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Justanothermike
06-13-2002, 05:01 PM
Got the 88 LXi coupe dyno tunned today.
I'll let the numbers speak for themselves
http://i527.photobucket.com/albums/cc351/mrmike8300/dyno21.jpg

140hp to the wheels!!thats equivilant to around 160-162hp at the flywheel. Its quite impressive to match the stock flywheel rating at the wheels, not to mention surpass it by 20hp. torque is broad and flat accros the power band




and some pics
http://www.openloopmotorsports.com/Dyno61302.html

Jims 86LXI HB
06-13-2002, 05:15 PM
I'm very impressed with the torque curve, it's pretty darn flat, you've got a good amount from 2250rpms to 6000+. Mike could you tell us again what modes this car has, lightned flywheel?, cam specs?

88LXi68
06-13-2002, 05:23 PM
Impressive numbers but how much more can you get out of it?

Justanothermike
06-13-2002, 05:25 PM
a lot more. all bolt ons here bud. I/H/E, cam, throttlebody, ignition, and flywheel.

Jims 86LXI HB
06-13-2002, 06:09 PM
Ohh kay I guess I'll research the answer to my own question. Here's what the car has.
Engine: Honda A20A3 Fuel Injected
Stock Bottom End
Custom Ground Cam
Adjustable Cam Gear
DC Sports Header
Straight pipe
Cat Back Exhaust
Weapon R Intake
MSD 7AL-2
MSD Blaster Coil
Venom Injectors
Big Bore Throttle Body
Ported Intake Manifold
B & M Fuel Pressure Regulator
Battery Moved to Trunk
Custom Underdrive Crank Pulley

I'd like to know what more can be done,:lol Raise compression? wilder cam? work on the head?

88LXi68
06-13-2002, 06:19 PM
thats what I was thinking. There arent many bolt ons left. All I can think of is an alternator pulley. Anything else? I am still impressed, just want to know what else.

TeKKnoTeKK
06-13-2002, 06:26 PM
Very nice bro...thanks for sharing that, gives me something to work toward. As far as I'm concerned the B16 don't got shit on us, I have a lot of faith in our A20's

88LXiHB
06-13-2002, 06:48 PM
Awesome, are all the mods Jim listed on your car durring the run??

Justanothermike
06-13-2002, 07:02 PM
As far as I'm concerned the B16 don't got shit on us,

just being able to actually compare the old "ghetto" A20 with the ALL MIGHTY B16a must mean something about that B16. The accord was totaly streetable at the time of the dyno tune. no belts where removed, regular street tires, 91 pump gas, full exhaust, and full intake system with filter where still on the car. when i do swaps there is NO comparison. i must say hitting VTEC on the 4TH gen H22 is addicting:huh:

oh and wut else can be done.....lemme think.........port and polish, larger intake manifold, larger throttlebody(or more throttlebodies:winkwink:), upgraded computer or air/fuel controler, higher compression pistons, larger valves, valve job, larger header, larger injectors, higher rate fuel pump, and can anybody else think of wut else!?!?

The air/fuel ratio was leaning out at the very top, thats why the curve started to flaten out some at the top. Theres to much air going into the engine and the injectors/ecu can't keep up. Once that is fixed the graph will continue to go SKYWARDS

CARBurn
06-13-2002, 07:22 PM
That is impressive

Well, I hope that dyno run instill some confidence in all those who believe in the power of the A20!!!!:bow:

MoonScryer
06-14-2002, 04:18 AM
Nice power curve...it shows what can be done...

rallyeNate
06-14-2002, 08:38 AM
thats really good, the dyno run! maybe you could clue us in to what has been done to your car? that you realy help me track down whats robbing me of power. please list your cam spec (@0.05lobe lift)

ACCORD EX
06-14-2002, 09:47 AM
nice power man !!

MIKE

POS carb
06-14-2002, 10:13 AM
Very nice...
A good head porting and an ECU reprogramming should get u another 20hp maybe depends on how wild you want to go

stgardner
06-14-2002, 01:19 PM
You could drop the power steering. That must drain some horses and torque.

I'd like to know what the grind was on the cam and if you tested the emissions to see how clean it stayed with those changes and the changes to the fuel system.

87lxi
06-14-2002, 08:42 PM
all that stuff you did and you only got 140??? you say the b16a doesn't have sh!t on the a20 but it has as much as that hoped up a20 stock. if you did all that to the b16 you'd have well over 200 hp. at the wheels.

i have to get rid of my 98 civic ex and i'm just gonna drive my 87 lxi, but i'm not too happy about it. what is the big deal about the a20? its not fast, its not vtec. my civic was slow as hell and it had 127. you guys are happy with 100? set your sights higher.

i'm sorry if it sounds like i'm knockin the 3rd G accords, but all that work for only 140 hp? it just not worth it to me. this 87 lxi was my 2nd car and i like it, but it just doesn't have much power.

oh, and where can get a b20a5 to swap into the lxi? jdmclub.com and nippon motors doesn't have them. and have you guys had any experience with swapping the 89-91 b16a into a 3rd Gen accord? i just need to know where to get some mounting brackets.

later

bass
06-14-2002, 11:49 PM
I know everyone is going to prove you wrong, and I'll start. Add up the cost of the mods on his A20, then compare it to a B16 and you see how much cheaper it is to stay with the A20. Plus the A20 has more torque. And I know you must be a riceboy because you said "What is the big deal about the A20?... its not vtec" There is a guy with a SOHC non-VTEC CRX who runs 11.2 all motor. VTEC isnt that big of a deal, you act like it will make your car keep up V8's. :bow: VTEC

87lxi
06-15-2002, 09:59 AM
look man, the amount of money he put into his a20 is way over the cost of a b16a. way over. an 88-91 b16 is only like $1500, check jdmclub.com just a good exhaust system, headers, intake, and some cam gears or somethin adds up to about $1500. and you won't even gain 30 hp.

and when i say "whats the big deal about the a20", i mean it is not a powerful engine, they don't make them anymore so there is not a big demand for performance parts for them, there were never a big supply of performance parts for them in the first place compared to the b16, d16, b18, h22, or any other engine, and lastly, THEY ARE SLOW!

you can make ANY engine faster, but not all engines have a good potential to be fast. if you mod an a20 and a b16, dollar for dollar, you will not keep up. plus the b16s redline at a much higher rpm, which means you don't have to shift as much. shifting slows you down.

i don't think anyone thinks that if you have Vtec that you can keep up with V8s. this is a very common arguement for people without vtec and is either highly exaggerated or is just made up.
sure, its nice to have vtec, but its not the world. maybe if you've never had it, you don't know what its like.

Justanothermike
06-15-2002, 10:33 AM
ok the A20 makes 120 hp stock to the flywheel. By the 15% drivetrain loss rule the 88 is making 165 flywheel (wow). thats a 45 hp gain. 45/120=37.5% hp gain.

B16 160x.375=60. 160+60=220. 220x.85(drivtrain loss)=187

87lxi, i want u to tell me when u see a B16 dyno 187 hp at the wheels with just the bolt ons i used.

oh and ur swap is never going to cost u the cost of the engine. I believe u need a mount kit that will cost u another 1400. and another 400-500 in misc parts. And thats assuming u know how to put it in yourself.


THEY ARE SLOW!
my A20 is not SLOW. ur A20 is slow.

RobT5580
06-15-2002, 11:41 AM
Im not taking sides but if you want to swap a B16 with A/C and power steering your looking at like $2k for all the hardware plus the motor your up to $3400. I was gonna go B20A because i want to gain on torque but Mike Lee bailed out on the deal so im probably gonna go the placeracing route. I would like to do a bigger swap than B16 but im not gonna pay 3k for just the motor so i have B16 Turbo in mind but it will some time before that happens. The A20 has potential but at a cost i just say look at Justins Turbo even though its not all motor it seemed to be impressive to me.

1989 DX R
06-15-2002, 12:32 PM
Mike, would it be possible to have 4 individual carb/throttlebodies on say, an A20a1? I saw a Neon (yuk) that ran 11's with 4 individual carb/tb on the intake side. Would that be possible?

Oh, nice Dyno run :super:

CARBurn
06-15-2002, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by 87lxi
THEY ARE SLOW!

Says who?

After slapping on a weber, my accord(a20a1) is not slow. and I am only half way to where I want to be with this motor and seeing the work those guys at openloopmotorsport have done to their A20 I know know there is potential to gain more power with some more mods(cam, lightened flywheel, heavy duty clutch,etc.)

This is to all who don't believe in the power of the A20
:bow:

Sean
06-15-2002, 10:31 PM
i like the new attidue im seeing here on the board. thand to openloop motorsports there is a futre.

justanother mike would you like to test some stuff for me ????
you seem to have access to a dyno. i have some goodies i can pass yr way email me at [email protected]

A20A1
06-15-2002, 11:01 PM
Why the accords A20 never got a ton of aftermarket support...

The accord wasn't looked on as the cheap easy top mod street car, liike how the civics and tegs were in the 90's.
Most of the cars were bought not by us, but by families... and they weren't too interested in modifying the cars, it was just a car to get to point a to point b with fuel economy and comfort.


Oh and DX R they are usually individual TB's with injectors... TWM makes such a set up... it kick's A$$ for sure but You'd have to get a program to run the efi and ignition.

87lxi
06-20-2002, 07:37 PM
ok, the b16 is 1500 with ALL parts necessary for the job. the motor mounts are not 1400 at all! i have seen them for $600-$700 online and even that is damn high. i could just go to a metal shop and have them custom build me some mounts for under $100. all we're talking about is a heavy "L" shaped piece of metal that bolts to the motor and the frame. and even if i couldn't put it in, my mechanic will put it in for $600. so thats $2200 for the whole swap.

now that you have done all that to the a20, you have basically maxed it out at 140 hp and put nearly $2000 into it, correct? if you had a b16, you would start at 160 hp and work your way up from there. so even a stock b16 with 160 hp is worth the $2200.

and mike, what is your equation all about? it doesn't make any sense. you say the a20 is 120 hp to the flywheel, minus a 15% drivtrain loss, and you get 165 hp to the flywheel????? either you made a mistake or you are confused. the hp rating for cars are always to the flywheel unless otherwise noted. you subtract 15% of you flywheel power as a loss through the drivetrain, and you get your hp rating to the wheels. that is the power you actually get to use. so if the b16 is 160 to the flywheel, subtract 15% and you get 136 hp to the wheels. so you have 140 hp to the wheels after everything you've done, and the b16 is 136 hp to the wheels stock, your a20 might be just as fast as a b16 cause the b16 redlines at 8000 and the a20 redlines at (what?) 6500? is that right? i'm not sure. but anyway, with a b16, you won't shift as often, which keeps you accelerating faster.

and what is this 187 hp to the wheels that you're talking about? where did you get that from?

and it doesn't matter WHY there aren't an abundance of parts for the a20, what matters is, there aren't. i'll say this again, i'm not knockin the a20, there are just better engines out there that suit the performance scene much better. just because most of us have an a20 doesn't mean you have to raise hell when i say that they are slow. what i consider slow and what you all consider slow also might be two different things. i would like to be able to keep up with a gsr and smoke the LS and GS. and even those are not FAST cars. if you want to race, (and i don't mean pussy race) you're gonna have to have a little more than an a20 can put out.

i guess i'm done for the night. i didn't mean to make you guys read so much.

later

1988starter
06-20-2002, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by 87lxi
all that stuff you did and you only got 140??? you say the b16a doesn't have sh!t on the a20 but it has as much as that hoped up a20 stock. if you did all that to the b16 you'd have well over 200 hp. at the wheels.

i have to get rid of my 98 civic ex and i'm just gonna drive my 87 lxi, but i'm not too happy about it. what is the big deal about the a20? its not fast, its not vtec. my civic was slow as hell and it had 127. you guys are happy with 100? set your sights higher.

i'm sorry if it sounds like i'm knockin the 3rd G accords, but all that work for only 140 hp? it just not worth it to me. this 87 lxi was my 2nd car and i like it, but it just doesn't have much power.

oh, and where can get a b20a5 to swap into the lxi? jdmclub.com and nippon motors doesn't have them. and have you guys had any experience with swapping the 89-91 b16a into a 3rd Gen accord? i just need to know where to get some mounting brackets.

later


Someone is forgeting about the fact that the horse displayed is at the wheels he is putting just as much at the fly as a b16 and he has more torque also he spent less that a swap would cost.

pimp86LX
06-20-2002, 09:15 PM
both engines have there good and bad....


A20 -More torque
B16 -Higher redline, more aftermarket

h22 -:bow: :bow:


Dodge Duster 440-Hemi (my dream car)
oooohh baby i'd like to see a vtec keep up to that :-D

djimass
06-21-2002, 05:13 AM
Allow me to add my two cents. I know a lot of you (us) are drooling aver the capabilities ofthe B16, but let's be realistic here: it's an expensive swap. What Justanothermike did was to obtain the same amount of power as a STOCK B16 with more torque, all for a lot less money. Personally, if I had the funds and if my car was fuel injected, I'd take the same route as he did, simply because I could make it a gradual process (a part here and a part there) and it would be a lot easier on my wallet (or Visa) than to shell out $2000 for and engine and the mounts. I'm sure he could add more money and make his car more powerful, but for a street car 140 whp is more than enough to have fun on a daily basis (for me anyway).

Just wanted to add my opinion fellas, have a great day.

pric
06-21-2002, 08:53 AM
That's impressive mike.

My 2 cents on the subject when it comes to racing it's not about peak power it's more about your power band the range in which you produce the most power and having the correct gear's set up for that power band. The B16 is an impressive motor. However, the power does not come in until you reach 6000 rpm's. Mike's A20 with the cam he is running runs the torque out longer giving it a flater torque curve and having a larger power band than the B16.

1989 DX R
06-21-2002, 11:30 AM
Yeah, that torque curve is as flat as west Texas desert, which means that mofo pulls all the way through the rpm's. The hp peak comes at a fairly modest rpm too, which is nice to get you going. I would say that car could take a stock SI withought breaking a sweat.

A20A1
10-15-2002, 10:59 PM
Originally posted by pimp86LX
both engines have there good and bad....


A20 -More torque
B16 -Higher redline, more aftermarket

h22 -:bow: :bow:


Dodge Duster 440-Hemi (my dream car)
oooohh baby i'd like to see a vtec keep up to that :-D


It's not the higher redline but the v-tec that's important in the b16.

you counld make the a20 rev to 9k but don't expect to make power in both the low and top end.

DarknessRS
10-15-2002, 11:08 PM
Yes, I'd have to say the Openloop LXi is the most impressive all motor A20A3 on this board.

dhcarss
10-16-2002, 05:31 AM
Which cam did you have in your car when you did this dyno? the milder one or the more agressive?

Jims 86LXI HB
10-16-2002, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by dhcarss
Which cam did you have in your car when you did this dyno? the milder one or the more agressive?

take a look at the first page, I did a post that show's the specs or the parts used on the motor to get the power it has.

dhcarss
10-16-2002, 11:10 AM
It just says custom ground cam, They offer two cams, I was wondering which one. :)

Site
10-16-2002, 11:21 AM
Thanks Mike, for posting the results! I see OpenLoop as one of the best A20 resources in existence right now. If a few of us would follow in OpenLoop's steps and insert our own creativity along the way, we could begin making impressive stands at drag events that will get teh 86-89 Accord noticed by more aftermarket parts manufacturers.

The dyno results you posted should be an encouragement to us all!

Justanothermike
10-16-2002, 07:09 PM
That cam was the wild race cam.

rallyeNate
10-16-2002, 08:51 PM
he will not post the ALL the parts used to build the enigne; he said boltons. i can bolt on a cam or bolt some N2O or bolton a turbo

1988starter
10-16-2002, 09:06 PM
Have you ever thought of a highflow fuel pump from venom.

Justanothermike
10-18-2002, 11:10 PM
Originally posted by rallyeNate
he will not post the ALL the parts used to build the enigne; he said boltons. i can bolt on a cam or bolt some N2O or bolton a turbo

They're all posted on the website. always have been and always will be

AccordEpicenter
01-20-2003, 10:42 PM
You need alot of torque, so forget the b16. The right work and parts with the a20 can get you more power per $$ than b16 ever could. I like both engines but the applications are a little different. IMO the only 4 cyls that have anything on the a20s are the H22a's and built B18s, both are excellent engines and both have a fair amount of torque and aftermarket parts available.

1988starter
01-20-2003, 10:48 PM
notice hehas more torque at 2000 rpm than a b16 at 7000 and also more horse before 6000 than a b16 at 7600

Sean
01-21-2003, 09:16 AM
a point about the big increase in TQ is something we should be talking about alot more then we have been. TQ move the car not HP.

1988starter
01-21-2003, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by Sean
a point about the big increase in TQ is something we should be talking about alot more then we have been. TQ move the car not HP.

That is the same way I feel torque is what makes a car fun.

Sean
01-21-2003, 10:49 AM
remember HP is a function of TQ. without TQ there is no HP.

Vanilla Sky
01-21-2003, 11:24 AM
would we see similar results if we used a DCOE setup as opposed to the EFI setup? just assume using 45's... would it still be possible?

Johnny O
01-21-2003, 07:15 PM
I have the 87 ACCORD that is turbo charged and i have dyno at 3 25 hp at 315 ft/lbs of tq at 21 lbs roughly will try to post results.

Sean
01-21-2003, 07:18 PM
good deal care to illuminate how you control the boost ?

88LXi68
01-21-2003, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by Sean
good deal care to illuminate how you control the boost ?

Sean I have seen the car run at Englishtown. It ran a 12.6 when I was there. Just wanted to let you know he is legit.

Jareds 89 LX-i
01-21-2003, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by 88LXi68
Sean I have seen the car run at Englishtown. It ran a 12.6 when I was there. Just wanted to let you know he is legit.
:eek: :eek: :omg: :bow: :bow: That's all I got to say....damn!

Sean
01-21-2003, 09:34 PM
my question was simply to ask how he manages timing and fuel ? thats all im cursios about.

87accord
01-21-2003, 10:18 PM
Thats great and now i have something to work towards!:):super:

88LXiHB
01-21-2003, 10:53 PM
12.6 is a long way from 11s....what have you done to the car since E-Town?

88LXi68
01-22-2003, 06:55 AM
Originally posted by 88LXiHB
12.6 is a long way from 11s....what have you done to the car since E-Town?

When we talked with him he had told us he ran a BEST of 11.9 at Lebanon Valley up in NY. On his 12.6 run he was SPINNING like crazy. all you could hear was tire spinning.

Sean I know you were just asking that question but I was just adding that the car is real, cause I know some may be skeptical of it. We all have seen people come on here and post stupid shit like "I have an H22A in LX".

On a another note when John came up to the starting line the announcer said "and now the fastest 87 Accord in the country" We all thought that was pretty cool.

smufguy
01-22-2003, 09:50 AM
i know this is an old thread but this what baffles me, why on earth is the torque lower than stock? 116 modified compared to 122 stock? why does this happen? am i missing something?:confused:

AccordEpicenter
01-22-2003, 11:07 AM
Smurf thats 122 at the flywheel, he had 116 at the wheels, which is way more than 122 at the flywheel if you factor in driveline losses.

smufguy
01-22-2003, 12:21 PM
oooooooo. i see the light now. Thanks dude.

AccordEpicenter
01-22-2003, 09:58 PM
your welcome smurf

AccordEpicenter
02-01-2003, 11:00 PM
I also think its funny that all these newer engines have to be re-sleeved and then all the aftermarket pistons etc, all that BS to run turbo, the A20 just pistons and maybe rods because its cast iron... Thats hella $$$ to resleeve

AvgWhtMale
02-02-2003, 09:04 AM
Relpy to A20A1:

"It's not the higher redline but the v-tec that's important in the b16.

you counld make the a20 rev to 9k but don't expect to make power in both the low and top end."

My understanding of VTEC is that it allows the engine to breathe better at higher RPM's and therefore create more torque at high RPM's. Therefore, you want the pistons, crankshaft, etc. to be able to handle higher RPM's, so you design for it, and give the car a high redline. You get horsepower by being able to continue to bang out torque at high rpm (HP = torque X RPM). So all these high-revving, small (1.6) VTEC engines get so much power because at 6000 RPM or so, when a non-VTEC is suffocating due to lack of intake air, the second cam profile kicks in and the torque keeps on coming. Damn good idea. Wins races.

...but the A20 is still a good engine. long stroke = lots of low-end torque. If you VTEC'd it, it would be one HELL of an engine. Who was that dude who tried to VTEC his Prelude? Tom, I think? Once upon a time there was lots of talk around here of topping off an A20 with a JDM B20 head. Anyone try to VTEC an A20? OK, I'll shut up now <--- on a coffee high.

-VTEC Monkey

smufguy
02-02-2003, 09:32 AM
i would love to see someone put a Vtec on a A20, but gotta run an external ecu or rather run a Vtec ecu for the whole?

MoonScryer
02-02-2003, 11:27 AM
It won't happen, won't work, stop asking, thanks. VTEC on an A20 is a waste. Right now, someone os working on B20 dual cam heads on a A20, but I don't know where this stands, as it has been a couple of months since he posted.

carotman
02-02-2003, 02:23 PM
the B20A5 head might work but I see cooling problems. I 'll have to try this someday but time is missing (and money)

AccordEpicenter
02-02-2003, 04:26 PM
sounds like way too much work for ??Who knows?? amount of power gain. Work with what ya got

Sean
02-03-2003, 07:47 PM
actually theres been talk around my house of trying to drop a b16 vtec head on the a20a simply becuase the ports have similar spacing all else being equal the hea should fit valve sizes bore spacing centers being equal. i think ill dig out some headgaskets and find out just how hard it would be to swap a b16 vtec head on. there was a guy from lude speed dropping b16 heads i think on the b20a but it required lots of work. i just think the b16a head might be a good way to try to fly. ill dig around and see what i can do to scare up some parts. for a comparison i could only imagine with a smaller bore and storke with an aluminum block that the cylinder spacing would have to be wider to support the smaller bore plus the head bolts spacing might be close.

ill have to look no promises but its a road ive been thinking about diving into.

AccordEpicenter
02-03-2003, 09:14 PM
even if it does fit youd have to figure out what to do with the timing belt configuration, thats way different having 2 cam gears instead of one and their way different sizes too so wouldnt you have to change the crank cog too?

Sean
02-03-2003, 09:31 PM
nope i think the crank cog would be easy to fix just resize the b16 cog to fit the a20a. that would solve the rest of the issue getting a custom size timming belt in a bacth or 10 or 20 is easy enough. a tiny bit exspesnvie yes but definately doable. then again with careful belt routing ad a big idler pulley theres a few belts that might work. heres some pics for optimism.

both engines use a 82.5 mm bore so the pics need to be resized but it looks like the important stuff line up.

http://phy.37industries.com:3000/accordpics/a20a_b16a_gasket.jpg

the pic on the top is the a20a the bottom is a b15. the pics are a fifrent angle etc but it looks like it should fit . i got a bare block sitting around so im gonna see if i can turn up a cracked b16 head to see how it fits.

87accord
02-09-2003, 09:33 PM
Does anyone know what a 99 si runs stock in quater mile? That would be cool if the 3geez lxi could woop a stock si!!!!!!!!!

smufguy
02-10-2003, 08:02 AM
Lookin at the specs, i dont see why a 3g cant kick ass with the si. THeir gear ratios are not that great either.

1999 Honda Civic SI
0-60: 6.9-7.1 Seconds
Quarter Mile: 14.8-15.8 @ 88
MPG: 26/31

thats wha i dug up but i dont kow how far its true cause the 2003 Si does it in 16.2 seconds.

for the 2003
Gear Ratios
1 : 3.06:1
2 : 1.77:1
3 : 1.21:1
4 : 0.92:1
5 : 0.74:1
Final Drive : 4.76:1

Measured Curb Weight : 2,730 lb

Acceleration
0-30 mph : 3.0 sec.
0-60 mph : 8.5 sec.
30-50 mph : 3.2 sec.
50-70 mph : 4.9 sec.
Quarter-Mile Time @ Speed : 16.2 sec. @ 84.3 mph

Jims 86LXI HB
02-10-2003, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by smufguy
Lookin at the specs, i dont see why a 3g cant kick ass with the si. THeir gear ratios are not that great either.

1999 Honda Civic SI
0-60: 6.9-7.1 Seconds
Quarter Mile: 14.8-15.8 @ 88
MPG: 26/31

thats wha i dug up but i dont kow how far its true cause the 2003 Si does it in 16.2 seconds.

for the 2003
Gear Ratios
1 : 3.06:1
2 : 1.77:1
3 : 1.21:1
4 : 0.92:1
5 : 0.74:1
Final Drive : 4.76:1

Measured Curb Weight : 2,730 lb

Acceleration
0-30 mph : 3.0 sec.
0-60 mph : 8.5 sec.
30-50 mph : 3.2 sec.
50-70 mph : 4.9 sec.
Quarter-Mile Time @ Speed : 16.2 sec. @ 84.3 mph

I see 2 thing's going on with the above. 1 the 99 times are a smidge faster than I've ever seen published, real 0-60 should be more like 7.4sec, still real nice. 2 the 2003 SI is a heavier car and it does uses a different engine without the 99's extreamly short gearing. The 2003 is more flexible and will accelerate much better when not rev'n the snot out of the motor (below 5000 rpm's).

In any event, the acceleration time's from the 99 SI do make a very good case for B16a (sir1) swaps into our cars. However because of their short gearing, I wouldn't recommend them for anyone that drive's allot on the freeway. Pretty sure 80mph ='s 4400rpms. I wouldn't want to listen to that all day.

Justin86
03-10-2003, 06:52 PM
Anybody know what kind of mods Johnny O did do to get that kind of power and 1/4 mile time.
:badass:

smufguy
03-10-2003, 07:24 PM
i know Johnny O has a turbo and ran 11.9s 1/4mile in Englishtown NJ. What kinda turbo and what psi and on what tires and on what wt reduction is not known to me.

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03-10-2003, 07:28 PM
Originally posted by smufguy
i know Johnny O has a turbo and ran 11.9s 1/4mile in Englishtown NJ. What kinda turbo and what psi and on what tires and on what wt reduction is not known to me.

Is not a street legal car!! Hope that gives an idea!! As for the psi & set up! Idono!! I did not speak with him at all!! Just looked at his car ..