Accord V8

[RiCANACCORD]

Can I put a V8 on an Accord, is it possible?

I'm looking forward on buying a more powerfull engine. I want something that can beat my friend's 350z ( http://www.cardomain.com/id/arturo350z )


That car is a beast but I know there's something I can do. I need to swap for a more powerfull motor and transmition. I will also need to compense with a high performance suspension since the motor will be heavier and the car is FWD. Any comments or suggestions would be highly appreciated!! :)

[Busted_Blue]

Good luck. You bought the wrong car to beat a 350z. :)

[hondamanlxi]

350z's arent that wonderful... n20 or boost will whoop that ass

[TheSummoner101]

accord = daily driver/beater car
350z = street racing/dumb stuff car

dont waste money on the accord if its running fine. get a newer car and whip ur friends car if u want.

good luck wid the custom work if u do decide to do it.

[BDaccordguy]

um i suppose you could put a V8 in your car, i have seen pics of a 4g accord with a V8 and RWD. But, it would cost you so much that it wouldnt be worthwhile in the end. If you want to beat that Z youre better off boosting the car you have, or a different car.. especially if you plan on keeping it fwd.

[RiCANACCORD]

That 350 is really really fast !! It beat a STI Subaru WKR TURBO Custom Modded. I was in the 350z and the other seemed to be paused in the back for a while but my friend slowed down because it was raining really hard and we don't like putting other lifes at risk. It will be really expensive but It was a bet and I can't afford do waste my money. V8's got 3xx HP stock imagine that motor in our Accords. Sweet stuff. Turboed and double intake system. There's a guy who sells illegal motors near my house so I will go there and ask for a beast motor. He even sells motor with 500+hp all alone.

[AccordEpicenter]

well i should be able to take down a 350z from a roll... from a standstill... ahh its traction dependant/wastegate dependant (mine acts up)... 10psi boost stock block. The 350z's are not bad, but not my first choice

[RiCANACCORD]

Epicenter Is your Accord the fastest right now?

[AccordEpicenter]

umm the fastest accord on the board is JonnyO's turbo accord drag car, hes running in the 10s i believe. Other than that i heard sean talking about 12s, at the current time id say that the accord is running high 13s-low 14s, I ROCKET away from LS/Vtec Civics (running mid-high 14s)... But its been inconsistant before i put it away for the winter, clutch trouble, motor mount trouble, turbo wastgate trouble, timing issues etc... itll be faster with a new turbo next season.

[Elijah]

I think I can hang with them if the clutch holds up.Next year I will beat them with the new clutch I think.I have it just got to install it.And traction is the biggest problem for me.Honestly I wouldnt bother unless you got lots of extra $ kicking around.But it can be done.Just boost though dont try and put a v8 in it

[johndej]

hey, beat them at their own game. go out and buy an original datson 240Z and put a 350 crate motor in that bitch.

[88accordhb]

i'm sorry i normally don't say this, but judging from your posts. you are a flamin noob buddy. i mean i can understand if youre one of those enthusiasts that knows custom motor work. but wow! puttin a v8 in your beater accord just to beat a stock 350. wowza.

350's are stock low 14s i believe. you can beat that with the motor you have now, but i don't think you in particular can do that.

[Elijah]

i'm sorry i normally don't say this, but judging from your posts. you are a flamin noob buddy. i mean i can understand if youre one of those enthusiasts that knows custom motor work. but wow! puttin a v8 in your beater accord just to beat a stock 350. wowza.

350's are stock low 14s i believe. you can beat that with the motor you have now, but i don't think you in particular can do that.


I love you lol

[Neuspeed87lx]

with the amount of money you would spend on custom making a shit load of parts to get a v8 into a 3g you could just build the a20 thats in the car now and have the car be very fast ...dont waste your time and money putting a v8 in a 3g.... plus if you put a v8 in the 3g your buddie is gona go ... oh so what you beat me with an 8 cylinder... it would be sweater to smoke him in a little SOHC 4 cylinder :)

[od2681]

you can alwasy buy a motorcycle....cheap and fast...

btw clean ass 350

[Moodybluesr]

350Z beat an STI in the rain!?!? :bs:

[88accordhb]

I love you lol
but we can't do this elijah you have a wife and kid. jp

yah i was gonna call the bs flag on the sti rain thing too. sti is more powerful and has awd. soo ehhh, maybe the driver sucks?

[Elijah]

350Z beat an STI in the rain!?!? :bs:


I say driver has alot to do with it there :birthday:

[SteveDX89]

350Z won't be an STi in the dry either. Especially stock 350 against a modded STi.

[Legend_master]

That 350 is really really fast !! It beat a STI Subaru WKR TURBO Custom Modded. I was in the 350z and the other seemed to be paused in the back for a while but my friend slowed down because it was raining really hard and we don't like putting other lifes at risk. It will be really expensive but It was a bet and I can't afford do waste my money. V8's got 3xx HP stock imagine that motor in our Accords. Sweet stuff. Turboed and double intake system. There's a guy who sells illegal motors near my house so I will go there and ask for a beast motor. He even sells motor with 500+hp all alone.


Are you sure that the sti wasent just being the smart guy and not racing? Because either way FWD, RWD, AWD it is stupid to race somebody in the rain. I bet he wasent even racing :thumbup:

[NXRacer]

building a car so you can beat your friend is entirely the wrong reason to do anything. Sounds like you've been playing too much Need for Speed Underground y0

[88accordhb]

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building a car so you can beat your friend is entirely the wrong reason to do anything. Sounds like you've been playing too much Need for Speed Underground y0
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[SteveDX89]

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[Mike's89AccordLX]

Yeah if you're friend has a 350Z and he wants to race you to beat you then he needs to get a fricken life. His car can't be that good if he has to race a old beater accord. Tell him to go race someone that is a little closer to his hp range. Or have him give you like an 1/8 mile head start and race a 1/4 mile ;) Then it would be about fair.

-Mike

[HondaBoy]

sounds like too much of these two. cant say i havent watched em though, but i didnt let it get to me i guess.
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[od2681]

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hey nice..like the totem pole type smilys....how are they standing up..they should fall down cuz of the last one..look hes rolling
man im sayin stupid crap cuzz im tired

[Robs89LXi]

hey nice..like the totem pole type smilys....how are they standing up..they should fall down cuz of the last one..look hes rolling
man im sayin stupid crap cuzz im tired

At 2:00 in the afternoon you're tired? What you been doin'?
Why do we have two pages on such stupid topics?
Why am I posting this, 'cause now I've just added to it too?
Shit, maybe I'm tired.

[accordlxi2.0]

hey...what's wrong with playing nfs underground.
that's basically my fav. game right now.

but a couple guy's here..if im correct has turbo on there 3g and the internals are stock.
i mean most of our car's on here can out run some of these 04' cars, you know.
and sorry homey but i think they're right sti is pretty fast..

[AccordEpicenter]

building a car so you can beat your friend is entirely the wrong reason to do anything building cars out of spite is the reason lamborghini is around today...

[Legend_master]

building cars out of spite is the reason lamborghini is around today...


So true, So true :crying:

[RiCANACCORD]

Well guys believe it or not he beat the STI, and the road was wet. Next time I'll have a cam corder.




C'mon guys people use datsuns for rotatives motors and Turbos. Anything can be done. I'll have pics when the job is finally done. Thanks for the "support". :cool:


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[RiCANACCORD]

link for the V8 but it is way too expensive :-( http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7939030550&category=33733

[88accordhb]

uhhh rican? do you even think when you type? wtf is rotatives motors? did you mean rotary? cuz there's tons of things that rotate in a motor, 4-stroker, 2-stoker, jet engine, mary-go-rounds. but uhhh, yah, youre kinda pissing me off buddy.

jk man. hahah

[Underdog]

Too expensive? How much were you planning on spending on an engine? I don't think you're going to find a good V8 for $100. Don't even waste your time. Why put thousands and thousands of dollars in putting a V8 into an accord? Why not turbo it? I don't get it maybe?

[RiCANACCORD]

Forgive me. My english sucks as you can see. Well, how much HP I can earn with a nice Turbo Kit, exhaust, headers, weber(mine is carburetor). :rant:


I don't think about the cost, I just want to make it run and fast period...

[Underdog]

I don't think about the cost, I just want to make it run and fast period...



link for the V8 but it is way too expensive :-(

[RiCANACCORD]

How much HP you got in your 3g Mike??

[Justin86]

well if you build the motor and add a fat turbo, with some kick ass tires you should be able to beat your friend for under apox 10K, or get a GSX-R or R1 bike :D 180hp in a 380lb package, you be running 11's all day long :thumbup:

[Elijah]

I have 174whp and 161flbtq.The car came stock with 120hp 122tq.And dynoed at 84 whp.So how much crank hp do I have do the math.And you dont use a header and turbo together.Im not trying to be rude but I think you got to do some reasearch before you attempt anything.Or tell me how much $ you want to spend and I can help you in decideing what to get.And tell you in advance around what hp#'s to expect.If you want to just keep up with your friend and mabey not very reliable 3-4k is a start.Spend 7+k and you will kill him everytime you try pretty bad and still be pretty reliable.

[modu03]

That 350 is really really fast !! It beat a STI Subaru WKR TURBO Custom Modded. I was in the 350z and the other seemed to be paused in the back for a while but my friend slowed down because it was raining really hard and we don't like putting other lifes at risk.

:bs: a stock subaru wrx runs a 13.2 1/4 mile at 104 mph... a stock 350z runs a 14.1 at 99 mph... a 350z with a vortech supercharger giving it an extra 86 hp runs a 13.6... this is still not good enough to beat the sti... and the rain... all wheel drive sti gets more grip than rear wheel 350.

the only way your friend would have beat that car is if the sti driver didn't know you were actually trying to race him.

the 350 is a nice car... but it would be no match for a turbo accord... don't waste money trying to put in a v8, just get a turbo and you'll beat your friends 350z... hell, my accord runs a low 15 and it's only got what you see listed below...

well, it might not run that with the crappy tires i got on right now, but that'll change soon :rockon:

[smufguy]

old V8s in ur car is waste of ur time. Get a Caddy northstart V8. u can pick them up from a good locak junkyard. There was a Golf with a northstart V8 in it and was featured in the SCC couple of months back. Suprisingly the V8 was super duper light. Light enough that the car was streetable. But do know it was basically everything custom under the engine. cross members, axles, steering and what not.

sti Vs a 350z. bro, dont sweat it. i have a friend who owns a sti and a friend who just got a G35 coupe. Im telling u, the sti is fast no matter what. it comes with pretty much slick tires for the dry and with the continental contitrack allseason tires, the sti took off like crazy and just disappeared. Believe me, the guy with the sti was not even racing you. If he did, u would have been crying.

U want a V8 in ur accord. well look at these pics and make up ur mind. dont think about driving it in the street. cause u cant. i cant find the pic of its frame, but the whole frame is custom tubular chassie,

http://img36.exs.cx/img36/5601/i1bl5ub.jpg

http://img32.exs.cx/img32/319/i3bl7ja.jpg

http://img32.exs.cx/img32/6306/i6bl5ti.jpg

[Mike's89AccordLX]

Yes get that cadilac motor! Wipeout is a member of this site and he's having that Northstar V8 put into his Pontiac Fiero. Talk about fricken power in a tiny car. But that isn't as cool as the dual motored hugo that we saw pics of awhile back.

[Moodybluesr]

But that isn't as cool as the dual motored Yugo that we saw pics of awhile back.

http://home.earthlink.net/~moodybluesr/Yugo1.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~moodybluesr/Yugo3.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~moodybluesr/Fiero.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~moodybluesr/Fiero2.jpg

:cool:

[RiCANACCORD]

Sweet motor on the accord below. Well, I'll problably make the car turbo and then (in a couple of years) get the V8 . thanks smuffguy :bowrofl:

[RiCANACCORD]

Oh and about the STI vs 350z; my friend flashed the lights and the sti slowed down so we can know he was going to accept, then both cars slowed down on toll and then my friend pushed the throtle first and the other guy tried to catch us but he couldn't. After my friend slowed down then the STI passed the 350 like at 90+ or something. Perhaps it was the pilot. Remember the STI got four seats while the 350 has only two. And the 350 is more aereodynamic than the sti. I don't know but my friend won. :thumbup:


350z Coupe info http://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/ModelAttributes/0,,38069|31005|,00.html


SUBARU STI INFO (AGAINST THE V6 3.5L of the Nissan 350z 287 HP)
Type 2.5-Liter DOHC aluminum-alloy 16-valve 4-cylinder horizontally opposed Subaru Boxer engine with Active Valve Control System (AVCS). Sodium-filled exhaust valves. Iridium spark plugs.
Horsepower 300 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque (lb.-ft.) 300 lb.-ft. @ 4000 rpm
Fuel & Ignition System Sequential multi-port fuel injection. Electronic Throttle Control (ETC). Engine management with integrated self-diagnostics and adaptive driving habits capability. Direct ignition.
Fuel Tank Capacity 15.9 gallons
Fuel Economy (city/highway) Manual: 18/24 mpg

[smufguy]

the dude with the sti probably misshifted. Its hard getting used to that tranny than any other tranny. They are really closed ratio tranny compared to any 6spd i have driven. The widest 6spd has to be the acura rsx and tl. im just talking about expensive cars here :D

[RiCANACCORD]

it could be possible smuff, who knows...


Hey Smuf was your car the one that appeared on November's Sport Compact Car Magazine :nervous: ??

[Elijah]

His was the car.You cant forget the wrx is awd

[smufguy]

it could be possible smuff, who knows...


Hey Smuf was your car the one that appeared on November's Sport Compact Car Magazine :nervous: ??

yeah it was mine. :D

[RiCANACCORD]

The V8 could be a possible choice, but I figured out that I could add a CRX B18 and make it Turbo stage III. That could smoke the 350z :rocket: I guess...
What you guys think...

[AccordEpicenter]

or you could turbo stage III an accord for less money and be just about as fast with less headache. Idk guys ive seen really shitty drivers even with really good cars like stis and 350zs... i remember one time at the track this tard in a 350z pulled a 16.1 with his shitty slow ass driving

[Elijah]

lol I saw a twin turbo 350z pull a 14.6

[2old_honda]

old V8s in ur car is waste of ur time. Get a Caddy northstart V8. u can pick them up from a good locak junkyard. There was a Golf with a northstart V8 in it and was featured in the SCC couple of months back. Suprisingly the V8 was super duper light. Light enough that the car was streetable. But do know it was basically everything custom under the engine. cross members, axles, steering and what not.

sti Vs a 350z. bro, dont sweat it. i have a friend who owns a sti and a friend who just got a G35 coupe. Im telling u, the sti is fast no matter what. it comes with pretty much slick tires for the dry and with the continental contitrack allseason tires, the sti took off like crazy and just disappeared. Believe me, the guy with the sti was not even racing you. If he did, u would have been crying.

U want a V8 in ur accord. well look at these pics and make up ur mind. dont think about driving it in the street. cause u cant. i cant find the pic of its frame, but the whole frame is custom tubular chassie,

[IMG]http://img36.exs.cx/img36/5601/i1bl5ub.jpg[IMG]

[IMG]http://img32.exs.cx/img32/319/i3bl7ja.jpg[IMG]

[IMG]http://img32.exs.cx/img32/6306/i6bl5ti.jpg[IMG]

Hey do you remember how much that guy was asking for that accord? It was for sale on ebay quite a few times. I dont remember for sure but I dont think he wanted all that much for it. But I could be wrong. Anyone remember?

[smufguy]

not sure 2old_honda. the pics are from three years back

[88accordhb]

wtf is a crx b16

[smufguy]

wtf is a crx b16?

i think he meant to say a crx with a B18 and a turbo

[FoX]

Can I put a V8 on an Accord, is it possible?

I'm looking forward on buying a more powerfull engine. I want something that can beat my friend's 350z ( http://www.cardomain.com/id/arturo350z )


That car is a beast but I know there's something I can do. I need to swap for a more powerfull motor and transmition. I will also need to compense with a high performance suspension since the motor will be heavier and the car is FWD. Any comments or suggestions would be highly appreciated!! :)


I know you can get a 86 -87 v6 accura legend and swap that motor into a 3g accord. I've seen it done, dont know what was required though. probably just a lot of dough.

[88accordhb]

i kno i said b16 which came in the jdm sir crx's but no crx's came with b18. if he wanted a b18 it would be off an integra.

[RiCANACCORD]

True, b18 is acura :thumbup:

[Elijah]

True, b18 is acura :thumbup:


Integra not acura.Its still honda lol :rice: :birthday: :welcome: :stupid: :blah:

[88accordhb]

Integra not acura.Its still honda lol :rice: :birthday: :welcome: :stupid: :blah:
hahahaha i love you for catching that.

[HondaBoy]

that hugo is cool. looks like a chevy? 350 maybe? then the front engine looks like a 2.2 chrysler turbo. and Fox, where the hell did you see a legend V6 put into a 3gee? that'd be the 2.7 most likely, about 160 hp. i'd rather have the j-spec B20 160 hp. just cuz i like its the 2.0 four. yeah thats why. anyway, i'd rather drive a G35 than a 350Z. a G35 in red, mmmm, or maybe black. that'd be sweet.

[88accordhb]

g35 coupe with oem spoiler black on some black volks. dddrrroooolllllll

[Moodybluesr]

that hugo is cool. looks like a chevy? 350 maybe? then the front engine looks like a 2.2 chrysler turbo. and Fox, where the hell did you see a legend V6 put into a 3gee? that'd be the 2.7 most likely, about 160 hp. i'd rather have the j-spec B20 160 hp. just cuz i like its the 2.0 four. yeah thats why. anyway, i'd rather drive a G35 than a 350Z. a G35 in red, mmmm, or maybe black. that'd be sweet.


The rear motor is actually a Cadillac 500 from a 1970 ElDorado. :thumbup:

[modu03]

[QUOTE=RiCANACCORD]Oh and about the STI vs 350z; my friend flashed the lights and the sti slowed down so we can know he was going to accept, then both cars slowed down on toll and then my friend pushed the throtle first and the other guy tried to catch us but he couldn't. After my friend slowed down then the STI passed the 350 like at 90+ or something. Perhaps it was the pilot. Remember the STI got four seats while the 350 has only two. And the 350 is more aereodynamic than the sti. I don't know but my friend won. :thumbup:

ok... i don't usually pick on people like this, but uh... what does the number of seats in a car have to do with anything??? :wtf: actually if you research on the aerodynamics thing, the sti has slightly better aerodynamics than the 350 z... just look at that big flat grill on the front of the 350z... and the z weighs more... and as far as it being the "pilot"... well, he would have to be one of the worst drivers in the world to lose in an sti to a 350z in the rain... awd=grip rwd=slip . but, maybe he was a really really bad driver, tried to take off in the wrong gear and had to shift, that would explain the stand still when you took off...

anyway, the only point i want to get across is that the sti is quite a bit faster than a 350z... even a supercharged z with an extra 86 horses is about half a second slower in the quarter mile.

i've had a few people race me and cheat by taking off before the light changed, did your friend happen to pull one of those. cause i may do some street racing which i know is stupid, but i'm not stupid enough to run a red light just to beat someone.

[AccordEpicenter]

well if the sti driver was really bad then yeah the 350z could have had a chance, but he would have had to have bogged real bad. Even then both those cars are shit heavy

[Legend_master]

well if the sti driver was really bad then yeah the 350z could have had a chance, but he would have had to have bogged real bad. Even then both those cars are shit heavy

I agree with this, I think the 350z jumped off the GO. Then only raced for a small amount of time, then let off and thought he won. In a real race that Sti would have done some :rocket: on that 350z. Sorry to tell you RiCANACCORD, but your friends 350 is not as fast as you think. If I was in your postion, I would Turbo the accord and do some engine mods to allow the car to be driven hard with the turbo set at high boost. That's all you need to beat that 350z and it will cost a couple grand less than a V8 swap. :dunno: Thats about all I can tell you on that subject

[thegreatdane]

Dammit, the pictures are dead, but this '80 accord had a V8 built in. Maybe someone's got the pictures?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2485656879&category=6254

[A20A1]

Please don't stick a V8 in the front of our cars... make it mid engine at least. Our rear end is light enough as is without adding more weight to the front... you have to balance things out or you'll end up only handling good in straight lines.

[sporkHSP]

Please don't stick a V8 in the front of our cars... make it mid engine at least. Our rear end is light enough as is without adding more weight to the front... you have to balance things out or you'll end up only handling good in straight lines.
oh come on mike, i think it could handle awesome even with a Bugatti W16 quad turbo in teh front, i mean ITS A HONDA!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
i do have a question tho, why the hell do you race in the rain? especally in a car that can spin its rear wheels fairly easily (i would imagine)... it seems like an ingenious ricer thing to do. the sti was probably smart enough to realize that if he backed off then maybe you wouldnt lose control and kill yourselves, who knows maybe he too has had friends die in rainy night car accidents :dunno: .

I realize this thread is old, so if you dont feel like anymore people ragging on you, just stop reading now. please.

I never intended on ranting and flaming here, but i feel the need to now. You and your friend need lives, he needs to worry about giving ricer flybys to people in his hp range, and you need to stick your head in your monitor or maybe a book and read up on cars alittle bit more. the easiest way to get horsepower is not a v8. turbo, or maybe a managably sized engine swap would serve you sooo much better. for a v8 swap you need engine, transmission, custom driveshaft, redo the entire underside of your car for those, convert to rear wheel drive (create room and then put diff. in and figure out how the suspension will work, custom steering,custom mounts for everything, ect (its 4:00 im too tired to keep going)... to do a turbo set up you need a new carb (or mod yours), custom turbo manifold, custom piping, turbo, probably a fuel pump,... obviously a much shorter and more cost effective list. and lets say for instance you do a b series swap w/ turbo you need engine/trans, custom mounts, custom shift linkage, axles, ecu and wiring harnesses, fuel pump, a premade turbo package for the engine. again, much more managable swap.
but if money is no object, id still go with the built b18(about for $12,000) that K-roy posted over a v8 . with equal drivers that your car could take the 350 with that.

[Low Tek]

ummm.. yea.. turbo is the way to go.... mine will be complete soon.... BOOST OWNS YOU - (taking from AccordEpicenter's sig)

[RiCANACCORD]

My friend won in a racing track last sunday. He won the overall circuit competition with the best time in the 350z!! hehe again !!!! He added a few pics to his domain. Go check it out. And he won again to the sti. It's all about the curves "slow in " fast out. The STI looses traction in curves. It's not the speed but the driving and traction. Well I'm kind of proud for my friend, but he will loose to an accord hopefully!!!!!!!

He also made a drifting "show in the track, and all people did liked it.

the updated car domain page http://www.cardomain.com/id/arturo350z :rofl:

[pisnapalm]

this is propping up a thread that oughta (should) be dead by now, but i can't help myself.
i know it's been said before, but it seems that the only reason you'd modify our cars for racing is to prove something. they were designed for fuel mileage and and reliability. i can understand if the car was just scrap anyways (mine), or if you've just got alot of money to spend. but what's the point if you could just buy a car that's already fast and build on that w/ aftermarket parts that are almost always cheaper and more readily available? it's like pumping a geezer full of steroids and riding on his back for jollies.

with that out of the way: ...it you're gonna do this, do it right. forget the v8. if your a20 is young (i mean, a stranger to brutality), you could even use that. and you can scratch a step off of your list. the turbo will be your first job. you could get a cost effective kit for afew grand. you could try used turbo but i wouldn't recommend it...and intercooler will help. next will be header-back exhaust (TUNED header-back exhaust! THIS IS MOST IMPORTANT. =negative backpressure). i don't know anything first hand about this job, but i do know that the principle is forced-discharge[?] (like forced induction [f/i], only different). one combustion's exhaust is timed (through specifically shaped tubing) to go ahead of next discharge and basically SUCK it out of engine. while you're at it (killing your car i mean), go ahead and load it with enough no2 to turn milk into jet propellant. after all this, you'll still have spent less than with the v8 job. and you can kiss your a20 goodbye.
putting a v8 in a 3g is something jay leno would do

[Low Tek]

putting a v8 in a 3g is something jay leno would do


HAHAHAHA :thumbup:

[sporkHSP]

this is propping up a thread that oughta (should) be dead by now, but i can't help myself.
i know it's been said before, but it seems that the only reason you'd modify our cars for racing is to prove something. they were designed for fuel mileage and and reliability. i can understand if the car was just scrap anyways (mine), or if you've just got alot of money to spend. but what's the point if you could just buy a car that's already fast and build on that w/ aftermarket parts that are almost always cheaper and more readily available? it's like pumping a geezer full of steroids and riding on his back for jollies.

with that out of the way: ...it you're gonna do this, do it right. forget the v8. if your a20 is young (i mean, a stranger to brutality), you could even use that. and you can scratch a step off of your list. the turbo will be your first job. you could get a cost effective kit for afew grand. you could try used turbo but i wouldn't recommend it...and intercooler will help. next will be header-back exhaust (TUNED header-back exhaust! THIS IS MOST IMPORTANT. =negative backpressure). i don't know anything first hand about this job, but i do know that the principle is forced-discharge[?] (like forced induction [f/i], only different). one combustion's exhaust is timed (through specifically shaped tubing) to go ahead of next discharge and basically SUCK it out of engine. while you're at it (killing your car i mean), go ahead and load it with enough no2 to turn milk into jet propellant. after all this, you'll still have spent less than with the v8 job. and you can kiss your a20 goodbye.
putting a v8 in a 3g is something jay leno would do

newbie, i like you.
(i know youve been here for over a year, but your still a newbie.)
wouldnt the negative back pressure thing be more in the manifold design than the actual lenght of the exhaust system... im not a turbo guru, but it seems like you need the manifold to tune the system.

[Low Tek]

lol.. your right spork.. the mannifold is the part.. but from what I have been reading the rest plays big too, the more open you have, the better for spooling.. (correct me if I am wrong).. I do know that turboing our cars with the A20 is the smart way. we have soo damned much torque in the bottom end.. add a turbo and motor work.. you got some BIG fun rollin...

[AccordEpicenter]

fuck with your cam timing, ad a laggy turbo and aluminum flywheel= Where did all my torque go? Hello Topend!!!

[AccordEpicenter]

fuck with your cam timing, ad a laggy turbo and aluminum flywheel= Where did all my torque go? Hello Topend!!!

[od2681]

damn thsi thread got long
are you sure it wasnt just a regular wrx and not the sti....

[pisnapalm]

wouldnt the negative back pressure thing be more in the manifold design than the actual lenght of the exhaust system... im not a turbo guru, but it seems like you need the manifold to tune the system.

you're definitely right that that's the main item right there. i always assumed a header was an exhaust manifold. i could be wrong. but everything else behind that is just to relieve alittle more backpressure. o, and to state the obvious and/or smear a stupid myth: your muffler has virtually nothing to do with your backpressure.

[AccordEpicenter]

well mufflers can have effect on backpressure, it all depends. In a forced induction application, you want somthing with rather short, large volume primary tubes that form into a nice flowing collector (big big gains are made this way), runner length isnt soo much a factor is it is in N/A cars (then it makes a big diff) but what the noob above me is trying to explain is the zipper effect that lessens or eliminates reversion in the runners by having the collector designed so that the exhaust pulses are synchronized and that helps to pull out more exhaust from the cylinder and helps efficiency and power. For example, on 88-89 LXi/SEi in that exhaust manifold, cylinders 1 and 4 are merged first, and then cylinders 2 and 3, and this improves exhaust scavenging and midrange power/torque. Somtimes on big 4 cyls if you merge 4 and 3 by themselves, and 1 and 2 by themselves first that can give you an increase in power, however most of this merging exhausts in a 4-2-1 setup only really makes a big difference in N/A setups too. In forced induction as long as you have the collector properly designed before the turbo youll be just fine, its more about absolute flow than velocity in a forced induction exhaust manifold.

[pisnapalm]

i didn't know that. that absolute flow was the ticket in f/i cars, as opposed to velocity as is n/a cars. "the zipper effect"; it has a name. tight. would you mind explaining how the shorter frequency/higher volume discharge syncs (like the difference between 4/1 - 2/3 and 4/3/1/2) works? i kinda got lost

[smufguy]

it also has to do with your firing order. Most of the 4 cyls have the same kinda firing order and hence the merge of 4 and 1 and 2 and 3. it usually depends on the term of application.

[AccordEpicenter]

yeah smurf... kinda. If the exhaust pulses go one right after another where the header is joined 4/3 and then 2/1 what happens for example is that say cyl 2 pushes the exhaust out, and then cyl 1 immediatley after, this uses the already moving exhaust from cyl 2 will help suck the exhaust out of cylinder 1 and make a lil more power, but it seems to be only really effective in big motors, like in Nissan's QR25DE motor from the Sentra SER-V (2.5L) they have gotten seriously 20+ hp from a header of this design.

Say in a header where you combine cyls 4/1 and 2/3 separatley, and the firing order is 1 3 4 2 or so, the thought is that each cylinders exhaust timing is evenly spaced out, reducing backpressure in the manifold and making a good power band.

In a header that has a 4 into 1 design, it tends to make the most top end power, sacrificing some low and midrange power in an N/A application

For Forced induction (this includes supercharging), exhaust tuning isnt as big a deal, so short large primary tubes that merge all cylinders into 1 (4-1 header) seems to provide the least restriction.

An N/A engine can be tuned by the exhaust using tube lengths and diameters and different header to alter the backpressure etc and thus the powerband and overall power output, but usually forced induction creates much more exhaust gas volume and in a turbo setup particularly, the exhaust side of the turbine creates a ton of exhaust backpressure anyway, so thats why on a turbo car people say that no exhaust (open dp etc) is the best exhaust.