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rubberburner
06-01-2003, 04:12 PM
Hey dudes, I just had this wild idea today, but let me know if u think I'm nuts. See, I always thought it'd be cool to supercharge my car. Problem is, I'm really cheap. I was thinking about vacuum cleaners today. So I took out my dad's 5.5 HP Sears vacuum, turned it on, and put my hand over the blower side. There's actually a good amount of force coming from the thing. You get my drift......... If I could hook the fan system from a vacuum up to a belt off the crank, I'd be happy with just 4 or 5 PSI. I'm gonna hook a pressure guage up to that vacuum, and see what it's really pushing. If it actually works, then I gotta figure out how to make the carb work under pressure. Let me know what you guys think.

James

A20A1
06-01-2003, 04:27 PM
It won't work that way... the boost you see will never be that high when the engine is running at high rpms. Cause you have to boost past the engines normal amount of air intake.

it may not even get 1 psi.

There is a neat carburetor supercharger Shepherd79 found... it's made by JUDSON (http://www.190slgroup.com/tech/judson/judson%20p1.htm)

bobafett
06-01-2003, 04:51 PM
well good luck with that. the $200-$400 you would spend on a vaccum would be better spent on NAWzWWZZZzz yo... :) then again it would be wiser to get the basic mods first, so that you actually get the most out of forced induction! :)

1988starter
06-01-2003, 06:23 PM
bolt it on and plug it in se what happens when you rev

rubberburner
06-01-2003, 06:48 PM
So ur thinking it won't push enough cfms.........hmmm. On the side of the vacuum it says "305 km/h." I'll hook it up to my intake in the garage and see what I can do.

A20A1
06-01-2003, 06:57 PM
you had better clean it out real good... you don't want all that dirt blowing into your intake.

A20A1
06-02-2003, 11:43 AM
Oh and you can't pressurise the stock air box... there are a tone of places that the air will seep out of.

rubberburner
06-02-2003, 05:50 PM
Well, I just hooked up the vacuum to my intake. It only increased the revs slightly. However, the air box was leaking like crazy, just like A20A1 said it would. So I'll seal it up, and give it a try. Wish me luck.

James

A20A1
03-22-2005, 02:41 PM
I found a CAMDEN SUPERCHARGER (http://www.camdensuperchargers.com/) that will work with carbs and is sized right for our motor. Only trouble is adapting it to our manifold and getting the pullies setup. After that start setting the ignition controls and up the fuel mix where needed on the weber or holley you are using.

Maybe for engine management the J&S SAFEGAURD (http://www.jandssafeguard.com/) should be nice... it seems more intuitive then simply retarding the timing on boost pressure like the MSD and others do.

AccordEpicenter
03-22-2005, 03:10 PM
why not try REAL forced induction... like a turbo?

A20A1
03-22-2005, 03:22 PM
It's not as easy to turbo with a carb unless you go draw thru.
SC if much simpler.

If he was running EFI then I'd suggest turbo.
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shepherd79
03-22-2005, 06:04 PM
it is alot easier to tune SC pull through setup than push through turbo setup.

A20A1
03-22-2005, 06:17 PM
I figure this would be an easy way for the SC to fit... plus I'd make the manifold tilt where needed so it could use the 38 weber kit like the 22r has.

First I'd need to lock the SC in place so the pullies line up and the 38 has clearance and the proper angle... then build the manifold to meet the SC.
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The A20 Pully rotates counter clockwise if you are facing the outside of the pully.

From what I gather the 22R rotates clockwise.

This isn't good news.

FyreDaug
04-28-2005, 09:25 AM
^^ I dont see why they would make the engine run in reverse. As its completely pointless lol. But either way, that looks like a nice setup.

racerx
04-28-2005, 10:04 AM
screw hood clearance. what you need is this:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y175/academyracer/3gblower.jpg

FyreDaug
04-28-2005, 10:42 AM
Photoshop? lol already have that thanks. :D

racerx
04-28-2005, 10:55 AM
yeah, i just threw that on there. :D

A20A1
04-28-2005, 03:15 PM
^^ I dont see why they would make the engine run in reverse. As its completely pointless lol. But either way, that looks like a nice setup.


Reverse? there is no such thing, the motor will spin the direction it was designed to.

The cranks are spinning the same way it's just our pully is on a different side so the pullies don't spin the same way in relation to the way you are facing. I need the SC pully on the other side of the shaft... that will let everything else stay the same. I asked about doing this in an e-mail to camden and they wanted me to give them a call instead of giving me what seemed to me a simple answer they should know off hand.

Acid X
04-28-2005, 05:38 PM
How much would doing somethign like this cost, anyway?

A20A1
04-28-2005, 09:21 PM
3k perhaps... I'm sure if I asked camden they would sell a unit with the pully on the opposite end. They do mostly RX-7 work now though... If you had infinite funds then you could probably give them a motor and they'll custom make what is needed.

Beyond the SC kit cost itself you should think about:
Engine management
upgraded fuel system
pistons that lower the compression ratio and can handle boost
a good amount of fabrication work

NXRacer
04-29-2005, 07:34 AM
i dont think you need engine management with a carb. Think about it. All the big blocks have been running SC carbs forever and they dont have ANY engine management.

but a vacuum doesnt put out nearly enough CFM's to do anything worthwhile.

shepherd79
04-29-2005, 07:59 AM
if you go carb supercharger setup, you don't need fuel management. it is all about the tunning the carb. the only management you will need is ignition. for that you can get Crane Hi-6 ignition with boost retard setup.

a few year ago, sport compact car had a the fastest Geo Metro. it was supercharged with holley carb on the side. the motor 1.3L. so if they can do it, we can do that kind of setup too. it is expensive to go under boost.

A20A1
04-30-2005, 10:42 AM
Ignition is a part of engine management... I listed the J&S unit above as an example of what I was looking for.

phrenology
05-09-2005, 04:23 PM
if you go carb supercharger setup, you don't need fuel management. it is all about the tunning the carb. the only management you will need is ignition. for that you can get Crane Hi-6 ignition with boost retard setup.

a few year ago, sport compact car had a the fastest Geo Metro. it was supercharged with holley carb on the side. the motor 1.3L. so if they can do it, we can do that kind of setup too. it is expensive to go under boost.

If you have the money and research tools you can do anything. The Italians were Supercharging Alfa's back in the early 1950's. A dual stage SC on a Weber carbed 1.5 Litre would be blasting out over 400 hp! Engine and forced induction technology has come along way but even back then they had engines that would knock you on your ass! :rockon:

g2driver
09-15-2005, 08:17 PM
Check these out, I dont know much about other honda engines, so i figured i'd post it here. The positioning looks similar to ours.

http://www.jacksonracing.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=33370
http://www.jacksonracing.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=33371

~Matt

A20A1
09-15-2005, 09:43 PM
Thats for EFI only.

racerx
09-17-2005, 11:28 PM
who paints an aluminum block black? ...for cryin out loud... lol

A20A1
09-18-2005, 01:18 AM
It could be a model engine, just to test fitting issues... usually they use model engines cause it's easier to take in and out of the car, since it's made out of lighweight materials not metal.

Or they could have painted it black to add contrast, so only the SC would stand out.

Zufer
09-18-2005, 11:52 AM
i mean i know fitment would be hard... and maybe impossible without a ton of modification. But why wouldn't it be possible to use the B16 supercharger and a holley 4 barrel with vacuum secondaries .... that away you would get really nice throttle response down low and as the supercharger spooled the vacuum secondaries would help to keep the mixture where it's suppose to be. To mount a holley to it wouldn't be that hard. You would just have to remove the throttle body and make/find a bracker and adapter.

A20A1
09-18-2005, 12:08 PM
It's the design of the JRC, the way the rotating bits compresses the intake air charge is not good for intake and fuel, it could detonate inside the supercharger*. I beleive that was close to the response I got from them.

Your best bet is to get a CAMDEN-SC (http://www.camdensuperchargers.com/) and ask them you install the pully on the opposite side of the supercharger* body, since our pullies/belts are on the wrong side, and you can't simply rotate the Supercharger* Body cause you'll run into problems with the pully spinning the wrong way.

89T
02-11-2012, 07:48 PM
I am bumping every old turbo thread. Is it running or gone.