d-series swap??

[juiquan]

Haven't been on here for a while or messed with cars for a long while,
I searched for d16y8 didnt find nothing and read the swap faq but im throwing in a ls/vtec in my civ and thinking about the d16 in the old accord,
if anyone has done it themselves please respond.

hope all is going well here at 3geez.

[Oyvind Ryeng]

Why insult the 3G with the ultraslow D16? You wanna swap - get the B18C5, B20VTEC or LS/VTEC - those engines can actually move the 3G. Yes, you do have the D16 in hand already, that is the one and only pro about this swap. The cons are as follows:

-Slower than the A20.
-Expensive, probably never been done before because of the fundamentally bad idea it is to swap a D16 into a 3G.
-Enormous amounts of custom work has to be done, like gearbox, axles, engine & gearbox mounts, wiring harness, etc. etc. etc.

[OldSchoolSwap]

Not worth doing, no matter what good conditions the D16 is in, its not worth all the modifications required to swap that in. Here's a small list

-Mounts
-Wiring
-Axles
-Shift linkage
-Water hoses
-OBD issues
-Tranny issues
and unknown issues concerning that swap that has never been done before.

Not to mention less torque and still remaining a single cam!

[k-roy]

Mad props to you if you can pull it off, you can change your name to slowassoldschoolswap :thumbdown

[Justin86]

Mad props to you if you can pull it off, you can change your name to slowassoldschoolswap :thumbdown
Yea I have to agree with Kroy, that engine sucks. I drove that civic with the D16Y8 and hydro tranny and it is the slowest POS. I would highly suggest another engine.

[PortugalFocus]

Yeah good luck with that, less displacement less power less tq, NICE! Don't do it......

[juiquan]

Well things dont change around here, all negative responese , i dont care about how slow the engine is... the old accord needs a new engine anyways. all i asked was if anyone has done it them selves personally and respond, of course the people who probably haven't done would respond to me and give me information that is not any value to me. Once again if anyone has done this swap please respond to this post. if you haven't done this swap you don't have to respond to this , thank you . I'm not insulting the 3g, by giving it a diff motor with less miles on it, im only insulting it by letting it sit in the garage and collecting dust.

[johndej]

get another A20 if you need another engine

[k-roy]

I got an Idea. Go ahead and do a swap in the Civic with whatever you want. Then sell the D16 with the tranny, ecu, etc... With that money you should be able to build a decent A20 for the Accord, plus it will be easy as hell to drop in compared to a D,

[juiquan]

i dont care about how easy or how hard it is, its just something to do to keep occupied away from other things in life, jesus christ. but i suppose i will just sell the d16 and the accord will continue to sit, actually i think i'll sell the accord to might as well. anways im done asking here. reminder to why possibly your friends are fighting over in the middle east , people dont know how to get along with others so much fing hate in this world may peace be with you...

[shepherd79]

dude, no one is fighting with you. we are trying to tell you that the motor is not worth.
if you don't have anything else to do, than swap the motor. the problem is that you will have to spend a hole lot money on engine mounts, axels, engine wirring and so on and on.
you better off selling D16 motor and get another A20 motor and drop it in.
plus as i can see you have LX model, which means you will have to conver to EFI if you want D16 motor.
so which motor do you want, the one that will cost you arm and a leg or the motor that you can buy for $250-400 at junk yard and drop it in and be happy with it.

[Neuspeed87lx]

im doing the same thing you are..... except the d series is going into my 93 civic instead of a 3g and im doing a lsvtec in my 96 civic .... lets see some pictures of your lsvtec civic

[Justin86]

yea there is a reason why no one has done that swap. There is no mounts, axles, wiring, and all that fun stuff. If you really want to waste money on a D-series you are on your own casue no one would even think about doing it.

[Project-LXi]

A D series in a 3g???!!!! :stick:


hahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahhahahahahaha

WTF would you do that for???????

[AccordEpicenter]

D series is SLOW. MY friend raced me with his civic dx with ex conversion (y8 head, intake and exaust manis, also ex tranny) with a huge catback, punched cat, and the car weighed 2250 lbs (stripped interior) and he only ran 16.5 and hes a decent driver, i pulled a 16.2 with my lxi with less mods than that

[HondaBoy]

i had thought about that when i had the chance to get a D16 out of the del sol. then i thought about it and figured my A20 is compareable to it, and that D16 isnt the shit anyway.

[88accordhb]

reDiculous has a D in it, soo do the d series, nuff said. don't those things have like 115hp and way sucky torque. why waste time and money, unless you like to downgrade cars just for fun.

[Blue Impact]

Don't do it. It's not worth the time and money. But if you're crazy enough about it, you can actually get mounts for it. Honda carries them and the parts number is DMB-455. Good luck. :D

[diegoaccord]

There is a D in rediculous, and there's an A in ASS.

The A20 is ASS.

Either way, it's not worth it. If the Accord mounts were compatible with Z6, or Y8, then yeah, it'd be good, cause 3G's arent too much heavier than my Civic EX, and they'd perform similar, plus theres a huge aftermarket. But once again, only if the stock mounts were compatible.

So, It's an:(By engine series)

A = ASS, or
B = Beautiful
H = Hella work
F = Fuck it
C = Cant fit


But you should swap somethng in it. I mean, Honda wasted a great car when they only had 12 valve SOHC lumps in the US 3G. Had Honda included the B20A, the Accord 2.0Si would be the most sought after Honda. Old + Cheap + 160 HP + Torque. A car made back in 86 that would smash a Si, or possibly a GSR. You'd see all the street racer that are loyal to Honda in Accord/Prelude Si's. Plus has the car been released here, people would have taken notice to the 160 HP, and gladly produce more than the 5 aftermarkets parts you can find.

['A20A3']

The A20 is ASS.

Wait a minute, doesn't YOUR car have a D series in it?? :uh:

There's a D in Dumbass too. :rolleyes:

[DanLXI88]

Wait a minute, doesn't YOUR car have a D series in it?? :uh:

There's a D in Dumbass too. :rolleyes:
:rofl: :lol:

[diegoaccord]

There is an A in A-series Asskisser, which is you.

There is an A in A-series Asskicker, which is me.

Thank you, come again.

Remember I'm not saying the A is ass because I have a D. I've been saying it since 2001, when I had my 1st 3G, which was before I had a B16A2, or D16Z6. I hated the A when I had my 1st Accord, and I still hate it. It's a fucking lump. It puts out similar numbers to my Z6, but what about A/M? Oh, that's right, you can make your own parts, or have Sean talk you out of a B series swap, so you can buy his expensive shit, just to get stock B-series performance.

[Justin86]

D series is SLOW. MY friend raced me with his civic dx with ex conversion (y8 head, intake and exaust manis, also ex tranny) with a huge catback, punched cat, and the car weighed 2250 lbs (stripped interior) and he only ran 16.5 and hes a decent driver, i pulled a 16.2 with my lxi with less mods than that
I belive that says it all. :deal:

[Oyvind Ryeng]

I hated the A when I had my 1st Accord, and I still hate it. It's a fucking lump. It puts out similar numbers to my Z6, but what about A/M? Oh, that's right, you can make your own parts, or have Sean talk you out of a B series swap, so you can buy his expensive shit, just to get stock B-series performance.
As far as I can tell, the A20 has OK aftermarket support. Diamond makes pistons, Eagle makes rods, Fizenda (?) makes flywheels, there are several making clutches, I'm also sure that Ferrea can make/has made valves, valvesprings and retainers are most likely available, cranks can be custom made (not that the A20-crank is weak or anything), and cam regrinds are offered by numerous companies. What more aftermarket do you need? Is it really neccecary to have 10 different turbokits to choose from, when Seans kit delivers good performance?


About stock performance; the B16A-engine is capable of delivering 150 Newtonmetres of torque & 160 hp@flywheel, and my own A20A4 has 166 Newtonmetres of torque & 122 hp@flywheel, with fantastic pull all the way from 1500 RPM's, I would like to add. A stock Civic EG hatchback /w a B16A takes 7.7 seconds from 0-60 MPH, but with some weightreduction and mild engine modifications I'm sure the 3G can match it in accelleration.

Anyway, I don't like to compare the Accord to a Civic - the Civic is light and agile - made with it's eyes on some performance from the start, while the Accord is heavier and was originally made to be a large (for it's time), roomy, quiet and reliable family sedan.

[Justin86]

Anyway, I don't like to compare the Accord to a Civic - the Civic is light and agile - made with it's eyes on some performance from the start, while the Accord is heavier and was originally made to be a large (for it's time), roomy, quiet and reliable family sedan.
way to put it, and that why I like to make my accord fast as hell, cause it was not design for that and no one expects it. It make the perfect sleeper. :bow:

[88accordhb]

well if you get a hatch, it's light as hell, i'm sure that wasn't meant for a family or 4. the coupe IS potential, just have to know how to use that potential. i don't like to dog on any cars, but the d series is just horrible, they're made for wat 92-95 civics, while old school 3g's can match their performance. that's just weak sauce. plus the fun is in getting mods, soo wat if a20 don't have much support that's all in the challenge, either look really hard or make em' yourself.

[Project-LXi]

3rd gen accord is light, the heaviest 3gee is as light as the lightest 3rd gen teg.

[Oyvind Ryeng]

Yeah, the bottom line is: DON'T, under any circumstances, take the time, money or effort to swap the D16 into a 3G. Granted, that engine has some aftermarket support, but you know what? It's not worth it, because by the time you have the (slow-ass) stock D16 sitting in the 3G's engine compartment, you cound have a MONSTER A20 for the same money involved, and much less, so unbelievably much less, effort, work and time.

IMHO, the only two engines worthy of the 3G is the B18C5, or the B20VTEC.

[diegoaccord]

Nobody said that it is a good swap for an Accord. We all agree to that. But the D is still better than the A, when you compare engine to engine.

Driving an A20 is comparable to a Neon SOHC, the power leaves WAAAY before redline.

S4RE 1G Neon Redline = 6500, power leaves at 55-5700.
A20A Redline = 6250, power leaves at 54-5600.
D16Z6 Redline = 7200, power lasts until 7500+.
D15B2 Redline = 6500, power lasts until 6500.

These are the SOHC's I've owned, all were 5 speed cars, and the A20 was the weakest performer. The Neon had similar power delivery, but at least it had power to begin with. The D16Z6 is the best Honda SOHC made, anyway, unless you go JDM, with the 130 HP D15B 3-VTEC.

Once again, to the orginal poster. Put ANYTHING in your car, you'll be better off. Even if its a 2G Teg B18A, but that's as low as you go.

['A20A3']

But the D is still better than the A, when you compare engine to engine.

Ummmm...no. Just because your little engine puts power out for more rpm's than the A20 doesn't mean it's better.

Another thing, why do you come to a 3RD GENERATION ACCORD forum only to bash the car that this place was created for? Makes no sense. :thumbdown :dunno:

['A20A3']

There is an A in A-series Asskisser, which is you.

There is an A in A-series Asskicker, which is me.


It's the other way around, cause my STOCK A-series can hand it to you. :lol:

[od2681]

isnt it true that smaller engines have to rev higher to make power...so wouldnt hte 2.0 liter a20 have an advantage cuzz lets say...you are running two cars together...
one with a 2.0 liter engine and one with a 1.6 liter engine...and they both put out 110 hp...the 2 liter has 5800 redline....and the 1.6 has it at 6500 rpms...so the 2 liter would reach max power faster and shift quicker than the 1.6 right???
does that make sense cuzz it sure does make sense to me....

[diegoaccord]

I'm here because I've had a 89 5 speed DX sedan, white, with brown interior, and I HAVE a lower mileage copy of that car now. My first one had 2 mirrors, this one has one. Duh. What can you say about that?

If I own the car in question, I have the right to say what I want. Plus, it was someone else who brought up the fact that I have a Civic. In essence, they started it, because I was on topic, until he said that shit.

And to the prior poster, we're talking about the 88-89 A20A3 122 HP, not 86-87 110 HP, and D16Z6 125 HP.

[od2681]

no i was just tryin to reply to someone who said about high revvin and makin around the same horsepower...just was givin an example you know

[carotman]

diegoaccord, your Accord was slow because it was carbed that's all. 98 hp vs 125 with the civic.... with my EFI setup I din't fear any Z6 at all.

[carotman]

Anyway, this topis should never have come up.... there is a sticky thread on the top of this section that explains it all!!!!

http://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?t=413

[Justin86]

So your willing to swap a slow engine just cause of how high it make power. It's called a cam grind, it cost me about $50 and it make power up to 7K. Like everyone said before the money spent on this swap will out weight the benefits. If you want to be the first one to have swap a D in the 3G they do it for the record books, but please not for performance.

[Busted_Blue]

Please don't be like that ITR on HT that has the slowest ITR in the world.... (Dseries powered ITR) :dunno:

[lilhonda17]

after my a20 the d15b7 was he first motor i wired in b4 my b16a3 so it has been done :kekeke:

[88accordhb]

If I own the car in question, I have the right to say what I want. Plus, it was someone else who brought up the fact that I have a Civic. In essence, they started it, because I was on topic, until he said that shit.

just cus one person talks crap bout your car doesn't mean you can ruin it for all us 3geezers, your comments are welcomed however wat you said bout the a20 was a bit harsh dude, you must reallize it's a site for the 3g and most of us have the a20, whether carbed or not
edit: and dude, dont get offended, were not sayin the d16 is a piece of shit engine, in our opinion it's not as good as a20, since the whole topic to begin with was "should i drop a d16" it's not good for this situation because, wheater it compares to the a20 or not, it wont make a good swap since youre puttin time and money into it. my fren as a d16, it thought it was great to work on, easy too! but with all his mods it was still slow as hell, but that's only one case.

[Chadroper]

Is the D series also more rigid than the A series?

[diegoaccord]

just cus one person talks crap bout your car doesn't mean you can ruin it for all us 3geezers, your comments are welcomed however wat you said bout the a20 was a bit harsh dude, you must reallize it's a site for the 3g and most of us have the a20, whether carbed or not
edit: and dude, dont get offended, were not sayin the d16 is a piece of shit engine, in our opinion it's not as good as a20, since the whole topic to begin with was "should i drop a d16" it's not good for this situation because, wheater it compares to the a20 or not, it wont make a good swap since youre puttin time and money into it. my fren as a d16, it thought it was great to work on, easy too! but with all his mods it was still slow as hell, but that's only one case.


If you read, you'd see that I am on my 2nd 3G now, along with Civic. I have an A20 as well. Does that give me reason to bash the car, or not? And I NEVER said that the D was good to drop in a 3G, cause it isn't. Besides, I had a 2000 Si last year, with B16A2, so, to me, either D or A series sucks compared to it.

[Chadroper]

I thought the A series has the weakest block and crankshaft.

['A20A3']

You thought wrong.

The block, crank, and rods are strong as shit.

[Chadroper]

It can't be more rigid than the 3.0 liter V-6 in the new accords.

[noidea24]

Listen listen, I know this is a thread from '04, but I just wanted to chime in because it is still a top Google result for a few query's.

I personally think, the d series in a 3rd gen Accord is a beautiful idea. It provides a solid ass platform for someone to build some cheap power in a unique car.
For someone that has the tools (plasma cutter, welder, metal knowledge) this would be a great project to embark on that can also yield great results.

Put it this way, a friend and I got a f series into a 86 sedan. Had the wiring done, axles figured out and in, and all the mounts we're tacked in. We had just got shift linkages figured out when we blew the vehicle up with tannerite. (I can post pics of the bay and even link the video of it being blew up if you would like). Why did we do it though? The engine, parts, and tools we're there, and we were bored.

If anyone is searching this currently, I'd say go for it.