Horsepower

[BITESIZE]

O.K. I just looked at Pauls website and it said that the A20A3 (LX-i) engine is stock 120 hp. Is this true? It sounds a little too high, because I thought the SE-i came with 120 hp stock? Any thoughts are greatly appreciated. But if the A20A3 came with 120 stock hp, then most of us 3geez are shooting out probably 150 hp with our modifications, which is quite well for an older 4 banger.

[dXsquared]

120 yes... 150 no...maybe 135-140


Travis

[BITESIZE]

So, then the SE-i had to have come with maybe 130 hp. right?

Also, the A20A1 had 98 hp, so I take the Fuel injection is by far more powerful being ahead by 22 hp according to the specifications. All I can say is, I'm glad I don't have Carb!

[dXsquared]

umm..no
120
its just got other luxo things.. same engine as 88-89 LXI

Travis

[BITESIZE]

I knew that........Brain Fart..........

[HondaBoy]

86-89 carbed had 98hp. 86-87 FI had 110hp. 88-89 had 120hp. i drove an '88 LX-i, but it felt like it had less hp than my carbed engine. what the hell is with that?

[BITESIZE]

Must have needed a tune up.

[A20A1]

Dude the SE-I still had the A20A3 or A20A4 same as the LX-I's... the only difference is that the SE-I had leather inerior and other luxury accessories.

and 120 HP might be Crank HP and not Wheel HP

[HondaBoy]

or maybe this myth is true. the carbed engine feels like it has more power. thats wut ive been told a few times. and this is weird, that car sounds better than mine. so that led my to thinking its running better. the guy drives it all the time and its quiet like a new honda engine. anyway, mine needs a tune up. but, it runs pretty strong.

[BITESIZE]

The good thing about carb is it isn't controlled with the ecu I don't think. The FI is, which doesn't let the owner adjust shit as well as the carb. The ecu won't adjust a person's tinkering around with the engine, which makes carb better to some people.

[Neuspeed007]

when i had my 3g it was a carbourated car and i love it, when i punch i feel power, i feel like my car is sperated from most of the guys on the site because i actually am one that owns a carb and likes it.

[A20A1]

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[dXsquared]

umm.. i have a carb and i love it

Travis

[dXsquared]

i love how its never stoich.. always too rich or too lean.. i love how i smell like gas after i floor the car... i love how it makes a WOOSH sound when i floor it.. i love how i can adjust the idle mixture and the idle speed and how i dont have to reset my ECU all the time... I LOVE CARBS

[modu03]

the 86-89 lxi accord fuel injected all came with a stock rating of 119 horses...

my hatchback has a custom cool air intake and pace setter exhaust... I would estimate that I am getting around 140 horses, she runs a 15.5 quarter mile at 90 mph.

[A20A1]

Please feel free to read the board... the earlier 86 had only 110.

As for the other things in life... the lack of pain sensing nerves in the human ass seems to account for the large number of HP exaggerations when using the "Butt Dyno".


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I'm not a doctor so don't hold me too that. :rolleyes:

[modu03]

I'm not sure where your getting your info, but I know for a fact that all of the fuel injected lxi accord from 86-89 produce 119 stock horses...

maybe your thinking of a different type

and what makes you think I am exaggerating, an estimate is just an estimate, and according to the rating of the products I bought, they should be giving me at least an extra 20 horses... and the ratings i used were not the ratings from the company(let's face it companies lie), but from an outside source.

[dXsquared]

as if your trying to tell us that 119 HP was in the stock 1986-87 cars.. its not.. you have been here for 7 posts.. you cant argue with us.. if you run 15.5 your the nest driver ever!!!:rice:


Travis

[maxoutracer]

86 87 dx lx = 98hp
86 87 lxi = 112hp?

88 89 dx lx = 98hp
88 89 lxi sei = 120hp

88 89 accord did came with 120hp stock, that was alot of HP back in the days, lol... remember you will lose 15%-20% hp from the engine, tranny, axle then to the wheel.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Originally posted by modu03
I'm not sure where your getting your info, but I know for a fact that all of the fuel injected lxi accord from 86-89 produce 119 stock horses...


I think you know your wrong and your just playing games.

Game players don't survive for long on this board.

Fly straight our your going to clip your own wings.

Don't play innocent and wronged, this 119hp business and your 15.5 sec 1/4 mile fantasies reveal your game, a game we don't play.

Want to continue the 119lhp line, prove it, but that's a deal killer for you, cause you can't. Just like I can't prove all 4th gen's make 129hp.

[wprocomp]

the reason you feel so many differances in our cars is because..THEY ARE OLD>>>over time they are going to lose power...you can go and drive a carb car that has been well maintained and runs great...but you can take a F.I. car that has been neglected and it will run like crap...same goes for any car

[NXRacer]

I've read on a lot of websides that the LXi came with 122whp. I'm thinking that that is actually at the crank. I know hondaswap.com listed that spec, but i know that they are more wrong then right when stating specs.

My sister has a 2g accord and everytime i drove it it felt like it had more getupandgo and pulled harder then my 88 did. I dont think it would win in a drag against my car, but it felt like it.

[hondamanlxi]

hehe..... butt dyno:lol

[1988starter]

Originally posted by hondamanlxi
hehe..... butt dyno:lol

My butt dyno is very inaccurate I am told I alaways under estimate. But if I had to guess my cas has between 140-145 hp max

[rehv_Aerodeck86]

i'm lost.

as fas as i know :
A20A1/2 has 78Kw = 106Hp
86-87 A20A3/4 has 85Kw = 115hp
88-89 A20A3/4 has 92Kw = 125Hp

:S

[johndej]

"86 87 dx lx = 98hp
86 87 lxi = 112hp?

88 89 dx lx = 98hp
88 89 lxi sei = 120hp

88 89 accord did came with 120hp stock, that was alot of HP back in the days, lol... remember you will lose 15%-20% hp from the engine, tranny, axle then to the wheel."

thats perfectly stated but you forgot the euro B20"insert # here" w/ like 140 but those are pritty rare. this has been argued many times and thats what has come out of it. oh, and don't think that that is what you have now, our cars are at least 14 years old now and given that your prob lucky to have 95-100 at the wheels. go look at actually dyno charts and they will prove all of this. hell, i forget who it is, but someone on here has done a whole shit load of stuff to thier engine and now only have 140 something at the wheels (i forget who you are but i saw your thread w/ the dyno chart actually posted).

[BITESIZE]

Damn, I all I wanted to know is if my car, did in fact, have 120 stock hp. :)

[modu03]

hey dumb asses... get a fucking repair manual from the honda manufacturers (they run close to $100) and they will tell you that all fuel injected 86-89 accord lxi's came with 120 horses stock (at the crank)...

as for being a newb to your little forum... that means not shit as far as my knowledge of cars goes... and really, a 15.5 as my best quarter mile rating should not be all that amazing, it is possible that I drive better than you or anyone you know...(Jims 86LXI HB)

driving skills account for at least a half second in a quarter mile

by the way... think about this... all (fi) 86-89 lxi's have pretty much the exact same engine... so why would the hp rating be any different?

also... I know I said 119 hp before, I was thinking cubic inches for some reason... but it is still 120 horses!

[Osiris]

Originally posted by modu03
hey dumb asses... get a fucking repair manual from the honda manufacturers (they run close to $100) and they will tell you that all fuel injected 86-89 accord lxi's came with 120 horses stock (at the crank)...

as for being a newb to your little forum... that means not shit as far as my knowledge of cars goes... and really, a 15.5 as my best quarter mile rating should not be all that amazing, it is possible that I drive better than you or anyone you know...(Jims 86LXI HB)

driving skills account for at least a half second in a quarter mile

by the way... think about this... all (fi) 86-89 lxi's have pretty much the exact same engine... so why would the hp rating be any different?

also... I know I said 119 hp before, I was thinking cubic inches for some reason... but it is still 120 horses!

Watches too much TNN.:lol

[BITESIZE]

modu03

Pretty big words for a Newbie!!! Sounds like your a dumbass, you spent $100 for a repair manual, damn I got mine for $15.00.
And as for being on this forum, I'll bet nobody is going to be willing to help your pathetice ass.

[1988starter]

your right what would a little compression different exhaust manifold and intake manifold do to change HP sorry but you over paid for your repair manual and 15.5 no one believes that get your time slip and scan it and no it does not cound if you are counting out loud while accelerating

[BITESIZE]

A 15.5 sounds like some bull shit a brewing. P.S. I owned an 86 lxi and it wasn't as fast as my 89 lxi is. So the horsepower is different, becuase the engine is different. Just becuase the outside is the same, doesn't mean the guts are the same.

[G Man89]

Originally posted by modu03

by the way... think about this... all (fi) 86-89 lxi's have pretty much the exact same engine... so why would the hp rating be any different?


Yes they are the same engine; EXCEPT the intake manifold is different between the 86-87 models and the 88-89 models (If I remember right). That is why there is a difference in hp rating.

[BITESIZE]

Yep, you are right, they are different intake manifolds. More power with the newer manifolds because they are dual stage intakes. I think the 86 didn't come that way.

[1988starter]

88 and 89 also have a higher compression some of the vcume lines have been removed different ecu and different exhaust manifold.

[mjimenez]

I own an 86 lx-i and it has 110 hp stock,

[BITESIZE]

There are 3 fewer vaccuum lines from the 89 to 86, which go to the intake.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Originally posted by modu03

1. Hey dumb asses... get a fucking repair manual from the honda manufacturers (they run close to $100) and they will tell you that all fuel injected 86-89 accord lxi's came with 120 horses stock (at the crank)...

2. As for being a newb to your little forum... that means not shit as far as my knowledge of cars goes...

3. it is possible that I drive better than you or anyone you know...(Jims 86LXI HB)

4. Driving skills account for at least a half second in a quarter mile
And really, a 15.5 as my best quarter mile rating should not be all that amazing,

5. By the way... think about this... all (fi) 86-89 lxi's have pretty much the exact same engine... so why would the hp rating be any different?

6. Also... I know I said 119 hp before, I was thinking cubic inches for some reason... but it is still 120 horses!

1. Amazing, your still holding on to the idea your right. As you've been told, only 88-89 LXI & SEI's have 120hp, 86-87 LXI's have 110hp 86-89 DX & LX have 98hp. BTW, members I think he's talking about the Honda shop manuel, not a haynes.

2. I agree with what you say, but whenever someone come's on here acting like they are sooooooo correct when their NOT and they lie and claim they run 15.5 1/4 mile times, they are always,.....always a newb. I can't remember a member that is acting like you are that has more than 100 posts. Lot's of people that are new, have more sense then you, that's my point.

3.:lol That's a good one

4.Hey I'm sorry if you picked the wrong forum to post bs numbers on, that's not my fault. Your super human driving skills are shaving 2 seconds off most people's times,......rigggghhhtttt:rolleyes: Don't speak or type a word untill you run your car at Sacramento Raceway in front of another Nor Cal member that has been a member longer than you have. Untill you do that, the BS flag still flies over you. And realize your saying your car is just as fast as a RSX, TSX, BMW 330i, Celica GT-S, and IS300. All of them run around 15.6 in the 1/4. Sorry, you can't run with them.

5.You've allready been corrected on that by other members. I don't understand how you could be so thick headed that you would not do any research when told your wrong. Why wouldn't you lift a finger to do some research, that would have given you a chance to get back some dignity, instead you want to work the fool line. It's not to late for you ya know. Come clean now and stop burning your own bridges.

6. Ok, don't understand why, but all right.

Remember, not a word about your 15.5 claims till you run your car at Sacramento Raceway in front of another Nor Cal member that has been a member longer than you.

[Justin86]

Well how about a big list of mods and maybe I might belive a 15.5sec 1/4mile. Until then BS.

[3rd GEN]

yup.. i know for a fact that the 88-89's are more then the 86-87's..

and yes, they used higher compression pistons, different intake/exhaust manifolds ecu, and a fewothers..
so everyone just drop it and face it..

88-89's had 120, and 86-87's had 110..
thats it..
bottom line...no more argueing!!!!

[BITESIZE]

3rd GEN

Dude, I like you! :)

[iloveJDMblackrims69]

hey dude........ who ran 15.5 or whatever........... is your #6, 7, or even 8 numbers not working on your keyboard? :lol

[BITESIZE]

Sounds logical to me.

[wprocomp]

yeah sometimes I get my horsepower ratings mixed up with how many pistons I have:rolleyes: I always wondered how they fit 120 pistons in such a small block...oh well

[A20A1]

Well the nonsense stops here...