17 in wheels

[87lxi]

i am thinking of taking my 17s with 205/40s off of my civic and puting them on the accord. is this size ok or are they a little big? how much will they jack it up? going from 13's to 17's is a big difference. should i ditch the 17s and get 16s?

[smufguy]

well personally i would say go with 16, and get more rubber on the side wall.

[87lxi]

what if i go with 16s and get 205/40s and drop it about an inch or an inch.5, depending on how much the 16s jack it up?

[smufguy]

well if u drop it below 1.5 as u know, u need a camber kit. and the only reason i would go with the lower size wheel is cause, u dont get performance with tire size, it just makes u lose the low end torque. honestly, i said 16 cause it was one of your choices. i would go no more than 15 inches cause one, they are closer to my stock size (13) less expensive, lots of choices, cheaper rubber too.

[joker2]

Well, like smuf said, if you go with the 16's make sure you go 205/45/16 on the tire, that way you get more rubber between the rim and the road....... Trust me, 40 series tires are cool to look at but you feel everything......:flash: :flash:

[tyne89]

you could be ok with 17 if thats what you have no sense in trying to buy new rims if you already have some. my cousin stuffed 20in rims onto my accord just for fun :flip:

[smufguy]

no matter how much big the wheel is, its not gonna jack your car up, its only because u reduce the tire wall height as u increase ur rim size. the only thing it will do is that bigger the wheel (bigger the tire) u will see that u will lose low end torque (not that our car has a ton). get more side wall. thats what is good. u dont want those show car style 17 with less rubber. for a daily commuter, it would be a hazzle to fell all the unhealthy curves on the roads :D

[Chrome_thangs]

I got 18's sitting on 215/30 and i feel EVERYTHING! I would advise against getting this big of a rim unless it's a show car,(or if you like to floss like me:D
Next time i buy/trade my rims i'll probably go w/ 17

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Originally posted by Chrome_thangs
I got 18's sitting on 215/30 and i feel EVERYTHING! I would advise against getting this big of a rim unless it's a show car,(or if you like to floss like me:D
Next time i buy/trade my rims i'll probably go w/ 17

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[87lxi]

i have 17s with 205/40s on my civic and i don't feel every little detail in the road. it handles much better around the turns and i still don't feel much more than i used to.

and smufguy, a bigger wheel WILL jack up a car. it happened to my civic. it sits about an inch higher than it used to because i increased the wheel size by 3 inches and only decreased the tire size by about 1.5 or 2 inches. i see this happen a lot. the shorter tires do not make up for the increase in wheel size all the time.

and why can't i just put lowering springs and new shocks in my car to lower it? whats up with this camber kit? i wouldn't need one on my civic.

[smufguy]

i think the max u would go without a camber kit is about 1 to 1.5 inch lowering. ppl who lower 2, 2.5, and even 3 inch need a camber kit. I dont know about the civic. but a dude who has a black 3g with konig wheels ( i guess) and 2 inch lowering had and awkward camber on his fronts.

about the bigger tiers jacking ur car up, yeah i was wrong about that. but the biggest tire u can put on would go up to the knuckle above the tire and i forgot about it. man...... i wish we could put 215 instead of 205 on our 3g. 215 looks sooooooo nice. :rant:

[Jims 86LXI HB]

I'm sure what this talk about jacking up you car when you plus size is coming from. If you purchase the correct size tire, illregardless of wheather it's a 15', 16",17"or 18" and you get rims that weigh the same as your oem rims the only thing your going to feel should be ride quality related. And even that is debatable. Some are from the "show" crowd and some are from the "go" crowd, either group is cool.:pimp:

A 205/40-17 has the same overall height as a 185/70-13 or a 195/60-14 so it does nothing to the speedo or to the final drive ratio. But how much does it weigh compaired to the oem wheel/tire setup?

[smufguy]

i highly doubt that it willbe overall the same size cause the stock tires with the rims does not go upto the knuckle near the control arm, but the ones we buy (16, 17 or even 18) goes very close to it. i saw this spanish guy with his lxi 3g in the junk with some cheap ass wheels, but the tire said it was 205/45-17. and it was way way way close to the knucle than my car have ever been.

this is an interesting thing cause some of us say its not the over-rall size but some say it is. :eek:

[Jims 86LXI HB]

i highly doubt that it willbe overall the same size cause the stock tires with the rims does not go upto the knuckle near the control arm,

Well let me clear your doubtfull mind with some facts

Fact: 185/70-13 and 195/60-14 are 23.2" tall

Fact: 205/40-17 is 23.5" tall a 1.1% difference and is the true plus size tire for 17"

205/45-17 is 24.3" tall a one inch difference or 4.5%

205/45-16 is 23.3" tall a .3% difference
205/50-15 is 23.1" tall a -.6% difference
195/55-15 is 23.4" tall a 1% difference

Ok

[Neuspeed87lx]

i have 17's on both my civic and my 3g.....with 205/40/17....the accord is dropped 2.25 and i dont feel everything and the rims fit perfect with no rubbing ...my civic had adj. coilovers so i dont know how much its lowered but it is more than 2.5 inch and they dont rub...

[MiGeY]

Thanx for those facts Jims, I will keep that in mind when buying my rims :D

[1988starter]

I went with a 205/40/16 toyo proxies because it was the same size as my 14's and I did not want to mess up my speedo meter

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Originally posted by 1988starter
I went with a 205/40/16 toyo proxies because it was the same size as my 14's and I did not want to mess up my speedo meter

:huh: your speedo is off, 205/40-16's aren't the same size as the oem 14's. 205/45-16 is the correct size. The 205/40's are smaller.

[guaynabo89]

I don't think the throwing the speedo off theory is entirely true.

I'm running 205/45/17's on my car. The police like to set up one of those radar stands thet tell you how fast your going near my house. I've tested it at least ten times and my speedo is right on with the police radar thing.:confused:

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Originally posted by guaynabo89
I don't think the throwing the speedo off theory is entirely true.

I'm running 205/45/17's on my car. The police like to set up one of those radar stands thet tell you how fast your going near my house. I've tested it at least ten times and my speedo is right on with the police radar thing.:confused:


205/45-17's are a whole inch taller than the oem wheel/tire combo which means your speedo should be off 4.5% , which would mean you'd read 50mph when your really doing 48mph.

Interesting about the radar thing. The local sigh said the same thing on my wifes old car, I knew full well that that wasn't possible as the tires were hecka smaller than oem.:rolleyes:
oem was 205/65-15 I put on 225/50-15(90 nissan maxima)

[dXsquared]

i have 215/45/17s. They only rub when in a big turn and hit a bump or pothole. I also have coilovers and they are lowering me 2 inches(approx). They are only 1.somethin inches biger and hella wider. They work.
Travis

[1988starter]

Originally posted by Jims 86LXI HB


:huh: your speedo is off, 205/40-16's aren't the same size as the oem 14's. 205/45-16 is the correct size. The 205/40's are smaller.

They measure up the same as my old tires when held right next to them.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Originally posted by 1988starter


They measure up the same as my old tires when held right next to them.

Which just goes to show you, you can't trust that kind of measuring. 205/45-16 is the correct size for plus sizing, 205/40-16's aren't because they have a shorter overall diameter. If you go to the tirerack and look at 16" rims for your car, look at the left and you'll see that they automatically show the correct plus tire size case you want to look at tires to, 205/45-16

You can confirm this by checking the tire specs at any tire makers web site or at the tire rack.

[1988starter]

Oh well I just got the kind the tire shop said were the same size but I don't really care.

[guaynabo89]

Originally posted by Jims 86LXI HB



205/45-17's are a whole inch taller than the oem wheel/tire combo which means your speedo should be off 4.5% , which would mean you'd read 50mph when your really doing 48mph.

Interesting about the radar thing. The local sigh said the same thing on my wifes old car, I knew full well that that wasn't possible as the tires were hecka smaller than oem.:rolleyes:
oem was 205/65-15 I put on 225/50-15(90 nissan maxima)

Well the way I see it either the police radar is set a couple of miles off to catch you speeding regardless, or theres too much variation in tire sizes.

The 205/40/17 from falken is most likely not the same size as the 205/40/17 from nitto. Here is an example. I decided on 225/40/18 tires for my wifes car cause I saw another car wth that size and the width of the tire matched up perfect with the rim. I bought the same size tire but different brand. This tire is not as wide as the other one of the same size.

That just goes to show how much sizes vary between companies.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Originally posted by guaynabo89



The 205/40/17 from falken is most likely not the same size as the 205/40/17 from nitto. Here is an example. I decided on 225/40/18 tires for my wifes car cause I saw another car wth that size and the width of the tire matched up perfect with the rim. I bought the same size tire but different brand. This tire is not as wide as the other one of the same size.

That just goes to show how much sizes vary between companies.

No they really don't vary, not with the 17", 16" or 15" sizes.
Their were some difference's when I researched the 18" size you mention. But, the vast majority of maker's that make that size are very close to each other and yet I still could not find a difference with that size that amounted to more than a 1.5% difference, and that was from one tire maker, all the other's were within less than 1% of each other. Just like the list below

Here's a list to compair a whole bunch of different manufactuers 205/40-17 offerings and how tall they are.

BF-Goodrich G-forch T/A KD 23.5"
Bridgstone S-03 pole postion 23.5"
Dunlop SP9000 23.5"
Kumho Ecsta MX 23.5"
Kumho Ecsta 712 23.4"
Sumitumo HRT II 23.5"
Yohahoma A520 23.4"
Yokahoma Parada Spec-II 23.5"
Parelli P7000 23.6"
Michelin Pilot XGT H4 23.5"
Brigdeston RE950 23.5"

Falken does not make a 205/40-17 tire so I checked a 205/50-15
It's height matched up to all the other makers 205/50-15's

Moral of the story is you can pretty much count on the tire maker's to make the tires the same height, they are within a less than 1% +or- difference. Width is another matter.

[smufguy]

hmmmm interesting to note