Header Question

[B16 ED9]

well, i posted about these a while ago but i dont think that anyone responded. so i thought i'd ask again

do you guys know if these ss headers would be any good?

http://www.dalhems.com/engine/ssheader1.html

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Well you didn't get a responce because we didn't have a member that had one. I know that within the last 30 days or so a new member came on board that has one. Wish I could remember his name. You know they are a 4-1 design, right?

[B16 ED9]

they are? hmm, didnt know that. i just saw them for 3rd gens and thought i'd share and see if there were any good.

but 4-1 is good right

[Jims 86LXI HB]

It's my understanding that 4-1 headers are better suited for engines that are tuned to move allot of ehaust at high rpm level's.
Like a race engine or a motor that you've modded to wring out as much power as you can. Installed in a stock motor that's tuned as mildly as ours I'd think you'd have less low end not much more mid range if at all and yes more high end.

[TeKKnoTeKK]

Yeah I think the 4-2-1's (I think that's right) are better for our cars, unless you have modded the hell out of it like Jim is saying.

[shepherd79]

yeah,
but it still better than having stock on your engine.
yeah with this header you may not see a lot of improvement at low rpm but at high rpm will show show.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Originally posted by shepherd79
yeah,
but it still better than having stock on your engine.
yeah with this header you may not see a lot of improvement at low rpm but at high rpm will show show.

How ironic to say but the stock header I removed was a 4-1 design, the 88-89 cars have 4-2-1 designs. Now the thing about the ss header is for only $20 more (if you can find one) you can get a DC Sports header and get 4-2-1 and a flex section. I gave some serious thought to the ss header cause I was about to give up my hunt to find a DC Sports header, but I finally found one and bought it. I just didn't want a pacesetter and find out for myself why they have so many negitive comments about them, no thanks.

[rallyeNate]

they cant be any worse than pacesetter.

[1988starter]

Well they are black painted and I like the pacesetter maybe C sports are better but for another 300 naw.

[Accord7SE_i]

dude dont get headers they do nothing for your car what you need to do is take out your flow system and but strate pipes with a high flow cadlidic converter on it. you dont need a muffler and no they are not that loud. They onyl way headers will work it you get you heads ported

[Jims 86LXI HB]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Accord7SE_i
dude dont get headers they do nothing for your car what you need to do is take out your flow system and but strate pipes with a high flow cadlidic converter on it. you dont need a muffler and no they are not that loud. They onyl way headers will work it you get you heads ported [/QUOTE

Wrong wrong wrong, where on earth did you dream that up? 3rd gen headers are know for being restrictive. I looked at the header that came off the car and compaired it to the DC Sport header, night and day difference. And my first mod was to do a resonator back system. I noticed a slight increase in power. When I installed the header next I noticed a healthy increase in power. And most every member has noticed the same thing, adding a header will increase your power without ported heads. Plus the cast iron manifold is extreamly heavy, installing the DC Sports header, which is not as heavy saved at least 20lbs of weight at the very front of the car, theirby improving weight distribution as well. If you want to straight pipe be my guest but kiss your lowend goodby. Plus theirs no way a straight pipe is gonna sound as nice as a mufflered system, nobody staight pipes thinking its gonna sound nice.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 1988starter
Well they are black painted and I like the pacesetter maybe C sports are better but for another 300 naw. [/QUOT

:huh: How do you come up with another 300?
SS header= $278
DC Sports= $299 and its ceramic coated with flex section
only another $22, not another $300

[1988starter]

Originally posted by Jims 86LXI HB
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 1988starter
Well they are black painted and I like the pacesetter maybe C sports are better but for another 300 naw. [/QUOT

:huh: How do you come up with another 300?
SS header= $278
DC Sports= $299 and its ceramic coated with flex section
only another $22, not another $300

Sorry I ment for pacesetter 130 for black and I know it is really about 270 but Oh well.

[1988starter]

Originally posted by Accord7SE_i
dude dont get headers they do nothing for your car what you need to do is take out your flow system and but strate pipes with a high flow cadlidic converter on it. you dont need a muffler and no they are not that loud. They onyl way headers will work it you get you heads ported

If they are so usless why do you have them.

[87pimpsterdocious]

good one 88starter. Booya!

[stgardner]

Well, it's a safe bet that nobody has done a dyno test of either the DC Sports or Pacesetter header, but has anyone been able to do a side-by-side comparison? They are both 4-2-1, but are the tube lengths/diameters about the same? Are the bends smooth? How long are the primary tubes before the go into the 2 secondaries? How are the welds inside and out - smooth, coarse? Any other similarities or differences?

Thanks for the info

Scott

[kraftaroni]

I've posted the s&s headers back a while ago when we were on the other site! I've dyno tuned the dc and s&s and gained 3 to 4 hp on numerouse dyno runs. the s$s header has a poor qulity like the pacesetter. But i modified the collector by cutting the flange at 2 1/4 inches and put a flex pipe right on the flange. and had 2 1/4 inch piping all the way back. If the car is carberated you would probably see aditional gains of more than 4 hp. especialy with an aftermarket carberator. I have a dc on my car now cause the s&s collects 4 into 1 all the way under the engine and I crushed the headers on a railroad track So I had to put my dc's back on! And I did feel the power loss.

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Originally posted by kraftaroni
I've posted the s&s headers back a while ago when we were on the other site! I've dyno tuned the dc and s&s and gained 3 to 4 hp on numerouse dyno runs. the s$s header has a poor qulity like the pacesetter. But i modified the collector by cutting the flange at 2 1/4 inches and put a flex pipe right on the flange. and had 2 1/4 inch piping all the way back. If the car is carberated you would probably see aditional gains of more than 4 hp. especialy with an aftermarket carberator. I have a dc on my car now cause the s&s collects 4 into 1 all the way under the engine and I crushed the headers on a railroad track So I had to put my dc's back on! And I did feel the power loss.

I'd love to see you post the dyno print out and show us the power curves between the 2. Surely something as important as that, you'd keep a print out of :D I really would like to see it.

How were you able to have access to a dyno to do that kind of tuning? That must be nice.

[POS carb]

the image posted above the application is a 4-2-1 header and it looks like the primary tubes are damn long, looks like a good header for a torquey motor like a20/b20a's but the collectors look kind of funky pre-fab cheap stuff i dunno, i guess there's no way to tell without having one in front of you... it's also got a 'flex pipe'

[Jims 86LXI HB]

Originally posted by POS carb
the image posted above the application is a 4-2-1 header and it looks like the primary tubes are damn long, looks like a good header for a torquey motor like a20/b20a's but the collectors look kind of funky pre-fab cheap stuff i dunno, i guess there's no way to tell without having one in front of you... it's also got a 'flex pipe'

That picture also has a part number below it. It's shows its for a 4th gen accord and that application does get a 4-2-1 All their 4 cylinder headers are 4-1, unless they say "tri-y" by the car model, then they are 4-2-1. The 3rd gen headers are 4-1 and none of their headers have a mesh flex section.

"We Incorporate A Spring Loaded Ball Socket Into The Collector
When Necessary To Absorb All Engine Torque And Prevent Breakage." What ever it is it's not a true flex section.

I came real close to buying one after not being able to find a DC Sports, but after seeing what my header does power wise I'm glad I didn't.

[kraftaroni]

When I dyno tested those headers I was in charge of a import performance shop. It was about 10 yrs ago. And I was trying to tune my car for the head I ported. I've looked for the dyno rund and all I can find is quarter mile times from Battle of the imports in 93'94'95' But the header did work alot better than the tri y throughout the powerband. I found some dyno sheets but they were from the 80's so it wasnt for my accord I think it was the 88 civic or gti?? But my accord did about 140bhp just over 190 with NOS.