so 90-97 accord coilovers fit perfect?

[Rendon LX-i]

I planing put some coilovers soon like in month or 2 on my 86 Lx-i 4 door. and i see alot ppls saying on the here saying that the 90 and 97 coilovers fit perfect on are cars. has anyone put them on if so tell me and if there good. cuz i want some bad. WHen i bought the car the guy cut the springs and heated them. so i like MR.BONCE down there street.

help me out on info

[AZmike]

The bouncing is from insufficent damping. Different (similarly stiff) coilover will still leave you bouncing unless you also get stiffer shocks.

[Rendon LX-i]

but the 90-97 aacord coilovers will fit right.

[Rendon LX-i]

also somebody on here said that 88-89 and 88-85 civic coilovers will fit

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Originally posted by Rendon LX-i
but the 90-97 aacord coilovers will fit right.

Yes.

But you'll still have the bounce, likely worse. Would you want more bounce than now?

You went out of your way to mention it, so I'd think it matters to you.

[Rendon LX-i]

damn i didnt know it would make it worse. i tought it was gonna make it better. will shit i need something. cut springs is not cool. and when its heated to it even makes it worse. that shit could brake

[markmdz89hatch]

Jim, I thought that there was a catch to doing this. Don't you need a shorter spring if you use the coil-over system from a 4G? See, now I'm really interested, b/c if this is the case, i'll start looking into a true, full-bodied, coil-over system to install on the hatch.

Do tell, I'm muy interested.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Originally posted by markmdz89hatch
Jim, I thought that there was a catch to doing this. Don't you need a shorter spring if you use the coil-over system from a 4G? See, now I'm really interested, b/c if this is the case, i'll start looking into a true, full-bodied, coil-over system to install on the hatch.

Do tell, I'm muy interested.

No were definately not talking about full bodied, good old sleave type. No you can't run 4th gen sturts or 4th gen full bodied coilovers, struts are way to tall, even the "sport" versions that have shorter bodies are still to tall. Only thing I've seen on the 4th gen sleave type coilovers is when one member tried to drop drop is car to a rediculious drop, he couldn't get "dumped" as low as someone running GC's. Yet other guys running 4th gen coilovers don't have any issues, it was only one person and special circumstances that most members won't copy. If they do, I'd think they'd find a way around not being able to scrap the pavement if ya know what I mean.

Best hope for something different is for someone to pull a 1st gen teg or 88-91 civic struts and take all the many important measurements. I pulled a single front and single rear off a 94 civic last summer and ruled that car out, but the one's mentioned above still need to be checked out.

[NXRacer]

Coilovers will always bounce, thats just the nature of the beast.

Do 4th gen springs work? My g/f bought Sprint Springs and dumped her car 3" in the front and 3.5" in the back with springs using OEM struts and there is almost NO bounce. I'm gonna replace my springs with those if 4th gen springs work.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Originally posted by NXRacer
Coilovers will always bounce, thats just the nature of the beast.

Do 4th gen springs work? My g/f bought Sprint Springs and dumped her car 3" in the front and 3.5" in the back with springs using OEM struts and there is almost NO bounce. I'm gonna replace my springs with those if 4th gen springs work.

WRONG, coilovers on weak struts will always bounce. It has nothing to do with the fact that someone has coilovers that they'll always bounce. Bounce is ALWAYS the fault of weak struts.
My car has the same spring system that coilovers use, linear, I have no bounce,........ever. If I did I'd remove the struts and through them down the street as far as I could and make the factory replace them under warranty, don't settle for the inferior, get it right the first time.


NO YOU CANNOT USE 4th gen springs, only the 4th gen coilovers.

Adding stiffer lowering springs to stock struts is a known receipe for having bounce and control issue's. Anyone claiming that they are riding and driving great with almost no bounce really isn't looking to hard for it's faults. Fact is, if the suspension designer for that car let a suspension like that make it into production, I guarantee he would be fired for incompetance. I've driven on car's with stiffer springs on stock struts, the test drive was on really nice city main roads, yes it did ride with little bounce. But the moment I encountered bumps, it's true nature was revealed, lot's of nasty bounce. Any time a suspension ever has bounce, you also have less control and lower handling capabilities. Cure the bounce and you'll not only transform the ride quality, you'll also transform the cars ability to handle well. You may think if fine now, I guarantee if that car get's the proper sturts it will be night and day better. Do not settle for the way it is now, it's one thing if you don't care though, something different if you just don't know any better.

[NXRacer]

Originally posted by Jims 86LXI HB
WRONG, coilovers on weak struts will always bounce.

NO YOU CANNOT USE 4th gen springs, only the 4th gen coilovers.

Adding stiffer lowering springs to stock struts is a known receipe for having bounce and control issue's. Anyone claiming that they are riding and driving great with almost no bounce really isn't looking to hard for it's faults.

You're right about that. On a bouncy road or a bump, you can tell a difference with the springs. Around town and and curves they handle awesome. Besides I dont know anybody who lowers their car looks to do some rally racing! :D But in my experience with coilovers, even on a flat road all coilovers i've seen bounce a LOT.

That sucks that 4th gen springs wont work....i really like those sprints. What is the exact reason why they won't work? Is the spring base/top too wide to fit on the strut mounts on the 3G?

[markmdz89hatch]

I'm pretty sure that from what Jim was saying, that the springs themselves would be too tall. No, cutting them would not be a viable option either.

Most coilover systems that you see, or ride in, that are installed on daily drivers do bounce. That's not just b/c they're coil-overs. As Jim said, that's b/c they are not combined with the proper dampeners (struts or shocks). One thing Jim touched on is the Linear v. Progressive springs. Most "lowering springs" or just plaim ol' oem springs are progressive, while most if not all coil-over systems are linear.

What's this mean?
Progressive: The spring is softer on the "ends". Meaning, the spring gets harder and harder to compress as you compress it further.

Linear: (Please forgive the vulgarity.) It's balls-to-the-walls from start to finish. It's just as hard to compress this spring 1 inch as it is to compress it 5 inches.

Linear is used to help "take the slop" out of a car's handling.

Now, to this day I don't understand why this is the case, but not only are 90% of all coil-over systems out there harder then your average lowering spring.... ...but in many cases, the cheaper sets have the harder spring rates. Why is that odd? Well, b/c 90% of the dampeners are just the opposite. Confused? Me too. Why? If you get hard springs, you need heavier duty struts to work correctly with them.

The problem with all this, and where the misconception lies, is that people buy coil-overs, slap them on with stock shocks and convince themselves that they've got themselves a race car. And that all this bouncing, is just part of the feel of a racecar. NOPE. Those hard-ass springs or coil-overs will make your car feel like it's on rails, have no bounce at all, and allow you to predict and control your car much better. All that's needed, and the only fix for it, is better, heavier duty dampeners.

[Rendon LX-i]

ok will Dropzone 90-97 coilovers fit perfet on my car with out any trouble. cuz i want some or 90-93. let me know.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Dropzone makes 86-89 accord coilovers. Their coilovers are extreamly stiff, even koni sturts will have a hard time controlling them.

[NXRacer]

If the only reason the 4th gen springs won't fit is because they're 'too tall' I might just get them anyway and see how the are. Sprint Springs are pretty cheap ($160 for a set) and they drop like 3.5r and 3f. If they're not short enough for me i'll just cut em cause i dont care.

[Rendon LX-i]

yeah. just making sure that 90-97 fit. So your saying that DROPZONE is really still. how stiff are u talking about. i mean is it worse then heated cut springs cuz thats what i have and its boncy and at night i cant see shit cuz my lights just go up and down. lol

[86AccordLxi]

Heated springs aren't stiff, they're just bouncy....dropzones are stiff!

Alex

[Rendon LX-i]

so there pretty stiff. i still gonna get them. shit i need something. i rather have stiff then boncy

[bobafett]

stiff == bouncy unless you shell out 450 for konis. or 700 for revalved konis

soft == manageable by konis, and hardly managable by tokicos.

jim has said it all along and i have tried many different setups and hes pretty much right on...

[NXRacer]

Originally posted by Rendon LX-i
so there pretty stiff. i still gonna get them. shit i need something. i rather have stiff then boncy

better not aerospeed coilovers then. They're bouncy enough to shake your friggin teeth outa your head. At 100 bucks a set, they're not too expensive tho.

[wprocomp]

so tein 90-93 accord coilovers would work? sweet! only $800:rolleyes:

[Jims 86LXI HB]

No they won't work. As I said earlier in this thread, 4th gen springs, struts and full bodied coilovers, like teins will not work. ONLY 4TH GEN SLEAVE TYPE COILOVERS WILL WORK.


Here's a pic of what a sleave type coilove looks like.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

And here's a picture of a full bodied coilover.

[NXRacer]

Jims 86LXI HB - Just to clarify things.......i dont understand why the 4th gen springs wont fit. Are they too long? If they are just too long, will they fit on the strut? I dont care if they're too long cause i can just cut them. I'm just concerned if they will or will not fit on the strut. I might just try it with a stock spring and see what happens. But if you know that will save me some time.....

[goldyaccord]

Originally posted by NXRacer
Jims 86LXI HB - Just to clarify things.......i dont understand why the 4th gen springs wont fit. Are they too long? If they are just too long, will they fit on the strut? I dont care if they're too long cause i can just cut them. I'm just concerned if they will or will not fit on the strut. I might just try it with a stock spring and see what happens. But if you know that will save me some time.....

They fit but if you are expecting a huge drop.. nope. you'll have to cut the spring down some. I'd just get some Dropzone sleeves for the 86-89 accords. why bother with the 90-93's? :huh:

[NXRacer]

Personally I dont like coilovers. I'd rather have springs and if i have to cut them i dont really care.

Do you know how the dropzones hold up? Ive heard about a lot of different coilovers breaking after a while. Esp the sleeve and adjuster 'nuts'. The only ones i've heard that havent broken are the Skunk2's and i dont think they make them for our cars.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Originally posted by NXRacer
Jims 86LXI HB - Just to clarify things.......i dont understand why the 4th gen springs wont fit. Are they too long? If they are just too long, will they fit on the strut? I dont care if they're too long cause i can just cut them. I'm just concerned if they will or will not fit on the strut. I might just try it with a stock spring and see what happens. But if you know that will save me some time.....

2 reason's

1. yes their to long, cutting them will make them stiffer and harder for a given strut to control. Remember that as a lowering spring, it's already stiffer, cutting them will make them even stiffer.

2. after the 3rd gen accord, honda switched to a narrower spring for the rear. so your wider rear spring seats won't let the narrower springs sit on them.

[NXRacer]

I have a buddy who has a CNC machine who'll make me just about anything. I wonder if i could have him make seats for me for the back.......but now its kinda sounding like too much trouble to be worth it. Maybe i'll break down and just buy me some coilovers instead.......

heh heh or i could go really ghetto and heat up the bottom coil(s) and spread it out to fit my existing seat......... :super:

I think i'll first take a set of stock 4g springs and see exactly what all i need to do.

*edit* i've just had a revelation!!!
take a set of stock 4G springs, and have my friend machine me some adjusters and bingo......i have coilovers!!! heh heh now we're talking!! :lol

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Originally posted by NXRacer
I have a buddy who has a CNC machine who'll make me just about anything. I wonder if i could have him make seats for me for the back.......but now its kinda sounding like too much trouble to be worth it. Maybe i'll break down and just buy me some coilovers instead.......

heh heh or i could go really ghetto and heat up the bottom coil(s) and spread it out to fit my existing seat......... :super:

I think i'll first take a set of stock 4g springs and see exactly what all i need to do.

*edit* i've just had a revelation!!!
take a set of stock 4G springs, and have my friend machine me some adjusters and bingo......i have coilovers!!! heh heh now we're talking!! :lol

Why not just buy 3rd gen lowering spirngs?

Why do you need coilovers? Can't you meet your lowering needs with lowering springs? Lowering springs with their progressive spring design would be easier to live with vs coilovers, especially someone bend on running them with stock struts.

opmMotorsports make coilover conversion kits that you run out and buy 2.5" springs to use with. But you'd pretty much spend about the same buying Ground controls in the first place.

[NXRacer]

I wanna keep my car as low as it is (at least a 3" drop) and i havent found 3g lowering springs that go that low. Do you know of any that go that low?

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Oh kay, yeah coilovers is the only way to get that, no 3" drop springs exist. Man 3" is awfull low to not be running shortened strut bodies in the front, you'll bottom out the struts inside allot, that kills struts, not to mention the stress of the stiffer springs doing that to.

[NXRacer]

Yeah, you say that but i havent really noticed any damage happening. I drive over all kinds of roads all the time and it doesnt seem to me that its that bad. I guess i've never been able to compare stock struts with shortened ones so i dont have real experience either. I used to drive pretty fast out on curvy country roads and i didnt have a problem with handling. Bumps are pretty hard, but i just thought that was cause i was dumped and riding on 40 series tires.

[bc86]

So unless u spend $500 on Konis, no matter what u put in is gonna b bouncy. If u put in 4th gen drop coils, its gonna be bouncy, cuz there to tall?

[cruisinSLOWly]

cant you use a full bodied coilover from 88-90 civic for the fronts and the 90-93 accord for the rears and just replace the tophats with the stock top hats for a 3g????

[Tdurr]

^^ yes.

[Jobany]

So can i just buy some 90-97 accord coilover sleeves and slap em on my 86 accord dx ? Or naw ?

[Tdurr]

Yes, but be prepared for a shitty ride. You will probably hate yourself.