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HondaSi88
12-22-2003, 04:50 PM
I was just wondering with all the mods listed on this b16 could a 3g make more power? And this isn't a b16 vs a20 thread!
just curious
thanks


http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=712430

Morpheus
12-22-2003, 06:02 PM
riiiiiiiiight

BITESIZE
12-22-2003, 06:06 PM
I don't know, but my dad can beat up your dad!!! :)

AccordEpicenter
12-22-2003, 06:07 PM
im sure you could make more torque than the b16 but maybe not hp, but then again, if you really need to move the car, the torque accelerates you, hp is a function of tq.

HondaSi88
12-22-2003, 06:17 PM
my pops can really beat your dad!!!!! But naw i was just wondering since ive been reading about the turbo abilities of the 3g and how the block is so much better for boost....again this is not a a20vs b16 thread!

BITESIZE
12-22-2003, 06:23 PM
608hp? Cough Cough.......highlllllllyyyy doubtful.

Sean
12-22-2003, 07:01 PM
hmm not even that difficult. make 450ft lbs of tq at say 8000rpm. oh yeah easily doable. hmm i think im giving to much away.

EvilPenciler
12-22-2003, 07:45 PM
man WTF is with all these bn seruies engiens hittin in the 600whp areas? I was talkn to a guy who dose dynos around here when my and a friend went to get his buick dynoed and he said that he hasnt seen a Bseries below 650bhp

1988starter
12-22-2003, 08:01 PM
that engine cannot be stable

adams86lxi
12-22-2003, 08:12 PM
it would be cool to see though!

Sean
12-22-2003, 08:15 PM
im just saying that making 450lb ft of TQ with the a20a isnt really all that far feteched. spinning up at 8000rpm might be. but you never know.

BITESIZE
12-22-2003, 08:18 PM
You'd have to dump thousands upon thousands of dollars to even come close to 400 hp,from the a20a3

bobafett
12-23-2003, 12:56 AM
nah man sean was cranking close to 300lbs totally stock. so im sure with a few internal mods 400lbs is not unreasonable...

shepherd79
12-23-2003, 04:30 AM
i think sean will make this power very soon.
he has the abillity to do that.

POS carb
12-23-2003, 04:58 AM
I doubt a b16 can do that, but if it can, goddaaaaamn!!!!

:bow:

HondaSi88
12-23-2003, 07:24 AM
if you have a dyno sheet.....that is enough proof right?

ICEMAN707
12-23-2003, 07:45 AM
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dXsquared
12-23-2003, 07:59 AM
i wonder what he does when he shifts to second and floors it? that thing would light up like a muther fuck... you wouldnt be able to keep much traction with those tires!

Travis

HondaSi88
12-23-2003, 08:31 AM
damn all that money spent and the car doesn't even look good! the car is not worth 50g's!

ICEMAN707
12-23-2003, 08:40 AM
i just want the engine :D

toastyghost
12-23-2003, 09:12 AM
$50k civic, also known as a waste of fucking money

1988starter
12-23-2003, 09:22 AM
damn all that money spent and the car doesn't even look good! the car is not worth 50g's!

Damn straight that is one ass ugle car.
I would pefer that kind of power in a stock civic body on rusty ass steels

Dibbs
12-23-2003, 09:43 AM
$50k civic, also known as a waste of fucking money


HAA HAA! :werd:
Gotta love the engine though. T60? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that one HELL of a big ass turbo for a 1.6L engine. Oh well, I guess the naawws makes up for the lag.

Bloodlust
12-23-2003, 09:52 AM
The guy spent so much money on his car yet chose some of the shittiest subs in the world... note the JL's

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Justin86
12-23-2003, 11:42 AM
Well fuck the civic this is about PERFORMANCE! I think that can be done with the A20 but you will need a lot of work and the perfect tuning. With a big turbo and N2O I really belive that +500hp can be reached, and I will be the stupid one to spend the thousands to make it happen. I don't say shit like it cost too much cause it will still be cheaper then getting a new car.

Sean
12-23-2003, 03:45 PM
im not saying another fucking word. thats all im saying. we will se once the dyno sessions start here shortly.

Morpheus
12-23-2003, 06:22 PM
The B-series doesnt care what car its in. If you can get the B-series into the 3gee whatever the B-series has the potential to make the 3gee will have the potential to make.

AccordEpicenter
12-23-2003, 06:52 PM
guys either way youre gonna be spending a shitload of money... stick with the engine that has more torque

Sean
12-23-2003, 07:30 PM
no im sure a bigger engine with a longer stroke could easily make as much power and be way more streetable. Just good old fashioned common. sense. Also those be seires engine are having the shit revved out of them 9000+ rpm to make that power. yeah im sure with the current HP to TQ gain vs boost ive been getting that i can do as well or better. just have to pray the thing stay in one piece.

Justin86
12-23-2003, 08:40 PM
Well SEAN you don't have to say anything cause I add figure it out pretty good my self.
Why the hell would they use a T60 I saw a H22 built up with a T/4 make 725hp

Elijah
12-24-2003, 02:24 AM
I'am so sick of hearing B and H series this and that.WHY dont people like the a20 what is so wrong with it.I have no clue I love it.

deadlight
12-24-2003, 03:41 AM
Probably because it didn't make as much power out of the box. Plus when you say, yeah I gotta Dual Overhead Cam B18C5 VTEC all aluminum block and head, you can convince yourself and any idiots around you that you know what the hell you're talking about. People want to sound and look cool, the A20 doesn't fit either in it's description. It's a strong block, but quite honestly the B-series has more potential I think than the A20. We can love the A20 all we want, but Honda has advanced, to bigger and better things, the A20 is a thing of the past to most. Everyone wants newer and better. Sorry about the rant, I'll leave now.

1988starter
12-24-2003, 10:36 AM
Probably because it didn't make as much power out of the box. Plus when you say, yeah I gotta Dual Overhead Cam B18C5 VTEC all aluminum block and head, you can convince yourself and any idiots around you that you know what the hell you're talking about. People want to sound and look cool, the A20 doesn't fit either in it's description. It's a strong block, but quite honestly the B-series has more potential I think than the A20. We can love the A20 all we want, but Honda has advanced, to bigger and better things, the A20 is a thing of the past to most. Everyone wants newer and better. Sorry about the rant, I'll leave now.
yea we all know that those allum. block open deck engines are the shit for turbo :rolleyes:

Justin86
12-24-2003, 10:37 AM
also with the a20 everything has to be custom made.

Sean
12-24-2003, 11:02 AM
yeah well the a20a doesnt require nearly as many custom parts as it used to. Ive gotten alot of non stocking part numbers made now so it should be much much easier.

od2681
12-24-2003, 11:40 AM
"I don't know, but my dad can beat up your dad!!! "
hhaa

POS carb
12-26-2003, 12:58 PM
why do people with soooo much money dump it in a $15,000 economy car?

oh yea I do that too!

NXRacer
12-26-2003, 03:23 PM
why doesnt ANYBODY but a select few actually listen to what sean is saying???? Like water off a ducks back. Oh well, the select few of us will know whats up.

a20at > d,b,f,h series......

Justin86
12-26-2003, 06:48 PM
Well it will be cheaper do build up our A20 as compared to a newer and :better: engines. They may have a better selection of parts but the prices are more and you have to do more stuff to them ot get those aluminum blocks to run +20PSI

mugenprelude86
12-28-2003, 02:29 PM
pretty sure it's ugly as hell, fast but ugly

smufguy
12-28-2003, 09:38 PM
to make that kinda power the engine needs to breathe good. but every single engine has its own charecterstics as we all very well know. Saying that A20 is greater than all the other honda blocks are pushing it a little further. For example, GIve Sean a H22 and im sure he can get power that would stagger a supra with twin turbo in its tracks. You are talking about technology and materials used 14 years back and newer engines are made fairly awsome IMO. So yeah, since we are far away from the point of the thread, I would say A20 rocks cause of its users and people who know about it. You have seen ppl blow up A20s.

AccordEpicenter
12-29-2003, 05:27 PM
uhh... you can pull around 1000hp on a stock supra 2JZ bottom end... dont even THINK you could pull that kinda power even with an H22

Justin86
12-29-2003, 06:55 PM
Displacement is no replacement for technology! It is all about what you know. If the A20 had a VTEC head it could be one of the best engines but that is all it is missing and some TLC which SEAN is working on right now. :)

smufguy
12-29-2003, 09:08 PM
you can pull that kinda power with a lot of money on a STEEL block 3.0l bored out. But there is only so far u can take the Aluminum block of a H22. BUt i was talking about the Technical mind of Sean behind the engine he builds.

Besides, if you are a true car fanatic, you wont drool over the hp numbers and torque and displacement. If you cant lap around a track, your car aint worth shit. You can have a muscle car, you can have a nible car that can TURN. but even tho they belong to two different catergories, ppl who are car fanatics know which car is THE car when it comes to handling, driving and speed.

Justin86
12-30-2003, 12:10 PM
you can pull that kinda power with a lot of money on a STEEL block 3.0l bored out. But there is only so far u can take the Aluminum block of a H22. BUt i was talking about the Technical mind of Sean behind the engine he builds.

Besides, if you are a true car fanatic, you wont drool over the hp numbers and torque and displacement. If you cant lap around a track, your car aint worth shit. You can have a muscle car, you can have a nible car that can TURN. but even tho they belong to two different catergories, ppl who are car fanatics know which car is THE car when it comes to handling, driving and speed.

right on! :bow:

NXRacer
12-30-2003, 03:18 PM
uhh... you can pull around 1000hp on a stock supra 2JZ bottom end... dont even THINK you could pull that kinda power even with an H22
have you seen a pro honda drag car? How do you think they're doing 6 second quarter miles now? Cant do that with a couple hundred HP. And they're using 4 bangers. Not sure if its an H22 or not, but its an aluminum block 4 cyl.

Sean
12-31-2003, 03:14 PM
im not gonna debate blah blah blah. i know i can make 600+ hp. and the a20a block is far superior to the other hona blocks in stock form. the only b block out there thats even questionably better is the b16 block from dart. and thats iffy at best. the only thing the a20a lacks is a good head. and i fianlly got more flow then a b18c5 head so ha. eat me now b boys !

Justin86
12-31-2003, 05:48 PM
im not gonna debate blah blah blah. i know i can make 600+ hp. and the a20a block is far superior to the other hona blocks in stock form. the only b block out there thats even questionably better is the b16 block from dart. and thats iffy at best. the only thing the a20a lacks is a good head. and i fianlly got more flow then a b18c5 head so ha. eat me now b boys !

ha ha ha that is good stuff. :cheers:

smufguy
01-01-2004, 12:34 AM
im not gonna debate blah blah blah. i know i can make 600+ hp. and the a20a block is far superior to the other hona blocks in stock form. the only b block out there thats even questionably better is the b16 block from dart. and thats iffy at best. the only thing the a20a lacks is a good head. and i fianlly got more flow then a b18c5 head so ha. eat me now b boys !

Now thats what i call KISS MY A20ASS. hehehe, amazing a 12valve can whoop a 16 huh?

Justin86
01-01-2004, 12:49 PM
Technology can beat a lot of engines lucky for use we have that on are side.

Neuspeed87lx
01-01-2004, 01:26 PM
HAA HAA! :werd:
Gotta love the engine though. T60? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that one HELL of a big ass turbo for a 1.6L engine. Oh well, I guess the naawws makes up for the lag.

its not a 1.6 .... its a 2.2

HaccordR89
01-01-2004, 09:49 PM
the drag car is using a b18c5 i believe..if you look at the car you'll see they kept the general look so you can tell it's still an integra. and it's pushing 4000hp and running 4's and 5's but that's sick as hell coming from a 4 banger. anyway, i was looking at doing the b16 swap and it would cost anywhere from 3-4 thousand dollars just to get the motor in your car. so you would have a b16 pushing 160hp with the stock motor. if you throw that same amount into the a20 i garuantee that you'll be pushing more than 160hp. so you might as well stick with it. they're starting to make more and more parts for the motor and if they don't make it, someone on this board probably has and could tell you how to do it custom.

Justin86
01-01-2004, 09:59 PM
the drag car is using a b18c5 i believe..if you look at the car you'll see they kept the general look so you can tell it's still an integra. and it's pushing 4000hp and running 4's and 5's but that's sick as hell coming from a 4 banger. anyway, i was looking at doing the b16 swap and it would cost anywhere from 3-4 thousand dollars just to get the motor in your car. so you would have a b16 pushing 160hp with the stock motor. if you throw that same amount into the a20 i garuantee that you'll be pushing more than 160hp. so you might as well stick with it. they're starting to make more and more parts for the motor and if they don't make it, someone on this board probably has and could tell you how to do it custom.
I'm going to prevent you from getting flamed here. Were did you see this car and please tell me that when you said "it's pushing 4000hp and running 4's and 5's" you were joking cause the best 4 banger I have seen was only in the high 6's, low 7's and pushing around 1,300hp. The top fuel guys with big ass V8's are doing 4's and pushing 5,000hp. :rolleyes:

HaccordR89
01-01-2004, 10:23 PM
ok..here it is, it's in the feb 2002 turbo mag. basically, it's an integra type r with a custom norwood heat-treated billet alum. 4.5 x 4.5 inch bore and stroke block. JE 4.5in top fuel with moly coated skirts and techline CBC-II top coating pistons, Top Fuel Hemi Childs & Alber Cryo-treated cold-cycle aluminum rods. it's 4000hp @ 55psi from twin turbonetics Q-trim with ceramic ball bearing turbos. Custom Norwood/NOS multi-port computer controlled nitrous injection, runs off of nitromethane and alcohol. it has both a carbon fiber and fiberglass body, carbon fiber weighs 1444lbs and fiberglass 1515lbs. it's not an average drag car, it's top fuel, but that should be obvious to anyone who read it's stats. i don't think theyre allowed to run it though since the rules for top fuel and funny cars are so strict and haven't been changed since 2324a.d. the whole 4 cyl. twin turbo nitrous injected nitro fueled thing went against they're rules. could be wrong, but it's right there, if you can find the mag you can read allllllllll about it :cool2: thanks for trying to keep me from getting flamed though

Justin86
01-02-2004, 10:50 AM
ok..here it is, it's in the feb 2002 turbo mag. basically, it's an integra type r with a custom norwood heat-treated billet alum. 4.5 x 4.5 inch bore and stroke block. JE 4.5in top fuel with moly coated skirts and techline CBC-II top coating pistons, Top Fuel Hemi Childs & Alber Cryo-treated cold-cycle aluminum rods. it's 4000hp @ 55psi from twin turbonetics Q-trim with ceramic ball bearing turbos. Custom Norwood/NOS multi-port computer controlled nitrous injection, runs off of nitromethane and alcohol. it has both a carbon fiber and fiberglass body, carbon fiber weighs 1444lbs and fiberglass 1515lbs. it's not an average drag car, it's top fuel, but that should be obvious to anyone who read it's stats. i don't think theyre allowed to run it though since the rules for top fuel and funny cars are so strict and haven't been changed since 2324a.d. the whole 4 cyl. twin turbo nitrous injected nitro fueled thing went against they're rules. could be wrong, but it's right there, if you can find the mag you can read allllllllll about it :cool2: thanks for trying to keep me from getting flamed though

:jaw: yea I never read that mag so I would have never seen it. I'm supprised I haven't seen it in other mags.

AccordEpicenter
01-02-2004, 10:31 PM
well i didnt say you couldnt make 1000hp on a built race honda, what i said was people are making 1000hp on BONE STOCK 2JZ bottom ends... youd never get any honda 4cyl to put out that much power with a stock bottom end much less be streetable. BTW this is NOT a supra vs Honda argument :bong: ...

smufguy
01-03-2004, 07:49 PM
then dont go on arguing about it and make it sound like one :weird:

4sillypwr
01-03-2004, 08:13 PM
it's not all about hp. that 1000 hp 2jz still has to hual around a mk4 supra wich is around 2800lbs. If it was only about hp we would not be bothering to build honda engines. you can easily get 500 hp out of a v8 but that sucker still has to pull a huge ass domestic car around. weight is where we win the battle. If you really want to go fast for cheap buy a 84-87 crx hf and strip it down to 1500lbs. throw a 200hp turbo d16a1 in and you are looking at low low 12s
-David

bobafett
01-03-2004, 11:41 PM
hey 4sillypwr, what mods do u have on your supra? by buddy has an 87 NT and we just made a homedepot intake for it, with a cone style filter, he hasnt had a chance to test it because of snow, but that, and a straight pipe in place of the intake resonator is all we have done, do u know which mods really make a diff on the NT?

4sillypwr
01-03-2004, 11:50 PM
I built a custom exhuast for it and threw on some cheap ass header. Then i blew a headgasket. Stupid fucking 7mg engines. I hope to have to money to get it running in about a month. It did make a bit of differance. It's deff louder;)

-David

Justin86
01-04-2004, 12:14 PM
power to weight ratio and that is where we kick ass. :)

smufguy
01-04-2004, 08:28 PM
power to weight ratio and that is where we kick ass. :)

and thats all it matters. :bow:

cubert
01-05-2004, 07:05 AM
well i didnt say you couldnt make 1000hp on a built race honda, what i said was people are making 1000hp on BONE STOCK 2JZ bottom ends... youd never get any honda 4cyl to put out that much power with a stock bottom end much less be streetable. BTW this is NOT a supra vs Honda argument :bong: ...

to add onto this...id much rather be riding inside a supra then a honda....look at the difference in interiors...ive never ridden in a supra..but im willing to bet itd ride 203948 times smoother then a crx with a b16 or a turbo accord....im not trying to put down the 3g...but come one now....plus the supra is probably a lot more reliable....

4sillypwr
01-05-2004, 09:04 AM
ok 2jz blocks are reliable and powerful. Now the mk3 supras are big fat POS. The weigh 3400lbs and have that crappy 7mg/e that blows more headgaskets than a ford taurus. The interior is not that great and it handles like poo. So......anyone want to buy mine?

-David

cubert
01-05-2004, 06:13 PM
that i will give to you..lol..and just so here is no confusion..i give endless props to the owners of turbo 3gs and other cars similar...i was just trying to get my point across

bobafett
01-06-2004, 01:35 AM
yeah i much prefer the interior of 3g over a mkiii supra...handling blows, and the seats are way to "slouchy" for my tastes.. i feel like i need a visor on sideways just to ride in teh car...

smufguy
01-06-2004, 07:55 AM
okay this thread is becomind one of the OTHER bs threads. Totally out of our main discussion. why does it do this same thing all the time?? make a new thread in the offtopic and talk about your taste in supra VS 3g.

last talk: Also other thing is, yeah supra is awsome but for that price, gas, performance, ride comfort, daily use. I am sure a lot of people would prefer a performance adaptable and yet economic and useful 3g or any honda for that money. and NOt to mention the 7th gen accord V6. Get the one in 6spd and swear to god, you will be squealing your tires in all god damn gears. When it does 14 secs stock with 0-60s in 6.9s, you know Honda aint kidding around. and look at the new TL, Its a Silent killer than i would get in a heart beat.

Well, i am done for this thread anyway. Im out :D

1988starter
01-06-2004, 12:07 PM
not to be picky but do the 7th justice 0-60 6.2 1/4 mile 14.5

smufguy
01-06-2004, 12:32 PM
my bad here is the car and driver specs. The 0-60 was not 6.9 it was actually 5.9 seconds. Pretty impressive huh?

They also enhance performance. With a five-speed automatic sending power to its front wheels, the EX V-6 four-door needed 7.0 seconds to reach 60 mph and covered the quarter-mile in 15.5 seconds at 92 mph. The six-speed two-door hit 60 in 5.9 seconds and hustled through the quarter-mile in 14.5 seconds at 98 mph. Although the coupe did weigh 140 pounds less than the sedan, that's still a pretty strong testimonial for the efficiencies of a standard transmission. We should also add that the Accord manages to deliver the engine's substantial output to the drive wheels with only the barest hint of torque steer. This is not your father's Saab 9-3 Viggen.

http://caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=7011&page_number=1

No wonder im still in love with the honda.

1988starter
01-06-2004, 12:34 PM
I was just being a dick man but you are right they are hella fun

I test drove one with a friends dad and it so so fucking fun. The 3g was nothing like it

4sillypwr
01-06-2004, 10:13 PM
yeah i much prefer the interior of 3g over a mkiii supra...handling blows, and the seats are way to "slouchy" for my tastes.. i feel like i need a visor on sideways just to ride in teh car...

I'll second that. I'm 6 4 and I feel to low. Damn good thing I live in the ghetto.

-David

Justin86
01-07-2004, 02:19 PM
my bad here is the car and driver specs. The 0-60 was not 6.9 it was actually 5.9 seconds. Pretty impressive huh?

They also enhance performance. With a five-speed automatic sending power to its front wheels, the EX V-6 four-door needed 7.0 seconds to reach 60 mph and covered the quarter-mile in 15.5 seconds at 92 mph. The six-speed two-door hit 60 in 5.9 seconds and hustled through the quarter-mile in 14.5 seconds at 98 mph. Although the coupe did weigh 140 pounds less than the sedan, that's still a pretty strong testimonial for the efficiencies of a standard transmission. We should also add that the Accord manages to deliver the engine's substantial output to the drive wheels with only the barest hint of torque steer. This is not your father's Saab 9-3 Viggen.

http://caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=7011&page_number=1

No wonder im still in love with the honda.

Damn pretty impressive. A new V6 with the 6 speed tranny could be a pretty good swap. :cool2:

modu03
01-09-2004, 11:21 PM
to add onto this...id much rather be riding inside a supra then a honda....look at the difference in interiors...ive never ridden in a supra..but im willing to bet itd ride 203948 times smoother then a crx with a b16 or a turbo accord....im not trying to put down the 3g...but come one now....plus the supra is probably a lot more reliable....

uhh... ok, it may have more power stock than the 3g, but smoother is all dependant on what kinda suspension upgrades are done. and more reliable... I don't think so... my car is now 17 years old, and has never had the engine rebuilt, everything works... and look around, there are a hell of alot more 3g accords still on the road than there are supras.

also, were talking about a car that comes stock with a good turbo system, stick a comparable turbo system in a 3g and it will easily overtake a supra.

HaccordR89
01-10-2004, 10:42 PM
true dat, also, look at the resale value of the 3gee, that speaks for itself

cubert
01-12-2004, 06:52 AM
uhh... ok, it may have more power stock than the 3g, but smoother is all dependant on what kinda suspension upgrades are done. and more reliable... I don't think so... my car is now 17 years old, and has never had the engine rebuilt, everything works... and look around, there are a hell of alot more 3g accords still on the road than there are supras.

also, were talking about a car that comes stock with a good turbo system, stick a comparable turbo system in a 3g and it will easily overtake a supra.

define comparable...


if you mean a bigger turbo setup with more boost etc...then yes..but with a similar setup to a supra..the accord would get owned...


as for a hell of a lot more 3gs being on the road.there were a hell of a lot more 3gs to start with:rolleyes:

relaibility...i was talking newer supra..so im sticking with more reliable..especially after owning my clam of a 3rd gen..not to say all of them are...

as far as resale value goes..i wouldnt be looking to sell a supra...so thats not a factor

HaccordR89
01-12-2004, 10:37 PM
i haven't looked into the resale value of a supra..so i don't know..but i'm not comparing the 3geez resale value to the supra anyway, im just saying that the resale value of the accord speaks for itself

cubert
01-13-2004, 06:21 AM
i agree with you completely..the accord holds its value very well....