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Elijah
12-12-2003, 09:17 PM
I bought a new toy from Sean I should reseive it in the next week or two.Sorry I just had to let u guy's know.He seems like a really good guy to talk to.:super: :pimp:

mykwikcoupe
12-12-2003, 09:26 PM
so your not ever going to tell us what it is. TEASE

easyryder
12-12-2003, 09:26 PM
So what's the toy?

Elijah
12-12-2003, 09:38 PM
Turbo mani,Charge pipe and the down pipe.easy want to help me play.

mykwikcoupe
12-12-2003, 10:54 PM
I thought justin was selling that stuff. Is seans kit ready then for availablity?

Nospeed
12-12-2003, 11:00 PM
what the hell..........this is like the second thread that should be in off topic thats landed here.....

wait, its friday. nevermind!!! :)

blazin3gen
12-12-2003, 11:02 PM
lol i know whats wrong with u foo's ahahaha

Elijah
12-12-2003, 11:03 PM
I'am sure he can get u what u wan't or need.Just p.m him he is alot of help.

Elijah
12-14-2003, 05:34 PM
Is this thing ever getting expensive.All I have so far is.Sean's mani,charge pipe and down pipe.And I have a turbo smart blow off valve and oil,boost,water,air fuel,and nos gage.

Sean
12-14-2003, 08:47 PM
Jezz. stuff cost me money to you know.

Elijah
12-14-2003, 10:19 PM
Oh I know.I'am going to put a sticker on my car that says ''sponsord by my wife Holly''.

1988starter
12-15-2003, 03:38 AM
Originally posted by Elijah
Oh I know.I'am going to put a sticker on my car that says ''sponsord by my wife Holly''. :lol

glad to hear she is a good sport about this

Elijah
12-15-2003, 06:19 AM
Ya she is really patiant with me.But there is a cacth I'am buying her a 99 lude.She's going to boost aswell.

Elijah
02-13-2004, 03:39 PM
O.K it's been awhile since I gave an update.I will only update new things.I dont want to make a huge thread.

89SE-i Sedan.
Msd6al,Msd blaster ss coil,8.5mm magnecore wires,Turbo kit will be in today.
From Sean. And 2.5inch manderal bent down pipe no cat with apexi muffler.

89Ex-i Sedan.
Sparco seats,momo shifter and boot,camber kit and dc strut bar
Thats all thats new.The list of mods on this car will take forever.

88EX-i sedan.
Fivespeed swap,SE-i rims,pioneer head unit and jdm fin.Thats all that will be done with this car.

Look out for the 2 turbo sedans this summer there will be some rally nice #'s

NXRacer
02-13-2004, 03:41 PM
nice. another turbo 3g joins the fold. Hopefully by summer there will be a couple more. i wanna see some pics of your turbo kit installed.

Elijah
02-13-2004, 05:48 PM
And he gave her a................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ........













TURBO KIT :werd: :bow: to a girl

ps:thanx Sean this is holly by the way

I am the first girl with a turboed SE-i

Elijah
02-13-2004, 05:50 PM
I will make it a video!!

88turboaccord
02-13-2004, 06:13 PM
No you are not the first turboed SE-i sorry to burst your bubble on that one.. But nice that you joined the forced feed side...

Elijah
02-13-2004, 06:27 PM
Who has a SE-i turbo?

88turboaccord
02-13-2004, 10:21 PM
had is the question you should ask... Mr. Lee had one.. :tongue:

Dennis
02-13-2004, 10:27 PM
Mr Lee isn't a girl... :kekeke:

Elijah
02-13-2004, 10:43 PM
so i am not the first but the only. and thats good enough for me.
:tongue: :thumbup:

Elijah
02-13-2004, 10:44 PM
oh yeah and I am a Girl! sorry forgot to had that in opps

easyryder
02-13-2004, 10:50 PM
No you are not the first turboed SE-i sorry to burst your bubble on that one.. But nice that you joined the forced feed side...


UH She said first girl to turbo a SEi,,,,,,,,,Ya gotta read the fine print

Elijahs Girl
02-13-2004, 11:24 PM
At first I said the first turboed se-i never mind the first girl and he corrected me so I went and pushed edit.

RobT5580
02-14-2004, 10:09 AM
Well you can take the first running turbo Sei because Mike never got his going and parted it out sadly enough.

bobafett
02-14-2004, 11:26 AM
hey guys congrats

elijah/ elijahs girl, do u guys have msn instant messenger? id love to pick your brains! ;)

do u just have the parts, or is it hooked up and running turboed yet?

88turboaccord
02-14-2004, 11:38 AM
Go and change the wording around on me now.. Geeez.... Yeah Mike never got his running, but he had all the parts just like you.... :cheers:

Elijah
02-14-2004, 02:10 PM
This is Elijahs Girl: I have all my parts from sean and the kit is going on this week I think a bunch of us from Edmonton are getting together to do it. I am not sure on this I have to tak to Elijah. Seans kit is very simple if I had enough confidence I would try to do it my self but I will leave this part up to the guys.

Sean
02-14-2004, 02:57 PM
where are thgose pics ?

Elijah
02-14-2004, 03:07 PM
My wife was under my name again so I edit

Elijah
02-14-2004, 03:09 PM
I dont have all the comp hook ups for my digital camcorder yet I will by friday and I am going to post a video for all of you.

toastyghost
02-15-2004, 12:35 PM
had is the question you should ask... Mr. Lee had one.. :tongue:
but that was a b20a.. first girl with a turbo a20ax sei how about that?

skull1441
02-15-2004, 01:54 PM
whats going on ?

smufguy
02-16-2004, 03:53 PM
hmmm..... looking at this guy and gurl getting 3gs left and right, ur like the third chick i know who has a 3g as ur counterpart. Hmmmm...... i should tell my girl to ditch the GTS and get a 3g. well to be on topic again, nice to see a lot of people going for turbo. man......... i only wish i had that kinda money.

Elijah
02-17-2004, 03:11 AM
what kind of gts?? is it a celica? my wife had 2 of them they are junk

smufguy
02-17-2004, 07:49 AM
what kind of gts?? is it a celica? my wife had 2 of them they are junk

no its the corolla GTS. the one with the 4AGE motor. the one that also came with the older MR2s and the modified version of the motor was used on the Levin and Turenos. I got some of the car pics on my website. IT sucks that the car was sold to them by a dick head who tricked them into buying that pos. IT runs fine, but with a shit load of probs. I can help her bring that car back to where it was, But she wants another car. Its a fun car and handles like a dream even without any mods. 195 tires, mcphearson struts do their magic with race inspired seats. That 1.6L can haul ass if it wants to. :D

Dopefish
02-17-2004, 08:05 PM
Ive got an 85 corolla GTS, so I can vouch for the absolutely insane amout of ass it hauls. Ridiculous amount of power for such a small engine.


Apparently extremely easy to turbo, as well.

$mokenB'$
02-18-2004, 08:05 AM
how much is seans kit all together including all the little things?? are you running stock internals??

smufguy
02-18-2004, 09:32 AM
how much is seans kit all together including all the little things?? are you running stock internals??

you are a DX user, you should not be asking this question.

http://www.3geez.com/forumdisplay.php?f=4

also check his website at accordcentral

Bloodlust
02-18-2004, 10:21 AM
Sell that turbo to me. :D

Hondacrazy
04-09-2004, 10:39 AM
I am in on that. I will soon to be another turbo 3g. Elijah is helping me out with the details on it..

Elijah
05-19-2004, 10:08 PM
O.k well some of you may have read. That my car got striped. I have orderd and already got new stuff +. Anyway I'm gonna put the turbo kit in on june 14. Till then my interior is gonna be getting done. Then by time i'm done with the turbo my body kit should be in (big mouth) So I will mold it and get it painted. So by the end of june it will be done.

88accordhb
05-19-2004, 10:12 PM
sick elijah! can't wait...till then, keep us updated. sorry that your car got striped but hey, it's project time huh?

Elijah
05-20-2004, 03:34 PM
Oh ya no more sparcos. NEX now.

guaynabo89
05-20-2004, 06:21 PM
O.k well some of you may have read. That my car got striped. I have orderd and already got new stuff +. Anyway I'm gonna put the turbo kit in on june 14. Till then my interior is gonna be getting done. Then by time i'm done with the turbo my body kit should be in (big mouth) So I will mold it and get it painted. So by the end of june it will be done.


Thats alot to try to acomplish in just one month.

If your getting bodywork by a shp and not yourself expect the time to at least double and it usually triples. interor shops go with this trime frame also
.

good luck and post many many pics

Elijah
05-22-2004, 12:17 PM
I have a really good body man. He does alot of the show cars here in Edmonton. He gives me a really good deal. And I help him and we get it done in about a week week and a half. The intiorer my wifes dad does so he is helping my wife. And they are doing it right now. And I know the guy's at Apex performance. And we are gonna be doing the turbo together. We are gonna start on June 14th. And it should take us about 3-5 days. So the paint and kit will be done right after it comes out of Apex

lightbulblxi
05-22-2004, 09:43 PM
nice man, cant wait to see it, BTW, what ever happened with that whole"getting a skyline thing"?

MIK3
05-22-2004, 10:41 PM
Yeah. I was just about to ask that as well...

Anyway, good luck with your whole project and all, post many pics when done.

my86dx4dr
05-22-2004, 10:44 PM
turbo the accord?........wasnt there something said about you getting pulled over and not having a license?.,.......wouldnt you get that first?

Elijah
05-22-2004, 11:20 PM
turbo the accord?........wasnt there something said about you getting pulled over and not having a license?.,.......wouldnt you get that first?

I dont drive my accord. I honestly dont even know why I have it I just love it my wife drives it every now and then. I have only put 15,000 Km on my car in 3 1/2 years.

Skyline seemed like TOO much of a headache and it seemed like I was going to get ripped off I would rather spend that money on my accord. Dont worry there will be a rwd monster soon. First I need a suv for my wife.

Elijah
05-22-2004, 11:21 PM
I will get my license as soon as they let me

MIK3
05-22-2004, 11:59 PM
What happened with the whole license ordeal?

Elijah
05-23-2004, 12:11 AM
It origanaly got suspended for demirits/pionts. Anyway
every time you get caught driveing while under suspension it's and automatic six month suspension. So long story short I should have had it back along time ago.
But danm six months x how ever many times adds up
I dont get speeding tickets or anything like that. When i get pulled over it's just for driveing. So I say give it back and everything is cool.

Elijah
07-03-2004, 05:38 PM
If someone can host them for me.The car is almost done.The turbo is done.My new springs should be in wensday.We are gonna put them on.
Then put it on the dyno.The seat rails should be in by friday.I already have my body kit so it's comeing from this shop to the body shop.The kit will be molded.Color will most likely be blue.Yes it's stainless down pipe all the way back.Anyway someone please post them for me.

adams86lxi
07-03-2004, 05:53 PM
send them to [email protected] ill host them! I got to see these!

Elijah
07-03-2004, 06:13 PM
Sent.The charge pipe and gauges are not in in the pics.There is a pic of the dyno.That it's going on.

Elijah
07-03-2004, 06:14 PM
And yes it's really dirty it has been sitting a really long time and has been broken into and stripped since it was last cleaned.

adams86lxi
07-03-2004, 06:17 PM
alright let me get them!

adams86lxi
07-03-2004, 06:20 PM
hmm? it says i have no new emails? Can you send them again? This is kinda weird. [email protected]

Elijah
07-03-2004, 06:43 PM
sent again

adams86lxi
07-03-2004, 06:49 PM
man this is making me mad i want to see them but it isnt working it still says i have no new emails! If you want you can send them to my other email and see if that works [email protected] or just wait for someone else to try.

Elijah
07-03-2004, 06:53 PM
wanna check the first email now? I sent 2 just to see first

adams86lxi
07-03-2004, 06:54 PM
alright i got them now! just a sec ill post them!

Elijah
07-03-2004, 06:55 PM
i will send the rest right now

adams86lxi
07-03-2004, 06:56 PM
Here is the first one! http://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v148/adams86lxi/01110025.jpg

88accordhb
07-03-2004, 06:59 PM
holy SHAKA ZULU beans elijah, nice! diggin it, maybe a better pic of the bay will further in interest.

adams86lxi
07-03-2004, 07:00 PM
a few more: http://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v148/adams86lxi/01110026.jpg

http://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v148/adams86lxi/01110021.jpg

http://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v148/adams86lxi/01110020.jpg

Elijah
07-03-2004, 07:01 PM
I sent 10 I'm sure he will post them.I will get it cleaned up after the body shop and take more pics.Thanks Adam

adams86lxi
07-03-2004, 07:04 PM
more: http://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v148/adams86lxi/01110019.jpg

http://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v148/adams86lxi/01110017.jpg

http://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v148/adams86lxi/01110018.jpg

adams86lxi
07-03-2004, 07:10 PM
and the last one! their probally out of order though:

http://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v148/adams86lxi/01110024.jpg

http://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v148/adams86lxi/01110023.jpg

http://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v148/adams86lxi/01110022.jpg

http://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v148/adams86lxi/01110016.jpg

adams86lxi
07-03-2004, 07:12 PM
I can probally resize them too if anyone needs them smaller! Good work Elijah! I love it!

Elijah
07-03-2004, 07:14 PM
Thanks again adam.And agian it was stripped my sparcos where stolen a lot of stuff was stolen.So it's in rebuild stage.

adams86lxi
07-03-2004, 07:16 PM
Thanks again adam.And agian it was stripped my sparcos where stolen a lot of stuff was stolen.So it's in rebuild stage.


no problem man! that sucks about the stuff that was stolen, but i still love it!

89cordlx
07-03-2004, 08:24 PM
I want my exhaust redone, thanks haha.

bullard123
07-03-2004, 08:45 PM
How much did the turbo cost??? Did you install it yourself, and how much horsepower does it give you?? I;m curious because I'm seriously thinking about getting one. Oh,by the way the car looks awesome,especially the engine bay.

Elijah
07-03-2004, 09:16 PM
Well a turbo setup can get really expensive.After all said and done I spent atleast $5000 Canadian.I'm not even close to being done with the motor though.And HP all depends on how many pounds I run.I would contact your local performance shop and see if they can make you a manifold and charge pipe and down pipe.Just tell tell them you want boost.Start with a basic setup and work your way up.

FatDave
07-03-2004, 09:38 PM
:rockon: looking good man, making want to commit some crimes to get the money to turbo my hatch, hehe...with all the natural weight reduction (rust) it would be great :lol:

Justin86
07-03-2004, 10:14 PM
well it my not be the cleanest car I have see, but who gives a shit when it's fast. :D

Elijah
07-03-2004, 10:31 PM
well it my not be the cleanest car I have see, but who gives a shit when it's fast. :D

I know it looks like ass at the moment.It was parked for almost a year and about a month ago it got stripped.I had made a thread about it.They got the n20 the seats well that list goes on and on.Wait about a month mabey less
It will have a new coat a dress.And mabey the inside will be all done.

Elijah
07-04-2004, 01:15 AM
I thought there would be more interest.

SteveDX89
07-04-2004, 05:12 AM
I thought there would be more interest.

Can't really see a turbo in there? A few pics of the manifold with the turbo hanging off of it should spike some interest.

bobafett
07-04-2004, 08:09 AM
hey elijah are u using the motor that sean built for you yet? it looks like his manifold~ heheh ;)

let me know when u get it on the road, and to the track. i ditched my turbo accord dreams for a sr20det s13.... :( but i still am interested...

if it runs 13.00 or better i may have to reconsider! lol

Busted_Blue
07-04-2004, 08:22 AM
i'm just curious but the gray one is turbo and got the racing seats. What does the blue one with the dohc sticker have. I sure hope it has what it says it has. :D

good work, can't wait to see what kind of numbers this setup makes.

SteveDX89
07-04-2004, 08:36 AM
i'm just curious but the gray one is turbo and got the racing seats. What does the blue one with the dohc sticker have. I sure hope it has what it says it has. :D

good work, can't wait to see what kind of numbers this setup makes.

The blue car is a Neon.

Elijah
07-04-2004, 10:18 AM
If you look under the blue car you will see the rollers.That is te dyno.My car comes off the hoist and on to the dyno.And for the motor from sean it did not happen.I dont know what he did or if he even built it.Yes the mani is from Sean but what a pain in the ass nothing fit right.

HondaBoy
07-04-2004, 10:50 AM
ok, i was going to say something. yeah, i'm interested in it. dont wanna sound like i'm puttin the car down, but you gotta do away with that light blue in the engine compartment. darker blue would be good, less of a rice blue. i dunno, but its definately a sleeper right now, nobody would be expecting that as of what you can see to do anything less than 16 seconds. lol. so you spend around $5000 on the whole turbo set up? i'm guessing you did more than just a simple kit. would it be possible to list things you did to prices? that would be cool and give us some ideas.

Elijah
07-04-2004, 12:18 PM
Call it rice if you want.I know everybody has there own opinion.But it was supposed to be a darker blue like my BOV blue but it didnt work ut that way.Mabey in the winter when I put the new motor in.I will repaint all the stuff.I still have alot of stuff to do.

guaynabo89
07-04-2004, 01:07 PM
Yes the mani is from Sean but what a pain in the ass nothing fit right.


Can you elaborate on this? Why didnt it fit good?

Elijah
07-04-2004, 01:26 PM
The charge pipe was way off had to be shortend and twisted when we cut it.The mani was shortend about a inch at the least.I dont know if it because I have a t3/t4 turbo
and the mani was desighned for a t3.But when the turbo is on the mani it would hit the radiator thus not fitting.And the manifold was a little crooked so would not bolt onto the head the flat part that bolts on the head was not flat.It flexed from when I assume he welded it.So ya it was not a bolt on and go at all.

Robs89LXi
07-04-2004, 01:48 PM
Real nice, Elijah. I know you've realy put a lot into this car, and have been very patient doing it too. Good job. Have you cranked it yet? What else do you have left as far as getting it running? What engine management did you end up using? Yeah, you'll have to put together a parts list for us when you get some time. I haven't even got my engine rebuilt yet, as I'm still waiting on my wrist pins from Diamond, but I hope they will be here soon (this week?). Then, watch out!

Elijah
07-04-2004, 01:59 PM
I only have a vortech FMU right now.That is all I will be useing this summer.As for parts list I will have one up for tomorrow.I have to think about everything.

Neuspeed87lx
07-04-2004, 01:59 PM
whats done to the internals ? i hope everything goes well with the project.... i know how much of a pain turbo's can be ....goodluck man

Oyvind Ryeng
07-04-2004, 03:25 PM
About the seat rails; does Sparco make ones that will fit the 3G? Or maybe 4G-ones can be used?

(My very own Sparco Sprints are just taking up space in the basement right now :()

Elijah
07-04-2004, 03:29 PM
Ya they do.Just look on there site.

wikkedv15
07-04-2004, 09:40 PM
lol.. i thought seans shit was suppost to be the best??? u should of taken pics of it.. before u modified the shit to work....


anyway.. i sold my third gen as of friday.. the 2nd.... someone else is gonna boost it..
long story short.. im having beau from homemadeturbo.com build the manifold.. since his shit doesnt flex.. and will fit right.. teeehheehe lol.

Elijah
07-05-2004, 12:13 AM
I should have.But if you look on his site.And look at my pics you will see how much we changed the charge pipe.That is my charge pipe on his site.

shepherd79
07-05-2004, 02:29 AM
the one problem is that Sean using 86-87 intake manifold and you have 88-89 dual stage intake manifold. they are diff. so comnination of using diff turbo and diff intake manifold could cause parts not to fit right.

Robs89LXi
07-05-2004, 04:15 AM
Kinda lost me there... what does the different intake manifold have to do with the exhaust manifold and downpipe not fitting?

Sean
07-05-2004, 09:21 AM
The charge pipe was way off had to be shortend and twisted when we cut it.The mani was shortend about a inch at the least.I dont know if it because I have a t3/t4 turbo
and the mani was desighned for a t3.But when the turbo is on the mani it would hit the radiator thus not fitting.And the manifold was a little crooked so would not bolt onto the head the flat part that bolts on the head was not flat.It flexed from when I assume he welded it.So ya it was not a bolt on and go at all.


Well had you used the turbos i siad would fit thee would have been no need to modify anything. i told you up front the rad fans had to be removed and a 10 inch slimilne installed . if you did not do the things i had told you would be nessacary to install the kit then you created your own problem.s the manifold has a built in twist to it to make the o2 housing of the dodge turbo sit flat so the charge pipe would easily mate up. you created your own problems.

you motor has been built for a while ive sent you sevral PM's and being as you have no email account i cant contact you any other way.

If you dont like the turbo selection then dont buy thei kits. i told you numerous time where you could get a turbo that would fit. you didnt want to spend the money. you contacted me numerous time about turbos i tolod you wouldnt fit.

again all things from the begining i was very clear about.

HondaBoy
07-05-2004, 10:02 AM
interesting agian. anyway, i'm just suggesting that another shade of blue would dress up the engine nicely. dont know if your going the way of looking like you spend some money, but anodized blue is a nice way to go. how about a darker blue like on the pic of the oil pump i posted. i've seen the spray paint on valve covers in this shade. looks really fine. this is similar to what color my fuel filter's fittings are. i'd consider doing my valve cover in anodized red once i get it blasted and cleaned up. my other choices were powder coating it or using high temp engine paint.
http://www.sracing.com/srblock2.jpg

Elijah
07-05-2004, 10:12 AM
Well had you used the turbos i siad would fit thee would have been no need to modify anything. i told you up front the rad fans had to be removed and a 10 inch slimilne installed . if you did not do the things i had told you would be nessacary to install the kit then you created your own problem.s the manifold has a built in twist to it to make the o2 housing of the dodge turbo sit flat so the charge pipe would easily mate up. you created your own problems.

you motor has been built for a while ive sent you sevral PM's and being as you have no email account i cant contact you any other way.

If you dont like the turbo selection then dont buy thei kits. i told you numerous time where you could get a turbo that would fit. you didnt want to spend the money. you contacted me numerous time about turbos i tolod you wouldnt fit.

again all things from the begining i was very clear about.


Like I said the manifold could me my fault from useing a bigger turbo.The distance part anyway.But the curved ovel what ever you want to call it flange that bolts to the motor was like that.But the charge pipe would never have fit.When attacthed to the intake manifold it would run right into the front motor mount.So it would never hook up.Sean I have never receaved one pm from you in a long time..I have asked you to pm me your # or for you to call me.And I have a E-mail account.

Elijah
07-05-2004, 10:15 AM
interesting agian. anyway, i'm just suggesting that another shade of blue would dress up the engine nicely. dont know if your going the way of looking like you spend some money, but anodized blue is a nice way to go. how about a darker blue like on the pic of the oil pump i posted. i've seen the spray paint on valve covers in this shade. looks really fine. this is similar to what color my fuel filter's fittings are. i'd consider doing my valve cover in anodized red once i get it blasted and cleaned up. my other choices were powder coating it or using high temp engine paint.
http://www.sracing.com/srblock2.jpg


That is the same color.I was going for look at my fmu on the fire wall.And look at my fuel pressure regulater and bov.They are all that color.I will just have to redo my vavle cover and charge pipe.

HondaBoy
07-05-2004, 10:16 AM
wait, on accordcentral, dosent it tell you to replace the front mount? did you get the replacement mount? could have sworn i read that, and they make one for it. i'd like to throw some money into my 3gee here soon. if i get my dakota shelby to drive around, then i can park the 3gee and start building it up. sounds like turbo projects can be more stressful than one would think eh?

Elijah
07-05-2004, 10:23 AM
Yes I got the new mount.It is not actual the mount though it is the part that conects to the mount on the top of it.It bolt's to the motor and the top of the stock mount.

Elijah
07-05-2004, 10:28 AM
Dont get me wrong.Sean know's his stuff or I would never have done bis with him.
He is a verey busy guy.And like I said haveing to shorting the mani.Could be my fault because he did make it clear that it was besighned to hold a t3 turbo.And not my t3/t4
Witch is of course a bigger turbo.I have never compared the 2 side by side or anything.But if the t3 is 1-1 1/2 inchs smaller then it would have fit.

Robs89LXi
07-05-2004, 10:37 AM
So do you have it running yet?

Elijah
07-05-2004, 10:40 AM
By the end of the day.I wont put it on the dyno just yet.I still have my ghetto cut springs.My new ones will be in by wensday so after I change them it will go on.I hope to get 200hp.For now till my motor gets done.

86LXItooFAST4me
07-05-2004, 11:20 AM
hey man, nice job! but hom much boost are you running? i didnt see anywhere the lbs.

Elijah
07-05-2004, 11:24 AM
Only 8 for now.

Sean
07-05-2004, 11:25 AM
ive got a t3/t4 on my car and the manifold which is identical to yours fit with no trouble. if you were having instilation problems you should have called you have my number. im sure i could have saved you loads of work. yes with a t3/t4 the only modifcation that would need to be done is to the charge pipe and as long as you stuck with a dodge turbine housing(mentioned numerous times on the site and by me by phone ) and o2 housing the downpipe would have fit no problem as well. we now have a charge pipe for the t/3t4 if you tell us which compressor a/r you have. Elijah just call me next time. If something didnt fit right we could have helped you out. but being as all parts are fit tested on a jig car i dont see where you could have had trouble.

86LXItooFAST4me
07-05-2004, 11:26 AM
you dont have any HP specs or track times yet do you? just curious.

Sean
07-05-2004, 11:28 AM
Yes I got the new mount.It is not actual the mount though it is the part that conects to the mount on the top of it.It bolt's to the motor and the top of the stock mount.


I see where you ran into trouble. the mount bracket we sent doenst fit on the stock mount. im 100% sure i mentioned this numerous times. there have been sevral people who have called me and ive explianed numoerus times that that backet works with a chevy transmission mount. had you called im sure this whole situation could have been resolved. next time send mail. and your motor is done.

We are currently working on installtion Mpegs and videos and we are revamping the site. until then if anyone has questions contact me directly. we dont need any moe confusion.

the manifold will fit a to4e 60 a/r compessor housing with room to spare.

Robs89LXi
07-05-2004, 11:33 AM
Man, that will be great. Keep us updated for sure.

Elijah
07-05-2004, 11:37 AM
The down pipe fit with no problem.It is a dodge houseing.This is the first I heard about a different mount ohwell.I'm just happy to have it all done.And Sean I lost ur # please pm me it.

86LXItooFAST4me
07-05-2004, 11:40 AM
hey Sean, is my head and intake and TB done yet? lol

nismoracer99
07-05-2004, 02:53 PM
what turbo is it?? is it from Accord Central or K-modify?

Sean
07-05-2004, 03:57 PM
hey Sean, is my head and intake and TB done yet? lol


Actually the seats were cut today the valves will be done tommoow then it goes to the flow bench. if all goes well friday it should ship out.

wprocomp
07-05-2004, 05:06 PM
hey sean when you use the diamond pistons,can you use a stock honda ring or do the pistons come with new rings,if so do the rings need to be grinded down to fit?

86LXItooFAST4me
07-06-2004, 06:24 AM
Actually the seats were cut today the valves will be done tommoow then it goes to the flow bench. if all goes well friday it should ship out.

COOLNESS!! thankx man!

HondaBoy
07-06-2004, 01:36 PM
hey Elijah, does it throw you back into your seat pretty good? i'd love to have that feeling with my 3gee, long ways off though.

Elijah
07-06-2004, 08:54 PM
I have yet to drive it.The springs should be in tomorrow.We are praying we are supossed to have it at the track friday.The seat rails arent in yet either.Trust me we are trying.It's alot of work.If the springs are in tomorrow it will be on the dyno tommorow and at the track friday.I dont car if I have to go to the junk yard and get a stock seat for it.

nismoracer99
07-06-2004, 09:10 PM
cool i cant wait to see the power it has!! :D

edit: im post #69 :rockon:

Elijah
07-06-2004, 09:54 PM
I have a boost controller.So I hope to see if I can run 12ponds at the track.

shepherd79
07-07-2004, 04:13 AM
let hope you don't blow your engine. i don't see how you will retard the timing with boost increasing. i can see the DETONATION in the future. i want to see how long it will be before you blew your motor.

Elijah
07-07-2004, 10:44 AM
I'm in the middle of building another motor as we speak.

Coroncho80
07-07-2004, 12:35 PM
Very interesting ............... :kekeke:

NXRacer
07-07-2004, 12:38 PM
Very interesting ............... :kekeke:
hater

Coroncho80
07-07-2004, 12:47 PM
hater


hahahaha not at all man. I feel the pain that Elijah has gone through. I've been through there myself. I just said that its ............. Interesting. So let me get this straight:


You are planning on running 8 psi daily and 12 @ the track with only and FMU & stock injectors? What are the specs on the stock 88-89 injectors? 210 cc?? What kind of FMU? the 10:1 or 12:1?

NXRacer
07-07-2004, 12:50 PM
hahahaha not at all man. I feel the pain that Elijah has gone through. I've been through there myself. I just said that its ............. Interesting. So let me get this straight:
guess i shoulda put a smiley next to it......:rolleyes: :D



You are planning on running 8 psi daily and 12 @ the track with only and FMU & stock injectors? What are the specs on the stock 88-89 injectors? 210 cc?? What kind of FMU? the 10:1 or 12:1?
yah elijah, you'll deff need to upgrade your injectors at least if you havent already. are you running seans ECU? or something else. . . . . .like everybody else, i'll be waiting for some numbers.

Elijah
07-07-2004, 06:07 PM
No stock injectors.24lb injectors and bigger pump.

Oyvind Ryeng
07-07-2004, 07:58 PM
24lb = ??? ccm/min?

shepherd79
07-08-2004, 03:26 AM
actually stock injectors are 235cc. you can download Accel injector table and look up.
download accel cat. http://go.mrgasket.com/Catalogs.aspx?brandId=3
scroll down to page 230. and look for yourself.

Coroncho80
07-08-2004, 07:46 AM
actually stock injectors are 235cc. you can download Accel injector table and look up.
download accel cat. http://go.mrgasket.com/Catalogs.aspx?brandId=3
scroll down to page 230. and look for yourself.


Ok, so they are 230 cc ........ Even with a bigger pump (which pump?) and an FMU ( still dont know if 10:1 or 12:1) its not enough for 12 psi ...... Maybe its different with the A20 :ugh:

Elijah
07-08-2004, 05:16 PM
let hope you don't blow your engine. i don't see how you will retard the timing with boost increasing. i can see the DETONATION in the future. i want to see how long it will be before you blew your motor.

We do have a dyno to tune it on.I'm not just gonna go blind!!!

AccordEpicenter
07-08-2004, 05:53 PM
well yea they are 235cc or 240cc injectors... Guys FMU is not great managemant and will not be stable at anything above 6-7psi, thats IT... 12psi forget it. Plus you need boost retard unless you like ringlands owning you. An Apexi SAFC with 450cc 1G DSM injectors, upgraded fuel pump, MSD BTM (or equivalent boost retard device) are the MINIMUM youll need to support 8-10psi but you wont be able to go much over that, maybe 11psi... or whever the ecu throws a code. Dont skimp on managemant folks, the next step up is stand alone or a setup like seans... all of it costs money but itll save your engine in the long run, as will dyno tuning and a wideband A/F gauge

shepherd79
07-08-2004, 05:56 PM
it doesn't matter if you have dyno. you can build very strong engine, but if you don't have right fuel/ignition control you will detonate that motor like crazy and blow it.
i would highly recomend for you to get Sean's ECU kit or go with stand a lone system.

Elijah
07-08-2004, 07:02 PM
I will do some thinking I might just throw the tec3 in I already have it brand new in the box sitting in my garage. I am only going to run 8psi until my motor is done.

Elijah
07-08-2004, 07:07 PM
By the way I am not going "cheap" on my managment Im still learning it was what was recomedned for my set up. I am only running this engine once at the track and no street driving other than one meet june 17th other than that it wont be driven. I will see how it all turns out I can make or upgrade any problems during the winter.

HondaBoy
07-08-2004, 08:39 PM
if you do have to go grab some seats from the junk yard, how about some prelude seats? i know mine are pretty nice, i've got 3rd gen lude seats. they are adjustable, and hold you in pretty good around corners and stuff. not as good at 4th and 5th gen seats, but still compareable.

Elijah
07-08-2004, 08:57 PM
thanks anyway but we are going to get them just not by friday. the springs came in a day late so the car wont be done until around the 15th anyway so that gives us enough time to mount the seats and order harnesses.

Oyvind Ryeng
07-09-2004, 09:29 AM
i know mine are pretty nice, i've got 3rd gen lude seats.
Are those bolt-on?

accordlxi2.0
07-09-2004, 02:36 PM
what's with the noen in the last shot??

Elijah
07-10-2004, 11:08 AM
The shop my car is at.The guys are neon guru's.But I was actaully taking a pic of the dyno.

Cheeseburger
07-10-2004, 11:22 AM
holly shit man looking really good

Hash_man_Se_i
07-10-2004, 01:25 PM
Wow, I havent been on this site in a while... car looks like its coming along great elijah... I can't wait to see it at an Alberta meet. I find out on Monday about the injury money from my recent accident... so I may have a swap to compete with you on the way soon. :D

Elijah
07-10-2004, 01:29 PM
Hash did you check the alberta meet.We are trying to have it down south for you.

Robs89LXi
07-12-2004, 11:04 AM
Elijah, do you have a pic looking straight down at the top of the exhaust manifold? I would like to see just how much room there is between the block and the cooling fans when the turbo is in there. Think you can post one, or send it to me via email?
Thanks.

Vinny
07-12-2004, 11:12 AM
Rob, if you want to see the clearances with Seans recommended setup the pics are HERE (http://3geez.asmallorange.com/showthread.php?t=26922)

Robs89LXi
07-12-2004, 11:26 AM
Yeah, thanks Vinny. I remember those, but I just wanted to see how much bigger the T3/T4 looked in there. Those wern't the clearest pics either :).

Elijah
07-12-2004, 11:29 AM
Yeah, thanks Vinny. I remember those, but I just wanted to see how much bigger the T3/T4 looked in there. Those wern't the clearest pics either :).

I

Robs89LXi
07-12-2004, 12:10 PM
LOL . You were about to say? LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL.

Elijah
07-12-2004, 12:36 PM
I'm to nice and dont like to hurt feelings LOL

smufguy
07-15-2004, 07:56 AM
yo elijah, i meant to talk to you about it. Nice set up man, I would like to see more pics and a clear description of the problems ur having.

Oh by the way Vinny, the old thread you posted has pics that i can see with NO radiator fans, kinda beats the installed pic clearance right? or am i not seeing any invisible fans?

Also, isnt that TEC 3 for me? Seems like u never got my pms. Have to catch you online then. Dude, dont u touch it :kekeke: ill kill u, ur money should be in for it by sept atleast. :)

Elijah
07-15-2004, 12:12 PM
I have another manegment.So if you want it it is here.I dont need it I got 2.

Robs89LXi
07-15-2004, 12:25 PM
So, Elijah, any dyno run yet?

Elijah
07-15-2004, 01:42 PM
tonight. we were waiting on a bushing. i will have all dyno times tonight.

Elijah
07-22-2004, 03:17 PM
Just got back from the dyno. 161.39 whp. 151.78 torque. 7psi. Running stoich accross.

AccordAddict
07-22-2004, 03:30 PM
Damn! what do you have under the hood???

Elijah
07-22-2004, 03:34 PM
turbo

NXRacer
07-22-2004, 03:39 PM
Damn! what do you have under the hood???

turbo
hah hah.

those numbers seem kinda low on 7psi. but i dont know much about HP gains on these motors so i guess its not that bad. Can you post up the dyno sheets? It would be interesting to see the power curve and stuff.

shepherd79
07-22-2004, 04:13 PM
it is definatly too low.

Elijah
07-22-2004, 05:35 PM
How is this too low? stock on the dyno here is around 80whp.

Elijah
07-22-2004, 05:37 PM
I didnt bulid my car too impress anyone but me and I think personally doubling my whp is good. We cant forget hear say is shit until you see times and numbers on paper. I also have no weight reduction. No injectors and no motor work this is a stock engine.

accordlxi2.0
07-22-2004, 05:38 PM
shit i would be happy with those number's.
since it a 3g

AccordEpicenter
07-22-2004, 05:38 PM
[QUOTE]those numbers seem kinda low on 7psi. but i dont know much about HP gains on these motors so i guess its not that bad. Can you post up the dyno sheets? It would be interesting to see the power curve and stuff.
no thats not too low... Elijah arent you unintercooled as well? Whats your fuel managemant? Hes prolly pulling about 185hp at the crank... Unintercooled 7psi thats pretty damn good... Make sure your intake manifold air doors stay open all the time, so just pull the vaccuum line off of the pretec dashpot actuator for that.

Elijah
07-22-2004, 05:38 PM
hah hah.

those numbers seem kinda low on 7psi. but i dont know much about HP gains on these motors so i guess its not that bad. Can you post up the dyno sheets? It would be interesting to see the power curve and stuff.

I will post some tonite

Elijah
07-22-2004, 05:50 PM
Well with the GM ecm kit this manifold and a 50 trim dodge t3 garret turbo ive made 225whp at 13psi of boost. so thats what it take to make that sort of power. I highly doubt youd be able to make that sort of power IE with a log or with the factory EFI. hence the reason ive gone to all the trouble of creating the after market for these cars.

This is Seans whp post. So figure I am at 161 whp at 7 psi and he is at 225whp at 13 psi.

Coroncho80
07-22-2004, 05:56 PM
Once again ..........



Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :D

Elijah
07-22-2004, 05:57 PM
No intercooler. bigger pump, fmu and fpr for fuel managment.

AccordEpicenter
07-22-2004, 06:00 PM
yeah id say that sounds about right. Stock exhaust or 2.5" 3" whats that setup?

Elijah
07-22-2004, 06:19 PM
2.5 stainless mandrel bend apexi muffler

AccordEpicenter
07-22-2004, 06:24 PM
when you mean stoich... did you have a wideband o2 at your disposal? if i were you id run around a 12.5/1 A/F ratio... What is considered stoich for N/A is no good for F/I engines

Elijah
07-22-2004, 06:27 PM
Ii ran almost a 13.0 all the way across a little drop around 4000rpm - 12.5

AccordEpicenter
07-22-2004, 06:33 PM
ok thats not too bad, are you running stock ignition timing or slightly retarded or boost retard (msd btm or equivalent)? Also did you disable the intake manifold runner butterflies?

Elijah
07-22-2004, 09:24 PM
The only ignition upgrade I have.Is msd sci and msd blaster2 coil.How do you disable the butterflies?

Accordtheory
07-22-2004, 10:05 PM
First, props for getting another 3g turbo together. Very cool. Now there are 4 of us, I guess. you, me, sean, and johnny. As far as the butterflies, don't disable them, they function for a reason. When I had that 2 stage piece of shit (sorry) I played around with the activation rpm, I think somewhere over 4K is what i ended up with. If you switch them open earlier you just lose low rpm torque. I can't believe you are running the stock timing without getting any knock.? I should post a pic of one of my old pistons... Be careful! 7psi+no intercooler+stock timing+ not using much fuel for cooling (you said around 13:1)= not much of a margin of safety. I think that a boost dependent retard is something you can't really do without, for now. Are you going to upgrade your engine management in the near future? Also if you measured your egt when you were tuning, I would be curious to know what it was

86LXItooFAST4me
07-22-2004, 10:09 PM
horse Shit!

Elijah
07-22-2004, 11:52 PM
horse Shit!

What are you trying to say?

86LXItooFAST4me
07-23-2004, 06:09 AM
lol, is your engine stock? you just have a turbo and exhaust? or is it heavly modded?

carotman
07-23-2004, 06:41 AM
160 WHP is really good I think... a stock Accord will put close to 90...

Elijah
07-23-2004, 11:16 AM
The motor is stock.I have NO knock.I have another motor we are just waiting on parts to get it in to the machine shop.It will be done over the winter.

Elijah
07-23-2004, 11:55 AM
I took a pic of the dyno sheet does some one want to post it for me?

Elijah
07-23-2004, 11:23 PM
I also have new pics of the set up can someone host for me please

shepherd79
07-24-2004, 03:48 AM
send it to me. [email protected]

Justin86
07-24-2004, 08:07 AM
glad to see another turbo 3G, but can you control the power, aka suspenion and braking?

88accordhb
07-24-2004, 09:07 AM
dang elijah, i believe you and those are very decent #'s for stock motor boosted. congrats, hope everythin will be ok gettin the other motor bullet proof.

Elijah
07-24-2004, 11:24 AM
I sent you 3 of the dyno I am going to go take some of the setup and I will send them to you asap

Elijah
07-24-2004, 11:56 AM
engine pics are sent too thanks

Elijah
07-24-2004, 11:58 AM
glad to see another turbo 3G, but can you control the power, aka suspenion and braking?

I got rid of the ghetto suspension and got some sprints and monroes for shocks and struts they are smooth.

For braking still stock. I am trying to rob my wifes rear discs.

Elijah
07-24-2004, 11:59 AM
dang elijah, i believe you and those are very decent #'s for stock motor boosted. congrats, hope everythin will be ok gettin the other motor bullet proof.

thanks

A20A1
07-24-2004, 03:08 PM
I think those are awesome numbers... maybe not for HP but for what really counts, and that is the TQ #'s.

Good job Elijah. :D

Elijah
07-24-2004, 04:13 PM
I dont know how some people think there not good.The avereage turbo car gets 10whp per pound of boost.Thanks for the comments everybody.

bullard123
07-24-2004, 04:22 PM
What is the horsepower on a stock EX-I?? Just curious.

Elijah
07-24-2004, 04:54 PM
80 90 if your lucky. I will dyno my wifes se-i on monday and let you know the exact #.

bobafett
07-24-2004, 05:36 PM
thats badass congratulations elijah~ next i need a qtr mile report!

Elijah
07-24-2004, 06:18 PM
I tryed to make it last night.But I was to busy.So next friday I will.

Elijah
07-26-2004, 06:52 PM
Can someone please host these for me??

Robs89LXi
07-26-2004, 06:53 PM
LOL. Clear your PMs. You have too many for me to reply to. :)

Now I'm a foundation member, I should be able to post (I think). Send them to [email protected], and I'll try.

Elijah
07-26-2004, 07:02 PM
sorry sent them thanks

Robs89LXi
07-26-2004, 07:12 PM
sorry sent them thanks

Okay, here goes:

Robs89LXi
07-26-2004, 07:13 PM
More:

Robs89LXi
07-26-2004, 07:14 PM
Even more:

Elijah
07-26-2004, 07:34 PM
Before anybody flames about my setup show me yours.And I have NO knock and the car runs like a champ

Robs89LXi
07-26-2004, 07:35 PM
Damned, Elijah, did your HP line ever level off? It looks like it just climbs straight off the chart! What rpms were you at when you made peak?

Elijah
07-26-2004, 07:35 PM
Thanks again Rob

Elijah
07-26-2004, 07:37 PM
The hp road straight from 4k on.We got it down.We tuned it and we got a contstant hp between 157 and 161.Thows 3 are the first 3.We where still working on the tuning with fuel.

Robs89LXi
07-26-2004, 07:45 PM
1. How much boost were you running?
2. How does the car idle?
3. Did the engine show any signs of overheating?
4. What are you using for timing management? How much retard?
5. How does it idle?
6. Internal wastegate? Odd looking vacuum canister. Adjustable?
7. Are you running colder plugs?

AccordAddict
07-26-2004, 07:55 PM
what kinda intake is that, never seen a setup like that.

AccordEpicenter
07-26-2004, 07:56 PM
that curve doesnt look right to me... you either have timing issues or fuel probs... it should fatten up in the 4-5k range

Elijah
07-26-2004, 08:41 PM
1. How much boost were you running?
2. How does the car idle?
3. Did the engine show any signs of overheating?
4. What are you using for timing management? How much retard?
5. How does it idle?
6. Internal wastegate? Odd looking vacuum canister. Adjustable?
7. Are you running colder plugs?


1. 7psi
2. perfect
3. none what so ever
4. no timing managment
5. pefrect
6. stock wastgate, what are u talking about? the bov?
7.yes

Elijah
07-26-2004, 08:42 PM
that curve doesnt look right to me... you either have timing issues or fuel probs... it should fatten up in the 4-5k range

the graph is only to 6 k

Elijah
07-26-2004, 08:43 PM
what kinda intake is that, never seen a setup like that.

are u lost?

Robs89LXi
07-26-2004, 09:32 PM
6. stock wastgate, what are u talking about? the bov?


No, I meant that blue waste gate actuator you have. Isn't that the vacuum port I see open in the engine pic?

adams86lxi
07-26-2004, 09:39 PM
good work man!

88accordhb
07-26-2004, 09:53 PM
http://www.3geez.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3366
http://www.3geez.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3367
http://www.3geez.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3368
http://www.3geez.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3369
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dang elijah, i like the setup. cant see the chart very well but looks like youre on your way to owning more juiced cavi's. hehe nice!

Elijah
07-26-2004, 10:24 PM
No, I meant that blue waste gate actuator you have. Isn't that the vacuum port I see open in the engine pic?

On the fire wall is the FMU

Elijah
07-26-2004, 10:47 PM
Oh I see sorry.The vacum is on the bottem of the wastegate.

Robs89LXi
07-27-2004, 12:21 AM
So what's next for the beast? Are you satisfied with the fuel/timing management you have right now? How about intercooling? Any plans yet?

Elijah
07-27-2004, 12:30 AM
I'm trying to find a intercoller now.And the new motor will be built over winter.Then I will put a stand alone in.And hope for 350whp.And a bigger turbo and external waste gate and ect...

nismoracer99
07-27-2004, 02:54 PM
350 hp is the maximum horsepower i would go to.

truetune
07-27-2004, 04:24 PM
OMG you have turbo I drool all over my keybord. Dood tell me how it drives.

Robs89LXi
07-27-2004, 05:03 PM
Tell us more about what you had to do as far as tuning the car. What kind of settings did you start out with for fuel, timing etc., and did the car start up and run okay? How much and what kind of changes did you have to make after that? Also, tell me about the plugs you are running, any fuel system changes (higher pressure, bigger injectors?), and did you remove the egr line?
I know I'm asking a lot of questions, but hey, it's nice to have someone who will actually share information on what they've done so we don't have to keep reinventing the wheel. Just think of how much easier it would be, and how much better off we would all be, if everyone would share as much as you have already.
Thanks.

Cheeseburger
07-27-2004, 06:13 PM
holly shit man thats a really good looking engine man good job man

Elijah
07-27-2004, 06:47 PM
I have a 10-1 riseing rate in the fmu.Bigger pump.I got one for a chevy 5.7litre vortech.It works great.Plugs are stock till friday.Had to order some.I removed the whole egr system.The car runs just like new.Starts perfect drives perfect.No knock idle's fine.It hasnt missed a beat yet.Still stock injecters.I have a FPR aswell.I will be changeing plugs,injectors and putting a FMI in in the next couple weeks it will all be done.I have put about 1000 km on it so far.And as you could assume there was some heavy footing it.

Robs89LXi
07-27-2004, 08:01 PM
I have a 10-1 riseing rate in the fmu.Bigger pump.I got one for a chevy 5.7litre vortech.It works great.Plugs are stock till friday.Had to order some.I removed the whole egr system.The car runs just like new.Starts perfect drives perfect.No knock idle's fine.It hasnt missed a beat yet.Still stock injecters.I have a FPR aswell.I will be changeing plugs,injectors and putting a FMI in in the next couple weeks it will all be done..

Okay, now I have a better picture, thanks! So did you raise the fuel pressure on the system? Good idea on the bigger injectors; I think you will see a big gain when you change those.
Need more info on the FMI. Make sure to take lots 'o' pics.


I have put about 1000 km on it so far.And as you could assume there was some heavy footing it.

LOL. Y'know what they say... if you got it, flaunt it! Man, I can't wait. Keep up the good work, and keep the info coming.

Justin86
07-27-2004, 08:23 PM
well you know how we all love turbo...... :D

86LXItooFAST4me
07-28-2004, 07:13 PM
hey, where are you running the intake opening to? is it just a filter on the turbo or did you run a CAI setup?

Elijah
07-28-2004, 11:14 PM
Just a filter on the turbo.I will run a intake to the stock location once I move the battery to the trunk.

Slavic
07-29-2004, 06:08 AM
Still stock injecters.I have a FPR aswell.I will be changeing plugs,injectors...

You may want to try removing the injector filters to increase flow. See the injector mod section on this Prelude free mods page (http://members.tripod.com/%7EPre_ludE/pmods.html). I suppose it would work the same way on a 3G. It would be interesting to compare the results to higher flow injectors.

I did the EGR mod (blocking the EGR as described in one of the threads here) which resulted in 3.5MPG increase (26 to 29.5 MPG) on a car with a bad EGR (flashing code 12). I also tried the Coolant Bypass Mod but ran into some problems. I did the fast idle valve fix part though.

The problem was finding a 5/16 hose connector. I looked at 11 stores. Can someone advise me if it is OK to use a vacuum hose connector on a water hose? I took pictures, but haven't gotten to updating the block EGR thread or starting one for the Coolant Bypass Mod.

Might as well start/update the threads now.

Accordtheory
07-29-2004, 09:41 AM
Slavic, I am sorry to say this, but almost everything on your prelude free mods page is bullshit. I have to say this because I know there are people who will read this crap, and actually believe it. The flapper valve mod..? I would love to see someone actually dyno this. Why do you think honda built it this way if it doesn't work? Are honda engineers idiots? Egr only works under low intake manifold press, not under acceleration. It is a half assed way to reduce oxides of nitrogen under cruise by reducing the exposure of nitrogen to combustion temperature. It works by diluting the intake air with an inert gas (exhaust), which then lowers peak combustion temp. Fuel pressure mod? This idiot doesn't even understand how the fuel pressure regulator works! It works by establishing A DIFFERENTIAL PRESSURE between the rail and the manifold. Disconnect that vacuum line, you now have a varying differential rail pressure vs. manifold press. Your fuel computer will try to correct for this, but won't be able to, and you will have inaccurate fueling. The computer will shorten the injector pulse width under low manifold press closed loop operation (cruising) and then when you dip on it, you will be running lean! Coolant bypass mod=8whp??? WTF is that dude on? Crack? And to top it off, the injector filter removal mod?? What, this dude thinks that 780cc, etc, injectors don't have filters too? The filter can flow way more fuel than the injector itself can. The crankcase filter mod and possibly, but not necessarily, the timing mod, are the only legit ones there. People need to at least pick up the factory service manual and understand how shit works before stupidly trying to modify it. And yes, vacuum hose connections should be compatible with coolant

Slavic
07-29-2004, 06:46 PM
Accordtheory, I don't claim to know much about cars. I'm just getting into it. You're very welcome to correct me when I'm wrong.

However I fail to see where I said or implied that all the mods on the page are great and work and are worth it. I didn't. If you red the thread I started on it Free mods - Coolant Bypass How To (http://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?t=36639) you would have found out that, just as you have, I also concluded that "The flapper valve mod" wasn't worth it. I said "I found it referenced on a Prelude forum (can't find link right now) where they agreed that some of them worked and were worthwhile (Coolant Bypass, EGR block, Ignition Timing Advance etc.) and some weren't worth it (Flapper valve mod-caused loss of lower end power)." I belive this same mod(butterfly mod) has been discussed here and if I'm not mistaken the general consensus was that it produces more power at the high RPM's but significantly reduces low end power and hence isn't worth it.

I will respectfully disagree with you on the Coolant bypass mod (http://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?t=36639), the EGR block mod (http://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?t=34225) and the ignition timing advance mod. In addition to EGR block mod giving a +10% increase in fuel efficiency, which can be documented by at least two posters here, both the coolant bypass mod and the EGR block mod prevent heat from entering the air intake manifold and that can't be bad. We can argue about just how much effect it has, but it ain't bad. Apparently at least one more person on this board like me and the Prelude guy was, as you put it, "on crack" enough to try the mod http://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?t=9985 Would you please watch your language. Attack the argument don't slander the person. I know, I know, You were commenting on the 8whp part, but still...

Why would people put cold air intakes in their car if it was not beneficial to decrease the amount of heat entering the air intake manifold? Or are you implying CAIs are BS too? Honda engineers didn't put CAIs in any of their cars, did they, but does that mean CAI is BS too or are Honda engineers idiots for not putting a CAI in all Hondas? Don't be that dismissive. Honda designers build car with many things in mind in addition to performance and performance is not always their top priority especially for a family sedan. I think that's just common sense.

Lastly, you said "possibly, but not necessarily, the timing mod, are the only legit ones there". "possibly, but not necessarily"? I will say again that I don't know all that much about cars, but I know that I have red through this board searching on this mod and that this mod has been referenced many, many times and not once have I seen anyone disproving it being beneficial.

As far as removing the injector filters, please examine my post closer. I know picking the meaning of one's words is not always easy on a forum, but did I say: dude you should cancel them high flow injectors and just take the filters off it will flow like a river? No I said "You may want to try removing the injector filters to increase flow. It would be interesting to compare the results to higher flow injectors." I said that because I'm not that knowledgeable about cars, I don't know what the results would be and at the risk of showing my ignorance I took the liberty of suggesting he tries the mod since he obviously has access to a dyno and just may be willing to test the mod out for the benefit of all of us.

Now if you wish to further discuss the mods other than removing the injector filters let's do it in one of the above linked threads or a new one.

Sabz5150
07-29-2004, 07:13 PM
What type of ECU are you using? Standalone or some sort of conversion from another Honda?

steve-024
07-29-2004, 07:32 PM
hey man nice ride i enjot it very much

Elijah
07-29-2004, 07:38 PM
What type of ECU are you using? Standalone or some sort of conversion from another Honda?


If your talking to me.I still have stock manigment.I do have fuel manigment.

Elijah
07-29-2004, 07:38 PM
hey man nice ride i enjot it very much


So come show up to one of the edmonton meets.

Elijah
08-21-2004, 07:00 PM
Well I got a couple new toys today.We are doing everything thursday.So we will be seeing 12psi.I will try and get to the track friday.Look for some 13's.

P.S
I have decided that once in mid 13's thats good enough.I dont expect anymore the car is still a 89 sedan.I will be going ahead and buying a drift machine once in the 13's realiably[sp]

A20A1
08-21-2004, 07:18 PM
list your mods... :(

jonrichert
08-21-2004, 07:32 PM
did you find a beefy enough clutch yet?

Elijah
08-21-2004, 07:50 PM
I'm waiting.On ACT clutch.I hope it works good enough.It should be here monday or tuesday.So I will have time to break it in before friday.A20A1 I will make a new thread after dyno and track about a update.I know you see how some of these people on this board flame.And the sad thing is most of these people have not done half the stuff people like you and I have.

shepherd79
08-22-2004, 03:17 AM
12psi, with no way of controlling the ignition, that is scary. i thought you are going to run stand a lone system?

Elijah
08-22-2004, 07:08 AM
12psi, with no way of controlling the ignition, that is scary. i thought you are going to run stand a lone system?

I got some new toys.So we do some some control now.Stand alone I have not installed.We will see how my setup runs for awhile.If I dont like it stand alone here I come.

DeathRat
08-22-2004, 07:24 AM
You're gonna fix that rear seal leak first though right?

AccordEpicenter
08-22-2004, 07:58 AM
I got some new toys.So we do some some control now.Stand alone I have not installed.We will see how my setup runs for awhile.If I dont like it stand alone here I come.

What did you get an MSD BTM or somthing?>

Elijah
08-22-2004, 09:57 AM
You're gonna fix that rear seal leak first though right?


Hondacrazy and I are doing it when we do the clutch

88accordhb
08-22-2004, 10:42 AM
i hate you elijah, i hate you with all my might.

shepherd79
08-22-2004, 05:12 PM
i am just waiting for that motor to go BOOM. let us know how it goes. don't be ashamed if your motor blows up, because we will know the limits of getto setup.

AccordEpicenter
08-22-2004, 06:08 PM
man to make that engine survive you need to make sure your a/fs are good and you should run at least more than .7 degrees timing retard per lb of boost... probably more like .8-1.0

Elijah
08-22-2004, 06:28 PM
I know.I have a really good tuner helping me.The dyno helps to.The guy that helps me has got a boosted 13 second neon.And he has NO manigmant at all.He has been driving for over a year with it like that.Go's to the track every friday.He is done for this year.He found the limits of stock axles.He broke both last weekend.He was doing 1.8 60's though.With some mean slicks

Elijah
08-22-2004, 06:29 PM
Oh it's not a srt either.It's a 96 with a stock pt cruiser motor.And NO it's not the turbo pt either.