Ignition Coil Thread (UNDER CONSTRUCTION)

[riced_roach]

You have primary and then secondary. Remember the coil is a transformer which is basically a step up transformer. There are more windings in the secondary cct. The aftermarket coil should meet the same resistance in the factory specifications. primary resistance is checked by putting a ohms meter between the +ve and -ve of the terminals.

Well the thing is depending on what kind of system the older ones had an internal ballast resistor or some had external ones. I would assume a non ballast resistor type coil has aprox 1 ohms or so and the ones with an internal ballast has 2-4 ohms. I think the claim of having too a high primary resistance will create a miss is bullsh!!

resistance may effect how the primary voltage energizes the primary coil. The MSD systems use the HVC coils in the digital 6 units to engergize the primary faster with low primary resistance. Too much to discuss but basically get a coil with close to factory specs.

[cruznz]

coil faults normally occur once they have heated up,which would cause a miss or no-start fault

[A20A1]

What coil did you get? Did you mount it properly? Some coils need to be held a certain way.

My coil says to use a ballast resistor but we don't need one.
Make sure the spark isn't arching to one of the terminals. I had to use electrical tape and a thicker wire boot.

[FoX]

i had gotten a cheapy accel coil, i am going to get a blaster 2 next week.

[A20A1]

Blaster 2 and the Accel super stock are very simmilar, I have both and never notticed a difference between the two. I also have a large accel super coil and that one out performs both... I've also heard good things about the MSD Blaster SS.

[FoX]

do you have a part number for the super coil that out performs? i think i want to try that one.

[Blkblurr]

I aggree with Riced Roach. Primary resistance has nothing to do with missing. Shorting due to low resistance (ie a water problem or poor insulation) can cause this. The high voltage produced by the secondary will arc over when the insulation is bad or water causes lower resistance internally. When arcing occurs, no spark gets to your plugs.

[atom1414]

ups dropped off my accel coil yesterday. I rigged it up with my friend. couple questions I have is,
did you guys have any problems reaching the positive and negitive wire to the coil?
and what advantages did you guys get out of it??

[od2681]

i had some trouble but it worked out fine...
I for one felt that the car would rev a little quicker now...heard some pss noise from exhaust for some reason..hahah...
and gas mileage is a little better

[atom1414]

the positive and negitive connecters are exposed. do they need to be coverd with something, or will they be okay??

pss noise??

[keruhas184]

this post did not exist . . . :cool:

[lucky_87LX]

What other things do I have to do to my car when i put on my new coil? :)

[k-roy]

Not really much. Maybe increase the gap on your spark plugs. I replaced mine and gapped them to .050 inches and advanced the timing a few degrees.

[customandsound]

why can't i get in to the how to on this ?

[A20A1]

http://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?t=114

what do you mean by get into?

[zuhalter]

I have increased my ponies by placing a little K&N Filter sticker on the little back driver's side window.

A few days ago I went out and bought the Accel Super Stock Coil. Took me maybe 20 min to put in, and works fine. I noticed the idling seemed to be better, the car seemed to respond a bit quicker (accelerating), and the top end felt better as well. Not as much of a difference from getting the NGK V-power plugs and 8mm wires, but it helped. Also I have my plugs gapped to just over 0.050. Also, I had my plugs gapped before I had the coil, the car seemed to perform better. I am not sure if the coil has helped THAT much, but the old one was just that, old, so at very least it can be written off as maintenance. I paid about 47 bucks CND from PartSource. They said the MSD was more expensive, but as I read on here the Accel was better? Anyways, good luck.

Lee

[romeosaccord]

im also having idleing problems with my 89, i just ordered a header for it friday, and i already have the hi flow cat and cat back, this week im getting a new coil

[SharkyX]

i put the coil on and now my idle drops a bit at stop, also if im in reverse and turning or anything it stalls, it seems like my idle is waaayyy too low compared to what it was, any ideas guys. Also i drive an Automatic. Fuel Injected

[shepherd79]

get 5 speed, LOL.
but on serious note. get carb cleaner and spray the insides of TB and intake manifold.
it helped me. after 20 minutes of cleaning my idle jumped by 300 rpm. it fells a hole lot better when accelerate.

[SharkyX]

if all that was dirty wouldnt it have done that with my stock coil on? what is it about the blaster coil that could trigger something like that? also, just to be sure, the screw that i turn to rais idle , i take that completly out and spray that and the inside through that hole? Alos do i do the cleaning with the car off or on.

[accordlxi2.0]

you got a blaster 2 coil??
i just got one in i'm sorry for interupting . . . . . . . . . . .but how would you go about putting one in???

[od2681]

adjust ur idol
it shouldnt do that though
after i installed my accel super stock...it idols at 600 or below sometimes on hot days..haha...and never stalls

[SharkyX]

you got a blaster 2 coil??
i just got one in i'm sorry for interupting . . . . . . . . . . .but how would you go about putting one in???

i followed the turorial for the acell coil thats in the "How To" section of the forum. Same install

[SharkyX]

yea noticed car idols way higher in Park then in drive, never paid attention before. but i sdjusted it up and it seems ok now. Just didnt realize it would do that lol. Wish i could find out what the exact reason is.

[shepherd79]

i am telling you, your TB is dirty.
remove the air intake hose, ad spray the carb cleaner in there.
let is soak. you will see some dirty brown may be black stuff running out. start the car, it may take a while since carb cleaner doesn't ignite very good.
after you have your motor running. just keep spraying and reving the motor.
shut the car off. open the throttle body (engine off) and spray everywhere. go get dinner or smoke break or whatever.
come back. start the car and spray again with the engine on.
let it idle after that for about 10 minutes.
after this kind of cleaning you will see your idle will jump higher.
the carb cleanner $1.99-2.99. 30-40 minutes of your time, better idling car= priceless.

[SharkyX]

lol ive said in multiple post how much of a moron i am with mecanicle stuff, only reason i got the coil on wuz cuz there were pictures. i dont know where half this stuff is.

[od2681]

lol ive said in multiple post how much of a moron i am with mecanicle stuff, only reason i got the coil on wuz cuz there were pictures. i dont know where half this stuff is.
i still dont know a lot aobut htis stuff...but youll learn...once you have a 3g, you wil learn all sorts of shit :rockon:

[Vinny]

In addition to what Alex mentioned double check your splices and connections just to make sure they are good and no connections are crossed

[BLck89accord]

i had this same problem when i installed my accel super stock a long while back. Get new spark plugs, and not just some cheap walmart ones. NGk iridiums, denso's, and i even used bosch +4 platinum's at that time, but something new, because the old plugs can't really handle all the new and excess power that ur coil is sending. I changed the plugs and it worked flawlessly. Eventually went with aftermarket wires from NGK and that made it even better. Give it a try. I'll bet it works for ya. Hope this helps!

R©

[POS carb]

r u sure the wires aren't reversed?

[accordlxi2.0]

hmmm . . . that did'nt happen when i installed my msd today.
well i started it up (without gapping) it idled @ 650, for a few seconds, then all of a sudden it shot up to 950rpms.

[SharkyX]

im sure the wires arent revered, it idles fine in park, its when i drop it into drive or reverse that the rpms drop

[SharkyX]

anyone? also it only does this when it is warm

[smufguy]

ur fast idle valve might be leaking so check that. If u hear a hizzzz after u unscrew the two phillips head screws then u need a new fast idle valve. Always adjust the idle stop screw, before u adjust the fast idle valve, in that way u dont screw up ur idle valve. The rubber gasket tends to get torn apart under full tightening, so avoid that.

ALso, what kinda fuel pressure are u running and always check ur ignition timing after that. I dont know about the how-to, but usually follow the instructions and ask the tech guys at the product website for detailed trouble shooting.

ALso, for the last note, get a can of engine restore and a bottle of gas treatment (not the fuel system cleaner or injector cleaner) and add em in.

After all u do it, u will feel a difference. Im saying it because my car started to have a bad idle, jumping up and down after every ecu reset, so i got myself some gas treatment, cause i think my tank is fucked up too much and also the engine restore really works magic on ur engine and the valvetrain.

[SharkyX]

whats the fast idle valve look like? the only thing i have adjusted is the the lil silver screw that a flathead fits into, also how do i check my fuel preasure? i was wondering if my distrubtor rotor could be almost shot and maybe the coil just juices it a lil more than it can handle, havent pulled it off so im just gonna spend the $20 to replace the cap and rotor.

[smufguy]

fast idle valve is the valve with two phillips screw right behind the intake manifold right of the throttle body.

[1988starter]

whats the fast idle valve look like? the only thing i have adjusted is the the lil silver screw that a flathead fits into, also how do i check my fuel preasure? i was wondering if my distrubtor rotor could be almost shot and maybe the coil just juices it a lil more than it can handle, havent pulled it off so im just gonna spend the $20 to replace the cap and rotor.

I would replace the plugs cap and rotor also check make sure the ignition coil wire going from the coil to the cap is reaching the contacts inside the coil I had to move my boot back a but to get a good connection.

[SharkyX]

i actually think i found the culpret, out of curiosity i went to autozone and picked up the accel coil due to the fact that the car didnt do this till the blaster coil went on, it was used when i got it so, anyways i put the new coil on and guess what, it seems to be back to normal and idling correctly, idles a tad low when the fans kick in but i think thats a norm for our cars. ill have to drive it a bit more to know for sure but so far so good.

[Jokez]

If you have a low idle, I would first check the PCV.

[SharkyX]

im pretty sure it was the coil, runs 10x better now with the new one on there, does anyone know if MSD will warrenty there coils out?

[soljaboy2000]

Okay as you know you have splice the wires to the stock ignition coil in order to put an Accel on....Okay I just found out my Accel coil not making spark with ground so I need to put stock ignition coil on but I dont have the original connectors...So...I need know which wires goes to what connection on the stock igniton coil>>>>!!!!!!!???????

[k-roy]

Here is a pic of the stock coil
http://www.geocities.com/honda_club_egypt/7759413-1575-028001E0-.txt'
Hope it helps

[soljaboy2000]

Thank you so much...........you are a life saver......(I love 3geez.com)...okay let me get to work to see will she come alive!!!!!!!!!!!!

[soljaboy2000]

AGH!!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!!!!! Okay I put in stock coil and tested spark by putting screwdriving in the wire and such and still no spark!!!! WTF....all fuses are good so what can it be???

[k-roy]

Either bad wiring or a bad distributor.
I got a spare dizzy laying around if you want it for cheap.

[soljaboy2000]

I just bought a new rotor and cap for it today!!!!.....@$%#%#$%$^#$^
Maybe I should just fuel injected or 4 gee...

[A20A1]

I'm telling you, get my weber... I'll install it for ya... I have the other efi distributor and extra harnesses for the coil if you want it.

[A20A1]

If you want you can take a few electrical things from my car... nothing major.... but I always planned on redoing the wiring anyways.

oh are you sure it's not an igition switch problem... like that is causing your pump not to get power and your coild not to get power... but if you jiggle the key in the ignition then it works...

also the stator reluctor allignment could be off.

[soljaboy2000]

I realigned the stator thing when I was replacing the rotor.....I'll try to jiggle the ignition once my battery finshes charging from numerous cranking.....

[86LXItooFAST4me]

do our cars have ignition solinoids on carb?? or is it just the ignitor? i would say its the ignitor.

[SteveDX89]

Check all your fuses. Underhood and dash. The big 70 amp battery fuse may have blown in the underhood box

[cruznz]

sounds like a wiring fault.....check to see if power is going to positive of coil with ignition on

[soljaboy2000]

Every single fuse is goooood...... even the big ones....I am getting power from positive wire of the coil.... thats how I first detimined that the Accel coil was bad. But when I put the stock coil back in.....still does not make spark.

[cruznz]

are you getting power on the neg side of coil while cranking?

[soljaboy2000]

yes......i put a wire straight from neg. of battery when i redid all my grounds

[cruznz]

yes......i put a wire straight from neg. of battery when i redid all my grounds

hope you dont mean you put a neg wire on the neg side of coil,.....when cranking engine neg side of coil will read 12v on/off

[soljaboy2000]

No.....the top nut (where little black relay looking thing is at) on the bracket that holds the coil has wire leading to the neg battery terminal. so I know its getting neg. power. I double checked with my meter also

[cruznz]

i gather the black box you mention is the capacitor, should be connected to pos side of coil, if you're getting the right voltages at either side of coil, remove coil lead from dissy, grab a spark plug with a wide gap, and check for a bright spark while cranking

[soljaboy2000]

Okay....I hope these picture makes everything easier...


First of all...every fuse pulled and checked....
http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo04/cb/8d/1782ad3efdc8.jpg?_rh=r5x5vc9cpw0huvwmug0vz1ja
Also in the engine....
http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo04/d6/35/9741d873908d.jpg?_rh=7mxs0s464na9s1vtgmnpj8uky

Both negative wires from coil has power...
http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo09/bb/e3/27481d330721.jpg?_rh=clrg886kwwpvw0f1he65lqznq
http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo07/5e/61/12223e694930.jpg?_rh=5uoehoestt264bx89gflln69l

The positive wire on the right side of coil (the thicker one) has power when igtion is in ON position...
http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo05/93/13/637d36517dad.jpg?_rh=et65zfumsocwykgoyfjlvp9nx

The other positive wire on the left side of coil does not have power when igniton is in ON position....is this because it's not connected to coil????
http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo01/bf/63/fe14cfa55f41.jpg?_rh=52rou3mw07nh9yxcg4nmks2mq

[cruznz]

you should only be getting power at neg side of coil when cranking, will be an on/off volt signal....sounds like you may have some wiring round the wrong way....

[soljaboy2000]

is that on both negative sides??

[cruznz]

you mean both small pins on the neg side?. yeh.....pos side will be constant 12v with key on

[soljaboy2000]

I think this black box relay thing is not giving power to the dizzy....When I check the wires I get power from one but no power from the wire that goes to the dizzy when the igntion is on.....can I join the two wires temporarly to see will it start??
http://www.t-mobilepictures.com/photos/photo01/29/41/0f0bf0b56d5c.jpg?_rh=9kodf2q0gd0g0jrl14i9wdgk4

[A20A1]

Yeah, but cross your fingers. :D

don't kill me if somehting goes wrong.

[cruznz]

what are the wire colour codes you have going to the pos. and neg. of the coil?

[soljaboy2000]

the blue wires are the negative and black wire with yellow stripe is the positive

[cruznz]

in your last pic of the condenser.....blk/y wire and a blk wire....where are they going to?......blk/y to pos of coil.......blk to dissy?

[rollinhnda88]

i just installed the msd blaster 2 coil and i did it exaclty how all the how-to's said and by reading all of the other forums and my car fired right up after i installed and and drove great for about and hour and a half the then i was driving down the road and it just died and it will not start back up i checked everything all the connections and stuff and nothing was out of wack i even put the stock coil back in the car and it still wont start not getting any spark at all and i checked all of the connections and wiring and nothing was fried from what i could see........ could this problem be because i didnt put the ballast resistor inline with the system because i read on here that you didnt need it my car is a 1988 Honda Accord Lx (carb) if anybody knows what the problem could be i would apprieciate sombodys help because that is my car to get to and from work and i need it so if anybody knows what the problem could be and how to fix it. It would help ALOT!!!!! Thanks Allan

[A20A1]

yeah you don't need the resistor.

[rollinhnda88]

yeah you don't need the resistor.
so do you think you might know what it could be im thinking the ignitor becuase i wasnt getting any juice form that

[A20A1]

This is pretty akward seeing that just recently soneone had their igniter go out on them after they had installed a coil... I don't understand though casue I used all of the coils in question from MSD to ACCEL... and never had a problem with the igniter malfunctioning. If you said you tested it and it's dead then go ahead and replace it... but just make sure it's not a loose or fried wires to/from the ignitier or a blown fuse or something.

[rollinhnda88]

This is pretty akward seeing that just recently soneone had their igniter go out on them after they had installed a coil... I don't understand though casue I used all of the coils in question from MSD to ACCEL... and never had a problem with the igniter malfunctioning. If you said you tested it and it's dead then go ahead and replace it... but just make sure it's not a loose or fried wires to/from the ignitier or a blown fuse or something.
i just took my volt meter and tested those wires like four different ways and didnt really get anything but im not sure that is how you test it...... if i do replace that and it runs would it be a good idea to get accel because that just seems like everybody likes it the best anyways ill just return the msd coil and tell them it didnt work and get the accel coil...... and when i go to replace the ignitor how do i get that reluctor off???? so does this seem to be a comon problem and that it could be my problem

[A20A1]

the the ignitor is like $100 new... grab one from the junk yard from the same style distributor.. or get the entire distributor, in good condition.

The reluctor can be pried upwards by using 2 flat head screw drivers at opposite sides od the reluctor shaft...

Both MSD and ACCEL canister coils are about the same. I have an accel but it's not the Canister style...

http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/7/web/319000-319999/319268_75_full.jpg

[rollinhnda88]

the the ignitor is like $100 new... grab one from the junk yard from the same style distributor.. or get the entire distributor, in good condition.

The reluctor can be pried upwards by using 2 flat head screw drivers at opposite sides od the reluctor shaft...

Both MSD and ACCEL canister coils are about the same. I have an accel but it's not the Canister style... http://www.cardomain.com/id/a20a1e
the bad thing is, is that tomorrow is sunday and no junkyards are open i dont think and i have to be at work at 8 in the morn on monday

[A20A1]

Well good luck finding the ignitor, it isn't an off the shelf item... usually they'd only sell the remanufactured distributor if they have it in stock... either the TEC or HITATCHI... for the carbed motor.

[rollinhnda88]

Well good luck finding the ignitor, it isn't an off the shelf item... usually they'd only sell the remanufactured distributor if they have it in stock... either the TEC or HITATCHI... for the carbed motor.
well hopfully when i wake up and go to autozone in the morning they have it on the shelf because i looked on the internet on there website and its 89 bucks but i need it so i guess im going to have to buy it im just hoping that if i buy this that it will fix my problem and it will be ok becuase if its not that then i have notta clue

[rollinhnda88]

Well i got it fixed when i woke up this morning i had it towed home and started calling around for that ignitor or as it was called when i bought it the ignition modual...... i called every auto parts store and junk yard around here and everybody was either closed or they had to order it but i was lucky enough to find one in a town about 20 minutes away from here at advance auto parts..... but put the new module in and it runs now so that made me happy.. lol. plus it runs even better than when i had the other ignition module in there before i put the msd in the car i think that the ignitor was just old and wore out and when i put the msd on there it just went out because it was so old..... but i took the msd back and got the accel to see how good it works but ill post and let everybody know how it went but im going to wait a couple days to put it in so the ignitor has time to "break its self in" before i put the coil on there but thanks for your help later

[HondaBoy]

yeah, let us know how that works out, that could be helpful to any of us running an original part as you were. also, how many miles were on your car when it went out? just curious.

[rollinhnda88]

yeah, let us know how that works out, that could be helpful to any of us running an original part as you were. also, how many miles were on your car when it went out? just curious.
154,300 miles

[buzzbomber88lx]

arent you able to ditch the ignitor??? you can on my car.....

[TheMagi]

I am interested in getting a good quality coil to go with my new wires and distributor....any suggestions?
Thanks!

[keruhas184]

did you try using search?

ok, the best choice: accel super coil (big yellow one) or MSD blaster SS (looks like a house)

other than that, a cheap and good solution is an accel super stock coil.

use EBAY

[Vinny]

I've got a blaster 2 on the hatch. I may be going with a b;aster SS if you're interested :D

[shepherd79]

any coil is a lot better than stock coil.
I have accel super stock coil. never had any problem.

[adams86lxi]

i have the msd blaster 2 coil and i like it alot! plus its smog legal here in cali.

[A20A1]

Blaster SS or the one I have. :D

Be on the look out for new products... but I doubt there can be any new significant breakthru in the coil designs.... unless it uses some new materials.

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/319268/2

[k-roy]

I got the Accel SS coil and it definitly made a differance.
IF you buy a new coil (witch you should) check the HOWTO section, there is a thread there on installing them.

[mr eff]

hey, any of you guys who've mounted the accel super stock coil (massive thing), could you share what you've done, please? i have one, but it looks terribly out of place in my bay. not to mention that it's yellow, which draws the eye to my hideous mounting job =D

chris

[A20A1]

hey, any of you guys who've mounted the accel super stock coil (massive thing), could you share what you've done, please? i have one, but it looks terribly out of place in my bay. not to mention that it's yellow, which draws the eye to my hideous mounting job =D

chris

Since you are EFI, mount that sucker on the firewall.

http://memimage.cardomain.com/member_images/7/web/319000-319999/319268_75_full.jpg

[TheMagi]

This sucker looks pretty serious for the litte 2.0! Thanks for the input guys.
Don
:rockon:

[rollinhnda88]

arent you able to ditch the ignitor??? you can on my car.....
how would i be able to ditch the ignitor?????? dont i need it to run because if mine went out it still should have ran and it didnt......

i got the accel on and gapped my plugs to .50 and i didnt notice that much of a change if any didnt notice any hp increase....... any sudgestions on what to do????

[TheMagi]

Am i to understand from this thread that If I install my new MSD Blaster 2 coil I will have another component fail? Is this because the afyermarket coil is too much for the stock system? I need to know this before cutting up my coil wires.... :sad2:

[rollinhnda88]

Am i to understand from this thread that If I install my new MSD Blaster 2 coil I will have another component fail? Is this because the afyermarket coil is too much for the stock system? I need to know this before cutting up my coil wires.... :sad2:
no you wont have to put anything else on it it will work with the stock system... i just happend to be unfortanit... but it does happen to people but not that often i was just unlucky i guess......

[DeathRat]

yeah you don't need the resistor.
I just installed a MSD Blaster 2 coil on my 88 LX Carbed engine. You need the resistor actually or could burn out the wiring. It even says so in the MSD Coil's instructions if you're not installing it with a MSD Control Box.

[A20A1]

The question is to those who have experienced problems without the resistor...

How good were the connections.
Resistance from poor contact will build up excess heat and eventually burn the wire or the component... I've had no trouble with any of the 3 coils I've used.

My connections are spliced, soldered, crimped to give the best contact... I even replaced wires that were old before installation.

[rollinhnda88]

The question is to those who have experienced problems without the resistor...

How good were the connections.
Resistance from poor contact will build up excess heat and eventually burn the wire or the component... I've had no trouble with any of the 3 coils I've used.

My connections are spliced, soldered, crimped to give the best contact... I even replaced wires that were old before installation.
I used wire connectors and all of that crimped them to boot.... but i put the new accel coil in there and its still running put it in earlier today and runs good but there wasnt much of a different in hp gain anything i could do in that area to help increase the hp because my car needs all the help it can get lol is it possible to take the ignitor off and run the coil.... i dont think its possible

how good will the car run if i kept the coil on there and got some of those plug wires with capaciters built in the wire and got some real good plugs made for all of that, because im running the accel coil now and new plugs and plug wires just have the plugs gaped at .50 and i didnt notice much of a difference

[TheMagi]

I just installed a MSD Blaster 2 coil on my 88 LX Carbed engine. You need the resistor actually or could burn out the wiring. It even says so in the MSD Coil's instructions if you're not installing it with a MSD Control Box.
Is this an additional component? I want to make sure i don't have problems after i install my new Blaster 2 coil....

[Vinny]

I just installed a MSD Blaster 2 coil on my 88 LX Carbed engine. You need the resistor actually or could burn out the wiring. It even says so in the MSD Coil's instructions if you're not installing it with a MSD Control Box.

Not Correct, the resistor is for points style or mallory unilite setups. On newer ignition setups you do not need the resistor. I know it says something about "When you are using an MSD Ignition Control, the Ignition is responsible for delivering the voltage to the coil so a ballast is not necessary" Well guess what, 2 of the wires you spliced are carrying the voltage to the coil, so no resistor is needed. We don't use point on our cars

[TheMagi]

Not Correct, the resistor is for points style or mallory unilite setups. On newer ignition setups you do not need the resistor. I know it says something about "When you are using an MSD Ignition Control, the Ignition is responsible for delivering the voltage to the coil so a ballast is not necessary" Well guess what, 2 of the wires you spliced are carrying the voltage to the coil, so no resistor is needed. We don't use point on our cars

[skull1441]

if u have a radar detector, get good sp wires with it , the kind that blocks radio frequency crap or w/e its called cus it'll interfere with ur detector and it will drive u nuts

[speedpenguin]

if you don't like the color then paint it.
and paint your valve cover to match like A20A1.
fuggin brilliant man

[TheMagi]

I actually measured passing from 40-60 mph before and after my coil install. (I got the MSD Blaster 2.)
Before, 6.4 seconds
After, 4.0 seconds.
Really feels like alot more...I think putting a coil on is a very worthwhile mod.
:rockon:

[AccordAddict]

so what does a coil basically improve???

[keruhas184]

If your alternator is in good condition a new coil will give you a higher voltage spark. Having a better spark you can now regap your spark plugs to a larger gap. larger gap = more power. It also improves the idle a bit, if you don't crazily overgap the plugs.

[AccordAddict]

do you get any extra horses?

[A20A1]

you can run a richer mixture with a better ignition system... and that can give you some more power...

the coil is more for consitancy IMO

[AccordAddict]

Im installing a new tach but im a newb, can someone help me find my ignition coil, i know what it is and everything just not sure where its located.. :sad2:
I have an 86 LXi if that helps. thanks alot

[AccordAddict]

damn, i found it, but i dont know where to hook up my tach, does anyone know? like what wire goes where.. plz help. thank you

[Jokez]

It hooks up through the dist, from what i have been told

[Mike's89AccordLX]

No the tach hooks up to the ignition coil. Some cars you can hook it up to the dizzy but ours it hooks up to the coil.

[AccordAddict]

heh, i got it setup, thanks though

[AccordAddict]

does pepboys carry MSD Blasters? Is accel the same quality of MSD because im thinking of getting the Accel Super Coil, think it has the same improvement????? thanks

[k-roy]

Thats good to hear. I have an accel and its great. Im never gonna roll on a stock coil again

[AccordAddict]

did it have improvements like "The Magi" had?

[k-roy]

I dunno about a 2.4 second increase, probably half of that. But I still like it a lot.
His original coil must have been bad, I can not imagine that much improvement from a $50 part.

[AccordAddict]

so you still get more response though, right? oh, and i was wondering about the connections. the factory one has these clip on connectors on the end of the wires to the coil, and the aftermarket one just has these two screws sticking out, how do you connect the wires to it?????? strip off the old connector and twist them around the screws???? help, thanks

[k-roy]

How-To install an ACCEL coil (http://3geez.com/showthread.php?t=114)

Yes I have more response now. Do not forget to get new plugs and increase the gap, or else you will not notice much of an increase.

[AccordAddict]

i got new plugs about a month ago, Autolite Double Platinums. i dont know anything about that gap stuff though, is it easy to "gap" it??? what do i need to do?!!!?!?!?!?!?!

[netfreak]

you need to get a feeler guage and get the gap size out of the shop manual. setting the gap is relatively simple

[AccordAddict]

wtf is a feeler guage? where do i get one, how much are they? and i dont have a shop manual, does anyone here know the size? we all own 3gee's!

[Underdog]

http://www.pauldesign.ru/honda/shopmanual.html

[k-roy]

SEtting the gap is pretty simple. You can get a spark plug gap gauge at any parts store. They sell keychain ones at Autozone, they are usually on a display on the counter. Its round.

After you get the gauge measure the gap, the take a screwdriver and carfeully pry the arm away from the electrode. If you go too far push it against a desk to decrease the gap.

[AccordAddict]

does this mean i have to remove the spark plugs from the engine? if so then im not doing it; it was hell getting those things in there. im gonna check out the shop manual, why do i need it? I dont know shit about "Gapping." if i get the new super coil do you know how much i need to gap it, or does the manual tell me?

[AccordAddict]

mmmk. i checked out the shop manual, and i think i know how to gap it now lol. you stick that gap guage in between the electrode and the thing and push the arm thing down on it. so that must mean i have to take the plugs out?? FUCK! is it REALLY necessary to gap them because of a new coil? if so then i guess ill do it but that is hell.

[AccordAddict]

so is it really necessary to gap it???

[k-roy]

Gapping plugs is super easy. If you don't want to do it then you might as well not get a new coil.

[86LXItooFAST4me]

How-To install an ACCEL coil (http://3geez.com/showthread.php?t=114)

Yes I have more response now. Do not forget to get new plugs and increase the gap, or else you will not notice much of an increase.


"The next thing you could do is increase the gap in your spark plugs. I made mine .050"

wouldnt that make the cyl fires WAY hotter? and causeing the engine to run hotter?

[86LXItooFAST4me]

also put some anti sieze on your plugs next time you take them out and it wont be such a bitch to change them again.

[AccordAddict]

i put anti sieze on the ones i have in now in. The pain was getting the ratchet to fit in the small space so i can screw the damn plugs in. I cant see under there either. it is a big pain. so thats the big pain, i would think the only time i'd gap them is if i were replacing old with new. but if its worth the increase ill do it.

[therock]

where can i buy this mod thats on this page can someone give me a link also my car is a honda accord lxi 4dr 5spd 87 and how much do they go for you can also send me a private message to so i see it quicker

[netfreak]

get a spark plug removal tool. i used to have the plug slipping out of the socket and even worse the socket falling off the ratchet and sitting in the hole... special plug removal tools can reach in and they grip the plug pretty good so it doesnt fall out of the socket

[AccordAddict]

ithink my dad has a special tool like that, its a socket wrench but its like completely straight, no angles. but i dont think theres enough space in there to even fit the socket between my engine wall and spark plug. it sucks.

[tatmark1]

buy a spark plug socket it has a rubber boot in it to hold the plug in, also a swival extention would help you :uh:

[TheMagi]

I dunno about a 2.4 second increase, probably half of that. But I still like it a lot.
His original coil must have been bad, I can not imagine that much improvement from a $50 part.

Yea, my stock coil was shot.

[AccordAddict]

Ok i see three different Accel coils at pepboys, im gonna get one tommorow. they dont have the original Accel Super Stock coil that is round, they do have one that looks just like the accel super coil but its smaller for $50. And also they have the Accel Super Coil for $60 and an Accel HEI Super Coil. Which should i get? i heard the super coil isnt worth it unless you have tons of mods. i want to get the $50 one but ive never seen it before have you guys? Its the Accel super stock coil, its not round, its like a square, looks like the super coil but its not. Should i get it? or are the round ones better?

[AccordAddict]

oh, btw i looked for pics of the super stock coil (Square shaped one) and couldnt find one. went to pepboys.com too

[keruhas184]

well, you could have found a lot of stuff using search :rolleyes: Use ebay man. For just a little wait you save like $20-$30. I personally have msd blaster ss - works great even on a dying alt...

[AccordAddict]

actually i found a pic of what im tlaking about but the description says its a Accel GM HEI Remote Mount Super Coil??? but thats not what the box said at pepboys, dunno but... i dont think its gonna work. the shitheads at pepboys dont have a super stock coil which pisses me off. advanced doesnt either, and autzone is far away from here. FUCK!. does anyone know what im tlaking, that has a different descrioption than what i said before.

[keruhas184]

If you want a coil right away, just look for one with a "universal" sign on the box. I'm telling you, go ebay for the right stuff.

[AccordAddict]

i dont like to wait on things. have to get them tommorow.

[A20A1]

Did you look on my cardoamain site? I have the big coil...

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/319268/2

[AccordAddict]

yeah its a nice coil. i wanna get it, but something unexpected came up, my tweeters blew, gotta buy new speakers, and gotta pay the parking fee for school parking so im limited to a $50 coil instead of $60 (Pepboys). or i wont get my lip, which i want really bad.

[A20A1]

don't buy the regular accel coil...

[AccordAddict]

i dont have that many extreme mods so it wont really make a diff will it?

[AccordAddict]

Ah, i just got an accel super stock coil. I hooked everything up, but the ignition wire does not slip on!!! its a stock ignition wire, i have upgraded plug wires though, but... why wont this fit??? should i rip the boot off, or do any stores sell the ignition wire by themselves? HELP PLZ!!!

[AccordAddict]

ANYONE??? im in the proccess of installing rightnow, plz help ASAP!!! thanks

[hondamanlxi]

in the box w/the coil should be a wide boot for the coil plug wire! if not just force that boot to go over it and zip-tie in place!

[AccordAddict]

Oh Yeah@! Lol Thanks Thats What Thats For!!!!!!!!!!

[AccordAddict]

YES! ITS INSTALLED. a feel a nice improvement! i actually dont think its necessary to gap my spark plugs to .050 becuase my dad says they were pre gapped from the factory? is this true? i have autolite double platinums. ummm so i should take them out sould i?

[shepherd79]

change the plug to NGK.
they are the same price but a lot better quality.
NGK is factory plugs. plus when they come, they are gapped to .044 and it is .001 more than it needs to be. factory is about .038 - .043
if i was you i would leave the gap at .045

['89AccordLX(Rus)]

Never ever trust the factory gaps. The manufacturer may state that the plug is pre-gapped for your application, but I have found even good quality plugs to be out of spec. It is always a good idea to double check the gap, especially if you are using a performance ignition system where the gap needs to be greater.

[AccordAddict]

hmmm damn. i would do it if it were easy put changing plugs is a bitch with this car. the plugs always fall out, they never want to screw in, i cant get them in straight, and i can barely squeeze the ratchet in the space. it took over an hour to install them. maybe ill get a mechanic to do it for me cuz i dont wanna do that shit. and i would only gap them when i first get new plugs and im changing them. ive only had these plugs for like a month so far i guess there still good and im gonna stay with them cuz $40's for plugs adds up.

[AccordAddict]

that would be hard to gap those boshe +4's cuz theres 4 electrodes (or arm thingys) and there very close together, how would you do it? those might be my next plugs.

[AccordAddict]

hmm actually once i come to think about it, i didnt feel much of an increase at all, i have a stock ignition wire, if i get a new one will i feel a diff???

[shepherd79]

you won't fell any diff untill you put CAI full exhaust and ignition,

[AccordAddict]

damn. i have short ram, and have a muffler, so now i need an msd ingition? how much do those run for? and i now i dont have full exhaust... :rolleyes:

[AccordAddict]

oh ya, about my plugs. i wouldve gotten NGK but these showed up as 5 stars onthe computer and the NGK's were 3 stars so i got these, or maybe the ngk's were higher cost, i was on a tight budget.

[mr eff]

i paid like 3$ for a set of NGKs... so i doubt that was the reason you didn't buy them! at any rate, it shouldn't be that difficult to change your plugs. considering you do have the platinums already, you can't regap them. the four prong spark plugs are already set up a certain way, and there's nothing you can do about it.

as for performance, the ignition system functions as a complement. the other upgrades you have in your car are brought to life, as it were, by having good spark. you don't need an ignition box for what you've got under your hood. from what i understand, an ignition box would really only help turbo or nitrous applications. not limited to, of course, but overkill otherwise.

hope that helps,
chris

[A20A1]

If you are runnig richer then the ignition box helps...
You need a header and exhaust before your muffler will do much good.

your intake wont bring in more air if you can't get more air out...

[3gboricuaRACER]

Does that accel coil give u better performance. I though that would do anything.

[AccordAddict]

I didnt feel much performance at all. A20a1 do you think if i get an MSD Ignition box (or if accel makes one ill get that, but msd is the easiest to find) and an accel ignition wire ill feel a little difference, you know more than i do .. :D. thanks

[A20A1]

Ignition isn't performance, on it's own...

Power can come from a richer mixture with a little more timing advance along with other mods that need the "Ignition" to be consistant and stong enough to ignite the mixture... so upgrading the coil , wires, plugs and adding a ignition box will help in that respect... without tuning your motor, the Upgraded ingnition will give you the consitancy and the strong spark, but thats it... the thing you need to do is work on tuning your motor with the parts you have or the parts you will get.

Which coil did you get BTW Round or Square?

[tatmark1]

plugs are super easy on this car.................

[AccordAddict]

i got.. the round one. i didnt have enough for the square. and didnt think i'd need it for the small amount of mods i have.

[AccordAddict]

oh btw how much are MSD Ignition boxes???