Zc swap

[johnypimpin2005]

i want to put the zc dohc turbo in my car and have a free zc and d series mounts. do u think that i will be able to swap in if i relocate my mounts.

[night]

.... if you get the motor, tranny, harness, computer, axles, ... basically everything but the turbo setup for *free*, ok. otherwise that is the dumbest swap concievable.

[johnypimpin2005]

will it work

[buds302]

dude my bro is in the middle of doin the zc swap in his 4g civic hatch. ill tell you now it aint no walk in the park. its a direct swap(bolt in) on the 4g civic. but on an accord its more than just relocating mounts. its adding another mount on top of the trans, different length linkage(on a 5-speed), getting the axles to fit, different radiaitor, removing the crossmember under the trans, exhaust? hah youll be lucky to get that to fit,the only thing about the wiring that might fit is the mpfi harness, new fuse box(smaller one), then you gotta deliver fuel to that bad boy,different fuel line and filter,you go right ahead and do it, and when its done i wanna see it and hear it.im not gonna fall for the pictures of it sittin in the car, we still dont know if the b20 head on an a20 is runnin, nobodys heard it!

[johnypimpin2005]

should i do the b18a1 swap instead

stock 90 integ. engine

[buds302]

dude what r u lookin for? high rpms, high cost, high hps, or dohc

[88accordhb]

do watever you want. everything besides the jbm b20 will take lots of time and money. yes the zc will work because there are b16 accords drivin round. but if you want power, wtf you gonan do with a stock zc motor.

[johnypimpin2005]

:rice: if i use the b18a1 non vtec and will it fit if i use the b seriours motor mount, axles, shift rod from placeracing.com

[buds302]

if you read the first post he wants to turbo it, but he wants lower displacement(zc is jdm equiv to u.s. b16)1.6l, if you have an accord you got 2.0l :dunno:

[buds302]

place racing went out of buisiness

[buds302]

and your still lookin at twice as much, maybe three times the cost of a b20

[johnypimpin2005]

if i swap the b18a1 into my car using the placeracing kit will the engine fit even knowing it is not a v tec head. i can sell the zc to my friend and get the b18a1 for a good price.

[night]

you need to do a lot more reading about the honda world in general

[buds302]

read this:http://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?t=37920
and the engine wont fit it sits to far back, meaning hackin up the firewall

[shepherd79]

if you are going to use placeracing mounts, axels, and linkages than yes, any b series motor will fit including ZC DOHC one.
the problem is that placeracing is out of business. you can't get the mounts or anything else for the sawps anymore. you have to search and see if someone will sell it when they part the car out, but the chances of someone selling it is very small.
Good luck.

[smufguy]

i dont wanna bash you fella. ZC is, as you know, similar to any B series. Talk to Markese, he is NJ and their shop does these swaps.

[carotman]

except that it's DOHC the ZC has nothing, and I mean nothing in common with the B series engines. It uses D series mounts, tranny, ECU etc.

The ZC is the label for D series in Japan....

[SteveDX89]

I think proper engine code for the ZC is D16A6. I'm not 100% sure on the last 2 letters/numbers but it's definitely a D series engine.

[AccordEpicenter]

a turbo A20 has about the same potential as a turbo ZC... there is no point in swapping anything less than an LS/Vtec or CR/Vtec and a turbo A20 is still faster than them N/A, I already outrun LS/Vtecs in 92-95 and 96-00 civics, which are much much lighter than my accord.

[SteveDX89]

a turbo A20 has about the same potential as a turbo ZC... there is no point in swapping anything less than an LS/Vtec or CR/Vtec and a turbo A20 is still faster than them N/A, I already outrun LS/Vtecs in 92-95 and 96-00 civics, which are much much lighter than my accord.

Come across a boosted LS/VTEC. Any boosted B for that matter. You'll get owned hardcore.

[NXRacer]

why are you guys even contemplating this swap??? That motor is weak compared to the accord. With all the time and money you'd spend on trying to put that weak POS in your accord you could swap in a B series or better yet go turbo.

ZC's are for civics not accords.

[AccordEpicenter]

Come across a boosted LS/VTEC. Any boosted B for that matter. You'll get owned hardcore.

Probably... But if you consider the cost of building a simple LS/Vtec it could run you $2-$3k then boost will run you at least another $2k... for a decent setup more like $3-$4k... so when you outrun the cars with the 3k LS/Vtec setup with less than that in your turbo accord (like mine) you have more performance for the money...For the 2k+ that youd put into boosting that engine to say, 9psi... i could run a built a series engine and a hella lot more boost (15-18psi or so) with better managemant, and thatd take down most boosted B and D series unless theyre running built engines etc...

[SteveDX89]

Once again it all comes down to money. It doesn't matter how much or how little you spent on your engine work when you're the 2nd one to cross the finish line.

[AccordEpicenter]

It doesn't matter how much or how little you spent on your engine work when you're the 2nd one to cross the finish line.

That generally hasnt been a problem for me lately and im on a stock block...

[SteveDX89]

You run at a track or on the street?

[AccordEpicenter]

both

[buds302]

I think proper engine code for the ZC is D16A6. I'm not 100% sure on the last 2 letters/numbers but it's definitely a D series engine.
the zc is the jdm equiv to the b16. a d16a6 is not dohc. and the zc has no other numbers or letters. its just zc. i have a complete zc motor and trans sittin in my garage ill post a pic if i can.look at www.civic4g.com if you want more info. apparently the zc is a 125% upgrade to the stock 4g civic. bty they come with one of the shittiest engines and trans that honda came up with. d15b6, dpfi, 4-speed . my bro has one and i can whip his ass in any race anytime. even in the snow! i think they make like 75 hp or something like that. hes fixin to do the zc swap as soon as his broke ass gets a job and buys gaskets for it. this dude is so broke he bounced a .65 cent check for a candy bar!

[AccordEpicenter]

uhh.. D16A is DOHC... ZC is not the b16 JDM equivalent, its the JDM CRX motor

[night]

for the love of god. the ZC is the 1gen teg motor, just rated higher outside the NA. ZC = dual cam = 1.6 = D series = no vtec anywhere near it = 4gen civ bolt in = get it out of your heads.
there is a single cam ZC, but most ppl are refering to the dual cam.

the 1gen B16 came in the jdm SiR civ/crx and XSi DA
the dual cam ZC was in the Si, which is the same as canada's badging. their Si is our EX

[steven]

dude i am buds302 brother (with the ZC)ok to clear all this up, the DOHC ZC is NOT the D16A1, Its the JDM version but better, the d16a6 is the SOHC ZC,
the 1st gen teg motor is a D16A1, not b-series.

the DOHC ZC is the D16a8/9 in europe.

go to www.thezcr.com (http://www.thezcr.com)

the DOHC ZC has 135hp STOCK
3g Accords have 124hp stock

although the D16a1 is a d-series it WILL NOT SWAP DIRECTLY INTO THE 4G CIVIC BUT THE DOHC ZC WILL, THE MOUNTS ARE DIFFERENT ON THE D16A1.

anything else you want to know ask me

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/869299/IMAG0029k.JPG

the d15b1 (stock civic with DPFI)
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/869299/beforeremovel2.jpg

damn dont post shit unless you now about it.SHIT

[buds302]

man i hate to say it but i think he set yall straight. i hate bein right

[night]

:ugh: i know the mounts are different, i just dont give a shit.

if you will step back out into the forum you will see mr johnnypimp here asked about the the teg D16 and the ZC as a swap within a day of each other.
in which you then need to refer to my 2nd post that he "needs to do a lot more reading about the honda world in general", as he doesnt have a clue whats going on.

this thread should have been dead before it was posted.

[night]

man i hate to say it but i think he set yall straight. i hate knowin bein right


ok Mr. "zc is the jdm equiv to the b16" :rolleyes:

[buds302]

right on! but hes tried every poss scenarioand we keep shootin him down. hes asked about other engines as well. i say if he wants dohc so bad he needs to hang up the 3g accord and step into a 5g civic. theres pretty much unlimited poss with that car as far as swaps and turbo goes.not to mention easy finding parts and cheap parts. you can get an entire cai for like $30

[buds302]

alright you got me i got my letters wrong so what mr. 1st gen teg motor, mabe in canada!

[Elijah]

who would want any 1.6lt ? all have no tourqe and are over rated.If you want power on a budget just go turbo.How much will cost just to swap a 1.6 into your car.Never mind turbo the thing.For example how much you spend just putting it in your car.I would still mop the floor with you and probily have spent half the amount.Do some searching on this forum your not driveing a ricer civic you now have class.

[A20A1]

Well now that the Stock HP numbers have been posted... I think that it would be cheaper to build a A20 and make up the 15 HP then to swap in the ZC and gain 15 hp.
Also 15 hp is simply not that big of a deal... on the other hand what are the TQ numbers for each motor?

Back to the topic: TURBO , FREE , ZC

Since it's free then fly with it, however I don't know much about the ZC internals. Nor am I aware of the aftermarket on the ZC.

If in the end the parts you use to build the ZC are custom then I would say keep the A20 cause you'll be taking the same route.

Then again the DOHC has it's perks just because of the extra exhaust flow, but VE is increase in either A20 or ZC due to the turbo so in then end it's down to a turbo 2.0L vs and 1.6L.

1.6 may come out as more responsive... I'm not sure...

What effect does displacement have on turbo sizing? Or shall I reserch this myself as i normally do?

[A20A1]

...Do some searching on this forum your not driveing a ricer civic you now have class.

I wouldn't start bashing other cars, it doesn't help us (3geez member base) look good.

- Thanks :D

[steven]

shit i can get stage 4 turbo/SC/Nitros cams, high lift valve springs, custom pistons, all kind of stuff for the ZC, can get a ZC head to accept LS valve train, Ported manifolds


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[steven]

and i had 3 3rd gen accords thank you. i know my shit

[A20A1]

I never said there wasn't aftermarket... I said I haven't look into what is available. Therefore unaware of it's aftermarket.

Since what you posted seems to be widely avaiable then it's no longer custom vs custom. and is therfore less costly to go with the ZC, since both motors are at the ready.

Still anything you list... minus the availability of a DOHC head or it's Vtec counterpart can also be made / done to the A20, just cost becomes more of a factor.

With a DOHC bumped to 2.1 liters with a spoon or some other stroker kit, the A20's only staying power is it's cast iron Closed-deck block.

BTW did you copy and paste that from a site?, if so it would be ever so helpful if a link to the site was posted so that Johnypimpin2005 can make his determination on his ZC swap with all the avaiable options.

[steven]

well buds302 (my brother) emailed them about a turbo kit for the A20, im sure he will let you all know

[A20A1]

DH-RACING (http://www.dh-racing.com/)

Cool let us know about the kit.

[Elijah]

I wouldn't start bashing other cars, it doesn't help us (3geez member base) look good.

- Thanks :D

Sorry I had to.We both know how much work it is to get a motor like this in our car.The only way it would be worth it is if you had lots of extra time on your hands and everything was free lol

[steven]

yeah just becouse it its a bolt-in swap for the 4g civic, it would take alot more for the 3g accord, you would need custom axles,linkage,wiring,mounts,all kind of stuff.

im mean anything is posible with lots of $$ and time, and patiants

[AccordEpicenter]

it would NEVER BE WORTH IT...

[buds302]

my bro got lucky with his zc engine and trans. he found it in the j-yard. paid 500 cash. and pulled it himself. but to outright buy one from japan is gonna cost you$$$$ something in the range of 800-1500 and thats just the engine. now as for parts, the zc can accept any parts from american made manufacturers. but its a mix and match deal meaning different parts from different engines and years.

[steven]

yeah, have to find shit out about honda engines, like i had to do, search for parts to fit the ZC, now i have a whole list of parts to fit it.

[buds302]

DH-RACING (http://www.dh-racing.com/)

Cool let us know about the kit.
alright i got good news!!!!! dh racing said theyd do it but i have to send them an exhaust manifold(i got one lying around)one question though? where would you put thy oxy sensors before or after the turbo? and they said they need some dimensions for the piping. i told him that this would open up a whole new chapter for the 3g. since there arent many 3g turbos out there and the manifold isn't readily available like on a civic or prelude. i will return with more updates when available :rockon: