4-1 S&S Header , The Cats Out Of The Bag

[Strugglebucket]

yup. i did.

4-1, ceramic coated. it looks good. i'll try to see if i can steal a roomate's camera and post some pictures later.

[NXRacer]

Nice! It'll be interesting to see how it holds up. compared to our current option.

[Vanilla Sky]

FINALLY someone with the balls to buy one... i wanna know what you think of it... is it worth the price premium over the pacesetter? is it an item that has to b built after you order it? when you install it, try to take plenty of pics... i'm excited, man... i've been looking at that header ever since DC dropped us...

thanks for having the balls to try something else, man!

[Strugglebucket]

well, the main reason i bought it is because i think the 4-1 will benefit my particular engine and transmission setup...and i needed to have the o2 and egr hookups because i'm in california. also, i didn't want to have to send out a header to get it ceramic coated. and of course used dc's are becoming really $rare$. i refuse to pay over $300 for a USED header.

the build quality looks good, though only one of the o2 bungs came drilled. i need to drill the egr and second o2 bung. only real gripe i have is the ball joint instead of a flexpipe but it is located further toward the collecter side than the pacesetter's so maybe with the decrease in leverage it won't have to handle as much motion.

[Dr._8t9LX]

I am coming thru your area on Saturday if you still need a camera for some pics.....PM me

[BlueBead]

get some pics of the header before you put it on! and then after!

[Strugglebucket]

I am coming thru your area on Saturday if you still need a camera for some pics.....PM me
dude! how's it goin?:wave:
i think i should be alright finding a camera to use. seeing as how i live with four other people, lol. thanks for the offer though.

hey, did you ever get the lxi center piece for the cupholder? if not, let me know what color and i can definately find you one.

[88accordhb]

hey man congrats, hope it turns out ok for you. make sure to update with some pics.

[Strugglebucket]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/luby555/primary.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/luby555/100_2394.jpg
yeah, hooking up the egr with that angle is gonna be interesting...i just got it today and i hadn't really looked at it closely until i took these pics. it's definately for the a20, but with my luck s&s sent me the wrong configuration of egr/o2 bungs (heh, bung-holes :kekeke: ). oh well, i'll get it all figured out tomorrow :uh: :lol:

[pendejo]

Those look 100% better than the Pacesetter's! Good luck, let us know how it goes.

BTW, how much $$ did you pay??

[Justanothermike]

looks pretty good. how much did that run u?

[88LXi68]

wow...almost looks like my JDM ITR header

[frankie89]

those are hot!!! cant wait 2 see them in the engine!!!

[rjudgey]

Damn wish i had bought them now was waiting to get one then found out they were out of production but they had one C&C one left and i obviously umed and arhed for too long!! Did you get it direct or from another Supplier? that finish looks like S&S steel i thought Ceramic coating looked matt in finish?

[rjudgey]

can you measure the main pipe size please thanks? Is it 2" or bigger?

[88accordalltheway]

holy jesus those are beautiful, yeah, how much did you pay for them, obviously itll be a little more than pacesetter and a little less than dc....

[rjudgey]

Just been to see if they have them still listed, S&S have updated the website, newer looking, and they have relisted all the headers, and have also realized they fit the 2G preludes as well, cost wise thier around the same price as DC in some ways dearer a Stainless DC is the same as S&S CC $400 non CC is $300 i just hope they have decided to make them again, last time i spoke with them they didn't plan on making anymore unless their was a big interest in people wanting to buy them!! Maybe we should all phone them up and aks about them might help keep them going for longer!!

[Hash_man_Se_i]

Wow, those look pretty nice, shit... not too bad of a price either.

[A20A1]

Looks good, I want to make a Stainless 4-1 using BYOH parts from the 22r kit on LCengineerings site, a custom collector from burns stainless and a custom flange.

[rjudgey]

Unfortunately some of us aren't wuite as talented as you are at welding!! Give me a cylinder head to port any day!!! anyways that looks damn sexy i want one now!! Can anyone phone them to see if they still make them?

[A20A1]

Talented, no way :lol: look at my first 4-1, I used a mig... and it was hard to weld holding the face mask and using only one hand...
I want to arrange my new one like the S&S, or just buy one. :D

[Vanilla Sky]

a20a1... just get a helmet, man...

[Mike's89AccordLX]

Mike buy a dam welding helmet. I have an auto darkening one that is awesome. I've been in my welding class for 2 weeks now and I bought the helmet and an arc welder for my home. My dad has the nice lincoln ones at his house. Lincoln 135 + and a lincoln 250 where you can do mig,tig, wire, arc, etc..... It takes a little bit to get your skills but damn I've been doing some pretty decent welding.

My dad has been welding for over 40 years now. He's had his own welding shop and is starting one again. He's getting a tubing bender but I dont think it does any tubes bigger than 2" though :( Oh well I could buy pre bent stuff I suppose...

Well that header looks awesome. Let us know how it feels with the car.

[rjudgey]

Hey guy's they have a Forum at S&S new one started from beginning of this year with the new website, if we get loads of people to show interest it may make them sit up and think about not stopping making them!!

[NXRacer]

does that thing just bolt together?? Looks like that might be a problem . . . . . .correct me if i'm wrong.

[A20A1]

It uses slip joints... so it's either heavy springs or bolts to hold the two parts together.

[NXRacer]

whats gonna keep it from leaking like a mofo??

[rjudgey]

don't care what it uses i just want one!!

[A20A1]

Leaking should be minimal as the pipes expand. Plus the coating probably added some thickness which can help seal the joint... ad if the pipe butts up agains the one on the inside square then thats even less of a chance for leaking.



Anyways I posted on the forum...

http://ssheaders.com/phpbb/index.php

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[Vanilla Sky]

i know several people that would rather use slipjoints than flanges... and if it does leak, can't you put in an o-ring gasket?

[A20A1]

Hell yeah, less weight on the header... plus it's much easier to take apart.

[NXRacer]

how about the welding on the flange itself?? looks like they didnt go all the way around the pipe. Im guessing the pipes fit INSIDE the flange and dont necessarily need to be welded all the way around the pipe. . . .. .

[Vanilla Sky]

well, you don't weld the pipe to the flange on the outside... you do it on the inside... it's a strength thing

[A20A1]

Those may just be tac welds to hold the pipes in place before welding the inside...

[rjudgey]

Don't care still want one!!
maybe the pipe ends stick out alittle and crush fit against the gasket!!

[Strugglebucket]

arg. i took a look at it this morning and it seems as though they sent me the carbed version instead of the efi version. you can see in the picture that it is actually an egr and a hot air hookup on the #4 primary. i'm having bad luck with getting the right parts lately.

i tried calling s&s this morning but i wasn't able to get through before i had to go to work (was one of you guys tying up the line?lol).

thanks for all the compliments guys. as for your questions, it was $311 plus $100 for the coating. the primary's id is 1 3/8" and the downpipe is 1 7/8" with it going down about a 1/16 of an inch before the cat flange.

[NXRacer]

you should be able to get a cap to fit in the air suction port.

[Strugglebucket]

hehe, you and your lumpy cam :kekeke:

[A20A1]

So,

1.375" ID Primaries to 1.875" ID Merge Out to 1.8125" ID @ Cat Flange

Thanks, not quite what I was looking for

(4) ~ 30" - 36" long 1.625" ID Primaries Merged to a 1.750" ID Choke Merged to a 2.50" ID Out ... Sadly I gotta go custom.

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If you can't trade then
You might want to use the air suction port as the second O2 sensor port... some how adapt the two together... or have a shop weld a bung inside a fitting you can then screw into the AS port... just don't ruin the coating trying to add or remove ports.

[A20A1]

hehe, you and your lumpy cam :kekeke:

There is nothing wrong with lumpy :D good thing it's not contagious. :ugh:

[Vanilla Sky]

There is nothing wrong with lumpy :D good thing it's not contagious. :ugh:

oh, but they are :p

[rjudgey]

hmmm you sure the main pipe section is under 2"? could be a problem for me if so? that would be a shame, mind you must be still better than what i have.

[A20A1]

Maybe you could ask them to build yours a little different... or with a slip on collector instead of the welded one... that way you can swap the collector with the size you need.

[Justin86]

So,

1.375" ID Primaries to 1.875" ID Merge Out to 1.8125" ID @ Cat Flange

Thanks, not quite what I was looking for

(4) ~ 30" - 36" long 1.625" ID Primaries Merged to a 1.750" ID Choke Merged to a 2.50" ID Out ... Sadly I gotta go custom.

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If you can't trade then
You might want to use the air suction port as the second O2 sensor port... some how adapt the two together... or have a shop weld a bung inside a fitting you can then screw into the AS port... just don't ruin the coating trying to add or remove ports.

Yea it would be a good street header and to pass emissions but it could be improved on. looks nice

[Vanilla Sky]

i believe i'll still try building one first...

[A20A1]

I forgot to ask this but How thick is the flange?

[Vanilla Sky]

who cares if it's for a carbed car? tap in a new hole for the extra O2 and be off on your merry way

[A20A1]

problem is that ruins the coating that he paid $100 extra for... if he can trade it then that would be better. I was thinking he should wled the O2 bung into the AS pipe fitting cause it might be large enough to accomodate the sensor and the width of the nut.

[NXRacer]

besides, that hole is in the wrong place. it would read incorrectly only on one runner.

[A20A1]

Hey did anyone find the port spacing on a small block chevy motor?

I looked at the A20 and if you measure from the outside edge of the inner port wall to the other port wall you get about 10" but if you made our ports round instead of oval you'll add about 0.50"

So 10.50"

[Strugglebucket]

besides, that hole is in the wrong place. it would read incorrectly only on one runner.
well, with a 4-1 the best you can do is to have one on #2 or #3 and the other on #1 or #4.

and A20A1, the flange is 1/4" thick with the primary spot welded in the front and fully welded in the back.

[A20A1]

Thought so.

dang 0.25
That saves a lot on money...

I was looking at header adapters made out of aluminum. 0.750" thick... I wonder if one could be CNC'd to mate the A to some other header or turbo manifold.

anywho thanks for the info.

[Oldblueaccord]

Thought so.

dang 0.25
That saves a lot on money...

I was looking at header adapters made out of aluminum. 0.750" thick... I wonder if one could be CNC'd to mate the A to some other header or turbo manifold.

anywho thanks for the info.


That might be a good idea. I made a set to put Chevy headers on a way older Ford motor. It was pretty easy. Prolly not the best flowing piece I ever made but he said mani's were really high and headers were non-existant. Prolly be a good DIY project even if you dont have a mill. I think they were 1.0" aluminium if I remeber/ Space wasnt a real problem it was on a truck.


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[dub88acc]

Just realized the HPC on the S&S headers for our cars are the most expensive topping out at 411.20. Why is that? If they notice that more members will buy these headers, the price sgould go down right. DC's are around the same price.

[A20A1]

dang

[Strugglebucket]

called s&s, looks like i gotta wait until dude gets back monday to talk about getting me one with the second o2. if i can't get one i'll do what A20A1 said and see about having an o2 bung welded inside the air hookup.

oh and when i talked to the lady at s&s she said they had 11 of the 5305 model in stock. dunno if they're coated or not.

[A20A1]

I doubt they would coat them unless it was asked for or else they'd end up with expensive headers that might not sell and it would be a waste to strip them down just to sell them as uncoated.

It's good about the flange size... that size is easily available to me from Lowes.

[Oldblueaccord]

I doubt they would coat them unless it was asked for or else they'd end up with expensive headers that might not sell and it would be a waste to strip them down just to sell them as uncoated.

It's good about the flange size... that size is easily available to me from Lowes.

The bolts I used were flush with the flange/adapter to the block and then I drilled tapped new holes for the chevy headers. The bolt holes were pretty far apart so it really helped. You could prolly use a hole saw to get your holes ruffed in then smooth them out with a dremel etc. Header prices are out rages for small car. I just bought a new set (2) for my 440 and they were 165$ from Summit. I bet the cheapest civic header is still $350.


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[Strugglebucket]

just a quick update here.

the ups guy came and picked up the header with the call slip that s&s sent out for me.
so in about a week i should be getting one back with the 2 oxygen sensors i need. and it turns out they make all of them with the air hookup. so part#5305S (the "S" at the end designates it as being for an lx-i/se-i) still has the air hookup but it's not tapped and it has the extra o2.

i promise i will get some pictures of it installed as soon as i get it back. and eventually some dyno numbers for you guys too once i get the exhaust done since i need to set my cam gear anyway.

[Vanilla Sky]

nice... and i still need to get you those pics i promised you for those parts... sorry for the bad communication...

[Strugglebucket]

it's cool man, whenever you get a chance. i thought maybe you just forgot:tongue:

[Vanilla Sky]

had a friend come over and we went to the next town over for the day...