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88ACCORDLXFaSho
05-01-2002, 05:24 PM
So, I want to get one, but I have a few questions:
Where is the best place to get one?
Is there a certain one for our car, or is there a universal one?

Thanks.

(whats up with my posts starting over again, and all yours leaving off from the old board?!?)

AccordChemist
05-01-2002, 05:49 PM
yea its the universal one, any auto parts store should have em...

GDGuy11B
05-01-2002, 06:24 PM
yeah, after you get it...look in the how-to section for my how-to on the accel coil..piece of cake.


Micah

88ACCORDLXFaSho
05-02-2002, 09:46 PM
Great, thanks!

A20A1
05-20-2002, 06:36 PM
I need to know the highest Revs for the accel coil... did anyone that bought the coil still have the box or the instruction sheet?

shepherd79
05-21-2002, 04:55 AM
here http://www.mrgasket.com/accelmain.html i a think you can find info there.

A20A1
05-21-2002, 07:40 PM
Shoot... I'm considering dumping my Accel Coil... It says it can only go up to 6,500... hmmm... I should be able to increase the spark gap again if i get a better coil.

A20A1
05-21-2002, 09:49 PM
Accel does make a coil that can handle higer rev's... it black and has a yellow sticker with the letter's "CD" for Capacitive Discharge.
the Rev specs are 3,000 to 10,000 or was it 8,500... either way it should fit my application nicely.

carobotics
05-27-2002, 01:19 PM
I need the part number for an accell coil that will work on our accords.
tnx guys

1988starter
05-28-2002, 07:35 AM
I think it is 8140c for the chroome one. It is a universal part and I just asked the guy at autozone for one. Also if you plan on going 2.5 for your cat back you might want a cam also or just go 2.25 that seems to work the best unkess your engine is modded to hell. That is just IMHO

carobotics
05-28-2002, 10:16 PM
excellent, thank you for answering my question, and for the suggestion.

1988starter
05-30-2002, 08:40 AM
No problem I just put one I got off ebay for 9 dollars on my GF's car she likes it she has an 86 LX.

Mantis88LX
05-30-2002, 10:39 AM
im thinking about getting one of those pretty soon, what do they do?

1988starter
05-30-2002, 11:00 AM
more power to the plugs lots of people also say gap your plugs to.050 but that is just MHO

Mantis88LX
05-30-2002, 11:13 AM
would this provide better gas milage? or would it use more gas?

my plug wires are shit so im getting better ones soon, i will pic one of these up too. how much do they usually cost? i thik the crome ones are more expensive.

1988starter
05-30-2002, 11:29 AM
Where I got mine the chrome and yellow were the samn price. I do not really know about the MPG but the box says you get more.. I got a chrome one from ebay for 9 dollars I just searched for accel coil.

Mantis88LX
05-30-2002, 12:16 PM
about how much are they new?

89accordlxi
05-31-2002, 07:59 AM
I got mine at advance auto parts for $32.
Peace!!

1988starter
05-31-2002, 09:47 AM
same with me 32 new also ebay had some new ones.

Mantis88LX
05-31-2002, 07:09 PM
gonna install it pretty soon, what kinda performance improvments can i see?

Sean
05-31-2002, 07:48 PM
depends on how crappy the stock one performed.

Mantis88LX
06-01-2002, 06:38 AM
what kinda plug wires do i need for the coil to work? the wire that runs from the distrubitor to the coil isnt big enough to fit into the accel coil, ( i think my wires are the orginal crap)

im gonna get new wires but i was wondering if anyone else has ran into this problem.

Mantis88LX
06-01-2002, 06:48 AM
ok it fits all the way on if i force it on. not sure if thats how it soposed to be or not. someone reply!

locknload68
06-01-2002, 06:50 AM
That's how mine was with the original and it worked fine. Then, I got some NGK's and it's the same way. :)

A20A1
06-01-2002, 11:26 AM
If you slide the rubber wire boot back a bit to expose the metal clip... you should be able to get it in.
But the premade wires you buy from the store usually glue the rubber boot into place so it may be hard to move.

Sabz5150
06-01-2002, 12:20 PM
You'll notice, above all else, a nice smmoth idle. Maybe some increased fuel economy. Raw performance will be minimal, however.

-5150 :bandit:

Sabz5150
06-02-2002, 05:26 PM
My Accel came with a phatty replacement boot that fit it nicely. I just replaced the old one on the coil wire with that one. No problem! :)

-5150 :bandit:

CARBurn
06-03-2002, 07:32 PM
Yeah, don't expect miracles when changing the just the coil. It would help to change also the plugs (preferably w/ NGK), wires (w/NGK), cap and rotor and some where down the line convert your ignition to CD (Capacitive discharge) with a system like Nology, MSD, crance cams, etc.

1988starter
06-04-2002, 07:52 AM
Originally posted by Sabz5150
My Accel came with a phatty replacement boot that fit it nicely. I just replaced the old one on the coil wire with that one. No problem! :)

-5150 :bandit:

Yea mine came with the phatty booy also. As for pinks car the stock wire boot fit nicely.:D

s0crates82
06-06-2002, 09:36 PM
Damn right, I went to Kragen, put down 44 dollars and change and bought myself a universal 12v Accel Ignition Coil.

I installed it according to the instructions in the FAQ.

And it ran like a dream, BUT.

I wired up my bumper lights with the relays and such so they're on permanently... and i was powering the relay setup with one of the coil power wires.

Now, with the Accel setup, no es bueno.

as soon as i flipped on my turn signals to leave my block, my engine bogs down in perfect rhythm to my blinker. 1k-750-1k-750.

i turn off the blinker, and get back home... and just for kicks i turn on my headlights... boom, engine totally dies.

ok.

so i take the relay power wire off the coil, and put it on the battery (where i should have in the first place :rolleyes: )

and the car accelerates smoothly, and without incident. it's like buttah.

... and as a side note, the bumper/fogs are brighter than ever now. :lol

smufguy
06-08-2002, 07:35 AM
tell me u got an inline fuse in it. :lol

on the previous disasterous set up (:D ) did u splice the wires to wire up the bumper lights?

gr3k0sLaV
06-22-2002, 01:28 AM
I couldn't get an Accel yet, they have to be ordered and I have to wait....so I went and installed a new ignition coil today, my mate had one in his garage. It look similar to an ACCEl, size wise and all, forget the brand name, but it had Performance coil on it....

sO i put it all in, wired it, regapped my plugs to .05....and turned the key...

it started....and she goes nicely.

The car feels like it's got a wee bit more kick in it, pulls harder at higher rpm's, feels a little more responsive with a little more go.

Most noticeable difference though, is that my exhaust doesn't smell like it used to.

Before my exhaust gas smelt pretty bad, like the fuel wasn't completely combusting, really powerful smell, now it's all but gone.

I replaced my rotor, and that was worn as all fuck.
Got new bosch 8mm wires,

beauty though the ignition coil didn't cost anything and my friend has a micro measure're thingy, the plugs are gapped at about 0.05, maybe a little bit more. Which is 1.25mm

I say to those who haven't do it.....

I dunno if I should fork out cash for an Accel though,


What is so special about the Accel super stock coils anyway?

shepherd79
06-22-2002, 04:24 AM
i am not sure what is the diff for accel coil.
when i bought mine and i found out that it has somekind of liquid inside. did yours has liquid inside?
i have no idea, but yeah, see if you can advance the timing right now, it is nice. i can go all the way to 6G with no problem.

gr3k0sLaV
06-22-2002, 10:03 AM
I need to get a timing light, then i can check/advance my timing...........i havent driven it tonight coz i mwasted..\

1988starter
06-22-2002, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by shepherd79
i am not sure what is the diff for accel coil.
when i bought mine and i found out that it has somekind of liquid inside. did yours has liquid inside?
i have no idea, but yeah, see if you can advance the timing right now, it is nice. i can go all the way to 6G with no problem.

The liquid is a coolent oil

gr3k0sLaV
06-22-2002, 08:17 PM
Nah it doesn't have liquid that I could tell.....i was kinda worried since i gapped the plugs a little over .05, i couldn't b elieve the gap difference between stock and regapped was so big.

Gotta take the car for a spin today,
i took her yesterday to my regular stretch of road, where I can just floor it for a few seconds, redlined the car without a hitch, the only smell was coming from my brakes... :D

im still really unhappy with low / end - take off.....my car just hasn't got the low end WHOOMP that im wanting.

If I get time this weekend ill borrow a timing light and do my timing, though ive never done it before, a little trial and error now that ive finally figured out how to do it.

Eventually ill get an accel, when i get some more cash....i need to get my transmission serviced, so ill take that in, so they can adjust the TV cable and all that for me....

Still though, beauty is it's bloody cold down here atm, lots of nice cool dense air flowing into my engine bay :)

n300zx
06-22-2002, 11:07 PM
What kind of gains can I expect from this??? is it worth it??

also if I do this do I need new wires(8mm) and cap and rotor???

1988starter
06-23-2002, 06:34 AM
Ebay often has cheep accel coils.

Dutchboy
06-23-2002, 11:00 AM
Just wondering if anyone knows if the coils will stop working all together if there is a problem with them,,
or can they still work but decrease the performance of the car...

I checked the resistance and couldnt get a reading from a few of the things it told me to check..My car still runs good but when its hot it sometimes is hard to start and runs rough...Is this a problem>??
Ben

ACCORD EX
06-23-2002, 01:51 PM
if i were you i would change it ! with an accel coil may be ! or a boasch ! but accel seem to work weel with our cars and there is a how to in the how to 's !

MIKE

ACCORD EX
06-23-2002, 02:06 PM
if you replace all what you stated 1 you'll restore lost power !

MIKE

accordlx
06-23-2002, 03:29 PM
The ignition coil can still work but work improperly. It will internally short out in hot weather. The first sign you will see is the tach working intermittently when it is finally ready to go totally out.

Dutchboy
06-24-2002, 03:50 PM
Thanks fo rthe info...im going to test it again with a better multimeter and then loook into getting a better coil..
I changed everything but the coil so i might as well change it to to compensate for the better wires and plugs.
Ben

jkim1978
06-25-2002, 04:58 PM
what is an accell coil do? cause everybody on this board is talking about it.. and i don't have the slightest clue what that does... and also... after i hear about what the coil actually is... how much is it... and where can i get it...

hondaman87
06-25-2002, 05:26 PM
look

TeKKnoTeKK
06-25-2002, 06:32 PM
basically what an accel coil does is help you get more voltage to the spark plugs to give you a smoother idle, easier starting, and I guess just an all around better running car. I have never really understood it myself :confused:

GDGuy11B
06-25-2002, 06:45 PM
actually hondaman, that there is an MSD blaster 2 coil...the accel coil is chrome or yellow...

Check out my how-to on this thing.

Micah

TeKKnoTeKK
06-25-2002, 07:07 PM
MSD......Accel....same thing really!:p

hondaman87
06-25-2002, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by TeKKnoTeKK
MSD......Accel....same thing really!:p





you took the words right out of my mouth

Sabz5150
06-26-2002, 03:48 AM
It's a big coil that, if touched when on, will light you up like Las Vegas at night.

-5150 :bandit:

GDGuy11B
06-26-2002, 08:08 AM
i know they're the same thing, my post was meant to be funny.

ACCORD EX
06-26-2002, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by jkim1978
what is an accell coil do? cause everybody on this board is talking about it.. and i don't have the slightest clue what that does... and also... after i hear about what the coil actually is... how much is it... and where can i get it...

an ignition coil is a device that converts the 12 V power from the battery to 12000 volt to feed the spark plugs which ignite the air and fuel in the engine !

Accel coil is just a type of ignition coil ! :D

hope this helps !

MIKE

TeKKnoTeKK
06-26-2002, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by GDGuy11B
i know they're the same thing, my post was meant to be funny.

Sorry if I had a little trouble sensing the sarcasm, but mine was meant to be funny too, so......:D


Originally posted by ACCORD EX
an ignition coil is a device that converts the 12 V power from the battery to 12000 volt to feed the spark plugs which ignite the air and fuel in the engine !

Hey Mike.....Air is flammable? I didn't know that! :p

ACCORD EX
06-26-2002, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by TeKKnoTeKK


Hey Mike.....Air is flammable? I didn't know that! :p

not like some other gasses ! :d :D :lol ( if you know what i mean ! )

J/K

MIKE

xxdelirious75xx
06-28-2002, 10:20 PM
still chugs in 3rd gear, can't bring it past 4k rpm it does the same thing in 4th gear, never tried 5th not enough road to bring it past 4k rpms :), could it be rev limiter?

hondamanlxi
06-29-2002, 05:20 AM
what do you mean get it past 4k? it stops? check your wires,plugs,rotor,button,fuel filter, and the dreaded...carb adjustments

accordlx
06-29-2002, 12:20 PM
I agree, I would move on to the plugs, wires, rotor, and distributor cap. You aren't getting enough spark. If I had to take a 1 stop fix on this, I would get the distributor cap and rotor at this juncture.

ACCORD EX
06-29-2002, 01:12 PM
what did you change in your engine ( replaced with new !)

MIKE

shepherd79
06-29-2002, 06:34 PM
well,
apparently it is eather your timming is way off,i mean way off.
or you need a good tune up.
check your timming. you can rent the light at the autozone for free.
get NGK spark plugs and wires. new cap and rotor.
i can push mine in 3 gear to 6000rpm/ 90mph. no problem.
you should be able to do the same thing.

xxdelirious75xx
06-30-2002, 12:46 AM
I had already changed the spark plug wires (ngk) and plugs (ngk) changed the distributor cap and the cap rotor, also changed the ignition coil just yesterday, still can't get it past 4k rpm in 3rd gear I think I'll get the carbeurator checked, oh and the car still has a hard time starting from cold, I gotta press the gas pedal once then turn the key then hold the gas down for a while or the engine will die from cold start, but yah the car still can't go past 4k rpms in 3rd or 4th. :(

CARBurn
06-30-2002, 11:02 PM
Don't expect big power increases when you put one on, it does help some in throttle response and starting up, but you'll really see a difference if you combine it with other engine modifications.

CoAsTeR
07-01-2002, 10:04 AM
So if I wanted to get more spark, I can get JUST the coil? Or do I need other stuff? I noticed you can get an amplifier.... can I get JUST that or do I need something to go with it. I see alot of you guys have aftermarkey coils and I was wondering if is worth it, and how I should go about getting one.........

I figure if I'm dumping more air/fuel into the motor with my weber, I should give er' some more spark......... make sense?

89AccordDXHB
07-01-2002, 10:32 AM
Please...somebody reply with more information on this. I want to buy a MSD coil. Should we get the amp as well? How much are we looking at? What model number? :rant:

shepherd79
07-01-2002, 04:51 PM
well,
i have the accel coil. I got mine from Pepboys. If i remember right it was like $30 plus tax.
I know if you want MSD one you may want to putt out a little more.
it would be nice to get MSD amp, but try with out it first. sometimes it is enough.
i would recomend get colder spark plug. i am gonna get for myself tomorrow.
i don't know what model of MSD you need, i have to look at the catalog at home( i am on vacation right now). But i know the accel coil is 1240(yellow) or 1240C (crome).
don't forget to change the gap on the spark plugs or you will burn them.
good luck.

cruznz
07-01-2002, 05:36 PM
I think the output of the coil is determined by the amount of secondary winding's it has and strength of magnet.....more winding's.....higher output(>30,000v)......bigger spark at plug's

Jerren
07-01-2002, 06:22 PM
i had the same question. so how much do they cost?

CARBurn
07-01-2002, 07:22 PM
They can cost between 30-40 dollars.

87AccordsterLx
07-02-2002, 07:57 PM
where can you get a MSD Coil... are they universal....and how hard is the install??? Thanks...

GreenMachine
07-02-2002, 10:06 PM
its pretty easy to install - just check the how too's
I got a msd blaster2 and it only took about 20 min to put in
You can get them at any auto parts store and i think they are all universal :bandit:

1988starter
07-03-2002, 10:06 AM
I have also sceen them cheep on ebay I got my gf's coil their for 9.00

1988starter
07-03-2002, 10:52 AM
Yea I got the accel and changed my gap to .054 it works well but I was thinking of getting a MSD SS coil anyone have experience with them.

staticpat
07-10-2002, 07:00 PM
whats the difference between the round super coils, and the squarish accel super coils? there all universal for any ignition, right? thanksss

1988starter
07-11-2002, 09:07 AM
I think the square ones are for larger engines I remember my old 350 had a big square one.

89AccordDXHB
07-11-2002, 09:08 AM
When shopping for a MSD Blaster 2 Coil.....must you purchase the one with or without the BALLAST resistor?




These items can be found at http://www.partsamerica.com/ !!

staticpat
07-11-2002, 04:35 PM
do you know if the universal square ones would work if i could get one real cheap?

staticpat
07-12-2002, 09:13 PM
well i checked at autozone, and they said that there about the same, just the square ones more powerful, so itll work, if anyone was wondering.

OldSchoolSwap
07-31-2002, 08:48 AM
Many of the more popular aftermarket ignition systems are of the capacitive discharge type. They store voltage, or accumulate it, until a point at which a trigger signal allows release of this more powerful spark. Companies like Mallory, MSD, Crane and Accel, to name a few, offer such systems.

They affect spark plugs in that they allow the gaps to be opened up to take advantage of the increased capacity. The theory is that the larger and the more intense the spark you are able to present to the air/fuel mixture, the more likely you will be to burn more fuel, and hence the more power you will make.

Older vehicles or those that have been modified with higher compression or boosted (nitrous, turbo, supercharged) engines can certainly take advantage of a more powerful ignition system.

1988starter
07-31-2002, 01:09 PM
Nice but a little short.

GreenMachine
07-31-2002, 05:23 PM
when's the next class ? :lol

HondaManDan
08-08-2002, 08:08 PM
alrighty... stock LX.... carbed.. what's a good starter coil to get? does it do anything differnt than stock? pros? cons?... also is there anything else ignition wise that i should look into? thanks!

HondaManDan
08-08-2002, 08:11 PM
what's an accel coil?? can this help with low end torque? like 0 to 3000rpm's... (sluggish auto) ummm yeah... how much are they? and how can it benefit me?
thanks!

1988starter
08-08-2002, 09:16 PM
They produce a greater spark and cost about 30 bucks many people have one I do but also have an MSD 6AL to go with it there is an how to in the how to section if you want to look at it.

it is the crome thing in the upper left corner and yes I know my engine bay is dirty it is an old pict.

You can get them at any autoparts store pepbys auto zone ect. Or off ebay oh yea you could also advance your timing a bit.

www.geocities.com/midias2/1988/2002/engine.txt

1988starter
08-08-2002, 09:22 PM
Accel super coil there is a how to on how to put it in take a look I like mine. Also if you get one upen your spark gap a bit more like around .054 .056

1988starter
08-08-2002, 09:27 PM
Accel how to

http://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=114

you can also pick up an MSD ignition but I wouldn't unless you finish other mods first.

1988starter
08-08-2002, 09:27 PM
Accel how to

http://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=114

shepherd79
08-09-2002, 03:58 AM
you can get them at advance autoparts, they are $29.99
you will have to regap the spark plug. start with .05 and move up. i wouln't recoment go past .06 somewhere between is good. i have .055 right now and it pulls wevry good, plus i have 5 speed.
also you can get MSD blaster 2 coil. it will work the same way. and it cost about the same.

shepherd79
08-09-2002, 04:04 AM
plusses: you will see that your car will pull a lot better may be a little gas millege increase. smother acceleration.
Minuses: well i don't have any.

smufguy
08-09-2002, 04:29 AM
heheh, how about MSD are those good? i know most of the american cars use them, how about our import rocket?:flash:

1988starter
08-09-2002, 05:57 AM
I use .056 but I have an MSD 6AL when I get my irridium plugs I am not too sure what I will set it to

1988starter
08-09-2002, 05:59 AM
I love My MSD 6AL it mad a good difference but you will need to pickup either an accel or blaster coil to make it work so just start with the coil. As for the actual coil I lilke Accel better just do.

89bumblethumper
08-09-2002, 07:38 PM
what is the MSD 6AL??? does this add power to the car???

1988starter
08-09-2002, 07:43 PM
It is an ignition controll box that allows a large amout of spark to the plugs at all rpm ranges and it helped me a bit.

Mantis88LX
08-10-2002, 08:02 AM
i only have mine gaped to .040 right now, should i increase it? and to what? all i have is a accel coil and split fire plugs, i want to feel more pull in low end. thanxs

1988starter
08-10-2002, 08:07 AM
Yea increase it to about .054

Mantis88LX
08-10-2002, 08:25 AM
i wont have any problems right? i heard that if u gap it too much u will get misfire at high rpms

1988starter
08-10-2002, 08:54 AM
Well rev it high and if you missfire gap it a bit lower but I have heard of people going at .056 so I said .054 to be safe.

Mantis88LX
08-10-2002, 08:30 PM
k they r gaped,

1988starter
08-10-2002, 09:58 PM
Well what do you think.

HondaManDan
08-11-2002, 01:01 AM
so when i go to the parts store to get my new coil... what am i asking for? is it specifically for an 88 accord or is it a Universal model??? also.. i'll gap the spark plugs around .05 ~.055.. sound good?? also.. should i get different plugs? i just put in new NGK spark plugs... so are they cool? thanks!

Mantis88LX
08-11-2002, 06:09 AM
i think im gonna regape them to about .045 or back .040, my car felt like it rev higher wih out trying hard with that gap.

what is the stock gap for a 1988 honda accord lx ?

1988starter
08-11-2002, 11:58 AM
.044

Mantis88LX
08-11-2002, 12:35 PM
is it ok to gap it lower than stock?

HondaManDan
08-11-2002, 12:53 PM
or.. yanno... NO ONE CAN ANSWER ME!!!! :wtf:

HondaManDan
08-11-2002, 01:08 PM
now when i go to buy my new Accel coil.... what am i asking for??? should i ask for one for an 88 accord or is a universal thing? like ever car can use it? yeah... ALSO.. im planning on gapping my plugs around .05~.055.. is this cool??? just a week ago i put in new stock NGK plugs.. so it this alright to use? thanks

87pimpsterdocious
08-11-2002, 01:20 PM
They're universal, but you don't want the one with the internal ballast. Your spark gap looks good and good plugs so go for it. :)

1988starter
08-11-2002, 05:15 PM
I guess you could many people do who have forced induction but I do not see how it would help a regular car.

Guyver007
08-11-2002, 05:23 PM
THe less the gap is the better or the more the gap is the better cause i put an accl coil and i didnt gap the sparkplugs at all i just bought them and put them on .. and what should i gap them too if i want more power "low end torque for an automatic..

shepherd79
08-11-2002, 05:25 PM
yeah, the coil is universal yellow or crome color. i think it is 1240 model or something like that.
and spark plugs should be just fine.

1988starter
08-11-2002, 05:26 PM
The part number is 8140 for yellow or 8140c for crome

1988starter
08-11-2002, 05:27 PM
From what I understand less for forced more for normal and you should alaways check your plugs gap before install.

1988starter
08-12-2002, 02:07 PM
keep the NGK and the .050-.054 is fine

1988starter
08-12-2002, 02:07 PM
The part number is 8140 for yellow or 8140c for crome

HondaManDan
08-12-2002, 06:42 PM
well... i installed my Accel coil... im running Blue Thunder wires... NGK .o57 gapped plugs.. im noticing no differance in ANYTHING with the car's performance.. i heard i was supposed to get a little bit better pull... at least some more low end torque... (marginal amounts of course) but the only differance i see is it idles around 500rpm instead of 700rpm... so am i missing something??? thanks!:wtf:

smufguy
08-12-2002, 06:47 PM
advance ur timing 3 to 5 degrees.

A20A1
08-12-2002, 06:50 PM
if it runs good then you did it right... the plug gaps may be too high or still too low tuning the gaps take time... high gaps don't even need to be used on our engines even with a performance coil... with a modified engine then high gaps will make a difference. for us the coil will just equal consistant spark and or better gas milage. I think most of the performance gains came from the changing of the plugs and regaping them... it sort of cleaned off the old deposits and made the car run smoother.... a 500 idle is nice.

1988starter
08-12-2002, 06:52 PM
Did you put the yellow wire on the positive side and the blue on the neg side also try shortning your gap.

HondaManDan
08-12-2002, 06:53 PM
how do i advance timing? and if i do how do i NOT fuck it up?

1988starter
08-12-2002, 06:54 PM
I wrote about it somewhere one sec

A20A1
08-12-2002, 06:56 PM
you really should get a timing light to advance timing

1988starter
08-12-2002, 06:56 PM
here look at the first page about half way down

http://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4325

1988starter
08-12-2002, 06:57 PM
I drew an 3/16 inch mark and adwancdt the bottom of one mark to the top of the other if I needed to go back I would just reset it to the mark well I made two to be sure.

A20A1
08-12-2002, 07:00 PM
make sure the car has warmed up first since the cold car and carb will give you a temporary rich mixture which will resist ignition.

1988starter
08-12-2002, 07:02 PM
Thanks A20A1 I think I missed that in my writeup I knew I might miss a thing or two that Is why I asked people to tell me If I did.

HondaManDan
08-12-2002, 07:11 PM
well i ran blue to negative... and black and yellow to positive... umm as far as advancing the timing i dont think i'll take it that far... but i do think i'll back down the gapping a little... i'll probably take it down to .05 dont wanna go to big.. :)... also... i noticed that my engine tone got lower... probably considering that it's idling at around 500.. however.. even when i rev it it sounds more powerful.. and when im accelarating (tearing down main st.) i notice a whole nother engine sound.. i mean it sounds so much better than it used to... HENCE why i think it's about time to get me a muffler (heh heh) ... im thinking about one from speedpeople.com it was on sale this weekend for 89.99 with scilencer... sound cool? it's a tube, basically, says it has a good low tone which is what im looking for... i think im goin for it :).. thanks for the help gents... ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS PLEASE TELL ME.... i'll post a thread... later

1988starter
08-12-2002, 07:13 PM
Well make sure you have all 4 wires hooked up.. My friend's Tempo made a totally different sound when we put his on. And defantly try lowering your gap a little.

HondaManDan
08-12-2002, 07:25 PM
Is that cool that the sound changed or is it somethin to worry about?

1988starter
08-12-2002, 07:27 PM
it is cool

HondaManDan
08-12-2002, 07:42 PM
nice
so no worries.. that's a good thing.. would anyone strongly recomend regapping to around .05 off of .057?

1988starter
08-12-2002, 07:44 PM
I am running .056 but I also have the MSD 6AL I would defantly day go to about .05-.054

HondaManDan
08-12-2002, 07:47 PM
cool... now what's the MSD 6AL??? i've been hearing much on this.. worth getting?

1988starter
08-12-2002, 07:53 PM
It is an ignition controll box allows for a much greater spark at low rpms I felt a nice boost after I intalled mine if you want I will take some picts tomorrow of my setup.

Here take a look at their web site

http://www.msdignition.com/1ignstre.htm

HondaManDan
08-12-2002, 07:55 PM
YEAH! i'd love to see what youre running for an ignition setup.. do you have a site or anything?? i'd like to see your car. you shound like you know your shit... i dunno lol, sometimes i feel like the youngest guy here.. kinda in over my head..

1988starter
08-12-2002, 07:59 PM
I know the feeling when I was first here I didn't even know what a header was these guys helped me a lot and they are very knowlageable. For now here are some old picts. Yes I know that they are all .TXT but to get a picture from geocities to appear on this bord they have to be .TXT.. I will get some updates tomorrow.

www.geocities.com/midias2/1988/2002

HondaManDan
08-12-2002, 08:03 PM
nice car... what kind of muffler do you have? what kinda sound you get outa that thing?

1988starter
08-12-2002, 08:05 PM
It is a dynomax superturbo muffler I love it. It has a brospeed 3 inch tip on it which is the max size I will go. As for sound pioneer speakers all around and a 160 watt system but I am not the kind who bumps I like a more classical music.

1988starter
08-12-2002, 08:06 PM
The muffler sound is a bit loud not too bad but I have header highflow cat and 2.25 piping no resonaton.

HondaManDan
08-12-2002, 08:17 PM
sweetness... yeah i dont like the bump thump music either.... im more of a punk rock, heavy rock, anger music kind of person

HondaManDan
08-12-2002, 08:18 PM
but you did notice a big differance with the MSD>?

1988starter
08-13-2002, 09:27 AM
Yea I noticed a nice difference sorry I just woke up 1:30 PM but most of all everything was smoother I am not waiting for my NGK irridium IX plugs to come in the mail.

1988starter
08-13-2002, 05:59 PM
Well I got you some picts
http://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4634

A20A1
08-13-2002, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by HondaManDan
Is that cool that the sound changed or is it somethin to worry about?

the exhaust note usually changes based on the air fuel mixture and rev speed... a richer mixture at low speeds gives a deeper note.

HondaManDan
08-13-2002, 09:26 PM
ok.. so.. how much does this MSD run for? i mean is it about a hundred bucks? or 50? cuz 50's nicer than 100 when ya look at it :). but what kind of differences in performance are we looking at here. i mean i know all the basic stuff with a car. i mean air and fuel mix together in the combustion chamber and durring the compression rotation of the piston a spark will ignite the fuel and air causing the piston to retract thus making "power" yadda yadda yadda... now i can understand that a guaronteed spark will be a good thing to have so you dont waste any of the air/fuel.. hence the Accel coil, the Blue Thunder wires, and the NGK plugs. now... the gap on the plugs.. the bigger the gap.. the bigger the spark right? so having a .052 gap is going to give me a marginaly bigger spark than a .o44 gap. now.. this will possibly help to ignite that fuel and air more completely correct? so how could this MDS thing help? because im already getting a bigger.. gauronteed spark... and im noticing nothing/not much at all differance in performance. now that i think of it... maybe this means my car was just a damn good car stock :). i mean it's a granny car with 95k.. it's practically new. oh well.. im always up for improvements.

1988starter
08-13-2002, 09:30 PM
Mine was 150 used I felt a nice difference. Let me tell you a story. One day when looking at my spark only accel coil I noticed it was a little blue line. A different day whe looking at is after MSD it was a big orange lightning bolt (quote from friend "damn it is like a flame thrower.") I like it I have .057 gapped plugs and they work well.

HondaManDan
08-13-2002, 09:36 PM
ok where do ya buy one? and what model is the best?

1988starter
08-13-2002, 09:37 PM
I got one off ebay but don't forget to wach the bidding at the end because they can climb quick.. Either an MSD 6a OR 6al I think would be good LOVE my 6AL

Mike's89AccordLX
08-22-2002, 01:50 PM
I want to buy a good ignition coil but I don't know much about which ones to look for and which one are good. I asked this parts store what they thought. And they told me to get a stock one. I told them I want one better than that. Then I told him to stop being lazy and look in his book for a coil for me... he hung up his phone. Bastards that don't give any respect to people with 3Geez :rice:

Mike's89AccordLX
08-22-2002, 02:08 PM
I heard Accel is a good brand, but I would want one thats maybe chrome or red or something.

Mantis88LX
08-22-2002, 02:25 PM
you can get a crome accel coil for like $39

i got one, there nice :wave:

check your local auto store they should have them

Mike's89AccordLX
08-22-2002, 02:36 PM
Are all accel coils the same or do I have to get a specific one for my car?

1988starter
08-22-2002, 02:41 PM
Look in the how too section part numbers are in their

chronicsinners
08-26-2002, 07:06 AM
as the topic states, where can i get an accel coil online for relativly cheap, i want the chrome one...

1988starter
08-26-2002, 07:38 AM
www.ebay.com

chronicsinners
08-26-2002, 07:59 AM
id like to buy it without the ebay hastle, but thanx for the suggeston

88LXi/87CRXSi
08-26-2002, 08:02 AM
Yeah ebay, here's one:NEW CHROME Accel Ignition Coil (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1853964473)

-Steve

88LXi/87CRXSi
08-26-2002, 08:03 AM
Ooopps, nevermind!

-Steve

87pimpsterdocious
08-26-2002, 11:36 AM
whyy nevermind? it looks like it's the right one to me.

88LXi/87CRXSi
08-26-2002, 12:10 PM
yeah it is the right one, but he posted:

Originally posted by chronicsinners
id like to buy it without the ebay hastle, but thanx for the suggeston
while I was getting the link for the post
I guess Summit, Advanced, or Auto Zone would have them online tho. maybe Jcwhitney too? ;)

-Steve

GDGuy11B
08-26-2002, 02:24 PM
do you have an autozone or discount auto parts or some store like that in your town? you wouldn't have the hassle of waiting for it to ship if you just get it from the store.

riceBURNerLX-i
08-26-2002, 06:27 PM
I just ordered a chrome accel coil from summit.com.

ChronoDX87
08-29-2002, 07:02 PM
man just buy it at ur local autoparts dealer.... haha... why pay shippin and stuff... $29.99 and thats it.. no wait...
D.J

A20A1
09-04-2002, 06:53 PM
K You know how our car has 4 wire going to the coil... well which ones do we need? I don't use the stock tach or guage cluster... I really wanted to ditch some wires... I'm afraid the coil connects to the ignition switch though and that means more work for me.

smufguy
09-04-2002, 07:03 PM
u talking about stock coil or after market? if its stock, there is just 3 if i am right. one is from ur distributor, another is ur ignitor and the other i am not sure

TeKKnoTeKK
09-04-2002, 10:47 PM
yes the coil does go to your ignition switch, its the wire on the right I believe

A20A1
09-19-2002, 05:49 PM
I was always afraid to use it... it said I needed a ballast resistor... or the oil would explode. :burn:

dXsquared
09-19-2002, 06:05 PM
i got one of those too. can we use them?
Travis

djsbon
09-19-2002, 06:16 PM
hey that looks like an accel super coil!

Sean
09-19-2002, 07:57 PM
yes you can use it without a ballast resistor. in a points type ignition the ballast resistor is needed to clamp the output of the points as well as reducing the load on teh points. in a electronic ignition system the transisitor has built in feedback that clamps the load.

netfreak
09-19-2002, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by djsbon
hey that looks like an accel super coil!

How did you draw that conclusion?? :p

Chubs87Accord
09-19-2002, 09:28 PM
i feel left out.... i want one too, lol

sickboy
09-20-2002, 05:46 AM
what does it do?

smufguy
09-20-2002, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by djsbon
hey that looks like an accel super coil!

ur such a geneous :bow:

dXsquared
09-20-2002, 08:56 PM
so where can i mount it? and what wires go where?
Travis

A20A1
09-20-2002, 09:47 PM
its the same as the accel coil install in the how to section.
Only the size of the coil has changed. You may need to buy a custom wire set.. the hole for the main wire the goes to the cap is pretty deep. the stock wire boot may interfere with installing the wire properly.

dXsquared
09-21-2002, 05:57 AM
i also have an accel 8.8 mm wire kit for a Trans Am that i may fit onto the 3 gee. i got a distributer cap that has the right wire also so i may cut the wire and put a new boot on it. or i may just buy one of the little coils!
Travis

Phil
09-21-2002, 07:22 AM
u have a nice hand there, ur mother should be proud...

ah well off to take pictures of the damage from my car accident last night :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

2Fast_Fiero
09-21-2002, 04:32 PM
Whats that above the coil??? Is that like a trophie you made or somethin?? LOL I WANT ONE <Runs to go strip his Interior> I wonder if I can make it a clock LMAO

A20A1
09-21-2002, 04:54 PM
UNIVERSAL SUPER COIL: 50,000 volts
HEI SUPER COIL: 40,000 volts

shepherd79
09-21-2002, 06:48 PM
Mike are you gonna putt this coil on your car or not?
after you fix your car.

sanjay
09-22-2002, 10:45 PM
super coil?

Accy
09-25-2002, 06:08 AM
I just have a simple question about changing a coil. Now I understand that by changing the coil to a larger voltage (I think) you therefore increase power due to the fact that there is more of a spark. If N E 1 can explain to me how a 'larger' coil works and possibly where to get one that would be stupendous. I know there have been posts on this but I couldnt find them. So if expaining isnt your thing send me a link plz. Thanks a bunch

1988starter
09-25-2002, 10:38 AM
http://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=114

1989se-i
09-25-2002, 10:52 AM
Im gettin an accel coil, from "the market place". I Dont have it yet, but when I do, what should i expect performance wise? Will it help at all?

Should I regap my spark plugs or use a diferent grade of gas? (im usng 93 octane now) Maybe large wires?

:flash:

Mike's89AccordLX
09-25-2002, 10:57 AM
Well it's great that you use the high octane gas. I use 90 myself and it's good. I was wondering what the coil actually does. I don't want to buy it yet until I know or have an idea of what it's going to do. What kind of plug wires do you have now. If you have stock wires, get better ones. Get ones that have less resistance. My Toucan ones are very good. Get some good plugs too, I don't know anything about the gaps.

smufguy
09-25-2002, 11:32 AM
dude starter, the pics wont work buddy. probably they are link to some website and its probably not valid now.

Accy, lemme tell u this. A larger spark and smaller spark is not gonna make ur car go faster. NO distinguishable change would u experience when u put an aftermarket coil in ur car, when the stock one is working free. Besides, a spark is a spark, a tiny one will ignite the gases in the same form as the bigger one. The question is, how long is that spark? If thats what u mean, Then ur right. One of the reasons ppl go for an accel coil or msd blaster is because they want the duration of the spark to be longer. I dont really like to spend money into buying an after market coil because my stock one is working fine. but if that fucks up, then i might. Be sure where u put ur money in. Thats my 2cents.

1989se-i
09-25-2002, 12:20 PM
i just replaced my stock ones with Bosch 7mm wires.
I Have autolite plugs, bout 6 months old. Look fine...

1989se-i
09-25-2002, 12:23 PM
Im putting one if just for the hell of it. Sounds more impressive if you have an Accel Coil, It looks cooler, and makes the car less stock.

Mantis88LX
09-25-2002, 12:43 PM
Mike's89acccordlx, were did u get your plug wires? an how much?

Accy
09-25-2002, 12:53 PM
Hey smuf.

but I heard that a larger spark ignites more of the gas in the cylinder therefore makin it a bit smoother, but not too noticeable power increase. As far as the spark length how much of a difference does it make? and is it worth it? I need all the power I can get :D

Thanks again

1988starter
09-25-2002, 03:23 PM
I have crane cam fire wires 25 ohms of resistance per foot that is half of what MSD ones are I think I got the universal set for 36 bucks.

1988starter
09-25-2002, 03:27 PM
You know I figured they would work because I got them off the faq secton of this site damn you guys :burn: Well sorry .

1989se-i
09-25-2002, 03:27 PM
So... Im guessing the accel coil will cut down on misfires? Thereby increasing the power just a tad, but not enough to really notice a difference? Maybe make it a lil smoother..?

1988starter
09-25-2002, 04:53 PM
I noticed a small difference and a better take off alone witha smoother ride.

A20A1
09-25-2002, 05:23 PM
take your compression ratio
9.1:1
9.3:1

and move the decimal point to the right to find out what octane to use
92 octane
93 octane

Mike's89AccordLX
09-25-2002, 05:32 PM
88starter, dude I dont think those wires are any good if they have 25ohms resistence. Mine are like .98 ohms resistence. I got them off of Toucan Industries. http://www.toucanindustries.com/index.php thats the link, I paid $72 for my plug wires. I think there either 8mm or 9mm. They're yellow and red color scheme. They are really good quality.

Mike's89AccordLX
09-25-2002, 05:35 PM
I had one of my local import shops order the wires for my car. I couldn't find them on the site.

A20A1
09-25-2002, 05:42 PM
You can use wires from other hondas just make sure the length is the same... and if it's from a DOHC engine then the boots will be sticking out but thats ok cause you need header clearence anyways.

1988starter
09-25-2002, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by Mike's89AccordLX
88starter, dude I dont think those wires are any good if they have 25ohms resistence. Mine are like .98 ohms resistence. I got them off of Toucan Industries. http://www.toucanindustries.com/index.php thats the link, I paid $72 for my plug wires. I think there either 8mm or 9mm. They're yellow and red color scheme. They are really good quality.


Sorry man you read wrong it is .98 KILO ohms sorry to burst your bubble .98 ohms is nearly impossiable for that kind of wire. Look around even MSD wires are 40-50 ohms. Also their catalog from the web site you gave me says .02 Kohms so the are really about 20 ohms +- 2 ohms for sig figs and at double the price not worth it don;t be fooled by notation.

A20A1
09-30-2002, 07:48 PM
...and I thought this was in accord pics... well ok now it is revived... k POS CARB take a gander! :D

1989se-i
10-01-2002, 10:31 AM
Last night, late, late, last night..... I installed a chrome Accel coil in my 3G. It werks, although i really didnt notice much, if any difference, and i know that I wont.

What else do i need to do to my ignition? regap the plugs? thicker wires?

Will the accel ignite lean mixtures better?

Anyway it looks cool :D I like it

ACCORD EX
10-01-2002, 12:56 PM
thicker and thinner wires don't make difference ! stick with NGK's !

MIKE

1988starter
10-01-2002, 04:08 PM
Glad to hear everything worked out nice. Also ACCORD EX is right the thickness of the wire makes no difference it is the core that matters. Also if you want to regap your plugs a sugested amount is .050.

Site
10-01-2002, 05:12 PM
Could you explain more about the "it' s the core that matters" comment and give an example of a good set of wires? Thanks!

1988starter
10-01-2002, 06:25 PM
Well each core has a different resistance rating measured in ohms of resistance. NGK are 8 K ohms of resistance Crane Cam fire wires are 25 ohms, MSD are between 40-50 ohms toucan are about 20-25 ohms magnicore are about 10 ohms <-- If Iremember correctly. Any way if iy gets abouve 20K ohms it is time to change your wires. Also don't be fooled by notation if it says .050 K ohms it is really 50 ohms. Any way each set has a different core to allow these ratings along with a different price. The lower the ohm rating the more freely the current will flow through. As for the best one I think many people would agree magnecore are the best. As for price this is what I have found. NGK about $30, MSD about $70 Magnecore $75 Toucan $75 crane cam universal 4 cyl set $36. I got all these numbers off the web sites but my memory might have faded on a couple so feel free to look them up. Hope this helps.

http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/products/cars_trucks_suvs/wiresets.asp

http://www.cranecams.com/ignition/firewire.htm

http://www.msdignition.com/1wires.htm



you can get a lot of these wires at and other stuff at http://www.martelbros.com/cgi-bin/store/ws400CS.cgi

and at www.summitracing.com

Site
10-01-2002, 10:51 PM
Thanks, starter! That's very helpful!

1988starter
10-02-2002, 06:18 PM
No problem Hey I should write a FAQ on wires because I looked through so much tuff when I bought mine. well naw no one seems to look at those any way.

Site
10-03-2002, 05:05 AM
Please write it! I always read through the FAQs and How-To's when I'm doing a project!

89cordlx
10-03-2002, 12:50 PM
while I was at Autozone today I saw 2 accel coils and I wonder if they'll work for my car. the part number on the box was 8140. it was yellow, if anyone knows anything about this please lemme know.

jteuton
10-03-2002, 01:45 PM
8140 will work......go ahead and get chrome one.....it looks very pretty

1989se-i
10-03-2002, 05:20 PM
They look cool but i havent noticed much of a difference performance wise

89cordlx
10-03-2002, 05:29 PM
I want it because my car runs a little rugh sometimes and I am replacing alot of the igniation stuff. Does AutoZone sell any MSD ignitions?

CARBurn
10-03-2002, 07:47 PM
You won't notice a performance gains until you add on other modifications. The aftermarket ignition system only gives more spark for a more complete combustion.

Autozone nor Pep Boys sell MSD ignitions, as far as I know. You may want to try a local speed shop to see if they carry it, most do.

ACCORD EX
10-04-2002, 02:27 AM
check this how to on the accel coil !
every thing is there ! :)
http://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=114

MIKE

1989se-i
10-04-2002, 04:16 AM
my autozone has msd ignitions.... i'd call and ask, it never hurts

89lxi95zx7
10-04-2002, 06:19 AM
what do you gap your plugs to w/ accel coil?

1989se-i
10-04-2002, 10:25 AM
50(?)

89lxi95zx7
10-04-2002, 10:39 AM
thanks brotha!

Site
10-20-2002, 08:50 AM
There's a sale on 8.5mm Magnecor wires at www.groupbuycenter.com right now. $50 for us no including shipping. They list them for our cars in both Carbed and FI. Starter, you seem to have good wire knowledge - do you (or anyone else) have an opinion on Magnecor?

1988starter
10-20-2002, 02:30 PM
Magecor are one of the best out there around 10 ohms of resistance very good. I would suggest getting them if you are planning on getting an MSD ignition any time.

WhiteSpecV
10-21-2002, 10:29 AM
Magnecor is a very good wire. I'm considering getting a set for the Accord, once I finish up correcting the suspension and brakes.
I had a set on my 240SX, with a MSD 6AL ignition. Very high quality. No b.s. claims, jsut gets the juice to the plug cleanly and efficiently. :super:


-Joe-

Site
10-21-2002, 10:43 AM
Sweet! Thanks for the feedback. When I saw them on groupbuy.com for $50 and $10 shipping, I knew that was a great price. I'm ordering today.

markmdz89hatch
10-23-2002, 06:39 AM
I own actaully two DX's, and have seen a sh*t load of posts about the Accel coil helping out a bit. How do you actually benefit from the coil? ...and will it work with both carb and EFI cars?

Help and idiot out...!!1.!?>??1?!!1?!????

Mike's89AccordLX
10-23-2002, 06:41 AM
The spark it creates is bigger than the stock coils spark.

markmdz89hatch
10-23-2002, 06:54 AM
...so can I use it on my carbed engine?

anchovies
10-23-2002, 11:05 AM
You can use it on any car with an external coil. It'll help if your old coil doesn't work that well. It creates stronger spark, but a spark is a spark is a spark.

Site
10-23-2002, 12:02 PM
"but a spark is a spark is a spark"

I have a different view. Puttin an Accel coil in gives a stronger spark. Stronger spark = hotter spark. Also, because the Accel coil is more powerful than stock coil, you can increase the gap of your plugs. That makes a bigger spark. Bigger spark = hotter spark.

The hotter spark burns fuel more completely, increasing HP.

anchovies
10-23-2002, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by Site
"but a spark is a spark is a spark"

I have a different view. Puttin an Accel coil in gives a stronger spark. Stronger spark = hotter spark. Also, because the Accel coil is more powerful than stock coil, you can increase the gap of your plugs. That makes a bigger spark. Bigger spark = hotter spark.

The hotter spark burns fuel more completely, increasing HP.

there's whr the wires and spark plugs come into play :D
Of course you'll get a more complete burn, but if you bring the story further then I can say that you won't feel anything if you don't do anything with the fuel also eh..

smufguy
10-23-2002, 08:37 PM
and u dont notice much difference bwt ur stock and aftermarket unless ur stock was dying like anchovies pointed out.

1988starter
10-24-2002, 08:17 AM
For me things smoothed out consideriably.

rocky2
10-24-2002, 05:03 PM
I would reccomend headers as the most cost effective HP increase, and should be #1 modifacation before coil.

Immeraufdemhund
10-25-2002, 05:25 AM
hmm.. headers are over 100 and coils are in the 30's. for some of us headers would take a litle while to save up for. Plus not everyone knows how to put on headers, so theyd have to bring it to a mechanic, there goes more money. The accel coil is easy, take off the old one splice some wires and put it back on. No prob at all. Yah headers are nicer over all, but for a quick mod that will help a little bit and cheap, most will chose the cheap first.

anchovies
10-25-2002, 08:45 PM
rocky2 is talking about "cost effective HP increase"

87accordlxph
10-26-2002, 03:10 PM
What about having the proper kind of wires?

I have an accel coil, NGK wires and Boshe plats plugs.

Would the coil eventually destroy my wires cause they cannot provide the resistance to the more power coil? How long would these wires last before I would need to replace them or should I just get the Magnecor ones or just go back to the stock coil.

Need more info on the whole ignition upgrade theory please.

Thanks,

-Mike

jlaccord89lxi
10-26-2002, 06:02 PM
Amen!...that's my one thing to learn today!:flash:

Site
10-26-2002, 07:04 PM
Yeah! That's what I was saying in this post:
http://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=77200#post77200

I'm glad to see someone back it up.

anchovies
10-26-2002, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by OldSchoolSwap

Older vehicles or those that have been modified with higher compression or boosted (nitrous, turbo, supercharged) engines can certainly take advantage of a more powerful ignition system.

This statement is very important :D

guaynabo89
10-27-2002, 03:10 AM
Hey oldschool.

Whats up with that 25 cent banner thing. Is their suppose to be a picture there?

Mike's89AccordLX
10-27-2002, 03:19 AM
The Accel coil won't hurt my plug wire will it?

OldSchoolSwap
10-27-2002, 04:42 PM
Originally posted by 87accordlxph
What about having the proper kind of wires?

I have an accel coil, NGK wires and Boshe plats plugs.

Would the coil eventually destroy my wires cause they cannot provide the resistance to the more power coil? How long would these wires last before I would need to replace them or should I just get the Magnecor ones or just go back to the stock coil.

Need more info on the whole ignition upgrade theory please.

Thanks,

-Mike
I have never seen wires fry due to Coil upgrades. Infact, upgrading the coil is a good upgrade that will not only burn fuel more efficiently but it will create power (hp) and torque. The amount of "power" increase is not significant but it will increase the overall percentage.

My recomendation is to purchase a set of 8.5 wires (my personal preference is Magnecor) to further transport the spark to its full capacity. Having stock wires or cheap wires will not help to transport high performance spark, hence reducing power potentials.
Its like having a 10 sec car run on spare tires on the track, feel me? On all wheels that is :D

Anyhow, any more questions?

OldSchoolSwap
10-27-2002, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by guaynabo89
Hey oldschool.

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OldSchoolSwap
10-27-2002, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by Mike's89AccordLX
The Accel coil won't hurt my plug wire will it? Nope!

OldSchoolSwap
10-27-2002, 04:49 PM
Well, here's a thread i started a while back ago and came up again.... http://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4032

OldSchoolSwap
10-27-2002, 04:51 PM
Ahhhhh! The beauty of Magnecor :)


http://www.magnecor.com/magnecor1/images/SPARKPIC2.jpg

87accordlxph
10-28-2002, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by OldSchoolSwap

I have never seen wires fry due to Coil upgrades. Infact, upgrading the coil is a good upgrade that will not only burn fuel more efficiently but it will create power (hp) and torque. The amount of "power" increase is not significant but it will increase the overall percentage.

My recomendation is to purchase a set of 8.5 wires (my personal preference is Magnecor) to further transport the spark to its full capacity. Having stock wires or cheap wires will not help to transport high performance spark, hence reducing power potentials.
Its like having a 10 sec car run on spare tires on the track, feel me? On all wheels that is :D

Anyhow, any more questions?

Thanks man!

-Mike

OldSchoolSwap
10-29-2002, 06:33 AM
Originally posted by 87accordlxph


Thanks man!

-Mike Ju got et meng! :D

Greg
11-13-2002, 01:25 PM
Hey everyone,

I just did some tests on my girlfriend's ignition coil from her 86 LXI. The book on Paul's site says the resistance values should be as follows:

A to D (primary winding resistance) 1,215 - 1,485

B to D (some resistor in the thing) 2,200

A to secondary -- 11,074 - 11,526

Continuity between A & C

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My values @ 72 degrees:

A to D -- 190 ohms (too low by 1,000 ohms!!!)

B to D -- 2,200 ohms (right on)

A to secondary -- 11,470 (within specified range)

A to C -- 50 ohms resistance...


So is my coil bad because the value on the primary is too low? I'm getting an occasional stutter/miss that I'm trying to diagnose. This could be caused by the improper primary winding resistance, right?

Also, is 50 ohms too much since there is supposed to be continuity between A & C (I'm guessing that it's OK)

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So I think I need a new coil. I've been thinking about getting an Accell if they're not too expensive. What's a good place to get one and how much $$$. Can I get them at local places like NAPA, pep boys, autozone or Murray's or do I have to get them online?

Does anyone know the correct part # for the coil for this car?

What is your advice?

A20A1
11-13-2002, 01:49 PM
well the stock coils have 4 posts, and the accel has 2 posts...

You would have to use the measures of a 84-85 accord perhaps?
from + to - resistance: 1.06 - 1.24 ohms
from Secondary to + resistance: 7,400 - 11,000 ohms.
but yeah thats for an older accord, I have no Idea about the Accel.

A20A1
11-13-2002, 01:51 PM
oops I didn't read the bottom part... I thought that was your sig.

the accel coil is $30 - $40.

I can send you my Accel coil... I have an MSD blaster 2 now... the coil is used though.

A20A1
11-13-2002, 01:55 PM
hmm, the coil is sealed... if i ship it by air it may explode... anyone have info on such things?

Greg
11-13-2002, 02:23 PM
Hey Mike,

As I think you figured out, those readings were from my stock coil. Rather than buy one from Honda or get a worn-down one from a boneyard, I thought about getting the accell.

Do think your accell is in decent shape still? Did you run it for like 150,000 miles @ 5,000RPM all the time or was it on there for just a little while? I've read your carb mod posts as I've been fixing my carb, and I know you drive hard at times. :pimp:

Used is cool with me as long as you think the thing is still working fine. My girlfriend doesn't drive hard AT ALL. I don't need a hot rod coil. I just need something that will give enough spark to run the car efficiently.

I'd appreciate it a lot if you could give me a deal on your used coil if it's still OK. Email me @ [email protected] if you think it's still working fine and if you think it won't explode on its way from Hawaii to Chicago. Let me know how much you want to cover S&H and your trouble. Regular UPS would be cool w/me.

(sorry for putting in those lines & confusing everyone into thinking it was my sig)

:rice:

A20A1
11-13-2002, 02:34 PM
nah it was 2,000 - 7,000 miles @ 7,500 rpm :D

I need to head to the post office anyways... I guess I cold wrap it and see how much shipping would be.