K20a2

[accordlover88]

hmm i was thinkin about getting an engine swap but im not sure if im over or under-estimating the capabilties of ym 88 accord lx. I was thinkin about getting a K20A2 engine, for those of you who dont knoww hat that si, it is the same engine that is in a rsx type s, it is 200hp with a sqaure base, but it is one fo those new engines that everyone is just now starting to come up with mods for, and dont know much about it, and also im not sure if it would fit, but if you guys have any suggestions what would be a good ngine to put in my 88 accord lx?

[NXRacer]

:stick::mad: :mad: :mad:

One word: SEARCH

Thats why there is a search button on the forum homie.

:lol:

[pric]

I was told the K20C was the RSX typeS motor but anyways. Yes this motor will fit just like any other motor you can think of. As long as you got the CASH$$$$$$$$$ you can make any motor fit in the accord. This project will be harder and alot more expensive than the H22A. All K-series motor's spin in the opposite direction of other honda engines. The motor will be on the other side of the engine bay and will require some funky mounts and not to mention that the K20 is way more expensive than a H22A.

Good Luck.

[djsbon]

k20a3 is the type s engine. and yeah, GOOOD FUCKING LUCK doing so, buddy. i'll give you a dollar and mad props if you do it.

-grey.

[accordlover88]

not to be a smart ass or anything but the rsx type s engine is the K20A2, i have two hondatuning magazines that says it is a K20A2, but is the H22 eninge a good swap, havent read much about it so i wouldnt know

[bongobennie]

K20a2 is a dope ass motor, best one Honda makes, Ive been in the marke for one for six months, and the cheapest I found was 7 grand for the swap.... If you want the ultimate, and have the fab skills, it would be a dope install. Good luck!:super:

[accordlover88]

i definately agree

[doctor accord]

i think it a great idea but if does fit how you going to make it fit there are no engine for it to fit in an 88 accord

[doctor accord]

mounts

[89AcCOrDmike]

yep mounts r all u need!!!! ....wait why the type S???? my friend has a grayhound touring bus, i'm sure he'd let u pull that out and put it in!

[Dibbs]

:lol :lol :lol

That would be awesome!!!

Imagine some big ass Cummins Diesel engine. Get this...It comes with a TURBO too! Might need a little more than mounts though.......

Oh yeah!.....New Fuel Tank!! (For the Diesel)

[Dibbs]

Seriously guys, the i-VTEC swaps are way out of scope for our cars. When considering what you pay for the swap compared to the power you get out, it is much more cost effective to try to swap a b-series engine which is still gonna cost about 5-6 grand easy and that will yield anywhere from 160 to 200 hp again depending on how much you want to spend on what type of b-series motor. With the k-series I have no idea.....maybe $10k for 200 hp. That 3-4 grand can buy a lot more mods for your car. Personally, I would read some of the other posts on this board regarding the JDM B20A swap. It's the closest thing to a "drop-in" swap you can get. It yeilds 160 hp(non-vtec) and the swap are MUCH less than any b-series. The only problem is locating a true JDM B20A. Hope that helps, but read the B20A posts and ask some of the administrators of this board who have done the swap, they can give you much more info than me.

[3G Jester]

*shakes head* this is what happens when you give a kid a car after he sees F&F......

go for it buddy. if you got the cash...you should have just bought the RSX straight out. like pric said---with enuff $$$ you can put anything in any car. but run a search on the H22 and best bet is to just FORGET about the k swap. seriously. id be willing to bet you dont have that kinda cash to throw around.

if you DO wanna throw 30 k into a car........look up darkhonda89's ride. that shit placed in NOPI competitions.......

[K DASH]

K20A = Civic R/ JDM Integra
K20A2 = RSX Type-S
K20A3 = Base RSX/Civic Si

In any case, there's way too much work to get a K20 series engine in. Like everyone says, get a B series swap or an H22 if you really want it.

[od2681]

10,000 dollars for 200hp is pretty damn stupid if you consider it.....
But its cool if you want to be original i guess....you could probably get 200hp with half of that money...but its up to you..

[K DASH]

For that amount of money you could just buy a 5th gen lude.

[accordlover88]

hey so what if im just a kid and saw the f&f, im not going to do any crazy stuff with a little honda like this and put any crqazy stuff in there besides, i totally rethought that dumb k20a2 swap, ill do it on another car some other time. but yeah thanks everyone for your input, but even if i am just a kid, dont go and criticsize how much money you think i have.

[toastyghost]

got $10k sitting around for a k swap? i think they're making educated guesses (that it sounds like are probably true) based on what every other 10-post n00b on this site has posted about their big plans for the most original 3g swap idea ever. :) don't take it as harsh criticism, just try to understand.. people that have been on the board a while have heard it all, especially in the swap section.

[POS carb]

Originally posted by od2681
10,000 dollars for 200hp is pretty damn stupid if you consider it.....
But its cool if you want to be original i guess....you could probably get 200hp with half of that money...but its up to you..

$10k? Fuck the RSX, I'd turbo an Oddesy V6 :werd:

[toastyghost]

and get laughed at for driving a hooked up minivan :lol i don't care what your timeslips say, vans are gay

[ropponmatsu]

originally posted by toastyghost
....lol i don't care what your timeslips say, vans are gay
hehe

anyways man i wouldnt waste the money on a K20 (unless of course you have the money to WASTE) but seroiusly this is one time that i would have to agree with ppl in the forum, Its a waste of money becuase for less than half the amount of a K20a you could get a H22a type-s and they have 220hp, and with the extra money that you would... well just imagine what you could do. so basically i would avoid a K20a unless i gat a really really really good deal on them :)

[Oyvind Ryeng]

I have to chime in here. The point of swapping in the K20A is not to enjoy it stock. Stock it's after all ~160 WHP. The beauty of the K-series engines lies in their incredible response to tuning. Valvesprings, retainers, cams, light porting, ITB's, K-Pro, a good header and TUNING will give you 240 to the wheels easily (of course on pump gas). Even 280 WHP is attainable from the K20A engine; overboring, pistons, rods and possibly stroking (if you're brave) will get you there.

[88accordhb]

i thought it was 160 crank hp. but yah, try to find acessories for a b swap, it'd be mush better since the motors are cheaper and many have sucessfully done that swap.

[Oyvind Ryeng]

The base RSX has the same worthless K20A3 POS Civic Si change-eveything-because-it's-so-weak powerplant and outputs 160 BHP at the flywheel (~140 WHP). But the Type-S has the sturdy K20A2 that outputs 200 BHP. The JDM K20A (DC5 Integra-R and Accord Euro-R (?)) outputs 220 BHP (~180 WHP) if my memory serves me right (other cams, intake manifold fuel/ignition tables; possibly other differences (pistons?) also).

[2drSE-i]

ok, im surprised no1 has said it, but


if your willing to drop 10k and lots of work on an engine swap, more power to you

[88tandx]

If ya got the money, go for it. at least itll keep me amused for the next 3 or 4 months hearing about every problem youd run into. And like the nowegian chick said, the tuning possibilities are endless. This morning after 5 long weeks, ive finished completely restoring a rusted, beat up, theft ravaged ek hatch and the k20/k24 swap that i dropped in it. 220hp and 160lbs of low end torque is gunna be fkin killer. dont worry no CTR crap here all back to usdm specs cept for itr seats and si rims. in a few month after itbs, k pro, i/h/e, totally revamped valvetrain and rotating assembly w/ 11:1 compression im looking at about 250whp and close to 200lbs of torque by the end of the summer. This will make for a kick ass weekend racer while i continue my love affair with the flip up headlights.

K20(JDM ITR)= 220hp 145lbs of torque
K20a2(USDM RSX)= 200hp 140 lbs of torque
k20a3(USDM Civic Si)=160hp 130lbs of torque or in other words complete crap.

The biggest difference b/w the k20/k20a2 and the k20a3 in the whole valve train. Everything is different. The cams profiles are the most noticeable ones. Jump on the throttle in a RSX TYPE-S and when you enter VTEC land you'll notice a much bigger kickover and much more high end pull then with the Civic Si. Something to do with the much larger 3rd "race" lobe that is absent in the k20a3 which holds open the valves much longer in the higher rpms. The compression is also higher and the pistons and connecting rods are stronger.

Oh yea, :madflip: im 18. so much for kids not having any money and wanting to be all "F&F" Just cuz the kid only has ten posts doesnt make him any less knowledgable than anyone on this forum. Posts involve moving your fingers in coordinated directions. Swapping in a beast of a motor like a k20 involves patience, determination, and alot of fkin know-how and even more money. So if the kid thinks he's got it, why do you gotta bash him? Id rather he be trying something like this rather than putting on ebay lips and z-fenders and m3 mirros and carbon fiber in places its not supposed to go and giving my generation of tuners a bad name. Mad props to you man even if it never works out. :rockon:

-joe

[2drSE-i]

hey dude, chill, we've been all pretty friendly about this, we are just warning him of the practicality of the whole thing. Its not a great idea to spend ten thousand dollars on a 500 dollar car, in my opinion. But like i said, if youve got the money, the patience, and the love for the car, then go for it.

[88tandx]

Hey man i wasnt attacking anybody, im trying to keep it friendly too but also im trying to make a point about generalizations concerning my age group. Im right with you on this, if hes got the money and patience then why not encourage him to do it.

[Underdog]

You guys do know this thread is 2 years old...right?

[88tandx]

oh... :uh: hahahahaha

-joe

[2drSE-i]

nope sure didnt, but it came up again so i had to put in my 2 cents :-P

[Oyvind Ryeng]

Who cares how old it is. The wonderful stories of the adventures of Hondas miracle child, the K20A, deserves to be told as often as possible. Just to show everyone what wonderful machines they are.

[snoopyloopy]

i'd say that this swap isn't really worth the money in an ek or eg civic and they can have pretty much anything thrown in them. the only reason i can see anyone doing this is to say they have the first (and probably only) k-powered 3g.

[Suppatime]

I've seen JDM K20s go for $4500 with ECU and wiring...

Buy a car for $400, drop that motor in with custom mounts and axles (another $1000) and just say for $6000 you have a very fast, lightweight car.

Go to Toda, get their ITBs, lightweight flywheel, Stage 2 clutch, underdriven pullies (from Unorthodox Racing),titanium valve retainers, valve springs, cams and a port-and-polish and you've got a car that's making at least 200hp and 160 ft-lbs to the ground in a 2200lb car. Up the compression, put in race gas, get some sticky tires... figure this... for $10,000 total, and I mean totally modded, wouldn't you like to hand a man with a Porsche his balls back in the nice glass jar you put them in on the line?

[snoopyloopy]

what k20 are you talking about? because the old rsx-s engine makes 200, up to 210 in the new one. the jdm itr k20 makes 220. the civic si and the regular rsx have a 160 hp k20.

[Cant Stop]

hmmmm jdm b20a maybe one out near iwakuni
seems i was in several junkyards out there back in the 80's.
just find a marine stationed at mcas iwakuni and you could get lucky.