B16 swap

[Rendon LX-i]

Sup crew, Yes this question is been asked so many time and yeah u prolly gonna say Search But I looked or prolly didnt look right. But I just wanted to know HOW MUCH would it be to do a complete SWAP of a B16 into a 86 lx-i. Cuz i got the money just need to know what needs to be done to get it put in. I would really appricated of u help me out crew. :dunno:

[shepherd79]

well, since noone makes the mounts, linkages and axels anymore, you will have to make them yourself or wait for this guy to finish his swap and see if he will make you a set.
http://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?t=41201

[Elijah]

Boost it or loose it

[3rd GEN]

this is just my .2 cents..but personally, i wouldn't do a b16..for one..the accord is a heavy car and the b16 is torque less..so low end.. you are going to be going nowhere..b16's are a high-end very rev happy motor..I have a g2 teg and just recently did a jdm b16 swap..and even on my teg, i've noticed the lack of torque as compared to having the b18..3G acords are even heavier then my teg, so you will deffinately be feeling a lack in low end power..however, once v-tec kicks in, you will be hauling...esp with a 8200 redline! muhahaha

but if you were gonna to any b-series swap...i'd say b20 is your best bet, 2nd b18....displacement is gonna be the moajor factor here..simply becase you have a heavier car, and you need some "UMPH" to pull that thing around..b20 turbo is the way to go...or go b18 and do LS Vtec..

but from my own knowledge and experience...that is wht i'd do...
of course you don't have to listen to me...but just take those things into concideration:)

[SteveDX89]

this is just my .2 cents..but personally, i wouldn't do a b16..for one..the accord is a heavy car and the b16 is torque less..so low end.. you are going to be going nowhere..b16's are a high-end very rev happy motor..I have a g2 teg and just recently did a jdm b16 swap..and even on my teg, i've noticed the lack of torque as compared to having the b18..3G acords are even heavier then my teg, so you will deffinately be feeling a lack in low end power..however, once v-tec kicks in, you will be hauling...esp with a 8200 redline! muhahaha

but if you were gonna to any b-series swap...i'd say b20 is your best bet, 2nd b18....displacement is gonna be the moajor factor here..simply becase you have a heavier car, and you need some "UMPH" to pull that thing around..b20 turbo is the way to go...or go b18 and do LS Vtec..

but from my own knowledge and experience...that is wht i'd do...
of course you don't have to listen to me...but just take those things into concideration:)

This body style Accord is lighter or comparably heavy depending on trim level to the 6th gen Civic Si coupe. So that means it will be just as fast as that. Accord does not necessarilly mean heavy all the time. Get that out of your thinking.

[88accordhb]

i dont get where you get that idea his sedan is heavy. curb weight is 2568lb with a 2.0 liter while the 99-00 si weigh 2612lb with the smaller 1.6 liter...with the si motor in your sedan, you should feel the same kick as if you were driving the si. and the b16a2 has one of the weakest tq rating in the b-series family.
not a bad swap tho...altho you are encouraged to research on the other b-series.

[3rd GEN]

i don't mean heavy as in weighing 3000 lbs...but the accord in general is a heavier car then most hondas...i was just saying for the weight of the car, you might want to look into something thats a little more torqy to pull that weight...

HP means nothing...it's the torque that gets you moving..

think of it this way... your computer for example...you could have the fastest processing unit ( P4, 2.2ghz) or whatever..but it's the RAM of the HD that helps that procesor think...in otherwords..you need the ram to back the cpu..otherwise, your computer is as useless as a car without a steering wheel..

even in my car.. the jdm b16a is 160hp dohc verse my b18 which was 135hp dohc..but yet, the b18 pulled more then my b16 does...however, my b16 will out run the b18 anyday...every motor has is pro's and cons..depending what car you plan on dropping it into...thats why my other suggestion was an LS-vtec..
where the LS ( b18) is a little more torqy then the b16, and if you drop a vtec head on.. your basically turning it into an gsr motor...

[88accordhb]

i don't mean heavy as in weighing 3000 lbs...but the accord in general is a heavier car then most hondas...i was just saying for the weight of the car, you might want to look into something thats a little more torqy to pull that weight...

HP means nothing...it's the torque that gets you moving..

think of it this way... your computer for example...you could have the fastest processing unit ( P4, 2.2ghz) or whatever..but it's the RAM of the HD that helps that procesor think...in otherwords..you need the ram to back the cpu..otherwise, your computer is as useless as a car without a steering wheel..

even in my car.. the jdm b16a is 160hp dohc verse my b18 which was 135hp dohc..but yet, the b18 pulled more then my b16 does...however, my b16 will out run the b18 anyday...every motor has is pro's and cons..depending what car you plan on dropping it into...thats why my other suggestion was an LS-vtec..
where the LS ( b18) is a little more torqy then the b16, and if you drop a vtec head on.. your basically turning it into an gsr motor...
yes i understand, sorry i misunderstood before, just seems as if you were saying the car is heavy as in that's bad, but compared to the si civics it's relatively the same weight (lighter actually) however if i were to do a swap i would definitely look into ls or crv bottom end with vtec head to give more tq. you'd have to build the b16 internally to get out of that 111 tq range, the ls/vtec or crvtec would be tourquish stock.

[SteveDX89]

even in my car.. the jdm b16a is 160hp dohc verse my b18 which was 135hp dohc..but yet, the b18 pulled more then my b16 does...however, my b16 will out run the b18 anyday...every motor has is pro's and cons..depending what car you plan on dropping it into...thats why my other suggestion was an LS-vtec..
where the LS ( b18) is a little more torqy then the b16, and if you drop a vtec head on.. your basically turning it into an gsr motor...

If the B16 will outrun the B18, why does it matter if it's doesn't pull as hard? What matters is who crosses the finish line first.

[shepherd79]

i have to agree with Steve. B16 may be torqueless at the bottom end, but when it comes racing, you won't use bottom end anyway. plus B16 has almost the same TQ rating as A20. Plus with right gear ratios, you won't need as much TQ to get off the line.

[3rd GEN]

well i was just saying from my experience..even doing a b16 swap in my teg, i was loosing displacment..now you are gonna go from a 2.0 to a 1.6, thats alot of displacement to loose.. yes the b16 is a very good high reving motor, but it just seems like the b16 for an accor is too small of a motor..i'd stick with anything above a b18..or b20

[Rendon LX-i]

Ok I got some good news and some bad news. First I went to a shop around i live and he had a Catalog of some motor mounts and A company made some for 86-89 accord and u can put a B16/B17/B18 and only two bills but the wed site is down so im waiting and the good news I found a complete B16a2 off a 99' si if i remeber right for a Grand but i dont get the distrubuter i dont know why but not bad for 60,000 miles. Just wanted to let u guys what was going on with me and my project. And i have a friend a mine that does custom work on swaping engine He said he make it work hahah. welll b16 well be in soon by july or so. Well Peace Crew.

[SteveDX89]

For the love of god. The only company that made B mounts was Place Racing. I don't care what your catalog says. They are just a supplier for Place Racing stuff. Unless they have them on a shelf, you will not receive them.

[88tandx]

well said steve. anybody know whats going on with the guy who said he was making mounts? doing an efi conversion within the next few months and then hoping to have some sort of b-series in there by the end of the year.

anyone know of any gsr powered 3g's?

-Joe

[BlueBead]

PM lilHonda.. he did a b16 swap and said it cost him 1G, and 900 of that was for the engine....
Good luck tho, we need to get more swapping experiences posted on here

[Bigg_Nate2008]

What would yall say is the best motor for an 1986 honda Accord and it needs to fit it!

[shepherd79]

What would yall say is the best motor for an 1986 honda Accord and it needs to fit it!

first of all, since you are carbed. you need to convert to EFI if you want more power.
second, you can stay carbed, but it will take a lot of money to get the motor put out some power.

and final to answer your question, you are stuck with carbed motor unless you will do some custom work on it, conver to EFi and drop B series honda motor.
even if you drop B16 you will have to make your own mounts, custom axels, custom shifter linkages and much more.

sorry to dissapoint you, but you will have to invest a lot of money if you want better motor. as what motor is the best. well diff people will say diff things. some will say B series is the way to go, but some will say stay with motor you have and turbo it, but even if you go turbo you still have to convert to EFI.

[mouchyn]

a few things to consider. when you lose displacement, you lose torque. physics tells us that. if you're building your accord to be a race car, that doens't so much matter. if you can get your hands on a cheap b16, then go for it. if you're building your 3G to be a daily driver, then the b16 might piss you off. Who wants to drive from stop light to stop light at 6k rpm? i sure don't. not only is the driving not smooth, but the wife would bitch about the noise while trying to have a conversation.

if you want your daily driven 3G accord to move a little faster, you're going to need to up your torque numbers minimally. Stay with a well built 1.8L engine like the b18b or even something bigger like the b20 or H22.

really, since the mounts have to be custom, the wiring harness has to be changed, the ecu has to be changed, axles need to be changed, there's no reason to go with the b16 over something bigger like the b20 or h22. It will take the same amount of work to get the b20 or h22 into the engine bay. H22s with ecus and transmissions can be had for next to nothing, now. I've seen JDM 4th gen prelude vtec front clips sell for less than $2k.

it's this torque/displacement issue that makes people want to spend money boosting their A series engine instead of cramming a different engine in there. It's easy and cheap to find replacement parts for the a20. When it blows up because of the turbo, you can swap a fresh one in for $350 from a local junk yard and still have 250 whp reliably. all it takes is a nicely made manifold and downpipe. that's the only 3G accord specific part you need. The rest is universal. Turbo, exhaust, electronics, fuel upgrades, IC, piping, filters, all universal. With measurements for the manifold and downpipe, a local machine shop could build you a nice heavy manifold for a few hundred bucks. It would take less than three days work. I know. I've done it.

[mouchyn]

long story short:

why would you spend a bunch of money and time doing an engine swap in your accord to make it as fast as a stock civic si?

now you have a car with mediocre power and loud inside and requires you to engage VTEC to go anywhere faster than an insight with nearly dead batteries. no thanks.

all mods being equal, there is no replacement for displacement.

[SteveDX89]

long story short:

why would you spend a bunch of money and time doing an engine swap in your accord to make it as fast as a stock civic si?

now you have a car with mediocre power and loud inside and requires you to engage VTEC to go anywhere faster than an insight with nearly dead batteries. no thanks.

all mods being equal, there is no replacement for displacement.

Typical response from someone with no experience. I can drive my B16 just like I did the A20. I pull out 1K and I can shift at 2K (I usually shift at 3K) and doesn't affect drivability at all. If you don't believe it, come to PA and find out. The only reason it's loud inside my car is because my exhaust is really loud. If I had stock exhaust, it would be just as quiet as a stock A20 with stock exhaust. All mods being equal, huh? Give me a B16 with the same mods as your A20. I'll whoop your ass hard and then point and laugh at you cause you think you car is faster.

[SteveDX89]

anyone know of any gsr powered 3g's?

-Joe

There was a white coupe with a GS-R swap. He sold it tho. Bought an EG hatch and dropped the motor in there. We do have a guy that's got a GS-R block with a type R head tho.


What would yall say is the best motor for an 1986 honda Accord and it needs to fit it!

No need to hijack someone else's thread. Start your own or search.

[shepherd79]

long story short:

why would you spend a bunch of money and time doing an engine swap in your accord to make it as fast as a stock civic si?

now you have a car with mediocre power and loud inside and requires you to engage VTEC to go anywhere faster than an insight with nearly dead batteries. no thanks.

all mods being equal, there is no replacement for displacement.

If you are so knowledgeable about what is the best motor for accord, i would assume you have at least B series swaped. show us your swap?
if you don't have it, i think you should just stop talking right now. if you don't have experience with swaping b series or any other motors beside stock one into 3G accord, you should never speak. We have members with multiple b series swaps and they are happy with them. the driveability doesn't change at all.
So unless you have some experience with 3G accord, your points are useless.

[mouchyn]

jeez. everyone told me this site was full of narrow-minded pricks, but i didn't believe it. I've been looking around here for a long time. It wasn't until just recently that i started posting more.

-I have swapped two b18s into 2nd gen preludes -- which are just like the 3g accord.
-i have swapped MANY different motors into my 3G preludes, including the H22.

if you think a b16 in a 3G accord is "nice," then that's your opinion. good for you. personally, i wouldn't want to spend all that time and money to have get UP to stock civic Si speed/power. If i'm going to weld custom mounts, swap out an ecu, swap the wiring harness, find custom axles, and all that shit, I would want something that will yield me the best results for my time and money. what's so hard to understand about that?

here's an example.

1. header ABC costs $150 and makes 5 whp (dyno proven)
2. header XYZ costs $200 and makes 15 whp (dyno proven)
which would you buy?

buying header ABC is like putting a b16 into the accord. sure it make a tiny bit more power and its cheap, but for just a tad bit more, you can have nearly 3 times the gains.

also, i think it's pretty shitty that a moderator, who is supposed to set an example and work with users to make the site more effective and useful, said my points are useless. how many other cars have you built? how many years have you been a mechanic? how many race organizations are you a member of?

I don't have to prove myself to anyone on here. I didn't think I had to post a resume for people to take me seriously. I think it's great someone got off their ass and put a b16 in their accord. That shows motivation and creativity. All I was saying that for the same money or just a tiny bit more, you could have a MUCH faster car and one that doesn't have to rev to high heaven to do it.

"If you are so knowledgeable about what is the best motor for accord, i would assume you have at least B series swaped."

Actually, no. Quite honestly, I think modding out the 3G accord is pretty dumb. My accord is my efficient daily driver. It hauls me and my family around getting 30 mpg and that's all i need it to do. I have my preludes, motorcycles, and RX7 for going fast. It kinda makes me laugh that you guys want to put all this time and money into a daily driven 3G accord. I mean, for $2000, you can buy a newer accord that makes just as much, if not more power, than a 3G with a b16 in it. Then, if you wanted to hop up your daily driver accord, the swaps would be bolt-in which all of you love so much.

[Oldblueaccord]

jeez. everyone told me this site was full of narrow-minded pricks, but i didn't believe it. I've been looking around here for a long time. It wasn't until just recently that i started posting more.

-I have swapped two b18s into 2nd gen preludes -- which are just like the 3g accord.
-i have swapped MANY different motors into my 3G preludes, including the H22.

if you think a b16 in a 3G accord is "nice," then that's your opinion. good for you. personally, i wouldn't want to spend all that time and money to have get UP to stock civic Si speed/power. If i'm going to weld custom mounts, swap out an ecu, swap the wiring harness, find custom axles, and all that shit, I would want something that will yield me the best results for my time and money. what's so hard to understand about that?

here's an example.

1. header ABC costs $150 and makes 5 whp (dyno proven)
2. header XYZ costs $200 and makes 15 whp (dyno proven)
which would you buy?

buying header ABC is like putting a b16 into the accord. sure it make a tiny bit more power and its cheap, but for just a tad bit more, you can have nearly 3 times the gains.

also, i think it's pretty shitty that a moderator, who is supposed to set an example and work with users to make the site more effective and useful, said my points are useless. how many other cars have you built? how many years have you been a mechanic? how many race organizations are you a member of?

I don't have to prove myself to anyone on here. I didn't think I had to post a resume for people to take me seriously. I think it's great someone got off their ass and put a b16 in their accord. That shows motivation and creativity. All I was saying that for the same money or just a tiny bit more, you could have a MUCH faster car and one that doesn't have to rev to high heaven to do it.

"If you are so knowledgeable about what is the best motor for accord, i would assume you have at least B series swaped."

Actually, no. Quite honestly, I think modding out the 3G accord is pretty dumb. My accord is my efficient daily driver. It hauls me and my family around getting 30 mpg and that's all i need it to do. I have my preludes, motorcycles, and RX7 for going fast. It kinda makes me laugh that you guys want to put all this time and money into a daily driven 3G accord. I mean, for $2000, you can buy a newer accord that makes just as much, if not more power, than a 3G with a b16 in it. Then, if you wanted to hop up your daily driver accord, the swaps would be bolt-in which all of you love so much.


A man with a mind well said. They ll pad lock it now.


wp

[shepherd79]

jeez. everyone told me this site was full of narrow-minded pricks, but i didn't believe it. I've been looking around here for a long time. It wasn't until just recently that i started posting more.

-I have swapped two b18s into 2nd gen preludes -- which are just like the 3g accord.
-i have swapped MANY different motors into my 3G preludes, including the H22.

if you think a b16 in a 3G accord is "nice," then that's your opinion. good for you. personally, i wouldn't want to spend all that time and money to have get UP to stock civic Si speed/power. If i'm going to weld custom mounts, swap out an ecu, swap the wiring harness, find custom axles, and all that shit, I would want something that will yield me the best results for my time and money. what's so hard to understand about that?

here's an example.

1. header ABC costs $150 and makes 5 whp (dyno proven)
2. header XYZ costs $200 and makes 15 whp (dyno proven)
which would you buy?

buying header ABC is like putting a b16 into the accord. sure it make a tiny bit more power and its cheap, but for just a tad bit more, you can have nearly 3 times the gains.

also, i think it's pretty shitty that a moderator, who is supposed to set an example and work with users to make the site more effective and useful, said my points are useless. how many other cars have you built? how many years have you been a mechanic? how many race organizations are you a member of?

I don't have to prove myself to anyone on here. I didn't think I had to post a resume for people to take me seriously. I think it's great someone got off their ass and put a b16 in their accord. That shows motivation and creativity. All I was saying that for the same money or just a tiny bit more, you could have a MUCH faster car and one that doesn't have to rev to high heaven to do it.

"If you are so knowledgeable about what is the best motor for accord, i would assume you have at least B series swaped."

Actually, no. Quite honestly, I think modding out the 3G accord is pretty dumb. My accord is my efficient daily driver. It hauls me and my family around getting 30 mpg and that's all i need it to do. I have my preludes, motorcycles, and RX7 for going fast. It kinda makes me laugh that you guys want to put all this time and money into a daily driven 3G accord. I mean, for $2000, you can buy a newer accord that makes just as much, if not more power, than a 3G with a b16 in it. Then, if you wanted to hop up your daily driver accord, the swaps would be bolt-in which all of you love so much.

well i would like to see some of those swaps you made.
I am not a mechanic, but i can assure you that i met preatty stupid mechanics in my life. I have been working on cars since i was 10 years old. I have been on this board for a long time, and i have contributed to this board a lot.
the reason we people stay and mod this accords is because they love them. I have done B series swap and i can assure you that even with PR kit it wasn't easy. it was one tight fit.

[bobafett]

Actually, no. Quite honestly, I think modding out the 3G accord is pretty dumb. My accord is my efficient daily driver. It hauls me and my family around getting 30 mpg and that's all i need it to do. I have my preludes, motorcycles, and RX7 for going fast. It kinda makes me laugh that you guys want to put all this time and money into a daily driven 3G accord. I mean, for $2000, you can buy a newer accord that makes just as much, if not more power, than a 3G with a b16 in it. Then, if you wanted to hop up your daily driver accord, the swaps would be bolt-in which all of you love so much.

you have a point other than the fact that modding a 2g lude is the same "lame idea" as modding a 2g,3g, accord....

so you may have other go fast toys, but according to your logic the lude would qualify as a stupid car to upgrade as well, ESPECIALLY if you have motorcycles and rx-7's that you are working on.

that being said, its pointless to argue that modding old cars is a waste of time, look where you are, 3geez.com, most of us have $1000-$2000 into performance as well, and it probably would suprise the hell out of me for many more than a few of these accords to break into high 15's... to me thats a waste of money, but i do it anyway... lol i still get 35mpg so i dont care...

cliff notes, even though you are right, no-one cares, we mod 3g accords here! ;)

ps i dont see why this thread would be locked, its not really out of control...

[SteveDX89]

jeez. everyone told me this site was full of narrow-minded pricks, but i didn't believe it. I've been looking around here for a long time. It wasn't until just recently that i started posting more.

-I have swapped two b18s into 2nd gen preludes -- which are just like the 3g accord.
-i have swapped MANY different motors into my 3G preludes, including the H22.

if you think a b16 in a 3G accord is "nice," then that's your opinion. good for you. personally, i wouldn't want to spend all that time and money to have get UP to stock civic Si speed/power. If i'm going to weld custom mounts, swap out an ecu, swap the wiring harness, find custom axles, and all that shit, I would want something that will yield me the best results for my time and money. what's so hard to understand about that?

here's an example.

1. header ABC costs $150 and makes 5 whp (dyno proven)
2. header XYZ costs $200 and makes 15 whp (dyno proven)
which would you buy?

buying header ABC is like putting a b16 into the accord. sure it make a tiny bit more power and its cheap, but for just a tad bit more, you can have nearly 3 times the gains.

also, i think it's pretty shitty that a moderator, who is supposed to set an example and work with users to make the site more effective and useful, said my points are useless. how many other cars have you built? how many years have you been a mechanic? how many race organizations are you a member of?

I don't have to prove myself to anyone on here. I didn't think I had to post a resume for people to take me seriously. I think it's great someone got off their ass and put a b16 in their accord. That shows motivation and creativity. All I was saying that for the same money or just a tiny bit more, you could have a MUCH faster car and one that doesn't have to rev to high heaven to do it.

"If you are so knowledgeable about what is the best motor for accord, i would assume you have at least B series swaped."

Actually, no. Quite honestly, I think modding out the 3G accord is pretty dumb. My accord is my efficient daily driver. It hauls me and my family around getting 30 mpg and that's all i need it to do. I have my preludes, motorcycles, and RX7 for going fast. It kinda makes me laugh that you guys want to put all this time and money into a daily driven 3G accord. I mean, for $2000, you can buy a newer accord that makes just as much, if not more power, than a 3G with a b16 in it. Then, if you wanted to hop up your daily driver accord, the swaps would be bolt-in which all of you love so much.

Wow, you truly are a champion. A B18 over a B16. 10 hp, you are god now. Let's check your math. I bought a B16 for $1250. The cheapest GS-R was $3000. That's a little more than a few dollars. And I will tell you this, I will beat a Si.

No one here is closed minded. We just don't like people coming in here talking down ideas when we don't know what your credentials are.

[mouchyn]

the b18 in the prelude wasn't my car. i was paid to install the engine. i told that customer exactly what i said here, but he insisted on the b18b that he had lying around, so i put it in for him. Took me a week. I had the engine IN the engine bay in 2 days. I spent most of my time waiting on custom axles to be made at a local driveline shop.

it's also kinda bad that you guys think i'm "talking down" someone's work or idea. It's not like that at all. This is a community for free flow of information and ideas. I don't see why my points about the b16 being torqueless is so invalid. It's true. The engine has no balls. It revs to high heaven. That's how it makes its power. All I was trying to say is that you have a lot more potential and headroom with a larger displacement engine.

believe me, if i could get my hands on a really cheap b series motor and had the time, i'd swap it into my accord. If i was actually starting the project from start to finish and buying an engine, there's no way i'd choose a b series. I, personally, would go with something with a little more torque. Again, since you guys don't seem to grasp the concept of an opinion, this is just what I would do and what I would suggest to anyone that asked me.

[SteveDX89]

Do you realize that torque just gets the car moving? After that, it's all horsepower. How do you expect an engine with 111 lb. ft to run high 15's? A B16 has less torque than a B18A/B, yet is faster, explain that. You may be able to swap an H22 cheaply because of your background but most of us here are college students with little funds and experience. An H22 swap is out of most people's scope making the B swap a better choice.

[mouchyn]

if most people here are college students and use their accords for daily driving, then it seems like an engine with decent torque numbers is what you would want. All the stop and go driving found in a daily driven car means you're doing a lot of "getting the car moving." In my turbo prelude, there were times driving around town I would just leave the car in 2nd or 3rd gear. Granted I had a stage 2 exedy clutch setup, but the point is the car had enough torque to get me moving just fine in 2nd and 3rd gear.

the H22 is kinda expensive. Although, lately, I have seen the engine, tranny, ecu, and wiring harness sell on ebay for less than 2 grand. Hell, i've even seen a set sell for less than $1500. If you keep your eyes peeled or buy the parts one at a time from other car sites, you could build yourself a really nice 2.2L setup that has TONS of room to grow.

think about this: for the sake of conversation, we'll say the b16 swap costs $2000 start to finish and the H22 swap costs $3000 start to finish. Realistically, those numbers might be higher, but the difference in cost of doing the swap all on your own (without pre-fabbed mounts) should only be the price of the engine. The materials for installing the engine and stuff should be the same if you do all your own work -- which a lot of users here are capable of.

ok, now. after you install a stock b16 for 2 grand, you have a pretty decent setup. Certainly a lot faster than the stock 3G accord. Since we're gearheads, we're going to mod the b16 since there are so many parts available for it. I mean, that's one of the biggest reasons to put something like the b16 into an old car. Aftermarket parts are super easy to find and have been very well tested. If you spend $1000 on normal bolt on parts for that B16, I doubt you could get it up to the power level of a stock H22. I THINK it would take some pretty serious modding to make a b16 powered 3G keep up with a h22 powered accord with a stock h22.

the thing about that is the H22 is still stock. Sure you've already sunk 3 grand into it, but it's fast. The cool thing about it is there is still plenty of room to grow. You haven't even started with the bolts ons yet. So, whenever you get some extra cash, you're just going to keep pushing power up and up with minimal effort.

[SteveDX89]

The scary part is the fact not many people have done it. If you have a problem and get stuck, there's really no where to turn. I doubt a lot of users here could pull of an engine swap on their own. I thought I knew a lot about cars before but if I wouldn't have had help with mine, it probably never would have got done. Once you've done one, you're pretty set afterwards. It took me a day to pull my A20 but when I pulled my B16 afterwards, it only took 3 hours. Also, most of the people here don't have access to tools to make mounts, shift linkage, etc. so they have to turn to a shop who can decide they're ready to do some raping. The H22 is a large motor and is a tight squeeze. I'm sure some finessing of frame rails is required for belt clearance. Then you have the cable -> hydro clutch conversion and changing from shift rods to cables.

[mouchyn]

how much bigger is the b20b/z than the b16? i don't think the engines are physically all that different. that wouldn't be a bad swap, either. You could even use the b16 mounts and shift linkages since all b series mounts are the same (with the exception of the bastard b20/b21 in the 3G prelude).

[SteveDX89]

The B20B/Z is the same size as all the other B's. Well, actually, B18's and B20's have a slightly taller deck height. But that affect anything. The reasons for the larger displacement is the fact the cylinders are 84 mm instead of 81. The problem with that swap is the fact they are low compression motors and they have the weakest cylinder walls of all B's. Anything turbo or high compression needs sleeved. That's upwards of $600 right there.

[Rendon LX-i]

Damn, LOL Well That Catolog was "Place Racing" But i got a Friend well make me some Motor Mounts and Shift linkage and Axle Shafts for 300 Which is pretty dame good. Alot of peeps tell me like some of the Members here say U cant put a B16 in a 3geez well im going to do it One way or other for under 2grand. Maybe Cuz i got some connections but that doesnt me it can be done. I see other 3geezs with B series swaps then i can do it to. I like SteveDX89's car its something im trying to do. Thanks for your info. SteveDX89 how much was your Swap Total????????

[Legend_master]

Damn, LOL Well That Catolog was "Place Racing" But i got a Friend well make me some Motor Mounts and Shift linkage and Axle Shafts for 300 Which is pretty dame good. Alot of peeps tell me like some of the Members here say U cant put a B16 in a 3geez well im going to do it One way or other for under 2grand. Maybe Cuz i got some connections but that doesnt me it can be done. I see other 3geezs with B series swaps then i can do it to. I like SteveDX89's car its something im trying to do. Thanks for your info. SteveDX89 how much was your Swap Total????????


Little bit of an old thread bump, but can you really have custom axles made and if so can you have more than one set made? Let me know it is something that I am having trouble finding.

[3rd GEN]

like i've said t before..and others have said before..sure the b16 is a good dwap..but it's torqueless..i personally would stick with a b18 or better..more displacement and more torque..i did a b16 swap in my g2 teg, and even i can feel the lack or torque difference compaired to my b18..and not to mention..this is in a teg..which is much leighter then a 3g..so you will for sure notice some differences..hence this is why i say get b18 or higher. b16 is a high-end motor..that isn't known for it's low-end power. so unless you plan on driving your 3g at 100mph daily..then sure b16 is the way to go..if not..then i suggest a b18

[Legend_master]

like i've said t before..and others have said before..sure the b16 is a good dwap..but it's torqueless..i personally would stick with a b18 or better..more displacement and more torque..i did a b16 swap in my g2 teg, and even i can feel the lack or torque difference compaired to my b18..and not to mention..this is in a teg..which is much leighter then a 3g..so you will for sure notice some differences..hence this is why i say get b18 or higher. b16 is a high-end motor..that isn't known for it's low-end power. so unless you plan on driving your 3g at 100mph daily..then sure b16 is the way to go..if not..then i suggest a b18


Dude if your talking to me, I am putting an LS/Vtec into my car. I know about the b16 being a "TQless" motor, but is that really relivent to this thread. I am jsut trying to figure out what axle to use :dunno: .

[SteveDX89]

like i've said t before..and others have said before..sure the b16 is a good dwap..but it's torqueless..i personally would stick with a b18 or better..more displacement and more torque..i did a b16 swap in my g2 teg, and even i can feel the lack or torque difference compaired to my b18..and not to mention..this is in a teg..which is much leighter then a 3g..so you will for sure notice some differences..hence this is why i say get b18 or higher. b16 is a high-end motor..that isn't known for it's low-end power. so unless you plan on driving your 3g at 100mph daily..then sure b16 is the way to go..if not..then i suggest a b18

:blah: I've never even hit 100 mph with my B16. And it drives just fine.

[masterkillalw]

yea thats all I want to know is which axles to use...my B18A1 is getting ready to go back together and I wanna start getting parts asap so let me know...

[3rd GEN]

i wasn't talking about anyone in particular.. i was just making a general statement.. LS/VTEC is a good route to go..that will make some good numbers.

i've hit 100mph with my b16 many times..i hit my speed cut all the time..lol..
time to get my ecu chipped :cool:

[SteveDX89]

i wasn't talking about anyone in particular.. i was just making a general statement.. LS/VTEC is a good route to go..that will make some good numbers.

i've hit 100mph with my b16 many times..i hit my speed cut all the time..lol..
time to get my ecu chipped :cool:

LS/VTEC is a good route. You can never argue with more displacement. My point is just that the B16 has enough power down low to get you around. My car makes a nice Sunday driver, albeit extremely loud Sunday driver. :kekeke:

[3rd GEN]

true that..there is no replacement for displacement. just all depends what kind of route you plan to take...wether you want a daily driver with just a little more pep..or an all out race car..

[gfrg88]

sooo.... which axles can we use??

[3rd GEN]

i believe you have to use b-series axles..you have to get custom engine mounts though.

[Rendon LX-i]

Im bumping this thread cause i PULLED IT OFF LOL. took me years and experiance to get my skills i have now. b series swap was the best thing ive done to my accord. short geared. fast, and sexy. A20 was good but all this smaller vs bigger shit dont make sense lol when a b series pistons is bigger then a stock a20.

But like my pops told me. you can do what ever you set your mind to. NUFF SAID.

LOL had to bump this OLD ASS THREAD cause i saw and read all the comments. steve put a point down but also gave me motivation saying no one can do the swap.

[Civic Accord Honda]

search you noob! lmao

[Rendon LX-i]

LMFAO . I know right. I was cracking up looking all my noob post. I'm like really u dum ass LMFAO

[Civic Accord Honda]

i know the feeling hahaha "can someone photoshop a wing on my car?" was one of my first threads LMAO and i asked this same question pretty much except i didnt know engine codes so i was like "can i put a 2000 civic si motor in my car"

[Legend_master]

What a noob lol. I was still working on my first b-swap, and thread jacking you at the same time!

[Rendon LX-i]

LMFAO right

[SteveDX89]

Im bumping this thread cause i PULLED IT OFF LOL. took me years and experiance to get my skills i have now. b series swap was the best thing ive done to my accord. short geared. fast, and sexy. A20 was good but all this smaller vs bigger shit dont make sense lol when a b series pistons is bigger then a stock a20.

But like my pops told me. you can do what ever you set your mind to. NUFF SAID.

LOL had to bump this OLD ASS THREAD cause i saw and read all the comments. steve put a point down but also gave me motivation saying no one can do the swap.

Congrats man! You still went with the B16? Can we see some pics? I'm glad you're liking it. I miss mine.

[Rendon LX-i]

STEVE. sup man. no im fully build ls vtec i buildt. was a 1 1/2 project. my theard a to b series swap. has all the info plus pics. on youtube you put josh rendon or rendonlxi youll see the start up vid and wot vid.

hands down one of the best things ive done to my accord. i was always against it lol but when you drive one and experiance it no one can say nothing.

i remember looking at your setup an saying damn looks like a bitch to do it and at that time stuff was hard to come by. matter of fact it still is only thing that is bolt on is the mounts an thats not really a bolt on.

You still have your accord?

[SteveDX89]

STEVE. sup man. no im fully build ls vtec i buildt. was a 1 1/2 project. my theard a to b series swap. has all the info plus pics. on youtube you put josh rendon or rendonlxi youll see the start up vid and wot vid.

hands down one of the best things ive done to my accord. i was always against it lol but when you drive one and experiance it no one can say nothing.

i remember looking at your setup an saying damn looks like a bitch to do it and at that time stuff was hard to come by. matter of fact it still is only thing that is bolt on is the mounts an thats not really a bolt on.

You still have your accord?

I just went through your build thread. Very nice. I wish I would have taken the time to do a better job on mine like you did, but at the time it was my daily driver, so I had to get it up back up and running ASAP.

There really is nothing quite like it. Especially when VTEC opens up, just hold on!

I don't have mine anymore. I sold it a long time ago to another board member. I don't think he posts very much, so I don't know what the story is with it. I'm going to be picking up a project sometime in the future (couple years away). I've thought coming back to a 3G would be cool, but I am driving a Protege5 at the moment. I was thinking that dropping a rotary into it would be badass.

[stat1K]

lol after all this my head still hurts from these threads.

[Rendon LX-i]

LOL. right im like wow i was a true noob. talking like a dumbass. live and learn.

[Rendon LX-i]

I just went through your build thread. Very nice. I wish I would have taken the time to do a better job on mine like you did, but at the time it was my daily driver, so I had to get it up back up and running ASAP.

There really is nothing quite like it. Especially when VTEC opens up, just hold on!

I don't have mine anymore. I sold it a long time ago to another board member. I don't think he posts very much, so I don't know what the story is with it. I'm going to be picking up a project sometime in the future (couple years away). I've thought coming back to a 3G would be cool, but I am driving a Protege5 at the moment. I was thinking that dropping a rotary into it would be badass.

That blows that its out of your hands. but atleast the other member has it.

13b would be epic. DO IT lol. should start a build theard in here. i mean even thou its not a 3g. just to get the fellow members back and get this forum fired up again. been pretty upsetting lately lol.

[MessyHonda]

nice to see old school member like steve(i wanted to buy his car but it was too far) so i ended up buying openloops white coupe.

[Lordemel]

This is dope I was still in middle school getn at bitches when these threads were being posted :deal: