smufguy
02-28-2004, 05:36 AM
Turbo 3g gathering ideas
Well some of you fellas might have heard me mention about turboing my 3g within the end of this year and along with that a lot of parts and mis stuff are gonna be changed too. Please bear with me if this post is long i just want to clear much of everything that i have in mind.
Turbo Accessaries
First off, Seans kit is tempting, but seems like i have to stay away from it cause the kit does not support pipes for an intercooler. Secondly, if i wanna get the manifold, then it becomes a $550 part and its just that manifold. I have my manager here who with his mechanic and machinist build log style manifolds for around $300 and my cut would be for $250. I know there has been controversies about the log type being 30% less effective than a smiliar designed manifold like Sean's. After talking to a buncha people and mostly my manager, i found out that only for cars with 500hp+ those kinda numbers get into consideration and for the power i will be pushing, it wont be a big consideration. Next thing is that the car needs to be street legal and which means i need to keep my cat i dont know if the Downpipe that seans kit gives me would be able to provide that, I am guessing it might, but i have to see.
Management TEC 3
Standalone is the way to go and its how i am gonna go. I know its gonna be expensive, but doing it right is priceless, atleast IMO. I have looked at a bunch of em and my manager proposed Haltech or Holley commander, but the computer chief at my school who drag races a 6cyl CBX uses TEC3 and with its advanced capabilites, i might use that. I am 60% leaning towards it even tho its price tag is $1800. pretty expensive but its the best out there. Hondata is out mainly because its a piggyback and i have looked into AEM but i dont know how they are. The TEC3 can be programmed just like the hondata and has much more options than anything.
THe trigger is gonna be a TEC3 (Electromotive) universal magnetic pick up which uses a 60 tooth pickup wheel. Since i know machining and Mark(the drag race dude) is a master machinist i can get stuff done for nothing. So all i have to do is just use an aluminum pully for our cars instead of our stock one and bolt the pickup wheel to it. it only costs around $150 with our school SAE discount. Or even around $200 and its good.
Ignition
The way i am going is pretty logical and its direct ignition. THe ignition can be acquired as a kit with the trigger wheel and pick up sensor. The standard DIS is two modules for two cyl each or go with a custom 4 modules for each cyl. The kit is also available from electromotive INC to be adapted easier.
Fuel
I am thinking of using an external high volume pump, but i already have one in the tank that Chris put in. I like the idea of two fuel pumps one primary and one secondary, but i am scared it might be more of a disadvantage rather than being an advantage but i dont know. i have to ask Chris on what is its flow rate (lbs/hr or psi). I dont know what kinda fuel rail would fit our stock A20 manifold, so i might get one custom made with mark's help and with my school's SAE. I dont know if i will be able to use my Adj Fuel press regulator (B&M) for this purpose and i might have to do something about the fuel filter if its gonna be a hinderence.
Sensors
The TEC3 uses MAP, MAT, O2 and Knock sensors, for primary operation. I can get hold of a 3 bar MAP sensor for around $60 thru mark and same goes to the mat sensor. The oxygen sensor is gonna be a heated wide band sensor mostlikely from Bosch. the Only unknown area is the knock sensor. I thnk we dont have one right? i am not sure, which sux cuz i am unsure about that . the ignition is taken care as mentioned.
MIS
My car is gonna be having an onboard computer running all the time to monitor different aspects on the motor and possibly every single thing i need to know about whats going on. The exhaust is gonna be custom 3" with a cat and muffler. its also gonna get a mechanical LSD if possible if not the less expensive viscous coupling and a stage 4 clutch and most probably 215 rubbers. The camber is gonna be adjusted via the prelude arms and also i am in the progress of maching my own camber plate to go bwt the knuckle and the lude arm joint using 6061 AL.
If i did miss anything or if you feel anything need to be looked at please let me know. Thanks for your advice before hand :P
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Well this goes out to both the guys with STock A20s and guys with Bseries swap.
I was reading thru some of the posts here and i was reading thru Car and Model forums and seems like Jackson Racing is a pretty nice company (even tho i like CompSports) for making superchargers for the Bseries motors.
WE also know that the Bseries Intake manifold can be modded with no hassle to fit out A20 Head. Im sure you guys know where im going with this :D
So why not have a Bseries blower on a 3g? I mean, is it hard? I ran two searches and could not find anything that would relate this. Im sure people would have thought about it, but is it that hard?
Like a turbo, you would need a fuel and spark management, better fuel delivery system and pretty much thats about it right? there is no IC so that just goes out in the dust.
I personally wont do it cause for the money, i would rather go with the more Efficient one, but if im filthy rich, i would get a blower too.
This has been boggling my mind ever since. Im a noob to forced inductions, despite the fact i understand how and why they work.
Any insights? :D
Well some of you fellas might have heard me mention about turboing my 3g within the end of this year and along with that a lot of parts and mis stuff are gonna be changed too. Please bear with me if this post is long i just want to clear much of everything that i have in mind.
Turbo Accessaries
First off, Seans kit is tempting, but seems like i have to stay away from it cause the kit does not support pipes for an intercooler. Secondly, if i wanna get the manifold, then it becomes a $550 part and its just that manifold. I have my manager here who with his mechanic and machinist build log style manifolds for around $300 and my cut would be for $250. I know there has been controversies about the log type being 30% less effective than a smiliar designed manifold like Sean's. After talking to a buncha people and mostly my manager, i found out that only for cars with 500hp+ those kinda numbers get into consideration and for the power i will be pushing, it wont be a big consideration. Next thing is that the car needs to be street legal and which means i need to keep my cat i dont know if the Downpipe that seans kit gives me would be able to provide that, I am guessing it might, but i have to see.
Management TEC 3
Standalone is the way to go and its how i am gonna go. I know its gonna be expensive, but doing it right is priceless, atleast IMO. I have looked at a bunch of em and my manager proposed Haltech or Holley commander, but the computer chief at my school who drag races a 6cyl CBX uses TEC3 and with its advanced capabilites, i might use that. I am 60% leaning towards it even tho its price tag is $1800. pretty expensive but its the best out there. Hondata is out mainly because its a piggyback and i have looked into AEM but i dont know how they are. The TEC3 can be programmed just like the hondata and has much more options than anything.
THe trigger is gonna be a TEC3 (Electromotive) universal magnetic pick up which uses a 60 tooth pickup wheel. Since i know machining and Mark(the drag race dude) is a master machinist i can get stuff done for nothing. So all i have to do is just use an aluminum pully for our cars instead of our stock one and bolt the pickup wheel to it. it only costs around $150 with our school SAE discount. Or even around $200 and its good.
Ignition
The way i am going is pretty logical and its direct ignition. THe ignition can be acquired as a kit with the trigger wheel and pick up sensor. The standard DIS is two modules for two cyl each or go with a custom 4 modules for each cyl. The kit is also available from electromotive INC to be adapted easier.
Fuel
I am thinking of using an external high volume pump, but i already have one in the tank that Chris put in. I like the idea of two fuel pumps one primary and one secondary, but i am scared it might be more of a disadvantage rather than being an advantage but i dont know. i have to ask Chris on what is its flow rate (lbs/hr or psi). I dont know what kinda fuel rail would fit our stock A20 manifold, so i might get one custom made with mark's help and with my school's SAE. I dont know if i will be able to use my Adj Fuel press regulator (B&M) for this purpose and i might have to do something about the fuel filter if its gonna be a hinderence.
Sensors
The TEC3 uses MAP, MAT, O2 and Knock sensors, for primary operation. I can get hold of a 3 bar MAP sensor for around $60 thru mark and same goes to the mat sensor. The oxygen sensor is gonna be a heated wide band sensor mostlikely from Bosch. the Only unknown area is the knock sensor. I thnk we dont have one right? i am not sure, which sux cuz i am unsure about that . the ignition is taken care as mentioned.
MIS
My car is gonna be having an onboard computer running all the time to monitor different aspects on the motor and possibly every single thing i need to know about whats going on. The exhaust is gonna be custom 3" with a cat and muffler. its also gonna get a mechanical LSD if possible if not the less expensive viscous coupling and a stage 4 clutch and most probably 215 rubbers. The camber is gonna be adjusted via the prelude arms and also i am in the progress of maching my own camber plate to go bwt the knuckle and the lude arm joint using 6061 AL.
If i did miss anything or if you feel anything need to be looked at please let me know. Thanks for your advice before hand :P
---------- :D ----------
Well this goes out to both the guys with STock A20s and guys with Bseries swap.
I was reading thru some of the posts here and i was reading thru Car and Model forums and seems like Jackson Racing is a pretty nice company (even tho i like CompSports) for making superchargers for the Bseries motors.
WE also know that the Bseries Intake manifold can be modded with no hassle to fit out A20 Head. Im sure you guys know where im going with this :D
So why not have a Bseries blower on a 3g? I mean, is it hard? I ran two searches and could not find anything that would relate this. Im sure people would have thought about it, but is it that hard?
Like a turbo, you would need a fuel and spark management, better fuel delivery system and pretty much thats about it right? there is no IC so that just goes out in the dust.
I personally wont do it cause for the money, i would rather go with the more Efficient one, but if im filthy rich, i would get a blower too.
This has been boggling my mind ever since. Im a noob to forced inductions, despite the fact i understand how and why they work.
Any insights? :D