Wilwood brake install

[im_the_snoman]

So i picked up these wilwood universal brakes and im looking for a guy to make me a bracket for them. I will pay the money to send the brakes, have them cad designed then cnc cut. Then ill sell the brackets for the material cost. Btw these wilwoods can be had for about 400bucks new. If you have an extra set of hubs and the know how then i would appreciate your help.
Obviously i need someone quick and trustworthy, dont want someone running off with my brakes or trashing them
http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo163/transworld12008/Aerodeck/20150323_093133_zpsag3bcsww.jpg (http://s372.photobucket.com/user/transworld12008/media/Aerodeck/20150323_093133_zpsag3bcsww.jpg.html)
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[cygnus x-1]

I don't have any Accord knuckles but I might still be able to help you with this if you can give me some more information. I would need to know the following:

What year/model car?
What is the model number for those calipers? (or which ones are they?)
What rotors are you intending to use?


My day job is mechanical design and machining, but I've also made a few parts for 3g Accords and 2g Preludes, so I can definitely do this.

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[MessyHonda]

Fastbrakes.com

They sale kits for our cars. They might be able to sell you just the bracket for the calipers. Good luck and please keep us updated with pics.

[im_the_snoman]

The car is a '86 Honda Accord Aerodeck.
Wilwood 120-9720
And im looking to use whatever rotors work.
Need to clear 15x8 +20 work equips. I can use a small spacer if absolutely necessary.

[Oldblueaccord]

The car is a '86 Honda Accord Aerodeck.
Wilwood 120-9720
And im looking to use whatever rotors work.
Need to clear 15x8 +20 work equips. I can use a small spacer if absolutely necessary.



Wilwood 120-9720 Brake Caliper-NDP, 3.50" mt. (http://www.roushyatesparts.com/wilwood-brake-caliper-p/wil-120-9720.htm)

Caliper Material: Aluminum
Caliper Color: Black
Caliper Finish: Black Anodize
Weight: 4.1 lbs
Number Of Pistons: 4
Total Piston Area: 1.58"
Piston 1 Bore: 1"
Piston 2 Bore: 1"
Piston 3 Bore:
Piston Material: Stainless
Maximum Rotor Width: 0.81"
Minimum Rotor Width: 0.75"
Maximum Rotor Diameter: 12.72"
Minimum Rotor Diameter: 11.75"
Mount Type: Lug
Mount Side: Universal
Mount Center: 3.5"
Mount Hole Size: 0.45"
Mount Height: 2.89"
Inlet Thread Size


Might be doable with a 15" rim.

I run the Acura Type R caliper and Rotor its 11.1". I think with that caliper low profile could look at the Honda 11.8" rotors. Pretty popular size.

[im_the_snoman]

Id prefer to stay with a redrilled type r caliper. How fast can we get this started? Id like to get this done as fast as possible

[cygnus x-1]

Id prefer to stay with a redrilled type r caliper. How fast can we get this started? Id like to get this done as fast as possible


I had forgotten about Fasbrakes, and it looks like they've increased their offerings since I last looked at their site. They might very well have something that will work for you off the shelf, so I would say contact them first and see what they can do. If they can't help then let me know and I'll look into it.

WWW.Fastbrakes.com (http://www.fastbrakes.com/)


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[im_the_snoman]

I had forgotten about Fasbrakes, and it looks like they've increased their offerings since I last looked at their site. They might very well have something that will work for you off the shelf, so I would say contact them first and see what they can do. If they can't help then let me know and I'll look into it.

WWW.Fastbrakes.com (http://www.fastbrakes.com/)


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They dont seem to have anything for 3rd gen accords

[2ndGenGuy]

I thought Integra brakes were a bolt on upgrade for the 3g? Wilwood makes a $450-500 kit that come with rotors, brackets and calipers for the DA Integra. Or maybe that's just the 88-89 LXi that it bolts on to...

[Oldblueaccord]

I thought Integra brakes were a bolt on upgrade for the 3g? Wilwood makes a $450-500 kit that come with rotors, brackets and calipers for the DA Integra. Or maybe that's just the 88-89 LXi that it bolts on to...

Quick answer is no.

My understanding and very,very weak memory is the Integras are 10.3" rotors like ours but offsets etc means most of the parts are not interchangeable. The break pads might be the same part number as the Lxi brakes.

The Acura Integra Type R rotor is 11.1 inches and the brake pad FSI number is D503. Different animal but close enough for a small(thin) spacer on the bracket mounting to be able to mount them to our Lxi cars. Rotors must be redrilled or purchased redrilled to the 4x100mm pattern.

Brian at Fastbrakes has some nice kits and has great knowledge so he is the best bet for off the shelf parts. He may need his memory prompted a bit as to what our set up is.

I usually buy his redrilled rotors but this time around I bough a set of 5 lug EBC rotors and am going to try and redrill them myself just to see if its doable at home. I don't think there is any money savings other than I am trying to stay away from Chinese rotors.

[Oldblueaccord]

Wilwood 120-9720 Brake Caliper-NDP, 3.50" mt. (http://www.roushyatesparts.com/wilwood-brake-caliper-p/wil-120-9720.htm)

Caliper Material: Aluminum
Caliper Color: Black
Caliper Finish: Black Anodize
Weight: 4.1 lbs
Number Of Pistons: 4
Total Piston Area: 1.58"
Piston 1 Bore: 1"
Piston 2 Bore: 1"
Piston 3 Bore:
Piston Material: Stainless
Maximum Rotor Width: 0.81"
Minimum Rotor Width: 0.75"
Maximum Rotor Diameter: 12.72"
Minimum Rotor Diameter: 11.75"
Mount Type: Lug
Mount Side: Universal
Mount Center: 3.5"
Mount Hole Size: 0.45"
Mount Height: 2.89"
Inlet Thread Size


Might be doable with a 15" rim.

I run the Acura Type R caliper and Rotor its 11.1". I think with that caliper low profile could look at the Honda 11.8" rotors. Pretty popular size.

Just to clarify those caliper list a MINIMUM rotor size of 11.75". I think you will have to find a rotor that matches the calipers. That's why I suggested looking at the 11.8" Honda rotor.

I do not think they will work with the stock 10.3" rotor.

[cygnus x-1]

They dont seem to have anything for 3rd gen accords


They do have a few listings for the 3g Accords on the website but you have to dig, and I'm not sure if they have a listing for exactly what you want. Really you'll need to call them and explain what you have and want to do.


Here's a complete kit they have for 3g Accords:

1986-1989 Accord 12.2" 4 piston big brake kit (http://www.fastbrakes.com/product_p/3g%20accord%20140%206163.htm)

It uses different calipers and 12.2" rotors, which I'm not sure will fit a 15" wheel. But the brackets and rotors with this kit might work with your calipers.


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[Oldblueaccord]

1986-1989 Accord 11" slotted/drilled big brake kit (http://www.fastbrakes.com/product_p/fastbrakes%203g%20acc%2011%20inch%20kit.htm)

heres the 11" kit.

[MessyHonda]

You will need to run 1988-1989 fuel injected hubs that came with 10.3in rotors.

The ITR caliper will bolt on
Rotors 11.1in you will need 1989 Acura Legend 4x114 Re-Drilled to 4x100

since you have 1986 you will need to upgrade your whole front end. If you call Fastbreaks.com they have whole kits for you. I run 15 inch wheels with a 35+ offset and it fits just fine.


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[Oldblueaccord]

You will need to run 1988-1989 fuel injected hubs that came with 10.3in rotors.

The ITR caliper will bolt on
Rotors 11.1in you will need 1989 Acura Legend 4x114 Re-Drilled to 4x100

since you have 1986 you will need to upgrade your whole front end. If you call Fastbreaks.com they have whole kits for you. I run 15 inch wheels with a 35+ offset and it fits just fine.


6881

damn a bolt pattern for every occasion!

[cygnus x-1]

You will need to run 1988-1989 fuel injected hubs that came with 10.3in rotors.

The ITR caliper will bolt on
Rotors 11.1in you will need 1989 Acura Legend 4x114 Re-Drilled to 4x100

since you have 1986 you will need to upgrade your whole front end. If you call Fastbreaks.com they have whole kits for you. I run 15 inch wheels with a 35+ offset and it fits just fine.


http://www.3geez.com/forum/attachments/suspension-wheels-tires-brakes/6881-wilwood-brake-install-8d386da3-jpg



Good point about the smaller knuckles on all but the 88-89 LX-i. Does Fastbrakes know about that? Because their listings only state 86-89 Accords. They appear to support the smaller knuckles on the base model Civics so they at least know about the different knuckle sizes there.


The 11" kit also comes with calipers, which he already has, so that's maybe not the best option.


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[cygnus x-1]

Do you know what the inside diameter of your wheels is? The outside radius for those Wilwood calipers you have is 6.69 inches and you probably want at least 1/4" of clearance to the wheel. So that would put the inside diameter at 13.88 inches. This is with the minimum rotor size for those calipers.

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[Tdurr]

I like where this thread is going....

[MessyHonda]

Good point about the smaller knuckles on all but the 88-89 LX-i. Does Fastbrakes know about that? Because their listings only state 86-89 Accords. They appear to support the smaller knuckles on the base model Civics so they at least know about the different knuckle sizes there.


The 11" kit also comes with calipers, which he already has, so that's maybe not the best option.


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Not sure if they know that. I know LegendMaster was the one who worked with Fast brakes to make a bolt on kit. I just Pieced my kit together from the parts store.

[cygnus x-1]

So I've been dinking around with some numbers to see how these calipers might work, and from what I can tell so far it is rather unlikely that these will fit inside 15" wheels. The caliper bodies are just too thick, and even if you used the 11.1" Honda rotors (which are below the minimum Wilwood spec), it's still really close. The other problem is that these calipers are narrow mount, which means the mounting lugs are really long. This becomes an issue if you try to use a smaller rotor because the lugs are likely to be hitting the knuckle. The knuckle could probably be ground for clearance, but given the wheel fitment issue I think it's probably not worth the effort.

Bottom line is, if you really want to keep the 15" wheels, the best option is probably to put together your own kit with all Honda parts (or buy the kit from Fastbrakes).


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[im_the_snoman]

Thanks guys. Did some mocking up and they arent going to fit under my equips which im adamant about keeping. Guess ill be putting these on my camaro and buying their kit.

[cygnus x-1]

Thanks guys. Did some mocking up and they arent going to fit under my equips which im adamant about keeping. Guess ill be putting these on my camaro and buying their kit.


Yeah, that's what I figured.


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[MessyHonda]

keep us updated on your set up.