Saab 9000 turbos, I've got three

[theBeline]

Ok, I can get three Saab 9000 turbos for 79 (working on 50) bucks a peice. A couple of things.

Is this a good deal?
Are they worth it?
What exactly are they good for?
Yada yada.
Does any one want one?
Should I get them?
Blah Blah, any thing else..

Thanks, not too familiar with turbos at the moment, if you could fill me in that would be great.
-MiKe-

[AccordEpicenter]

well im not sure, what kind of turbos are they?

[Justin86]

I want to get a T-25 and if these Saab turbo are similar I would be interested in getting one.

[theBeline]

Bah! You mean to tell me that out of everyone on this board no one knows what kind of turbos are in a saab 9000? I beleive they are similair. But I'm not sure.

[PhydeauX]

I'm pretty sure its a T3, don't quote me though.


5 sec or research and I'm quite confident that you can quote me. You didn't specify a year, but it looks like most if not all came with t3 turbos


andy

[carotman]

Then if it's a t3 I want one :)

[bobafett]

yeah post up at www.homemadeturbo.com and see... but i agree with the others, its prolly a t3. in which case thats one of the most common turbos to find on stock turboed cars, so if you got a manifold built for the t3 and used the saab turbo for now, there are LOTS of other t3s you could use if you wanted a different one. but if the turbo is in good shape even 100 is a good deal. :)

[Justin86]

I really want one now.:)

[theBeline]

hew guys, I'll see what I can do about pickin them real quick like, then I'll get back to you for a deal. What I can get for 79 (50 soon): Turbo, waste gate, BOV, intercooler, pipeing (like it'll help, we'll need to fad our own for our cars), whatever else I feel like picken out of 'em. I hate to be a dink, but if I sell them out, I will raise the price.

But think about it A20A has got what 97 horses? A B16A has got something like 160 right? Take however many horses your motors got and substitute it in for 'n' f(n)=1.54n and f(n) will give you aprox how many horses you'll get from 8psi.

For me, with a used B16A, at 100% efficiency, F(160)=1.54(160)=246hp

With a turbo you'll be lucky to get 75 or 80 percent efficiency, so change it to f(n)=1.43n and with a B16A you'll get f(n)=1.43(160)=228hp, still decent, considering the weight of our cars. Especialy mine... :-p

Almost forgot, with 80% efficiency, and A20A will pull f(98)=1.43(98)=140hp :huh:

Where in hell can I find a turbo manifold for a B16A? Where in hell can I find a turbo manifold for an A20A? Where in hell am I going to get the money for all the new tires?

[Justin86]

Doing the work yourself can save a lot of money. I plan on spending $500 for my turbo set up, but I would go up to $1000 if I had to. Also what be the numbers for 20psi insdead of 8psi.

[bobafett]

the numbers wont work with 500-1000 so dont worry about it. :)

[theBeline]

well lets see. assuming an engine runs off pressure already (14.7 psi, at sea level) so an A20A at 98hp runs off 14.7psi so f(98)=1(98)=98hp. If you double the psi to 29.4psi you would double the power, thus f(98)=2(98)=196hp. So by 14.7/14.7=1 and 29.4/14.7=2 and f(n)=1n is at 14.7psi and f(n)=2n is at double that,we see that the multiplier is a fraction of n/14.7 where 'n' is the psi provided by the turbo + atmospheric pressure.

The equations earlier were found this way:
with a turbo at 8psi (14.7 + 8)/14.7=1.52
so the equation would be f(n)=1.52n
this can also be found by (14.7/14.7)+(8/14.7)=1.52
if the turbo is running at 80% efficiency then it goes (14.7/14.7)+(8/14.7).8

all in all forget what I just said and use this equation to find approx hp from a turbo f(p,e,n)=(1+(p/14.7)e)n where 'p'p is psi provided by turbo, 'e' is turbo efficiency, and n is the motors NATURALY asperated horsepower.

please forgive my spelling.

[Justin86]

Well if you do everything "right" like getting all new parts there is no way it can be done for under $1000. But I plan on cutting all the corners and getting used parts and doining all the work my self to save money.

[theBeline]

ditto, and I understand the 'doing it right' part. But thats in the way or pipeing and reworking the engine to handle the boost. When you can get a good starter turbo for fifty or sixty bucks, and be in a place where you can upgrade freely in the future. Thats a good spot to be in. Seeing how all the 'doing it right' will cost you around 700, the motor 250, the turbo and crap 50, that a bangin deal!

[Justin86]

Your money Beline. I will run a low psi turbo set up with the stock A20 except fuel pump and injectors. When I have more $ I will upgrade all the internals to run a higher psi.

[theBeline]

in an A20? hope you plan on some serious internals, our stock engines stink. but about the low psi thing, the saab turbos, to the extent of my knowledge, run around a max of 10, more around 8 from what I've heard around here. Either way, like I said, it's a good starter turbo, seeing how the flange is exactly the same as a T03/04. And don't get me wrong, I'm not doing all that in one run. Over the course of two years.

[RedneckRicer]

if i remember correctly the ring landings of our stock pistons are rather weak and would probably crack under much more boost, let alone if your motor has 150k + miles, i'm about at 200k now, to get custom forged pistons from JE, 88TurboAccord said it was $800 for just that. on another note, if the stock pistons would be capable of running a low boost system, i'd love to be prooved wrong, even if it didn't add much power, the blow off valve would just be bad ass...

[RedneckRicer]

damn this and reposting the same thing twice, so this was uhhh the post to uhh say something like " yeah turbo's rock "

[AccordEpicenter]

yeah if you wanna be safe, it seems like 6-7 psi is the upper limit without compromising the pistons, and custom forged ones with rings are more like $650 from what i know... from wiseco

[theBeline]

what about in a B16? what do you think the upper limit is on those? where would I find low compression pistons? and where would I be able to get it bored? and where can I get the head polished and shmit?

[bobafett]

just go to a machine shop or performance shop. they should be able to order any parts you need and do the work on your block

btw its confirmed, the saab turbos are definetly the t3 style flange, so that makes things easy enough! :) (jeff @ homemade turbo confirmed this for meh)

[Justin86]

Yea I just want to run around 6psi or what ever will keep my internals safe until I can afford to upgrade them.

[theBeline]

ditto, I mean, how heavy are our cars? 6psi will rock them!

[Justin86]

So what is the deal on these turbos. Did you get them?

[theBeline]

oh, you want one?

[goldyaccord]

Originally posted by theBeline
oh, you want one?

:lol Ditto!

[Justin86]

Yes, yes, yes.

[theBeline]

hmmmm :) I'll think about it...

[theBeline]

just kidding, I can't be a dick for more then five or so minutes.

I'll look into getting them out of the cars. Right now I'm stuck on campus (boarding school). When I actualy have them in a crate in my barn, I'll PM you, ok? Chances are you can find a not-so-bad deal on ebay as we speak. If you can't, looks like ya'll have to wait a few weeks.

Hey, I've got to wait too so don't get all hissy on me ok? I want horsepower as well.

[Justin86]

Boarding school, man that sucks. Well thanks man I will be waiting. Got to go and do some more stuff on my car.:)

[theBeline]

I wish I could.

Ever get a million and one things spinning around in you head, the type of things that WILL NO GO AWAY untill you actualy do them, and you stuck in a hell hole, unable to even draw chalk out lines-- What I'm saying is.

I NEED TO GET OUT OF HERE AND GET MY HANDS ON A WRENCH AND SOME MONEY!!!

[od2681]

dude turbo for 79...i am so in....atleast i can say i have a turbo..hehe
seriously im in if they are 79 or less..that was $79 dollars or less right??

[theBeline]

your observent

[Justin86]

Yea I could use some of that money you were talking about and then some time to work. :D

[gr3k0sLaV]

T3 should do higher than 10. I think Justin turbo accord runs or was running a t3 on his setup and doing pretty high boost.

Second stock accord engine can handle some boost, but not much. Just make sure you dont run lean, and dont run it too high, esp without an intercooler.

Plus if it's got a lot of Km's on it well it won't last too long.

Anyone this thread is just getting annoying so many more have come before it.

Just end it know.

[bobafett]

i am prety sure justin is running t3/t4 hybrid. i dont htink a regular stock car t3 would like to run high boost. :)

[gr3k0sLaV]

i dont know. Though i've got 2 turbo's for sale atm, that's be ideal for an accord. TC06 which runs standard around 7 but will do 16+

one i have is for a FWD drive, car with no shaft play in it.

the other is for a rwd, and NEEDS A rebuild bad!

[theBeline]

these turbos are not T3's, if you read the post you would know that they only use the T3 flange, doen't mean they are T3's.

and I'm terribly sorry if I ruined you day for putting up a post like this, I'll remember to keep my mouth shut in the future.

[gr3k0sLaV]

huh? your in Brunswick? oh never mind, I keep thinking a suburb of Melbourne. You know, rated worlds no.1 most liveable city.

[theBeline]

huh? what is that supposed to mean?

[Justin86]

Just ignore it. The last turbo thread that was going around got a little ugly with the language and it got a lock put on it to prevent more replies when it hit 200 posts. So what is going to be the final price on these turbos with shipping?

[gr3k0sLaV]

Read it.

Brunswick in Maine isn't the only brunswick in the world.

[theBeline]

$90, plus shipping, when I get them

[theBeline]

how many posts does this have so far?

[Justin86]

When you get them, there is always a catch. Well do you have any idea how much shipping will be for me? Well so far we don't have to many posts, only 43 and 44 when I post this one. I ways from the big 200.

[bobafett]

i hate it when people try to sell shit they dont have and dont know if they can get.

u know if you had them i would have prolly bought one from u, but since youre throwing us in hoops i dont think its worth the headache. maybe you should try selling the turbos AFTER you have them in your possession.

[theBeline]

did I say I didn't know if I could get it? Am I selling it yet? I don't see any money. The damn things are mine, I just have to get over there and remove them. I'm just asking who may want them when I do get them, and it turned into a post just generaly about turbos in the process.

[bobafett]

well from the posts i have read it seemed like youre not really in control of the turbos or not. and why would you have money for them from us, unless we saw pics and knew you had them. :)

anyway i still may take a chance on one. although chances are they are in bad shape and will need a rebuild.... we'll see

[ryer_s]

a j-spec honda motor will be able to handle 8 lbs of boost. with intercooler, 450cc dsm injectors, if you tune the fuel right you can run 10lbs but that is pushing the limits of the motor. if you have over 110k miles on your motor i would only recomend 5 lbs. if the motor has been taken care of. you can go with je pistons but spr are just as good at throwing the heat off and they will run you about 400 bucks and eagle rods will cost you about 450 and they are good up to 700 hp. you dont need to beef the internals until 21 lbs of boost. that is when you should look at sleeves. that is only with the a20 because its cast iron. if its a normal honda motor, its going to be 15lbs. just getting your spark and fuel to keep up is the fun part. does you turbos have any cracks or shaft play. t3 is kinda of a big turbo. you will have a good about of spool time on it. you dont really need to go bigger then a 14b if you want 20 lbs of boost. and if you are doing low boost go with t-25. those have bad ass spool up. my friend was at full 8 lbs of boost at 2800 rpm.

[gr3k0sLaV]

fact :

turbo gen 3 accord = lotsa work, not a 5 min ricer bolt on!!

[theBeline]

good, I don't like those any ways

[RedneckRicer]

look everybody! sarcasm and free porn all in the same post! whatever shall we do??!??!

[theBeline]

free porn? where?!

listen, I'm droping this post untill I get them in my hands, so any one who's interested, hang tight a few weeks, I haven't forgotten about ye, I'm just takeing finals. :-( Then I get back to you, I've got your names.

[Justin86]

Don't worry about that guy. I don't know why he is still a member.

[RedneckRicer]

last time i checked the post there was a spam post about " free porn and blah blah blah click here! " thats why i said that....

[87AccordsterLx]

Wow you guys really need to do the homework on this one... Email Justin about his turbo setup because I remember him saying that it cost him upwards of $4,000 to do the compleate install. To me its just not worth it. Not to mention that you will HAVE to get custom mounts for a saab turbo to mount up to an Accord. Good luck but I really dont see this happening. Oh and what year are these turbos coming off of? The 1990 uses a Garett T25 turbo... here's a little excerpt.

"Continuing to develop turbocharged, passenger car engine technology, Saab engineers have fitted all 1990 Saab 9000 Turbos with a new, reduced inertia Garrett T25 turbocharger. This unit offers enhanced low speed engine response and overall performance, especially when mated to Saab's four-speed overdrive automatic transaxle. For 1990, all 9000 Turbos are rated at 165 hp at 5,500 rpm and 195 lbs.-ft. of torque at 3,000 rpm."

[Justin86]

Well I would rather have a T-25 turbo but they are some what hard to find here and what ever I can get for cheap is what I probably use. If you run low PSI you can run a turbo for much cheaper then $4,000. Justin is runing high PSI that is the reason for his higher figures.