Wilwood Front Caliper Kit

[Dr_Snooz]

I'm creating a thread to talk about these:

https://wilwood.com/Images/BrakeKits/BrakeKit_Photos-XLarge/brake_kit_140-13029-R-xl.jpg

https://wilwood.com/BrakeKits/BrakeKitsProdFront?itemno=140-13029-R&year=1989&make=Honda&model=Accord&option=SEI

I've been very pleased with my Wilwood adjustable proportioning valve and these seem like a logical next step. They are $400 at Summit Racing and elsewhere. They are a bolt on replacement for LX-i's and SE-i's or any other car where you have done an LX-i front brake conversion. The only catch is that you'll need 15" rims minimum to clear them.

I called Wilwood today and spoke to a normal guy in an office in California. He spoke American English (ie: he wasn't in some foreign call center), was very knowledgeable and very nice. Wilwood is still making these calipers for our cars. More importantly, they are still making pads and spare parts so you can service them. They don't have any plans to stop making the parts and are still making parts for brakes they made 30 years ago. My guess is that even if they stopped making the parts, they would still get you what you needed if you belly-ached loud enough. Better yet, the pads are made on a standardized backing plate (7812), so you can buy pads from anyone who offers that backing plate in a compound you like. I admit that I haven't yet proved that other pads are available though.

The kit is fairly expensive and replacement pads are between $50-60. That's pricey when you figure you can get pads for as little as $6 on Rock Auto. Nevertheless, these won't perform like $6 pads and having brakes you can service yourself instead of relying on the dwindling stock of remans at the parts store is a comforting notion.

They don't offer rear calipers, sadly, so I'll have to stock up on remans before they disappear entirely.

Anyway, these might be a good option if you're in the market for good calipers, but don't want to go to the trouble of a big brake swap or anything.

[InAccordance]

You know, I always thought they all used the same size rotor but looking into it more, the DX and LX are in fact smaller. Well damn..
So are the hubs themselves on the LX-i larger or the stock calipers built differently?
DX/LX rotors are 242mm vs LX-i/SE-i being 262mm
Would seem odd for honda to build different sized knuckles vs just making the calipers slightly different.
I guess my question is; are the bolt holes that the caliper bolts to on the knuckle in a different place on the LX-i vs the LX

[InAccordance]

Digging even more...
This is the LX model front caliper:
https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=2038608&cc=1166969&jsn=424&jsn=424

This is the LX-i model front caliper:
https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=2042614&cc=1166969&jsn=426&jsn=426

Just eyballing the two you can tell the LX-i has the mounting holes lower vs the LX one from where the guide pins are. There is more distance between the mounting hole and the guide pin on the LX-i caliper. This leads me to think those Wilwoods would actually work on the LX, BUT you would have to switch to an LX-i rotor.

[Oldblueaccord]

Fixed calipers are a great up grade they have great pedal feel usually.

[carotman]

Great find!

Since it works on Civics, they will never really stop making them.

[Oldblueaccord]

https://www.fastbrakes.com/product_p/3g%20accord%20140%206163.htm

If this uses Dynapro's this be a good one. 12.2" rotor.

I think this kits all you Snooze...fit under 15" rims too. Not a big fan of the Stop Tech stuff but floating rotors 11.6 by 1.1". You aint warping those!

https://www.fastbrakes.com/product_p/integra-294-str42.htm

[InAccordance]

geebus those are expensive!

[conozo]

Cant imagine what these would feel like. I was able to lock all 4 tires on the highway going 60 the other day. This is with basically stock SEI brakes, original flex lines, and bigger grippier tires.

It is nice to see an actual upgrade although, instead of some cheap remanufactured old caliper.

[Oldblueaccord]

well its more about getting rid of heat after multiple hard uses. Snooze warps his rotors alot so hence I think larger rotors would help. Its the reason I went to larger 11.1" rotors I would warp the 10.3" yearly. it also opened up the brake pad selection to every performance brand made for the Integra Type R.

[InAccordance]

Apparently my pass side one is warped already. May just accelerate the idea of going for these. Would just have to go to an lxi rotor.
From reading the required wheel size, mine should fit just fine without spacers.

[rushell]

im running the 1995 legend gs sedan 2 piston calipers and they stop great

[Dr_Snooz]

https://www.fastbrakes.com/product_p/3g%20accord%20140%206163.htm

If this uses Dynapro's this be a good one. 12.2" rotor.

I think this kits all you Snooze...fit under 15" rims too. Not a big fan of the Stop Tech stuff but floating rotors 11.6 by 1.1". You aint warping those!

https://www.fastbrakes.com/product_p/integra-294-str42.htm

Dang. Good find! I'll definitely be checking those out. That top one shows Wilwood calipers, but comes with different calipers? And the bottom one is if I want to do the ITR brake upgrade? That's filthy sick expensive for brakes. Think I'd rather do the top one and have money left over to do the rears too.

[Oldblueaccord]

Dang. Good find! I'll definitely be checking those out. That top one shows Wilwood calipers, but comes with different calipers? And the bottom one is if I want to do the ITR brake upgrade? That's filthy sick expensive for brakes. Think I'd rather do the top one and have money left over to do the rears too.


The second one is all custom parts the rotor is a floating design,bolt on hub deal. The Stop tech calipers are stop techs own make. 1.1" thick rotor is very beefy and the whole trick goes under 15" rims for SCCA racing classes that spec 15" rims only. So the price reflects that. He has this with solid rotors as well to save money. This is probably the kit I would go with since Im still using 15" rims

The Wilwood Dynapro caliper is there lastest design that I know of compared to the Dynalights that are more of a base caliper. I have always heard the lights are not that stiff a design.

Either of these kits your pretty much limited to there style brake pads not the factory stock style you can get anywhere.

He also has some nice kits using the Acura RL caliper. Cheaper and you I would guess you can use off the shelf pads that match a factory stock caliper. I think its the Acura Rl 05 to 12. Not totally fimilar with this setup but a quick search these calipers are all over the internet and seem pretty cheap. they look like 4 piston.

The Type R rotor and caliper deal after all these years is still a pretty damn good upgrade as far as size,off the shelf parts, and brake pad choices for the D503 pad,and goes under a 15" rim. The only knock is the caliper is floating design not fixed.

One thing with fixed calipers is there can be xtra noise with the design especially on light braking around town. I have two factory Brembo setups and I dont really have a problem with noise alot is how you use them.

[ShiRen]

Does that fastbrakes kit come with anything else because it just says Wilwood pn 140-6163? If not then These will actually fit as well. Same brake disk, same vehicle fitment, I assume they all the calipers bolt up the same.
https://wilwood.com/BrakeKits/BrakeKitsProdFront?itemno=140-10735
I am a little confused though because They don't have a 4 piston Dynapro kit with the 160-5843 rotor and 170-6288 hat, only on the smaller rotors and the only hat mount rotors are for a radial mount kit.

[Oldblueaccord]

https://wilwood.com/BrakeKits/BrakeKitsProdFront?itemno=140-13029-R&year=1989&make=Honda&model=Accord&option=SEI

The one Snooze posted is just a caliper upgrade for Hondas in general.

The Fastbrake kits its better to call or write them. I dont think I see the Stop tech stuff on his sight.

[ShiRen]

https://wilwood.com/BrakeKits/BrakeKitsProdFront?itemno=140-13029-R&year=1989&make=Honda&model=Accord&option=SEI

The one Snooze posted is just a caliper upgrade for Hondas in general.

The Fastbrake kits its better to call or write them. I dont think I see the Stop tech stuff on his sight.

https://www.fastbrakes.com/product_p/early-accord-140-10735.htm
I emailed him but I actually found the kit for the 6 pots on his site. Oh well, I am curious if it takes anything else to install them. His price includes the line kit so its not like he is charging any more than Wilwood so I am not sure if he is manufacturing anything to make them go on.

Edit: He already emailed back. He changes the rotor hat in the kit, so the radial mount 4 pot Dynapros won't fit, but these hat mount kits do if you have the right parts. So the ones Snooz linked should be the only 4 pot Dynapros that fit and you are bound to the OE rotor. Actually really cool how many brake options we have... for the front.

[Js86gem]

This is what I'm talking about, I'm mainly doing suspension and brakes, so this is awesome to find!

[Dr_Snooz]

We aim to please!

[bscanlan]

They are quite fetching when installed
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[Dr_Snooz]

Oh yeah!

[Mlacount91]

Dr. Snooz,

Does Wilwood still make the prop valve you are using? Do you happen to know the part number?

Thanks!

[Oldblueaccord]

Dr. Snooz,

Does Wilwood still make the prop valve you are using? Do you happen to know the part number?

Thanks!

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/wil-260-11179?seid=srese1&gclid=CjwKCAjwloCSBhAeEiwA3hVo_Soc2q0M9SWoWTgt0QZA oIROYja549OU-bJQh1n0iRz7a-MoTkE_MxoC_YcQAvD_BwE

pretty sure its one like this.

Search under his name he did a write up on it.

[Dr_Snooz]

Yeah, that's the one. I backed off the rear bias a half-turn a couple months ago because the car's butt end kept trying to go through tight corners first when I came in too hot. Otherwise, the setup has been a dream. I can't recommend it enough, especially if you have rear discs.

Here's the writeup: Using the Wilwood Proportioning Valve (3geez.com) (https://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php/147646-Using-the-Wilwood-Proportioning-Valve?highlight=Wilwood)

[ShiRen]

I might have some input soon about the wilwood prop valve and one of their dual piston master cylinders after I finish pouting about having to fix rust holes under the rear seat.

[Mlacount91]

Thank you! Unfortunately I haven't been able to source the rear SEi discs yet. I had a line on one, paid for and everything, but they called back a few days later to say the car had been crushed. Worst case I will swap to an LXi brake set up.

[ShiRen]

The difference between the dx brakes and the lxi brakes is fairly marginal, most importantly they will cool better, but if you have rear drums then you will experience brake fade in the rear first. The prop valve is the most labor intensive part to install, but if you want to do that then I would look at a much better set of brakes for the front, like integra or porsche 911 calipers.

[Oldblueaccord]

They are quite fetching when installed
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Im curious how you will like them.

I dont know how fixed caliper and non ABS will work.

I know my newer cars the ABS is doing something all the time to keep the pads centered and mitigate pad kick back. My Jeep pulses the brakes when the wipers are on to keep the rotors cleaned off.

[bscanlan]

I guess we will see!


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[ShiRen]

They will probably just squeak like mad, but thats the charm of driving a car with fixed calipers. AFIK my type R does not use the abs unless it needs to... its brakes are noisy, but I kind of like it, unlike the squeak from your wifes crossover which has been riding on the wear indicators for 4 months.