B16 or B18B1? [Archive] - 3geez.com - Classic Honda Accord & Prelude Forum

Oakenfold

10-31-2003, 05:22 PM

I finally realized that I will not be able to afford a B20a therefore I moved on to other possibilities. I have been looking into the b18b1 engine found in 92-93 integra gs which puts out 140hp and 121lb. ft/torque... the only problem is the price. I called Japanese used auto parts and I got the quote for the motor, tranny and computer at $2100 canadian! The b16 however is usually going for $1800 for the motor, tranny and computer! it's got 20 more hp but 10 less torque...

I currently have the a20a3 since it is an 89 ex-i.

I really would like to know which would be the best option! Which one would be better from different point of views not just whichever is faster! Which one would be more reliable and so on.

Gregg86DX

10-31-2003, 06:18 PM

I'm just curious why you think you can't afford the B20A?

Most of the B20A's I have seen for sale are cheaper than either of those motors, and you don't need expensive swap kits.

I'll grant you that right now the market of B20A - 5 speeds has dried up, but I know of several b20A - Auto setups available pretty cheap.

Gregg

Oakenfold

10-31-2003, 06:25 PM

Ok well first of all I will not drive an automatic until I'm like 60 or something. Second I've seen a b20a motor, tranny and computer for like $3000... canadian that is. If u can tell me of a place in Ontario, Canada where I can find that for cheaper please tell me and I'll get it! Otherwise I can't afford to waste that much money!

85lude

10-31-2003, 07:33 PM

hey gregg how much for a b20a jdm? i dont care for a 5 speed right now i can get it later.

85lude

10-31-2003, 07:37 PM

just think if you buy a LS motor then you have to pay for shipping and you have to buy a mounting kit along with the axles shift linkage and wiring harness and that $1200 (U.S) alone. a b20a is a direct bolt in everything pugs in and everything if you call around and look around then youll find one for pretty cheap and with low miles.

Gregg86DX

11-01-2003, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by Oakenfold
Ok well first of all I will not drive an automatic until I'm like 60 or something. Second I've seen a b20a motor, tranny and computer for like $3000... canadian that is. If u can tell me of a place in Ontario, Canada where I can find that for cheaper please tell me and I'll get it! Otherwise I can't afford to waste that much money!

Unfortunateley, I can't tell you anywhere to get a B20A with 5 speed right now. I wish I could, but I am still looking and have at least one lead from a place that claims to have them, but I am still trying to get some proof.

Assuming that the B20A is not an option, then the limited research I have done points to the B16A being not only cheaper, but very plentiful.

Which one is better is probably personal preference. If you don't mind revving your motor to make power and shifting a bit more often, then the B16 is your best bet.

85lude

11-01-2003, 11:44 AM

well my car is carbed not injected so i would need to know how to rig up vtec. i would run dual dcoe's on it.

Oakenfold

11-01-2003, 02:32 PM

Well the thing is I'm gonna really try to look around for a B20a and see if I can get it for a good price. As soon as I find a place it's done. But I'm also pressured for time because the original engine is starting to go. It's got 326,000km on board and since it's never been rebuilt it can't last much longer. It's already burning and leaking oil, and the timing belt needs to be replaced very very very soon cuz it's quite loud now!
So if I don't find a b20a within the next month I'm gonna have to go with the b16 or b18b1... Is the b16 a reliable engine? and can anyone tell me what results would u be able to get with it at the track (quarter mile)? That is a b16a in a 89, 2-door ex-i with intake and exhaust done...

pip

11-06-2003, 11:19 AM

dude i live in ajax i called a japanese place in scarborough they had a B20A for sale a couple months ago the engine was like 400 and tranny was 300 , place is in scarborough give em a shout and see if they have it still, i think its Tiger japanese engines

NXRacer

11-06-2003, 11:25 AM

one word.......

TURBO

and with seans setup, you wont have to convert to FI because the ignition system is standalone so you wont have to deal with your stock ECU. can you say 250 whp?????

look in my sig for details.

Oakenfold

11-06-2003, 02:39 PM

I need a new engine not turbo... I'm not looking for more power, just a newer engine that will go a little better than the one I have in there right now. And my engine is already FI so I don't have to convert anything anyway.
As for the B20A I will still be looking around. But if I am unable to find one has anyone heard of another Accord 3rd gen with a b18b1? and if yes then were there any problems while installing it or afterwards?

One thing I do not understand is how could a B20A engine which has to be imported from Japan be cheaper than a B18B1 which is easily found here and it's got less horses and torque??? makes no sense...

Gregg86DX

11-06-2003, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by Oakenfold
I need a new engine not turbo... I'm not looking for more power, just a newer engine that will go a little better than the one I have in there right now. And my engine is already FI so I don't have to convert anything anyway.
As for the B20A I will still be looking around. But if I am unable to find one has anyone heard of another Accord 3rd gen with a b18b1? and if yes then were there any problems while installing it or afterwards?

One thing I do not understand is how could a B20A engine which has to be imported from Japan be cheaper than a B18B1 which is easily found here and it's got less horses and torque??? makes no sense...

Supply and demand. Not much supply, but even less demand. Nobody but 3g Accord folks want these things and there are not many of us crazy enough to mod a 3g...:D

pip

11-06-2003, 02:57 PM

i dunno man but it was its probably gone now
it mite of been a lude B20A but it was a B20A

NXRacer

11-06-2003, 02:59 PM

there are couple members on this board with the b motor swap. it'll cost you about $1100 just for the axles, motor mounts and wiring harness/ecu. thats not including the motor.......

3rd GEN

11-06-2003, 03:05 PM

b18c1 all the way!!
thats the route i plan on going

Oakenfold

11-07-2003, 09:01 AM

B18c1 is that type r integra?
I've been calling around for the b20a but these people are having a hard time understanding what I'm talking about! They keep telling me about the b20a from 88-91 prelude! I keep telling them that it's not found here and that it comes from an 88-89 accord from japan!!!
Anyone with the b20a swap please tell me if there are any other mods that have to be done other then dropping the engine in!

3rd GEN

11-07-2003, 10:39 AM

nope.. b18c1 is gs-r motor
160hp with v-tec
b18c5 is type r

Oakenfold

11-08-2003, 01:51 PM

If you like the GS-R motor then why not look for the b20a instead!? it would be a much easier job and less expensive and just as or maybe even more powerfull... The b20a has more torque.

I finally found a mechanic I can trust. He's one of my friend's brother and has his own shop. He's looking for a b20a for me as we speak! Hopefully he'll find one soon and in about a month's time do the swap along with a new alternator and a new clutch.
That is unless the b20a comes with an alternator.

86dxAccord

11-10-2003, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by 3rd GEN
nope.. b18c1 is gs-r motor
160hp with v-tec
b18c5 is type r

B17a1 = 160hp & 117ft.lbs
B18c1 = 170hp @ 7600 128ft . lbs @ 7200

Justin86

11-11-2003, 12:07 AM

The B20a5 will give you the best for your money and it is easy to to. Unless you have a lot of time and money to drop a b-series it is not worth it or if you plan on getting some insane hp numbers but still a turboed b20 can still kick some serious ass. Run a search I remember a few months back that some place in Canada had a bunch with manual trannies for about $1200.

3rd GEN

11-11-2003, 11:11 AM

i was thinkin about b20 aswell.. but i'm set on a b18c1..
once i get it fully built witha turbo...that will be crazy :)

Oakenfold

11-11-2003, 02:10 PM

The thing is I don't even care that much about power. I mean I just want an engine right now because I love the car and the original engine is about to go. So I thought that I might as well get something that's a little stronger and will go when I want it to go. But 160 hp and 137 lb/ft torque is more than enough for me, along with the cold air intake I will put in and the muffler I already have.

Once the engine is all taken care of I will start saving for a paintjob (with saved side moldings). But there's still time until then. I'm still trying to find the b20a engine.

Oh and I almost forgot! Is the F2K5 the tranny for the second gen of b20as??? as in the 88-89 one!?

3rd GEN

11-12-2003, 10:35 AM

ya.. i love my A20...has 234,000km's on it.. and it goes like it has 100k
still very strong and pulls very well.. lots of power..
then again i drive it like it has v-tec..hahaha
my little secret:D