H22A SWAP done by April! 05

[lilhonda17]

Here I WILL be doing an H22A Swap, i have already dropped a b16a3 engine in my 3g accord with hydro tranny. it's been three years since i have done this and now it's ready for a H22A Engine, right now i am rebuilding the bottom end of the block for high compression all motor buildup and the b16 is going in my 91 crx si. i'll keep u posted.

[Oldblueaccord]

Here I WILL be doing an H22A Swap, i have already dropped a b16a3 engine in my 3g accord with hydro tranny. it's been three years since i have done this and now it's ready for a H22A Engine, right now i am rebuilding the bottom end of the block for high compression all motor buildup and the b16 is going in my 91 crx si. i'll keep u posted.


Shhhhhhh


dont tell these guys they ll die lol

good luck and enjoy it

I wanted to be first.

wp

[BlueBead]

Damn..... someone with swap experience!
I nominate you as the new non-B20 swap info guy......lol; and I'm only half joking.
What are you using for mounts??? Custom?

[shepherd79]

hmmm, with hydro tranny, how did you connect it to the clutch pedal? did you had to get converter?

[Neuspeed87lx]

pics?

[RobT5580]

My personal experiences with the H22 would turn me to a GSR or type R. They are nice engines and make great power but they are big and have a ton of crap on them. If i didnt know 2 close friends with them and the problems they come with i would say great. And i hear the trannies are not that great for abuse either. B-series have all the aftermarket support you can ever want and still growing even with the k-series boom.

But if you do it successfully the more power to you. We have had a hand full of people claim to be in the middle of it and never finish. So far i have seen pictures of one done in the past. If the PRI mounts were still available for the 3rd gen prelude i would think you could re-work them to fit the accord chassis.

[lilhonda17]

pics here http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/791534/1

[NXRacer]

i'll believe an H22 swap when i see it. Not to be an ass, but there's a difference between planning on it and actually going through with it. You should search for threads about H22 swaps. There's a thread where a guy was talking about everything that was making the swap difficult.

good luck.

[thegreatdane]

Good luck my friend. looking forward to seeing some results.

[smufguy]

i was gonna flame you after looking at your cardomain pic to tell u that its not a H22 obviously, but reading ur post again made me realize how much of ass i would made outta myself if i did do it. Anyway, Yeah do the swap first, then start a thread. not be an ass, but u are the third thread in a year that has popped up with the starting intro of "im putting a H22 in my accord" kinda deal. Last two died and one just gave up in anger, but u, well we will have to see two months and pics of progress will convince us to shut up and be nice to you. :)

oh here is ur B16
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/11/web/791000-791999/791534_1_full.jpg

[NXRacer]

holy crap, i just saw your plates lilhonda. where in oregon are you?

[lilhonda17]

i have read all the threads.... this is something i really want to do and show for u guys, hopefully i can make it easy as possible so others can do it. i'll show u it can be done without spending 4,000 including 2,000 for complete engine

[88accordhb]

damn good luck with it man, b16 accord is sick as is.

[AccordEpicenter]

looks like we are gonna have a turbo 3g vs hybrid 3g war. The timeslips and cost will be the factors...

[lilhonda17]

My B16 swap cost me $1000 and $900 of it was for the engine

[smufguy]

looks like we are gonna have a turbo 3g vs hybrid 3g war. The timeslips and cost will be the factors...

u know we will be owning them. hehehehe

[NXRacer]

boost ownz all else. nobody has a chance. lol.


where in oregon are you lilhonda??

[AccordEpicenter]

well we will see... ive never seen an H22 powered 3g accord before (gives the benefit of the doubt). Usually the N/A setups are more costly

[Lok]

Good Luck man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RobT5580]

well we will see... ive never seen an H22 powered 3g accord before (gives the benefit of the doubt). Usually the N/A setups are more costly
You never saw that white one from canada? I have a picture still of it and i think he posted on the board a few times.


Good Luck, For your B16 swap you did it right with the harness and all which was a good thing because the Place Racing one was not cheap nor always set up right.

[AccordEpicenter]

You never saw that white one from canada? I have a picture still of it and i think he posted on the board a few times.

nope i havent rob... there is another one? :uh:

[RobT5580]

The one i saw was the only one that was running that im aware of. I will dig up the picture(s) later. He actually did a nice job with it and had the engine bay painted and stuff. Now that i think of it it was probably a while ago because i recall talking to Justin about it.

[SteveDX89]

http://pages.videotron.com/omus/otheracc/misc/vtec3rdgen.jpg

[AccordEpicenter]

whos car is that?

[RobT5580]

Thanks steve thats the one i was talking about. It was some guy from canada and im thinking it was a hatch if im not mistaken.

[lilhonda17]

holy crap, i just saw your plates lilhonda. where in oregon are you?

I live In Eugene

[bullard123]

Good luck man let us know how much HP you'll be running if you are sucessful.

[SQ is the SQUAD]

hey, when you pull your motor will you sell me you mounts and axils
im me or call 617-593-1570 or nextel direct connect 180*11*53733

[SQ is the SQUAD]

if its anyhelp check out honda-tech.com, someone on there created an adpter plate that will allow you to use a bseries tranny with the h22, i think it was only loke $80 or so so that way you can use a 90-93 b series cable tranny

[ICEMAN707]

http://pages.videotron.com/omus/otheracc/misc/vtec3rdgen.jpg

looks to me all he did was reweld new mounting points on the chassis and used stock h22a mounts. i'm curious to see what he did about axles, wiring, and shift linkage. the bad part is that there is no room in the belts for accessories like power steering and a/c. on the other hand, looks like alot of room for turbo up front. an h22a turbo would be nice.

[lilhonda17]

hey, when you pull your motor will you sell me you mounts and axils
im me or call 617-593-1570 or nextel direct connect 180*11*53733

i am putting the motor in my si crx and as for the h22 tranny adapter plate, no use my car has a hydro clutch. as for the axels i'll probably keep them incase i ever want to put the b16 back in plus the axels i believe are different than the cable tranny. but if i ever deside to!

[SQ is the SQUAD]

so if your putting the motor in your crx wouldent you use crx searies mounts and not the same ones in your accord?

[lilhonda17]

correcto but.. my mounts are custom and they will also be used for the h22, i just have to move the rear one over an inch and a half

[Justin86]

damn man you need to go to one of our next meets or I might just have to drive up there, gotta see it in action.

[SQ is the SQUAD]

geez, i dont get no love

[lilhonda17]

damn man you need to go to one of our next meets or I might just have to drive up there, gotta see it in action.

yea u should come down here or or maybe i'll go up there or somthin

[lilhonda17]

i just raced an INTEGRA Type R Tonight and i beat him by a car length. pretty nice for a b16 accord with slight mods.

[lilhonda17]

oh i can't wait to get the h22 in.... i'm looking for a f22 to fit in the accord for engine mount placement while the h22 bottom end is being built so i should get one here by the first week of march, which will be when i rip out the b16 and start taking pictures of the f22/h22 swap.

[SteveDX89]

i just raced an INTEGRA Type R Tonight and i beat him by a car length. pretty nice for a b16 accord with slight mods.

Something is off with that. I can't beat a GS-R with more mods than you. It had a few mods too. Granted it was only a car length or 2 but I'm also in a coupe. Or else mine just sucks. :sad2:

[lilhonda17]

wow i have never been beat by a GS-R. are your cams tuned? they hp gain i noticed came from my cams and my valves. stock cams

[lilhonda17]

i've heard that coupes weigh more, there is suppose to be a heavier support beam between the driver and the back seat. bu i dunno. my car weighs 2400 with me out of it and 2500 with me in it.

[SteveDX89]

Well, damn you're a bony bitch. :D Mine weighs about the same as yours but I weigh 180. My engine is not tuned at all. Burns oil and runs rich. :sad2: Still pulls better than an A20.

[lilhonda17]

lol yea a buck 20. get ur shit tuned and you will pull so much harder, I PROMISE!

[lilhonda17]

I just raced a 240SX with a SR20 Motor in it and it was turboed @ 6psi. It was hella fun. we took off i burned out for like i swear it felt like forever i kept letting off the gas and pressing on it again, but when i finally caught traction he was a car length ahead and that's where he stayed, we raced back and he let me get a car length ahead and that is where i stayed till the very end heulled hard and passed. so yep i got smoked fuckin wit a 240sx sr20 powered by turbo

[SQ is the SQUAD]

do you have your aim on? aim me

[NXRacer]

whats the story with the H22 swap?

[my86dx4dr]

oh i can't wait to get the h22 in.... i'm looking for a f22 to fit in the accord for engine mount placement while the h22 bottom end is being built so i should get one here by the first week of march, which will be when i rip out the b16 and start taking pictures of the f22/h22 swap.
I have an f22a block you can use, im in the portland area, come get it for free. as long as you drive up in that b16 powered 3g :idea:


the block is gutted, so it weighs like nuthing, i have all the insides but its already taken apart so it would be easyer to manauver(sp?) :deal:

[lilhonda17]

yea im interested... give me ur number i'll call u this week i work monday tuesday, my buddy needs to go up there so let me know when u are free.

[my86dx4dr]

yea im interested... give me ur number i'll call u this week i work monday tuesday, my buddy needs to go up there so let me know when u are free.
Sometime today this Hombre should be here :dunno: He got kinda lost on his way ahaha, headed towerds hood river, now he hasnt called in 2 hours!


:uh: I thought i was good at explaining directions :kekeke:

[hondamanlxi]

damn, this is the best thread in a while! im really interested in the axle situation...

[pendejo]

Any progress yet lilhonda?

[acco-R-d]

man... i want to do a h22 swap

[SQ is the SQUAD]

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[acco-R-d]

DUDE!!! what is ur problem!! cant us 3g'ers just get along?!?!

[lilhonda17]

not yet i'm getting tags and registration for my crx before i pull the motor.

[gfrg88]

any updates on the swap ??

[myaccord7]

that white accord with the h22 the engine looks sideways

[SQ is the SQUAD]

ummmm, times up dude

[my86dx4dr]

I think he'l get it done. The guy has skills.

Cant wait to see the thang completely done!

[88accordhb]

i second that scott. pull this one off for all us poor guys dude. good luck.

[Vanilla Sky]

i believe he gave up...

if i had the money, i'd probably do this...

[ropponmatsu]

haha ill finish the h22 swap before you will, ill be done in like 2 (1/2) weeks :rofl:

[Busted_Blue]

i believe he gave up...

if i had the money, i'd probably do this...


I would have another car =)

[Vanilla Sky]

man, you better have 10 experts working on it if you plan on that

[DeViOuS]

Uhmmm You got 10 days left:)

[Vinny]

Thread cleaned and reopened

[SteveDX89]

Thread cleaned and reopened

Hehe. I saw what you originally posted in my e-mail notification. Good call. :mod:

[smufguy]

lilhonda17, april is done pretty much man. I pity the reason you attempted it. You are a living proof that its all talk these days. Waste of people's time i say. tsk tsk tsk.

[my86dx4dr]

lilhonda17, april is done pretty much man. I pity the reason you attempted it. You are a living proof that its all talk these days. Waste of people's time i say. tsk tsk tsk.
How can you say that, I believe im the only one here that has seen the b16 accord he has, Reminder, He did it with ALMOST ZERO parts from PRI.
on top of using STOCK mounts, Just did minor custom work.

Nobody else besides OSS has even tryed to attempt that. So.. just sit back, He has yet to come on and say he failed or it worked. he could come back in july and have a k24 and say the h22 just wasnt enough! and still show pics!

[NXRacer]

K24's are over hyped and overrated. Plus its a HUGE waste of time and money to put in anything less then a brand new honda. Just bragging rights IMO. and lame ones at that.

im not gonna hold my breath for H22 pictures to show up though.

[Vanilla Sky]

hell, to be honest, the only reason i would put an h in a 3gee would be because i had the parts car sitting and the 3gee sitting, just to give me something to do while between projects... of course i don't see a motor swap as a big deal (to be honest, even this swap can probably be done by someone with experience and the tools in a couple weeks)... it's jus tthat most 3geezers don't have the funds to do this swap... i agree with most of you guys, though... it just won't get done around here...

[racerx]

tick tock, tick tock
2 days to go, and no word from this supposed pioneer.... i wonder why? lol

if he pulls through, though, he'd better be accord of the month for like 3 months in a row. of course, heh heh, what are the odds....

[FyreDaug]

if he pulls through, though, he'd better be accord of the month for like 3 months in a row. of course, heh heh, what are the odds....

Word up dawg!!

[Lok]

Yes, also one other Accord 3G is ready for H22A swap?:

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/712674

We'll hope that everybody finish his swap, so we have some informations about
what parts-work required for this swap........allthough I personally think that jdm B18C is a much easier swap with the same potential ( as regards 1/4 mile times)...

[lilhonda17]

yes well my swap is done just waiting for axels... pics will be available soon i hafta get my camera back from my brother... and i had to use the accord tranny for right now the h22 tranny i had was blown so i am now lookin for 93-96 prelude h22 tranny.

[Cheeseburger]

cool, get pics as fast as you can bro

[smufguy]

so its not a complete swap? sorry, someone has to be a pesimist. But i am really interested in seeing the quality of the finished product rather than the accomplishment. It will be a great feat, if u can drive your car with the H22 for atleast 1000miles without anything breaking apart.

[ICEMAN707]

for all the trouble and headache to put into putting an h22 in a 3gee you can find a good 4th gen with a bad motor but in excellent shape for about $400 then drop that h22 in it. much wiser financial decision i would say.

[mouchyn]

for all the trouble and headache to put into putting an h22 in a 3gee you can find a good 4th gen with a bad motor but in excellent shape for about $400 then drop that h22 in it. much wiser financial decision i would say.

every time i bring up a point like this, i get flamed and made to look stupid for suggesting such a thing. apparently, i under estimated the love of the 3G around here...

it would really only seem like a good decision financially if i got the engine for free and did all the welding myself.

Then again, if an H22 fell into my lap, i sure as hell wouldn't put it in an accord. :)

[ICEMAN707]

Then again, if an H22 fell into my lap, i sure as hell wouldn't put it in an accord. :)

put it in an 1100 lb. 1974 VW super beetle. hell yea! :rockon:

http://i15.ebayimg.com/03/i/03/f0/cc/ee_12_sb.JPG

[lilhonda17]

the axels i was using were cut to size and welded for placement. I drove the car for two weeks, but stopped because the axels made alot of vibration. They were not balanced. the custom axels are from The driveshaftshop and they are gonna run $600 - $800 depending on what stage i get. i am trying to find a cheaper place as well as trying to mix match hubs and other axels. although i hafta make sure i mix match to handle over 200hp. so it's completed and being perfected. PICS WILL BE UP SOON

[shepherd79]

you can try the searching for companies on goodle. Search for custom axles.

[racerx]

noobs that come on a board and make big claims like H22 swaps remind me of people who lie on the first date... "So what do you do?" "Oh, nothing special. I'm just an investment banker for a multi-billion dollar firm. *yawn* "

As least this other guy is keeping us updated.

[ICEMAN707]

wow, $800 on axles alone. they better be bullet proof. for all that time and money you can build/bore out the a20 to 2.2L and turbo it and make hell of alot more power than the h22. port and polish the head with a mild cam to make it flow better than a DOHC head and you're in business.

[shepherd79]

wow, $800 on axles alone. they better be bullet proof. for all that time and money you can build/bore out the a20 to 2.2L and turbo it and make hell of alot more power than the h22. port and polish the head with a mild cam to make it flow better than a DOHC head and you're in business.

you can't bore out A20 to 2.2L. there aren't much to take out. plus even if you succed in borring out your cylinder wall will be too thin to handle big boost.
you better off, leving like it is and upgrade the pistons and rods.

[racerx]

yeah. and there ain't no way an A20 3-valve head is going to flow better than a 4-valve DOHC head. especially if you compare mod-to-mod. he'll probably want to P&P and 3-angle the H22 head sometime too. it's all about potential.

Also, although the Type-R motor has almost the same power, where's the torque? The H22 will provide what a 3000 pound accord needs to get moving.

[smufguy]

u can stroke a A20 upto 2.4L but thats a long long long stroke. Longer than the one we already have. So i dont know why someone would do that. But I know Sean was workin on it. Stroking would obviously require a diffrent crank and rods and hence will bump up the compression.

[mouchyn]

hence will bump up the compression.

that's and understatement. sheesh. i didn't even know there was enough clearance in these engines to stroke to a 2.4L. that means the pistons damn near crash inside the head. That combined with the increased .1L of gas in each pistion raises the compression ratio DRASTICALLY.

that'll be one torque monster engine if it runs without detonating. The tuning there would be as sensitive as most turbo setups.

[SteveDX89]

yeah. and there ain't no way an A20 3-valve head is going to flow better than a 4-valve DOHC head. especially if you compare mod-to-mod. he'll probably want to P&P and 3-angle the H22 head sometime too. it's all about potential.

Also, although the Type-R motor has almost the same power, where's the torque? The H22 will provide what a 3000 pound accord needs to get moving.

Our Accords don't weigh 3000 lbs. The heaviest is 2767 lb and that's an auto SE-i sedan. An Integra Type R weighs 2639 lb. Dropping a B motor will lighten the car as well since an aluminum block is lighter than an iron block.

[racerx]

weird... i wonder what the deal with my car is. i rolled it onto a scale, and it read 2950. i don't have any subs... oh. my fat ass. right. :D

I'd still much rather have an H22. people are just jones'n over the B-series motors cuz everyone and their mom has one in their civic, or at least wants one.

Hmmm 130 ft-lbs, or 156? I think I'll take an H22, thank you. Of course, you can always opt for the H23A (225hp vtec)

(besides, the 4th gen vtec prelude was .3 seconds faster 0-60 and .2 seconds faster 1/4 mile too. 2932 pounds! with the 195hp version!)

Yeah. H22. torque goes a long way.

[SteveDX89]

weird... i wonder what the deal with my car is. i rolled it onto a scale, and it read 2950. i don't have any subs... oh. my fat ass. right. :D

I'd still much rather have an H22. people are just jones'n over the B-series motors cuz everyone and their mom has one in their civic, or at least wants one.

Hmmm 130 ft-lbs, or 156? I think I'll take an H22, thank you. Of course, you can always opt for the H23A (225hp vtec)

(besides, the 4th gen vtec prelude was .3 seconds faster 0-60 and .2 seconds faster 1/4 mile too. 2932 pounds! with the 195hp version!)

Yeah. H22. torque goes a long way.

Just so you know, I raced an H22 Civic on friday night. I fared quite well. It was very surprising.

[racerx]

auto? manual? tired motor? bad driver? are you sure we was actually racing you?
:D
Seriously, though, that's pretty good, I guess... but it all depends on the above conditions. What's your quarter mile? I'd like to see his.

[SteveDX89]

auto? manual? tired motor? bad driver? are you sure we was actually racing you?
:D
Seriously, though, that's pretty good, I guess... but it all depends on the above conditions. What's your quarter mile? I'd like to see his.

His was 5 speed and he's a good driver. I know the guy so we were having some fun racing each other. It was from a roll, not dead start and he had about half - 3/4 fender length on me after 1 city block. He started in 2nd and I was in first. And he had 3 people in the car, I had 2. That will skew the results a bit but I was still surprised that my doors weren't blown off. I don't have any time slips. Hopefully at the end of June.

[smufguy]

well its a given and known fact that in the honda motor family the B16/18 has an upper hand when it comes to motor tuning. fastest road corse civic uses B1 series motor. a B16 head flows amazingly better than a H series head. The stroke to rod length ratio is almost perfect helping it rev as much as it wants.
Motor: (Bore X Stroke)

b16: 81.0 x 77.4
F20 (S200): 86.87 X 83.82
H22: 87.0 x 90.7

you can see from the above, why a B can rev much higher than a F20C and why the H22 lags behind. longer the stroke, the greater the rotational intertia becomes and it pretty much limits the rev point due to harmonics of the crank.

[Lok]

Yes, you are right about Bore/stroke ratio, but is also Rode/stroke ratio.
Then F20C is the best engine for high-rev because of 1.85 rode/stroke ratio.....................after B16A 1.74 and last H22A is 1.58.
I don't think that is a problem for Steve to race one H22A EG Civic ( or better Ek Civic).
Steve's current set-up must be at 170-175 crank hp.
If the Civic with the H22A is rated at 190-200hp and the weight of two cars is similar,
then the above result ( described by Steve) is Ok.
In one race , torque doesn't make much difference, but is the real horsepower at the wheels that make the difference, and the overall combination tire type-condition, suspension set-up, gear ratios- driver's experience-etc.......
For these, I believe that the best engine for Accord 3G N/A set-up is B16A-B18C and after the older B20A-A20A1-A3...
H22A is much more difficult and expensive to put it in, and I don't think is better choice from one B VTEC or B20A fully tuned, as regards the 0-1/4 mile times, the acceleration from the rest and the max speed.
H22A has much more torque than one B16A, but this is good only for 40-60mph,
or 40-100mph etc times with different gears.

[racerx]

In one race , torque doesn't make much difference, but is the real horsepower at the wheels that make the difference
...
H22A has much more torque than one B16A, but this is good only for 40-60mph,
or 40-100mph etc times with different gears.

... :squint: alright, i'm just gonna be patient with you and explain things correctly.

People can go on all day saying "Torque is more important!" (muscle car/american car guys) or "It's all about high revs and horsepower!" (import/euro guys).

The truth is: THEY'RE BOTH IMPORTANT

And this is why. Torque is a force applied at a distance. That's all it is. It's the measurement of how well you can overcome an object's inertia. The longer the pole, the greater the torque.

I can't remember who said it, but a famous phrase goes something like:
"Give me a rod long enough and I can move the world."

It's true. This is all torque is.

I want you to think of torque as the rear gear on your bicycle. If the chain is on the largest gear, you have lots of torque. The FORCE of your legs has not changed, but the distance at which you are applying it has.
This is why high-torque motors can jump off the line (and burn rubber) LOADS better than high revving, low torque motors.

If you put your bike chain on the smallest gear, your torque is much smaller. The same force is applied, but since you have a much smaller gear, it takes you longer to get going. HOWEVER, when you DO get going, you can get that tire moving!!

THIS is why old muscle cars can burn rubber all day, but feel like they're weak and old at redline. The actual horsepower of most STOCK muscle cars is pretty low for their torque rating. They just extended the stroke to allow the car to actually move.


Here's where it all comes together:
The more HORSEPOWER you have, the better you are able to apply torque. If an H22A engine produces 200 (or 220, for the type-s) horsepower, and you extend that stroke to better apply that added force, you're going to jump off the line like crazy.
The reason the B16's stroke is so much shorter is that it will benefit better in the long run from a shorter stroke. This engine will be able to breath more at higher RPMs and produce buttloads more power. If it had a longer stroke, like the H22, it would get much better launches, but it would top out at around 120 horsepower.

This is because, as mentioned above, the longer the stroke of the engine, the lower the redline will have to be because of the harmonic frequency of the engine.

When your wheels are off balance, you get up to about 55 or 65 mph and they're really starting to shake, right? Then, if you keep going faster, they start to smooth out again. It just so happens to be that at 55 or 65 mph, the weight shift of your wheel has reached its harmonic frequency.
(I'd go into more detail about this, but this is all classical mechanics stuff).

Basically, your engine acts like a spring, or Harmonic Oscillator. You never want your engine getting to that harmonic frequency when it will produce the most turbulence. You might think, "but can't I just push through it, like with the wheels?" No.
The turbulence within a precisely designed machine will cause it to break or bend somewhere. The engine is turning 7500+ RPMs, which is 125 times per SECOND! Your wheels are not turning near that fast.

So, this is why both are important, and how you can apply them to estimate what your acceleration times will be.

Torque is more important in the launch. Horsepower is more important once you get going. Both are always important, but they have separate rolls.

This is why my 91 Lude (B20A) launches way ahead of my friend's B16 del sol, but he owns me in the long run.

[Civvy]

My opinion is~~ In my experience, I get better cost v's hp by doing an engine swap. Also I want my car to act like a smooth, quiet road car from time to time (i.e. VTEC) In otherwords the same as Honda's idea.
Furthermore, lots of people are unfair with comparing a stock H22 to a modified Accord. How about comparing perhaps boosted H22 to boosted A20????
I'm planning to do a H22 swap. (as long as it'l fit under the hood)

[racerx]

I say, if it'll fit, and if it costs a similar amount to swap, H22A is the way to go. Anyone who says otherwise is 2F2F-brainwashed and probably civic happy. :D

And that's what I was talking about, Civvy. You can't say "Yeah, just port out your A20 head, build it, boost it, and it'll smoke any STOCK prelude out there..."
Oh... but it would cost you the same amount, and now you have 3 miles/gallon, the car is barely street-worthy for day-to-day driving, and it's topped out. No more room to go faster.

I'd rather have a streetable H22 with way, way more room for growth and potential. In fact, I bought a 3rd gen Lude so that I can someday find an H23A and drop that baby in it. For now I'll just finish school and stick with my B20A...

[Civvy]

TBH it was quite nice (when i did my B20 swap) installing an untouched (unmodified) engine for the peace of mind that all the components work well together and i'm not having to worry about when i'm next going to blow my next "whatever" because my engine was so highly modified and proberbly unreliable in honda's opinion!

Not that i would find it easy to keep my hands off the H22 like LOL

[SteveDX89]

You all make good points but it comes down to the cost factor. There are more variables to go wrong in an H22 swap and than a B swap. You can get the same performace from both. The H series has aftermarket parts and potential but B's have more. I would rather have a B20/VTEC than an H22.

BTW, Lok, "perfect" rod/stroke ratio is 1.75:1. You were correct about the B16 being 1.74:1. However, this makes the B16 the best for high revs.

[Oldblueaccord]

Just so you know, I raced an H22 Civic on friday night. I fared quite well. It was very surprising.

Anyway this could be kinda kept on topic. There a few of us who are watching this progress closely.


wp

[Civvy]

I wouldnt be doing it for the high revs. Torque is what i'm interested in. Keep your B16, they where made for lighter cars. and remember not everyone wants an all out race car on this board.

[SteveDX89]

I realize that and my car isn't an all out race car either. It's never even seen a track. The point I'm trying to make is that the H22 is not the awesome god of the Honda engine world. If a little tiny B16 can hold it's own against an H22, that's not something to overlook and ignore.

[lilhonda17]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveDX89
Just so you know, I raced an H22 Civic on friday night. I fared quite well. It was very surprising.



that dosen't make since. now if the civic was a prelude i understand. something has to be wrong with that h22 other than the 3 people 2 people weigh out. i have had alot of buddies pay money for their swaps and be slow afterwords.... only to find out the timing was off. my buddies crx had a jdm b16 swap i pulled him with my accord with the b16 until we checked his timing. his 1/4 mile time went from a 15.0 to a 13.7

[NXRacer]

the CRVTEC (B20/VTEC) build is a pretty stout swap. Its got more torque then most B motors which is good for the heavier cars (read 3G) lol.

i havent been keeping track of this thread much, but with all the money you guys would throw into these dream VTEC swaps, why dont you dump that money into a turbo setup and still have money left over???

[shepherd79]

ok, you guys need to stop this. I am tired of reading the stuff that doesn't not belong here.

[SteveDX89]

I agree to disagree. I give props to the H22 attempts. It's just not something I would do.

[racerx]

I can agree with that too. To each his own. my apologies.

[Civvy]

Yep, thats what usually happens on this board!

[gfrg88]

did this guy give up?:sad2:

[TheWatcher]

Here I WILL be doing an H22A Swap, i have already dropped a b16a3 engine in my 3g accord with hydro tranny. it's been three years since i have done this and now it's ready for a H22A Engine, right now i am rebuilding the bottom end of the block for high compression all motor buildup and the b16 is going in my 91 crx si. i'll keep u posted.
Another tard bites the dust ... :Owned2:

Peace.

[88Accord-DX]

:stupid: J/k with ya Watcher.

roses really smell like boo hoo hooo

[blahblahblah]

let this die!!!...I saw the topic and got my hopes up again

[B16KILLA]

:lock::beat: :lock: :beat:

[Cheeseburger]

let this die!!!...I saw the topic and got my hopes up again



lmao!!!http://board.accordtuner.com/images/smilies/rcain.gif

[88Accord-DX]

I worked on a F23A in a 5th Generation Accord today. Don't get this thread locked up fools.