Anybody DB Drag?

[AccordEpicenter]

Any of you guys DB drag or compete in contests like it?

[pimp86LX]

yeah i pulled a 100db with my wall-mart setup, i just wanted to see what an $750 system could do. not bad in my opinion.

I lost major points for my setup, in fact they laughed, but we were all having a good time, us amature class people i mean. There were some people there that were just way to into it. like 3000+watts etc. etc. I just got something that does a decent job without the big $$.


peace :pimp:

[kennyaccordlxi]

go to hhgreg, bestbuy, circuit city, these stores usually have good deals on Stereo equipment that most people buy: like Lighting Audio, Rockford, MTX, PolkAudio, Bazooka, Sony Xplod, and Pioneer to name a few. Wally`s World (Wal-mart) carries sony and pioneer. You can get a decent banging system without spending too much just got to shop around and look.

[loco87]

i did it once. i had a 84 s-10 ex-cab with 4 lanzar 12's and 2 hifonics 1000 watt mono amps, a 5 farad cap a high output alt. i hit 164.7 db. it was ok i guess

[pimp86LX]

164 is thumpin man, u did more than ok

[89accordlxi]

Originally posted by AccordEpicenter
Any of you guys DB drag or compete in contests like it?

Yeah, I have entered a few local contests. I placed 2nd in one I entered 2 summers ago. I hit a 140.6db with one 12" Infinity. Then last summer, I hit 141.7db, but was only good enough for 4th place. I used a 1.75 cu. in. ported box and an MTX 400W amp. I am waiting till next summer to buy a 600W amp and see what difference that will make. Considering the guy who won last summer was running 1200W with one of those square 12" kickers. I think he hit like a 145-146db.

That's all I have to say

Peace out..

[dXsquared]

i know that with my sweet system and walmart subs and amp i hit 112 db. i was using a 300 watt amp and two tens in a 3.5cube ported box... they hit low and loud and i was impressed... then i switch to my JBL's and the 1800 watt Legacy amp and hit 140+ i havent been able to find my Iasca scoresheet, but i know that the walmart subs and amps are ok for the price... u just need to set up the right box.

Travis

[87DXHatch]

I'm planning on starting doing IASCA next year... I'm planning on getting an Adire Brahma 15" and an Adire Revolution 1500 watt amp... fiberglassing a box in my spare tire well and maybe doing a plexi baffle board (my dad runs a hockey rink :D). Then fiberglassing some kicks and throwing in some Focals (Or something else reeeal nice, if I don't like the sound of Focals).

I've maxed out with ease a Radioshack Db meter (126+db) with an oldskool Eclipse 12" in 2.25ft^3 tuned to 30 hz. receiving 220 watts... then I borrowed my friends 500 watt Bazooka amp (Low quality, but makes rated power) and it was a LOT louder... loud enough to hurt your ears pretty bad.

[dXsquared]

how much was the radio shak meter? does it work ok?
do u have a part number?
Travis

[89accordlxi]

Radio shack has only 2 models, a digital one and an analog one. Remember that these are only good up to 126db. Actually, I think the digital one is only good to 120db. They do work alright, but I don't think they are very accurate past the 120db range due to the fact that the mics that are used in them are not very precise compared to the heavy duty mics used in professional db meters..
I've had my system cranked and the meter would only show 123-124, but in reality I was hitting 140+
For a reference tool, I say it works pretty good. But for accuracy, real professional grade db meters cost a minimum of $600

That's my $.02

Peace out

[AccordEpicenter]

yeah ive been real impressed with the Adire subs, they just cost sooo much but their excursion is just scary. I was thinking about actually getting a pair of the 15s cuz their loud and sq oriented too

[Y3G]

i hit 145.7db's with my car
the next week i suffered from a major trunk leak!

wow there is more to this board than off-topic SICK

[87DXHatch]

I wouldn't say Adire's subs are expensive at all, when you compare them to how well they perform.

Shiva = $125 = performance equivalent to Boston Acoustics Pro 12 which is $300.

Brahma 12 = $350 = performance equivalent to Jl's 12W7 which is $600-700.

[DigitaLuminescence]

Where can you get Adire Subs/Amps? Sounds interesting... never heard of them.

What IS the excursion for these subs? (Xmax, right?)

[AccordEpicenter]

umm i think its www.adireaudio.com not sure tho, and their shiva and brahma series subs have insane xmax, somthing like 28mm linear xmax.... my old mtx subs had 8mm i think.

[87DXHatch]

You got it right, www.adireaudio.com You can also get them from www.ampmanaudio.com too.

I convinced my friend to buy 2 Shivas... now he has nearly the loudest system in town. 2 Shiva's getting over 1000 watts split between them = insane loudness, and still unbelievable sound quality. And it only cost him $250 for the subs...

The Brahma has about 28 mm of Xmax... the Shiva is closer to 18 mm (I think).

Also check out www.edesignaudio.com
They make awesome awesome subs too. I just ordered an E12k from them yesterday for my friend who I am building a system for.

[89bumblethumper]

Originally posted by loco87
i did it once. i had a 84 s-10 ex-cab with 4 lanzar 12's and 2 hifonics 1000 watt mono amps, a 5 farad cap a high output alt. i hit 164.7 db. it was ok i guess


REALLY....164.7??? with results like that you should be going PRO...since pro's go around 155-170...last i heard the record was in the middle 170's.

http://www.termpro.com/asp/worldrecords2.asp

With your class you would pull 1st everytime...I believe that you would be in classes Street 1-2 or Street 3-4

maybe ill see your car there some day.

[AccordEpicenter]

Yeah thats what i was thinking, i mean you hit 164.7 with only 4 12s and 2 Hifonics amps? Thats hard to do. Most people with that kind of set up only hit mid 150s. You should be damn proud. With 1/2 the power you had and half the subs you did i only hit a 145.6, which is loud but 164 would prolly be at or near world record level in db drag 3-4

[smittys87dx]

i have 2 12's and 2 amps one per sub and i hit 152db i have 2 kenwood 600 watt amps and 2 power acoustik fubr series 12's

[87DXHatch]

I GOTTA call BS on that 164. 164 db is RIDICULOUSLY loud. You either need a BUNCH of power or a BUNCH of woofers, or a very well designed box, or all of the above.

The guy said he did it once... if you do it ONCE and hit those numbers... things are wrong... I know people that compete, and have a very nice systems (not Lanzar :rolleyes:) and struggle to break 155.

Sorry, but I don't believe that.

[pimp86LX]

I agree. no flame war intended.

[goldyaccord]

http://www.ampmanaudio.com/products/details.asp?id=911
i'll take one of these....

Man, I never heard of these brands. Thanks for the info!

[AccordEpicenter]

who knows, the mics can be WAY off at times... And btw i did know a guy with 4 12s sealed (lanzar DC pros) and he hit 154 somthing with less power than that, which is pretty good.

[87DXHatch]

154 I can believe... 154 is realistic with that many woofers, and less than 2000 watts. 164, on the other hand, is totally unrealistic for that many woofers and 2000 watts.

It was only a few years ago when 165 was the world record... and it took massive amounts of woofers and watts to hit that.

goldyaccord:
That Brahma 12" is an absolutely amazing sub. It has a QTC of .707 in about a 1 cubic foot box, which means it plays near perfectly (perfect blend of loudness and transient response) in a tiny box! They get unbelievably loud and are unbelievably good at reproducing music. As good, if not better (depends on the install) as a JL 12W7... for $300 or so dollars cheaper.

[goldyaccord]

Originally posted by 87DXHatch
154 I can believe... 154 is realistic with that many woofers, and less than 2000 watts. 164, on the other hand, is totally unrealistic for that many woofers and 2000 watts.

It was only a few years ago when 165 was the world record... and it took massive amounts of woofers and watts to hit that.

goldyaccord:
That Brahma 12" is an absolutely amazing sub. It has a QTC of .707 in about a 1 cubic foot box, which means it plays near perfectly (perfect blend of loudness and transient response) in a tiny box! They get unbelievably loud and are unbelievably good at reproducing music. As good, if not better (depends on the install) as a JL 12W7... for $300 or so dollars cheaper.

I know what your sayin. Afew years ago I had a JL 10 W6. It hit clean.

One of the reasons i'm going go with those brands. I want some quality equipment in the jaguar.

The Jaguar's Stock stereo is produced by Alpine. They are stock with 4 speakers with seperate tweeters. and a 6 cd Changer, Also produced by Alpine.

I do know that I'm Going to go with a high end Alpine unit. As for the rest of the speakers. I'm not sure what I'll do. I was goin to do the Kappa series but then when I ran into you and the sites. I changed my mind. I want quality stuff.

Could you point me in the right direction as for component sets and some amps? as for the subs. I'll get those Brahma's.

[87DXHatch]

Sure thing Goldyaccord, (I never actually subscribed to this thread, thanks for the heads up in the PM ;))

You said you had a 10W6 a few years ago? The equivalent to that (but better) in the subs I listed is the Elemental Designs E12k or E10k. It's $130 and it's comparable to the W6v2 in about every way. The Brahma's, on the other hand, are about twice as nice as the E12k. :D They will be so loud and clean... I can't wait till spring when I'll be getting one.

Now on to components and amps:

Do you have access to a local higher-end audio shop in your town? Where you could audition some of the better components? Because these are really subjective to individual tastes. You could also try buying from Ampman as I believe they have a good return policy, I believe, so you could test some before you buy them.

Here are some component sets to look into: JL XR's, Focal Utopia (or polyglass, the Utopia's are pretty expensive), CDT Eurosports (or one of the other CDT lines, the Euro's are expensive), Adire Kodas (These are supposed to be absolutely amazing), Rainbow (that's the brand, they have a number of different lines, supposed to be real nice). That's about all I can think of right now... check those out if you can.

As for amps:
Amps really do not make nearly as big of a difference as the speakers themselves do. Back in the day, amps would make a big difference because so many companies made crap, but nowadays nearly everyone makes amps clean, so the differences between amps are very subtle.

You will probably want to run between 50 and 150 watts to each of your front speakers.

Here are some amps to look into for your front speakers:
US acoustics, Monitor-1 (ever heard of Arc audio? They make Monitor-1 amps, and the Monitor-1 amps are actually BETTER than Arc amps, but cheaper! I had a Monitor-1 in my car, and it sounded very nice. Ampman is having a sale on them right now. The only downside to them is no onboard crossover, so to use them on subs you need a crossover of some sort.), hifonics, cadence, Phoenix Gold, rockford (overpriced, but good... don't buy Rockford unless you get an outstanding deal on one)...

Amps really don't make a huge difference, just go with one that has the features you want, and puts out the power you need or want. You want to stay away from the cheapo brands like Pyramid, Legacy, Rockwood, Roadgear, etc, etc...

That's all I can think of right now, any other questions, post 'em or PM me.

[goldyaccord]

My most recent system did consist of a alpine unit, 6 1/2 3ways, no amp goin to them. I had the new RF 360 punch pushing two He2's. I wired the subs to read 2 ohms so i could get 500 watts.

when u said that RF is good but overpriced, I got lucky. There was a shop in town, I had spoke with the owner and he said that he goes and buys all the stuff from other shops that are goin out of business Thus, was able to hook me up with an amp for mad cheap. I got the amp for 150 bucks. then the subs, they were on closeout. got both for 99. :D

I know I'm set on a Clarion or alpine unit.

I live in phoenix so, I should be able to find some shops that carry those brands. I looked at the rainbow's, and CDT's. I like them both. Just need to listen to them.

I'll give you a hollar if i need some more info.

Thanks!

[joshuabrack99]

well- if you plan to compete look to get 2 subs hitting somewhere in the high 140's atleast- otherwise you will get slauterd- these comps are serious-but lots of fun also-I have been to many and competed in many along with the usac finals in kansas city- good luck with your tunes- remember-it's not so much your subs-it's the enclosure and amp that do the part- also look into rules and guidelines to see what class and division you would like to partake in

[n88accordLX-i]

Originally posted by smittys87dx
i have 2 12's and 2 amps one per sub and i hit 152db i have 2 kenwood 600 watt amps and 2 power acoustik fubr series 12's

This is a nice bullshit comment too, haha take the mic out of the trunk and stick it down on the floor of the passenger side front seat :lol

[n88accordLX-i]

oh and for the record i hit 143.8 with 2 Digital design 3512's(1st ones made) and a memphis 1000d in a 5.5cuft box tuned to 22hz with 2 4" ports :lol .. and then constant 148's with the same setup in a 5.5cuft box with 75sqin of port tuned to 45hz...too bad i didnt have anyone hold my trunk still, coulda boosted my spl a tad

[AccordEpicenter]

yeah i dont have enough port area, thats what killed me, i hit a 145.6 on only a 6x4 x10.5 inches deep port, and i should have had somthing about 3-4 times that port area. It was also tuned to like 32-33hz, not great for spl comps but the lower freq makes everybody think im loudest.

[n88accordLX-i]

i miss my old 22hz box, it was incredibly loud when you played the lows, it would play 20hz like a champ and rattle your eyeballs, almost like a giant vibrator, you had to expeirience it to know what i ment :super:

[SMITHACCORD*&]

I had A box that was fit to the size of my Honda civic(90) Trunk and i had one 12. The box was a wave box and it had a 1400 watt sony amp. It hit at 182 db

[87DXHatch]

It hit at 182

Ohhhhhhhhh, so you're telling me that you hit a good 4-5 db than the world record, as well as higher than any mic can currently read?

Good job!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[loco87]

the 164.7 i hit in my s-10 was loud. i made the box, i wired everything and i did it right. ive been making boxes and installing for a while, but i never competed, and when i did, thats what i got. now, it's not my fault if the official didnt nowwhat he was doing or didnt have it in the right spot. im not gonna argue, nor am i gonna go and buy another truck and do it all over just to prove someone wrong. live with it. you also gotta look at what class youre competing in.

[n88accordLX-i]

Originally posted by loco87
the 164.7 i hit in my s-10 was loud. i made the box, i wired everything and i did it right. ive been making boxes and installing for a while, but i never competed, and when i did, thats what i got. now, it's not my fault if the official didnt nowwhat he was doing or didnt have it in the right spot. im not gonna argue, nor am i gonna go and buy another truck and do it all over just to prove someone wrong. live with it. you also gotta look at what class youre competing in.

:rolleyes: ... i hit 197.6 db in my accord i used to have with 4 pyramid Hyper pros(THE FAT BOY STYLE WITH THE HUGE SURROUND, BECAUSE BIGGER IS BETTER!!!! )
and a jensen 1 million watt 8 channel amp , i had the subs in a 1cuft sealed box(TOTAL SIZE) it pounded, but i wired everything my self and have built speaker boxes before they were even invented, but its not my fault the official put the mic up his butt and farted, i got 197.6 db weather you like it or not, and you also have to look at what class your competing in, i was in dbdrag street 1-2, with 4 subs and a wall with 1,000,000 watts! :lol

[87DXHatch]

:lol ouch... zing!

[87DXHatch]

:lol ouch... zing!

[kicker1_solo]

Originally posted by pimp86LX
There were some people there that were just way to into it. like 3000+watts etc. My prelude had 5,500 watts total. :D

[87DXHatch]

I'm curious to know what you had... DD? Earthquake amps? Tell us!

:D

(damn... in a Prelude?! That would have been so pimp...)

[SMITHACCORD*&]

I had a full box in my civic. It was wave with 1 pioneer comp sub. With 1400 watts of power. Never db dragged. But with the radioshack meter showed i was up around 160. Wave boxes are perfect.

[AccordEpicenter]

radioshack meters cant meter that high, the most they can meter is to 134 i believe, and with 1400 watts of power you BETTER be able to peg the meter

[87DXHatch]

1 pioneer sub + 1400 watts = 160 db if you are Nate Munson. For the normal person, it means you are a fibber :D

BTW... what the hell is a "wave" box?? I have never heard of such a box... and I've done a hella lot amount of car audio research... are you talking about a transmission line box?

[AccordEpicenter]

its gotta be