Checking intrest: custom header

[NXRacer]

I have a friend locally who has a shop that builds a lot of performance exhaust related stuff. He has a mandrel bender and can build just about anything with pipe. I've been talking to him and he said he'd be up for making a custom header for our car. From my conversations with him, it sounds like it wont cost more then a DC Sports header (around $300 or so) and will be a better quality/performance also. I also might be able to get it dyno tested as well. He can make stainless steel ones as well but it will cost about $200 more then regular steel.

I just thought i'd throw this out and see how many people are interested (and have the money). I'm hoping to have him make me one in the very near future and when i do, i'll deffinately be posting up pictures and info.

Also, this guy makes custom FMI's, turbo manifolds and charge pipes.

[Gregg86DX]

Would that price include some form of ceramic coating? Also, could he do a B20A header? (same dimensions as the A20, just different head flange)

If he is looking to find a market for headers, he may want to look at the 88-91 Prelude folks. Those guys are in the same boat as us since DC quit making their header. They are stuck with Pacesetter or Chikara.

Gregg

[NXRacer]

that does not include ceramic coating and im not sure if he can get the coating done or not. I can talk to him about that.

As for the B20, he could probably do it, he's just need a flange to build one off of.

He's not looking for a market, i just told him that there is a need for headers for the 3rd gen accord and he said he'd be willing to make them for us.

[markmdz89hatch]

Caleb, can you get him to give an educated guess on a quote for a custom Stainless 4-1 Header w/a 2.25" Collector and a race style joint (similar to the pacesetter) instead of the flex-pipe.

The joint I'm looking for is here:
https://ssl10.mysecureserver.com/bosstoolscom/store/store/catalog/5309.jpg

[NXRacer]

sure, i've been trying to get ahold of him all morning/afternoon online. i'll have to call him today when i get off work. i'll let you know ASAP.

[nswst8]

Already have a DC but since they are becoming hard to come by.
Phil :cheers:

[epic1400cs]

Cool idea. I am interested in that. Can I join in the club from abroad?

[NXRacer]

sure, but shipping is gonna be killer probably

[epic1400cs]

I checked with USPS web. I don't know the actual weight but 50 pounds for instance sent by surface will cost around $120. Grrrrrr. Not impossible though. It might be cheaper to fly there to pick it up.

[Sean]

hmm i asked about this like 6 months ago. i can get you a stianless header for $400 of the same quality as our turbo headers. If you want them just let me know and well do the r&d and get it out to the market.

[epic1400cs]

$400 for stainless header is not bad I think. I was welder before but I can't make one header for that money! But in fact I am skin right now - when I have some money in August and if you still have the header, I might buy from you boss. BTW how is the finish of the header? Can I see any pic somewhere? Mine is injection but is no prob?

[A20A1]

Cool, I've been messing with the idea of selling a header but getting it off the ground is kinda tuff right now, I probably wont move past my prototype... I still have my thread if your interested.
http://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?t=6466

[epic1400cs]

Excuse me folks probably my explanation was not clear. The header I am looking for is made by mandrel bend tube and the tube need to be cold seamless tube (not the tube with long seam alongside the surface cos the seam may open up under high temperature). The flange is not cast metal considering the strength after welding with the tube. The welding must be done by TIG argon, or MIG at least due to less heat/distortion merit. That is also what I did when I modify my header before. Desireably, the welder should be professional or you will have a pin hole in the welding seam - later it will start crack. Cos header will be heated up to several hundred C and cool down - its very tough for metal component. I am still very intersted in Mr.NXRacer's project. I look forward to know more about it.

[nswst8]

hmm i asked about this like 6 months ago. i can get you a stianless header for $400 of the same quality as our turbo headers. If you want them just let me know and well do the r&d and get it out to the market.

But as a shop owner you know how it goes with the short supply of a quality headers I'm surprised you don't already have a jig set aside for this, You know how these guys are more talk than actual action. I'm sure if you do the R&D and post one up they'll just start drooling to get their hand on it.
Phil :cheers:

[A20A1]

Excuse me folks probably my explanation was not clear. The header I am looking for is made by mandrel bend tube and the tube need to be cold seamless tube (not the tube with long seam alongside the surface cos the seam may open up under high temperature). The flange is not cast metal considering the strength after welding with the tube. The welding must be done by TIG argon, or MIG at least due to less heat/distortion merit. That is also what I did when I modify my header before. Desireably, the welder should be professional or you will have a pin hole in the welding seam - later it will start crack. Cos header will be heated up to several hundred C and cool down - its very tough for metal component. I am still very intersted in Mr.NXRacer's project. I look forward to know more about it.

I'm sorry but my reply was not aimed at you... it was for the thread in general.
anyways like I said in my thread I'm not selling my prototype which was not built for longevity... I know that butting the pipes up like that isn't the best way, but its easier for me to do... this isn't big buisness... this is homestyle :D As for the welding quality, I'm getting better... a tig would be nice but will have to wait... as with other things like the CNC flange... thus why my project is not off the ground yet.

The link was to provide header specs... primary length / diameter. What you do with it is up to you.

[NXRacer]

this guy has a business right now that makes custom headers and turbo manifolds so he's got all the right stuff. His flanges are CNC'd and he also has a friend who owns a water jet so he gets some of his flanges done by him. I've been in the process of having one made for myself and i just thought i'd throw it out there.

I'm not trying to compete with Sean, but i know people like to have options, also it would be nice for the guys on the west coast to have something somewhat locally.

[epic1400cs]

this guy has a business right now that makes custom headers and turbo manifolds so he's got all the right stuff. His flanges are CNC'd and he also has a friend who owns a water jet so he gets some of his flanges done by him. I've been in the process of having one made for myself and i just thought i'd throw it out there.

Sounds faburous. I can't wait to see it.

I am sorry Mr.A20A1, I didn't mean to offend you but I wish you produce the quality header in the future! :)

[rjudgey]

could be interested just found out that S&S are not likely to make anymore headers so the only choice is gonna be Pacesetter!!
P.S Epic1400s hit us up i'm in U.K too might have a few usefull tips for you and your car! Also what happened to your B20A 3G?

[nswst8]

Just saying that with all the prior group buys that with the difficulty they had it might just be better to produce the prototypes and list them. Most of the members here seem to be struggling from one point or another financially. I do beleive however that if someone comes out with a product you will have buyers. Most of these member just look to have long term financial issues.
Just an opinion.
Phil :cheers:

[Justin86]

Yea I'm still not sure if I will do my own manifold or not, I might just talk to him about it. So Caleb who's your new friend with the hat, why haven't you introduced us? :D

[Sean]

yeah wed be doing a hand fabricated header. there are lots of advatages to this. mandrel bending isnt always the best way becuase you cant bend on a bend and then you limited in your shape/routing options.

[NXRacer]

Just got word back from my buddy, and he said getting ceramic coating done is about $50-$80 extra.

[gekko]

*bump*

i want a header ... is this thing moving forward ?

[Justin86]

Not sure what is still going on with it, but me and Caleb have been talking about this stuff lately, and I will soon will be working on a custom header.

[NXRacer]

the only thing hindering this from going foward is my lack of funds right now. Hopefully justin and i will be able to get a prototype together soon.

[Justin86]

ok here are some designs I have been looking at right now for a 4-2-1 header......
the one on the right ;)
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid84/p1b26dad0c1ea3399c7f4c139ea1fa5dd/fad04a4f.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid84/p3c5d9d77f2d060226669b78d1dbe973b/fad04a53.jpg

http://www.todaracing.com/images/product_b16a_header.jpg

[NXRacer]

that first one looks like it would be MUCH easier to fab and weld up.

[Justin86]

The first one will be easier for me to make, but will also cost more due to more materials. Flow wise they should work better then pace and DC. Price is the big thing here, 4130 steel is not cheap, and with flex pipe, flanges, and ceramic coating it will cost me about 200 to make them. I might just end up using mild steel to make cheaper for everyone else, just depends on where I get the tubing.

[A20A1]

I like the merge collector on the last pic.
Thanks to burns stainless I can get the parts I need, when I get the money.


I was going to make a 4-1 collector that drops to a 1.75" small diameter then with a 14 degree taper to a 2.50" large diameter. The merge length being 2" long.
Hopefully it'll pick up some more velocity.

[A20A1]

The first one will be easier for me to make, but will also cost more due to more materials. Flow wise they should work better then pace and DC. Price is the big thing here, 4130 steel is not cheap, and with flex pipe, flanges, and ceramic coating it will cost me about 200 to make them.
You wonder why there is a huge price difference between DC and Pacesetter, the design's are basicaly the same........... it's the steel they use and that will be at least half of my cost in making these. I'm still trying to find a good source to buy the tubing so the price may varry..............

Here are some sites to look at when shopping for materials... I know places like burns offers discounts if you order in bulk.

BURNS STAINLESS (http://www.burnsstainless.com/index.htm)

PITSTOP USA (http://www.pitstopusa.com/) Ordered from them before

STAINLESS WORKS (http://www.stainlessworks.net/)

RRE (http://www.roadraceengineering.com/mandrelbends.htm)

TRC (http://www.toyotaperformance.com/) ( I was going to buy the kit for the 22r then just use the toyota flange for scrap )

CHASSIE WORKS (http://www.cachassisworks.com/header.htm)

HEADERS BY ED (http://www.headersbyed.com/hdrkits.htm)

JC WHITNEY (http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/ProductDisplay/s-10101/storeId-10101/p-5411/c-10101/catalogId-10101)

[keruhas184]

I'll probably have enough cash for one come winter break... You guys can also make them for the carb, right?

[Justin86]

Hey thanks mike, I looked at pitstop before, and they didn't have all the size's that I was looking for.

[A20A1]

I'm adding some more info to the Header FAQ, but I have some new things up already...
http://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?t=37261
..

[A20A1]

I added a new chart, should be good for cross referencing the pacesetter and DC header to choose a cam... but thats not exactly the best way to go about it... usualy the cam is first then the header.

[mercerus]

i would be down with a new header hell yeah what around 300 bones? sweet

[Justin86]

I'd say about 300 for a cermaic coated header would be about right and more for a stainless. So pretty much the price of what a typical header would cost.

[3rdgeneration]

is anyone out there doing turbo manifolds?

[Justin86]

hum I should be making one here soon.

[3rdgeneration]

let me know what your looking to charge cause im intrested

[great86er]

Hey... I'll take one of those to. Should be the same for carb 2.0 LX right?

[3rdgeneration]

any word for the turbo manifold?

[gekko]

i got the money , any header soon :thumbup:

[87_HaTcH]

yea my piping is 2.5 from the header. 1 pipe from the manifold. Would that be a different connection that the header and down pipe right?

[5spdaccordlxi]

i'm interested

[NXRacer]

thanks for reminding me. this needs to be closed. Justin86's header(s) would be a better option i think. Ima gonna close this thead.

for info on Justins header, click here:
http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41761

[A20A1]

thanks for reminding me. this needs to be closed. Justin86's header(s) would be a better option i think. Ima gonna close this thead.

for info on Justins header, click here:
http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41761


I think this is the link now.
http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6466