CAI quality issues

[edgar]

Hey Im new to the board and this is my first post. To be fair I have two questions. First I am looking to invest in a CAI for my 1989 accord lxi and is any of the off brands worth anything or am I better off going AEM. Also an apperance question does anyone have an aluminum wing on their 3g want to see what that would look like.

[1988starter]

No one makes a CAI for our cars I custom made mine from a 90 teg one also a 94 accord one is soposto work. Both require some modification. Use a K&N filter not some APC crap if you want better flow. Second if you put a huge ass allumn. Church Pew On you car I may have to kill you because it looks damn stupid on every car.
DAMN fast and furious killing the minds of our youth grumble:rant:

[Justin86]

Originally posted by 1988starter

DAMN fast and furious killing the minds of our youth grumble:rant:
Yea it pisses be off too. Also you can get a 92 Civic intake and just cut off 3in off it at the throttle body. Welcome to the board.:wave:

[edgar]

Thanks for replys I knew I would have to build a CAI myself so I guess Ill just start cruising ebay for a K&N. As for the aluminum tail the huge ones do look like crap on just about everything but I have seen some smaller conservative ones that looked ok but anyways last night I found a style I liked from a small local company its almost like the stock spoiler for the car but slighty arced. Now all I need now is the LED muffler tip and some neons...JK

[neoblue89lxi]

Hey edgar where in jax do you live? I live in Mandarin and if you need help putting in the cai ill show you. I bought a 3 inch diameter cai for a 94-97 accord and did some custom work to it. It works great and sounds better. When you turn the car off at the last second you can hear suction from the front bumper. Ebay intake was only 40 plus where you have to cut the intake to work in our cars is the perfect place to put a bypass valve.

[NXRacer]

or you can make (http://www.87accordlxi.com/coldair/coldair.htm) your own

[Justin86]

Yea you can make your own but I would just buy one. It can ba a pain in the ass to get all the parts you need and want. It will cost you the same to buy an ebay one and put on a K&N filter then making it yourself.

[Dibbs]

I know you can get those APC tubes for 92-95 civics at autozone for like $30 then just add a K&N on the end of it for another $30.

[meangreenLXi]

here's thread about the 3g's with a wing enhancement http://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18137

[meangreenLXi]

even though they look stupid on the car, some people think they are okay. Have a look at some pics of the 3g's representin the wing formation.

[Cyric_accord]

Ok, I thought we still had this pic up on our old site... hope it works, never linked a pic from teh site
http://drayon.com/pic/albums/userpics/steve/thumb_104-0480_IMG.JPG

whoops, wrong pic :rolleyes:
http://drayon.com/pic/albums/userpics/steve/normal_104-0464_IMG.JPG

Theres a pic of a wing on a 3g

EDIT: Hmm, I look at it some more... might be a 4g.. i wasn't at this meet, so i wouldn't know for sure.

[1988starter]

Damn thats mad ugly I like my wing better

[Justin86]

Yea that is a 4g but the untrained eye couldn't tell. Is that a hampster in her shirt or I'am dreaming. :)

[Cyric_accord]

Yeah, when I first looked at the pic, i thought "Sweet, another 3rd gen" cause a quik glance looked exactly the same but then I saw the "Accord" emblem on the bottom of the trunk and not the upper right.

Heh, no hamster... but a coke can nestled in there :D bigger pic at http://drayon.com/pic/displayimage.php?album=17&pos=25

[johnwc723]

definetly a 4gee aluminimum wings are ugly as hell and do NOTHING!

[3G Jester]

honestly AEM brags about having the best shit but really.....what is the purpose of a CAI?

to get cold air from the ground up through BIGGER piping into the engine. any CAI does it really as long as its big enough piping and as long as it has a high flow filter. AEM just has the numbers to back it up. and if there is a difference its not really all the big.

[1988starter]

Originally posted by 3g Jester
honestly AEM brags about having the best shit but really.....what is the purpose of a CAI?

to get cold air from the ground up through BIGGER piping into the engine. any CAI does it really as long as its big enough piping and as long as it has a high flow filter. AEM just has the numbers to back it up. and if there is a difference its not really all the big.

Actually AEM spends a lot of money testing different size piping and bend angles to get max air velocity and often there pipes are slightly smaller in diamaeter than cheap ebay knockoffs. Not to mention they use highquality K&N filters.

[k-roy]

Originally posted by johnwc723
definetly a 4gee aluminimum wings are ugly as hell and do NOTHING!

Yes wings do do something. Have you ever heard of downforce? But you are right, they are ugly as hell.
I saw a Suzuki Esteem with a giant wing and a fart tip a few weeks ago. I was laughing my ass of. The guy got out of his car like he wanted to fight or something. Then he got back in and started to rev like crazy. I smoked his ass right off the line. Funny shit.

[3G Jester]

Originally posted by 1988starter
Actually AEM spends a lot of money testing different size piping and bend angles to get max air velocity and often there pipes are slightly smaller in diamaeter than cheap ebay knockoffs. Not to mention they use highquality K&N filters.


im just talking about hp gains for your average street tuner. unless your trying to knock off .3 seconds from your 1/4 mile time.....it really doesnt matter much. whatever gets the air there works. plus you WILL notice the difference in cai's when you have the WHOLE exhaust, and modified engine components and all that crap. like i said. doesnt matter much for the average street tuner.

[1988starter]

Originally posted by kroy
Yes wings do do something. Have you ever heard of downforce? But you are right, they are ugly as hell.
I saw a Suzuki Esteem with a giant wing and a fart tip a few weeks ago. I was laughing my ass of. The guy got out of his car like he wanted to fight or something. Then he got back in and started to rev like crazy. I smoked his ass right off the line. Funny shit. \


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It probably does do nothing. People get paid a lot of money to figure out precise hight and angle measurements on wings for downforce. So mostlikely if you add an allumn wing you will not have it at the proper angle and height for the wind comming over the roof to hit it and provide downforce. With my fairly extensive Physics and math backround I would guess the way to figureout the proper height would be a 4 part intergral consisting of height Theta Velocity and rate of acceleration. It would probably be so complex a program like mathematica would need to be used to solve it forthe best results. Otherwise all it would probably do is act as an air dam. But what ever I am just a third year engineering student.

[3G Jester]

DOWNFORCE CREATED BY WINGS PUSHES THE REAR END OF A CAR DOWN. this is important FOR RWD cars. on FWD cars it does JACK SHIT. a little wing might help. but those fucking wings on F&F and 2F2F and on those rice mobiles maybe light weight aluminum but its still weight that doesnt need to be there and creates drag.

[Justin86]

Well on a stock car a CAI will not give you big gains. If you allready have some mods like full exhaust, or cam then you will see better results out of the CAI. As for Spoilers stick with a low deck, stock one with or with out LED's

[3G Jester]

holla. i love my stock wing. nice low and fits the body to the car.

[Justin86]

Originally posted by 3g Jester
holla. i love my stock wing. nice low and fits the body to the car.
And it looks good to. Any spoliler has to comploment the car. Yea the aluminum spoilers are gay 99% percent of the time but I have seen a FEW that they help accent the other parts of the car. Your car is like a mosque, there has to be a flow and one part needs to comploment another part otherwise you interupt the "creative flow".:bow:

[k-roy]

Originally posted by 3g Jester
holla. i love my stock wing. nice low and fits the body to the car.

Yes, STOCK spoilers look nice on our cars. I am looking for one, I may also go for a 80s M3 style.

[Justin86]

Also the teg spoilers with the LED's look real good too.

[4sillypwr]

Wings are retarted. Sure they create down force......at 120mph. When was the last time you turned at 120mph? I sure try to avoid doing that.

I do like the look of the LOW stock spoilers with and led.

[lightbulblxi]

i was readin import tuner the other month and they said the only purpose of a wing on a ff car is to create stability and to keep te car on the ground at 90+ mph. so basically if you are into dragging,k then the wing prolly would have no use to u accept at the finish lin or past when u finally hit 90

[Justin86]

Originally posted by lightbulblxi
i was readin import tuner the other month and they said the only purpose of a wing on a ff car is to create stability and to keep te car on the ground at 90+ mph. so basically if you are into dragging,k then the wing prolly would have no use to u accept at the finish lin or past when u finally hit 90
Yea that is very true. So a way to get around the problem at low speeds is have it adjustable. I local guy around here had an adjustable spoiler so as he went faster the angle on it adjusted to created to right amount of down force of his 3000GT given the speed.

[3G Jester]

3000gt is rear wheel drive isnt it?

[Cyric_accord]

no, Front Wheel drive
The VR4s tho were equipped with All Wheel Drive


Originally posted by Cyric_accord
3.0 liter SOHC 12 Valve V6 MPI
Horsepower: 164 @ 5,500 rpm
Torque (lb-ft): 185 @ 4,000 rpm
Available in base model Dodge Stealth with a 5-speed manual overdrive or a 4-speed automatic transmission. Front Wheel Drive.

3.0 liter DOHC 24 Valve V6 MPI (Engine not equipped in Mitsubishi 3000GTs)
Horsepower: 222 @ 6,000 rpm
Torque (lb-ft): 201 @ 4,500 rpm
Available in the Dodge Stealth ES and R/T with a 5-speed manual overdrive or a 4-speed automatic transmission. Front Wheel Drive.

3.0 liter DOHC 24 Valve V6 MPI Twin Turbochargers
Horsepower: 300 @ 6,000 rpm <-(increased to 320hp later)
Torque (lb-ft): 307 @ 2,500 rpm
Available in the Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo and only a high capacity German Getrag 5-speed manual, 6th gear Overdrive. These models were also equipped as All-Wheel Drive.

Stealths and 3000GTs are the same cars, i guess you might call them a DSM

[Justin86]

Yea but this guy had this car throwing down some fast times on the track. I can't remember but I belive he was hitting 12's. Too bad he sold it for allmost nothing.

[Cyric_accord]

Originally posted by Justin86
Yea that is very true. So a way to get around the problem at low speeds is have it adjustable. I local guy around here had an adjustable spoiler so as he went faster the angle on it adjusted to created to right amount of down force of his 3000GT given the speed.

Yeah, the later models (97-00 i believe) came stock with adjustable spoilers for that reason... but I've haven't heard much on their effectiveness.

[ryan88lxi]

cold air on may car put down 5 more WHP than short ram. i had it dynoed with both. and yes it does make a difference, you can feel it across the entire rev range. if they didnt make that big of a difference, there would only be short rams.

[3G Jester]

yeah my CAI is deffintly a power band booster. its all i got on the AV6 at the moment [dynaflo cat back exhaust runs 600 for the av6 :( eep] but i noticed a big kick in the revs the whole way across the board. shes sure as hell breathing better.

the K&N filter president said it best. 'think of the engine of a car like a human body. the stock intake on a car is like trying to make a human breath throguh a straw'

[88LXiHB]

Originally posted by Cyric_accord
i guess you might call them a DSM

Why would you do that?

[Low Tek]

I have been messing with CAI and different sizes.. I have noticed a HUGE difference in using a 3 inch pipe and then goin to a 2 inch pipe, there is actually a better notice in pull and how quick it grabs up the RPMs..

[thegreatdane]

With which pipe did you get a better pull? The 2 inch?

[Low Tek]

yea.. 2 inch has a much better pull, and has a bad ass growl at red line..

[Justin86]

I'm using 2.5" piping.

[Cyric_accord]

Originally posted by 88LXiHB
Why would you do that?

Because it's another joint creation between Mitsubishi and Chrysler... Mitsu built the engine and drivetrain, where as Chrysler desgined the interior and exterior body...

[88LXiHB]

Originally posted by Cyric_accord
Because it's another joint creation between Mitsubishi and Chrysler... Mitsu built the engine and drivetrain, where as Chrysler desgined the interior and exterior body...

Mitsu built engine and body, Dodge just "Dodged it up" the car is all Mitsu. They were built in Japan, shipped over, and sold to Dodge. At least that what a few guys over at 3Si told me.

No DSM sticker, no DSM.

[Cyric_accord]

Not necessarily correct, but many were built in Japan. But when the DSM division started, chrysler built the Normal, Ill. plant so Mitsubishi would not break the self-imposed import quota.

The plant produced the Eagle Talon, Mitsubishi Eclipse, Plymouth Laser, Mitsubishi 3000GT, Dodge Stealth, and the Mitsubishi Galant.

[88LXiHB]

Originally posted by Cyric_accord
Not necessarily correct, but many were built in Japan. But when the DSM division started, chrysler built the Normal, Ill. plant so Mitsubishi would not break the self-imposed import quota.

The plant produced the Eagle Talon, Mitsubishi Eclipse, Plymouth Laser, Mitsubishi 3000GT, Dodge Stealth, and the Mitsubishi Galant.




Originally posted by 88LXiHB
No DSM sticker, no DSM.


;)

[Cyric_accord]

I didn't dispute that fact, just said you might call them a DSM. In all the articles i've read, they usually throw the 3kgt/stealth in the mix since it was another of the sport cars built by both companies.

[thegreatdane]

Originally posted by Low Tek
yea.. 2 inch has a much better pull, and has a bad ass growl at red line..

Did you try running a 2,5 inch pipe? Because I got my hands on some steel piping thats 2 inch, and I'm not sure if i should use that or get some 2,5 inch piping instead. 2 inch seems small??

[Justin86]

I have 2.5" and I like it pretty good. You would really need to have the car dynoed and try 2", 2.5", and 3" piping to really see the benifits.