what about this race?

[adams86lxi]

Well i have this punk kid that keeps talking shit about my car or something behind my back and i dont even know him. He has a 85 cammaro stock, Auto, 305ci, 215hp i think. He thinks it runs 14s or some shit but i doubt that. Anyway, he is one of those guys that thinks a import will never beat a domestic so i want to show him whats up in the next few days. You guys think i could take this fool easily or what?

Are these things fast? What do they run usually and how much do they weigh???

BTW: here is his cardomain

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/702433/1

[AccordNut]

i remember watching the speed channel and they did a documentary on some mid 80's camaro and it ran a high 15 something in the 1/4 and that was back in the day when the car was new. I think with that modded b20 you could give him a nice run maybe even make him eat his own words

[danronian]

Unless that has a highstall converter and different rear gears I really doubt it runs low 14s. 80s Camaros are notorious for being really slow stock, ususally high 15s, maybe mid 15s if the engine runs decently for being so old without a rebuild.

[danronian]

But I am pretty sure they have a speed limiter around 100-120, so just get above there and he's gone, unless he has a chip or the ECU modded.

[RobT5580]

I remember back in high school my friend got spanked by a 92 Accord and i was in the car to witness it.

[AccordEpicenter]

yeah they are slow as fuck, unless he has MAJOR mods (im talking different heads, gears, intake, headers/exhaust etc) hes gonna be slow especially if its auto and hes a bad driver

[adams86lxi]

Alright cool. Im dead confident i can beat him then. I want to film it too so you guys can see it then too.

[3gn86lxi]

Why waste your time Adam?? Kids still gonna talk shit even after you spank him. Make him put up the title to his car, then you'll race him.
I don't think you will have any problem taking a camero though. :rockon:

[Strugglebucket]

is it an rs or a z28/iroc?

*edit* nevermind. forgot they didn't have an rs in that year. so yeah, 215hp when it was new, plus he weighs about 3500lbs. might be close though.

[jonrichert]

don't race him, he's 16 years old... he'd probably crash into you and wreck your car.

[Elijah]

305s are junk I think you will destroy him. You could probily hang with some 350's older ones from the 80's anyways.

[my86dx4dr]

might as well start out in second gear....

[Strugglebucket]

305s are junk I think you will destroy him. You could probily hang with some 350's older ones from the 80's anyways.
yes they are junk but junk can be fast when it has a buttload of torque.

[SQ is the SQUAD]

uuum, i wouldent say 305's are junk cuz on the up and up no a or b seires can produce the same power. i am about to drop a caprice 305 in to my s15 pickup. alot of 305 turn out to really be stroker 350. dont do anything stupid

[my86dx4dr]

OK, yes a 305 has power, But that car easyly weighs enough to make up for the margen, at 215hp in a big steel car that is RWD and automatic, you might as well race a ford van,

[Elijah]

I think of chevy and power i think stroker 455 350. My friend has got a s10 with a 350 its kinda quick. My brother inlaw is building a 500hp 455. I still think there is no piont to a 305v8. I know they make more tourqe then 4 cylinders but for a v8 they are tourqless and go in manly heavy ass cars.

[SQ is the SQUAD]

i am not going to arguee any point, i am just saying 305 has pleanty enought power and aftermarket suport= 305>any import motor

[accordlxi2.0]

lol...man if a 92 accord beat a 215 camaro....then it'll be a breeze.
lus you have a b20! dude and all of those mods......
how dare ya homey.

[MIK3]

I'll be honest, I think it's going to be a very close race. You might just have enough to pull this one off though. Report back to us ASAP man, I wanna hear this one. And good luck!

[leia]

After looking at that car, all I can say is EWEE!
I'm definetly not a Camaro fan, but that is extra blech. Even the interior looks dirty and white trash :)

Beat the moron............seriously automatic? Ick

[SQ is the SQUAD]

i am also more that sure it can be done, especially if some 16 y/0 punk is driving. just dont under estimate the car

i wish i still had my beretta gtz, that thing would kill these b20's
it had the 2.3 quad 4 high output, that fukker moved and was tourquy

[cubert]

the 305 isnt a bad motor...my friend had one with an intake and heads and it was quick...or so he said. I say just race and see what happens

[BITESIZE]

I posted a comment on his cardomain site....lmao!

[adams86lxi]

I posted a comment on his cardomain site....lmao!


lol, awesome bitesize! Ill try to talk to him tommrow and see what he says. Im not going to under estimate it but im pretty confident in beating it. Last time i heard from him since i dont really know him to well, i just know him threw one of my friends he was trying to set it up with some one else to race his car for him. I said hell no, your the one talking shit so you got to be the one driving your own damn car.

[adams86lxi]

This is what he told me on cardomain. LMAO!!!!

hey im pretty cofident i will beat you/how much horse and torque you got right now,but if you beat me i dont care because i aint got shit in my car besides high performance sparkplug wires and i think an upgraded chip,but if i beat you i will laugh my ass,later


what a dumbass!

[Strugglebucket]

let us know what happens.

it always makes me proud when someone running n/a beats a car with more than twice the displacement.

[adams86lxi]

dont worry ill let you guys know what happens. He told me if he loses then its because he aint got shit done to it. But i told him " i think 4 extra cylinders on me would count as a advantage". lol


BTW: i talked to a older muscle car guy today about those 305 mid 80s cammros and he says they are weak and slow as shit.

[smufguy]

140.4#102, 5.69s and weighing at 2415lbs with 215hp. hmmmmm even the stock 302 Iroc was only 170hp with 255ftlbs i believe. But anyway, when did a camaro weigh at 2415lbs???

[snow_man_20]

just speeking about MY old camaro. I had a 87 with the 305, perfect compresion and rebilt top end, new quadra-puke, exhaust (full duel), sport suspention, 5spd and all stock motor wise. Anyway i smoked the shit out of ALOT of hondas, it's wasn't really a fair race for them. As for top speed I took it up to 130-140 (the quadra-puke coudn't put any more gas in it) a couple of times with stock ecu on the high way, (all the way around on the speedo and back to 25 again)

It was heavy but it was fast, cruzed quite nicely at 100mph. 0-60 time on a comaro isn't really good but 25 to 80 is amazing

All i'm saying is thay CAN be fast even stock but he does have an auto :thumbup:

And I'm not saying you should race him or not race him, but if you do, don't be stupid about it, and don't loose, or you will never hear the end of it.

good luck :sad2:

[adams86lxi]

305>any import motor
I dont agree with that at all. And im sure others will agree with me.


i wish i still had my beretta gtz, that thing would kill these b20's
it had the 2.3 quad 4 high output, that fukker moved and was tourquy

Yea, and i doubt that too. A stock b20 would own a stock beretta gtz.

[acco-R-d]

well, those camaros have great potential power. though they are very heavy. the camaro will probably win a drag race but a honda could when if there are turns or curves

[SQ is the SQUAD]

aftermarket suport= 305>any import motor
get it right (aftermarket support)

my gtz would kill a b20, hands down

[my86dx4dr]

get it right (aftermarket support)

my gtz would kill a b20, hands down
So your saying the 305 has better after market then any import motor correct?



Supra motor (tt)
Rx7 3rd gen motor (tt)
And b series motor has as good if not better aftermarket support then any chevy motor INCLUDING the small block 350ci

Im not callin you out or anythang, But do the research on the aftermarket and you would see, theres literatly THOUSANDS of dollers you can put into a B series...

[adams86lxi]

get it right (aftermarket support)

my gtz would kill a b20, hands down

i still dont agree about that but what ever. Where have you been in the import world. I have tons of domestic friends and they would all agree with me on this all day long. They hate how much aftermarket suport the imports are getting nowadays.

As for the gtz vs our b20a, Im more then 100% positive that the b20 would rape the gtz anyday. Im guessing you have never sat in a car with our b20a in it (that excludes the preludes b20a5 that shit is weak). And as for other b20s i have a friend with a lightly built 100% stock b20b bottem end with a b16 head (crvtec) that runs low 13s n/a. It would kill a gtz. My friend has a berretta gtz and he use to think he was the shit in it and it was so fast. That shit was slow, fast for a berretta but still slow. I raped the shit out of him.

[SQ is the SQUAD]

the small block chevy has wayyyyyy wayyyyy more aftermarket support then all those motors

i driven pleanty of bseries motors, and on the stock poiont they do not match up to the quad4 gtz, i am sorry, maybe the 3.1 gtz but not the quad 4

[my86dx4dr]

the small block chevy has wayyyyyy wayyyyy more aftermarket support then all those motors

i driven pleanty of bseries motors, and on the stock poiont they do not match up to the quad4 gtz, i am sorry, maybe the 3.1 gtz but not the quad 4
Thats not what we were talking about, sure a 3.1 is going to more powerful

But we'r talking about aftermarket support, and quite honestly, Thoughs motors have more aftermarket then any other motor i have ever seen.

[SQ is the SQUAD]

actuall the 2.3 will kill the 31. the 3.1 was a v6 auto the 2.4 was a quad4 high output 5spd

[adams86lxi]

actuall the 2.3 will kill the 31. the 3.1 was a v6 auto the 2.4 was a quad4 high output 5spd


Yea the 2.3 is way faster then the 3.1 because of the auto tranny it was only available with.

Alright, a chevy berreta gtz quad 4 1991 runs 16.1s in the quarter mile. Well sorry to disspoint you but the weakest vtec b series (b16) runs 15.7s stock in a 99 civic si! So guess what your wrong a stock gtz would not own any stock b-series!!! :Owned2:

[my86dx4dr]

actuall the 2.3 will kill the 31. the 3.1 was a v6 auto the 2.4 was a quad4 high output 5spd
Ok, but lets talk here, that 2.3 is pushing what, 170hp? Cool, in a car that weighs 1k lbs MORE then a gutted civic hatch. if not more!

so thats STOCK right there that the B16A alone has now won,

What about this 3.1, I bet it push's out about 170-180hp too,
what car? Hmm some kind of G.M. I know they came in the cutless, and the buicks, And berreta? well, a berreta weighs 800-1000lbs MORE then a civic AGAIN, swap a b18c1 in there and now the civic has won again.

Ok, what about the 350ci.
A 500hp gutted civic hatch on drag slicks will take a 700hp 350ci in any case.

[SQ is the SQUAD]

Yea the 2.3 is way faster then the 3.1 because of the auto tranny it was only available with.

Alright, a chevy berreta gtz quad 4 1991 runs 16.1s in the quarter mile. Well sorry to disspoint you but the weakest vtec b series (b16) runs 15.7s stock in a 99 civic si! So guess what your wrong a stock gtz would not own any stock b-series!!! :Owned2:
ummm..... i dont think so
i seen pleanty of gsrs running stock 16's
any b series i ever raced with the gtz really couldent hang, and that considering at the time the was no aftermarket for the q4 at all. i have had 3 different b series myself and i am building another one now so i think i know for experience

[SQ is the SQUAD]

Ok, but lets talk here, that 2.3 is pushing what, 170hp? Cool, in a car that weighs 1k lbs MORE then a gutted civic hatch. if not more!

so thats STOCK right there that the B16A alone has now won,

What about this 3.1, I bet it push's out about 170-180hp too,
what car? Hmm some kind of G.M. I know they came in the cutless, and the buicks, And berreta? well, a berreta weighs 800-1000lbs MORE then a civic AGAIN, swap a b18c1 in there and now the civic has won again.

Ok, what about the 350ci.
A 500hp gutted civic hatch on drag slicks will take a 700hp 350ci in any case.

but you not talking even playing feilds here guy
thats like saying ..... nothermind
i am talking stock vs. stock

[my86dx4dr]

any gsr should be low 15's, If not lower,

If a gsr is running 16's then the driver is clearly not well suited for the car

[my86dx4dr]

but you not talking even playing feilds here guy
thats like saying ..... nothermind
i am talking stock vs. stock
so am i!!!!!!!! a civic hatch si stock b16.

against a stock beretta. its about weight,

i was comparing aftermarket and weight.

remember, technology is the replacement for displacement.

that 305 makes 200hp stock, so does an h22,

[adams86lxi]

ummm..... i dont think so
i seen pleanty of gsrs running stock 16's
any b series i ever raced with the gtz really couldent hang, and that considering at the time the was no aftermarket for the q4 at all. i have had 3 different b series myself and i am building another one now so i think i know for experience

then they were shitty drivers and need to get some practice in. I have seen stock gsr's run 17s and slower with a bad driver. It depends on the driver and altitude the track is at.

BTW: 1996 Acura Integra GS-R 15.5 in the quarter stock
1997 Acura Integra Type R 14.7 in the quarter stock.

So i guess you really dont know as much about b-series as you say you do.

[my86dx4dr]

then they were shitty drivers. I have seen stock gsr's run 17s and slower. It depends on the driver and altitude the track is at.

BTW: 1996 Acura Integra GS-R 15.5 in the quarter stock
1997 Acura Integra Type R 14.7 in the quarter stock.

So i guess you really dont know to much about b-series as you say you do.
:) Yep.

the c5 alone is capable of high 13s with just a few bolt ons.

[adams86lxi]

:) Yep.

the c5 alone is capable of high 13s with just a few bolt ons.


agreed!!!!! :)

[cubert]

i love it when everyone gets along so well....its kinda like the 3geez soap opera

[SQ is the SQUAD]

i am own3d
good night guys, nice debate

[AccordEpicenter]

last time i had a one of those z24 cavs try to pass me (chick with her foot to the floor) i downshifted and rocketed away from her. BTW that quad-4 motor is such a shitty engine, and 3.1's dont come with 180hp (think 140-150) but they do have assloads of torque

[Elijah]

I know how the GTZ pulls I will admit they are quick. I had a 93 lude with bolt ons that ran a 15.5 and I was driveing the GTZ and my wife was driveing the lude and I pulled on it with the GTZ. I know she wasnt driving the lude to its full potentel but the GTZ is a very quick car I know it had to pull 15's. Mine was a 91 aswell

[adams86lxi]

To get back on topic this is what he has told me on cardomain.


adams86lxi: you ready to run? You only in the car, no one else driving the car for you. When ever your ready. My car isnt even running at 100% right now but i dont care. Let me know when!

cammroz2885: hey im pretty cofident i will beat you/how much horse and torque you got right now,but if you beat me i dont care because i aint got shit in my car besides high performance sparkplug wires and i think an upgraded chip,but if i beat you i will laugh my ass,later

adams86lxi: tell me when your ready. Like i said my car isnt running right but im confident. It dont matter how much hp/tq i make its all about power to weight ratio. See if i beat you, you got 4 extra cylinders on me lol, so you will have no excuse to why you lost. I dont have much done to mine just basic bolt ons. So i have the dissadvantage technically. Besides its just a honda........ Let me know when you wanna run. Your driving the car too.

cammroz2885: Hey it does matter that you got bolt on perfeormance shit because it helps i aint got shit on mine,plus b20s i guess are top of the line honda engines and i got a bottom of the line chevys engine witch is a 305, so if i win im goin to laugh, there is an exuses if i lose my shit is stock you got a racing engin with other shit on it. goodluck

adam86lxi: You may think my b20 is the top of the line honda engine but not even close. Infact its a non vtec honda motor from the late 80s. It has nothing race done to it at all. Intake/headers/exhaust. Nothing internal at all right now. Its not a racing engine. The real b20b's with a b16 vtec head wouldnt even be a race they would rape the shit out of you stock. And if you dont believe me i can set some races for you with some 'fast' hondas in town. My shits slow, for now. You will have no excuses your engine is almost 3 times the size of mine and has 4 more cylinders. Im 120ci you are 305ci.

cammroz2885: Stop making excuses your just makin them because you know your goin to loose my car weights alot more than yours so i need more power,right when i get my license i will race you,but the only persont that thinks that your goin to beat me is brian thats the only person,get your car runing good because if i beat you your just goin to say i won because your car isnt runing good!! later


adams86lxi: LMAO! Your the one making excuses up. You keep saying well if i lose (which you will) then its becuase my car is stock. YOUR RACING A FUCKING 4 CYL. I thought hondas were so slow!!!! Why you scared. O and i got tons of people that are dead confident it wont even be a race, easy win for me. Your the one that started talking shit when i didnt even know you or ever even seen you and i havent seen anything to back it up. The longer you wait the longer i have to get my parts and eventually start on a bigger project i have for it.

cammroz2885: There confident you will win because there all about riceburners and shit why dont you guys go for then real power witch is v8 no body likes ricers yea there pretty fast if you put a lot in to them because there slow as fuck stock,by the times i get my lisense in 1 month i will have my exhust system in, later

adams86lxi: Actually i asked abunch of domestic guys too considering they know alot about those motors plus they know mine. If you would like to race them just ask, they will run you too. As for the so called "ricers" If there ricers why dont you race them. I got a 97 civic that says you wont even be worth his time that i could get to race you if i talk to him, along with various other imports. O and btw: your car will never run 14.1s like you said. I did some research and the fastest camaro in 85 ran mid 15s. Considering the age of yours, im guessing you will only see 16,17s as your fastest. O and in a month i probbaly wont even race you because it wont be worth my time, in a month ill have something on mine that will be add a little more of a difference then your exhaust will. Also why dont you wait to talk shit after you atleast have a drivers licence. Im done with you this is stupid, you dont even have a licence.

cammroz2885: yea my car runs 15.2 when i put that info in my profile i just guessed my car will still run that or better i only have 80,000 miles on it,ricers are piecs of shit expecaly yours,so when you get that thing for your car that will add more power so will you be up to even close as what my car has stock haha well go ahead and not race me when i get my lisence i guess your just backin out.this is what my friend said tell that fool hes fuckig gay as fuck and his car looks like a fuckin slow as granny piece of shit and need 2 go back 2 droppin bitch ass kids a soccer practice and picking up grocies. he said his friends want to race you with a chevell and a nova both with over 400 horsepower and will gladly fuckin rape you in a race, since you think your ricer is so fast!!!!!later fart pipe

adams86lxi: Im not the fucking ricer you dumb piece of fucking shit. Do you even know the fucking defintion of a ricer is??? Its having exterior mods that dont back up what you have under the hood, and last time i checked i dont have shit done to the outside of my car bitch. To me your the fucking ricer. Im not the one backing out!!! Why dont you go get your piece of shit and race me right now bitch???? O yea i fucking forgot you dont even have a drivers licence yet nor do you know shit about your car or cars in general. Go take that piece to the track and find out what it runs i guaruntee you will not get faster then a high 16. See as i say again you dont know shit about anything dumbfuck. Lacr is at 2700 feet so you have to take that into consideration. Believe it or not but it will just slow your already slow enough car down more. Plus there track is beyond slippery. Yea my car is a granny car thats what makes it so much better if i raced you and wooped the shit out of you so you can tell all your friends you got owned by a granny mobile dumb fuck. Plus my car looks a hell of a lot better then your piece. "o my friend says your car is gay" Like i give a fucking rats ass what your friend says about my car! This was suppose to be a race against me and you not me vs your friends there buddy. If you wanna make it that way i can get ahold of someone in a civic hatch that would gladly own all your friends cars too. See its about what you have not what your friends have. O and i never said my car is fast you dumb mother fucker. I acutally said my car is slow. Learn how to fuking read bitch. Later domestic ricer.

camaroz2885: I wasnt meaning ricer like that fuckin faget, there is diffrent meanings for it my definition of a rice burner is its a piece of shit import with a fartpipe thats anoying as hell!I cant get my fuckin lisense yet because i just moved here and im still waiting 6 months because the dvm said i had to im fuckin old enougn to get it i will be 17 in july,how am i backin out you fuckin piece of shit i cant race you because i dont have my fuckin lisence i said i wiould race you when i get my lisence, fuck you i know alot about car you fuckin faget just not about gay ass imports i know about american muscel only because i hate imports,i know i will get around 15 in the quarter mile,how does your car look better than mine i bet you any thing if i got a pic of your car and my car every one will say mine looks a shit load better no one will want to ride your piece of shit it looks fuckin retarted, so your car is slow why even race me then because my car is pretty fast, do you think you can beat a 2005 bmw? later faget


adams86lxi: Wow i so do not care anymore. What does a bmw have to do with anything. Thats like me saying do you think you can beat a viper. Muscle cars are so easy to work on. Anyone can figure one out. There so simple, and basic. Imports are cramped together and you need alot of electronics knowledge to work on them. Im racing my friends 350 69 nova soon, he thinks i will win but i dont know till i race him. So if i win then im preety sure i can take you. If i lose to him then shit happens who cares. You shouldnt of asked me to a race if you didnt have a licence imo. Im ripping my whole car down soon anyway to re do some crap on it so its going to be down for awhile anyway.

BTW: My car wasnt made to win a beauty contest. I did what i did to it to surprise people. See if i ask someone to a race they automatically think wow 86 honda accord easy kill (which is what i want them to think anyways) then if it goes well i win and we get a good laugh out of it. See import guys dont usally argue like this. If someone is faster or beats them they give them props not bash them. Im done, its not worth it anymore. This is stupid.

[adams86lxi]

can you guys believe this guy! He is so fucking stupid. Im done with his gay ass, i cant take it anymore. Plus he cant even race me anyway. He doesnt even have a licence and he is talking shit. I got kinda pissed in the last comment but i couldnt help it he is really pissing me off.


LOL this is what i like the best.

camaroz2885: this is what my friend said tell that fool hes fuckig gay as fuck and his car looks like a fuckin slow as granny piece of shit and need 2 go back 2 droppin bitch ass kids a soccer practice and picking up grocies. he said his friends want to race you with a chevell and a nova both with over 400 horsepower and will gladly fuckin rape you in a race, since you think your ricer is so fast!!!!!later fart pipe

He acts like i actually give a shit about what his friends think. I told him it will be funny when he loses to my "granny car" then he can tell all his friends that his "fast" camaro lost to a granny car lol.

[hondamanlxi]

Just as a fyi: i smoked a 5spd iroc(305 tune port) this weekend. It was an easy kill! Dont wasted your gas

[Ace]

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :Owned2:

[mag_pbg]

Dude, this is a lose lose situation, trust me I have delt with people like this before, if you lose well he will talk shit about your car, if you win he will still talk shit about your car (people get in denial and make up excuses like you have more perfomrance parts even though they may have up to 4 more cylinders). Plus the fact that he doesn't even have a DL. Your best bet to acually get him to race is to wait till there is alot of people standing around and call him out right there after school. I mean if you lose big deal he had 4 more cylinders and double the displacement. But really is is a lose lose situation, if you doesn't agree to race then I would just ignore him no matter how hard it is (trust me it will be hard).

[mykwikcoupe]

ok heres my own 2 cents

Its not that the 305 or 350 even for that reason have so much aftermarket support. its because theyve been around since the dawn of time and chevy being so adament about parts swapping in the old days left alot of things similar. Parts are super cheap and easy to come by. When you look at the fundamentals its not that they make high power or high torque its the amount of time people have had to mess with them.

As for the camero thingy. Ok since your sure its a auto that means its deefinately a 305. 80s auto tranny are dogs. Wet dogs at that. Camt hold power for nothing and that why they got the 305 and not the 350. As for the car itself its probably the worst driving performance car ever made. The thing was biult with hinges in it or something. That thing wobbles so bad at speed it nuts. Im not saying whos faster or slower since Im guessing this is going to be a drag and not a road race its all about traction and reaction. Hes maybbe going to be a punk kid and floor it off the line hopfully spinning tires which is really bad. You being front wheel drive have the advantage. If you really want to do something go out to a raod cource and ham it up. Thats the test of driver and car. Ive been doing autocross for a while and its alot more fun than drag racing. BRACKET RACING SUCKS!!!!! Real drag racing is heads up but it ubercostly to compete. just my opinion. Feel free to tear it up I dont usually find these threads after the first time