B20A "Group buy"

[carotman]

Hi folks

I just thought about something that might benefit the 3geez community. I know that the B20A is hard to come by because no engine importer will actually bring this engine in north america. This is not because the engine is hard to find there but because of the lack on knowledge on the engine and lack of demand. I know some engine importers that "MIGHT" be able to get a special order if there is enough demand. I'm not talking about 2 or 3 engines but more like 5 or more.

I guess the final price would be around 800 or 900 for a complete engine.

I was wondering if there is enough demand for such a request. If enough people are willing to buy an engine, I will contact the engine importers I know and try to make an arangement with them.

Anyone would be interested in a B20A (manual or auto)? Of course, this had to be a REAL interest... not something you would change your mind in 2 weeks. The whole process may take up to 6 months to complete.

[NXRacer]

i really doubt you'll come up with 5 people who would be willing to plunk down the cash for a B20. Esp in recent light of all the trouble rob is having with his.

i dunno. good luck with it tho!

[YK86]

Good idea. I think 6 months or more is enough time for the serious guys who keep posting they want one to save up and get one for a good price. If it comes with an ecu, it's even better.

I wouldn't too scared to go for it. With all the info we have now, it makes it alot easier for people to install N/A. I think Rob just had some bad luck plus he's doing something quite unique. I'd be more scared about people who sign up for the group buy and then disappear when it's time to pay up.

[carotman]

That'S right Yasu. I didn't have any problem with my B20A so far except for the oil pan. Most of the parts are available in the US except a few. I really doubt they will come with an ECU but with a special order, everything is possible. I've been running my B20A on the Prelude B20A5 ECU without any issue. Of course, I might not the the full power out of it yet but it's ok.

[AccordNut]

well im interested...i was planning on turning my car over to a local honda specialist shop and have him re-build and enhance my a20a3 when im gone to iraq. When i come back im gonna have more than enough money to get the 3g back into shape. I figure a b20a would be even better...

[mykwikcoupe]

sign me up for one. Id like a 3rd just in case i get a major failure in the future. Id hate to have to convert back to the a20a. How would we figure out shipping. If it s possible to go into it with others to get a strictly parts engine. Im looking for a few little parts for my second to make it more complete. The halfshaft for example. I know i can use the stock a20a cv axles but you kknow the shorter the axle the better.

[jonrichert]

it'd be a pain in the ass for me to convert from my carb, but interest is definately here... and i'm not a broke-ass college student right now so things could work out. i'll read through all of that swap info again and get back to you.

[mykwikcoupe]

Im swapping a b20a into the wifeys carbed 89 LX. No problem justa few bolt-ons and go. If you have q's PM me

[88accordhb]

well rob is irrelavent, he's building a monster. i would totally hop all over this, but due to school and no second car to get around in, i have to stick with the good o' a20.

[Mike's89AccordLX]

I'm going to have to be on the maybe list for now. I'm buying a house and all so for now money is tight but I have enough in the bank for like 3 of them but thats house money. I don't want you to count on me b/c who knows this house thing maybe a money pit :( but I will keep an eye out for this thread an who knows you know.

[YK86]

It's good to see everone being up front on this. With the other group buys, it seemed everyone had money on hand, ready to buy now, etc but only half or even less come through.

[ICEMAN707]

i'm definitely in...provided it comes with a 5 spd and is very clean with low miles that is.

also, i'd much rather have a group buy on Hasport B-series or H22A swap kit. will anyone living in or near the Phoenix, Arizona area please call Hasport to make a swap kit for 3geez? Preferably H22A. Tell them we would do a group buy. I bet there's alot of members in here that would be interested.


HASport Performance
2849 South 44th Street
Phoenix, AZ 85040

602.470.0065
602.470.0516 FAX

[EricW]

I'm Interested as long as I don't get the one from Deathrat first.

[jt money]

i really doubt you'll come up with 5 people who would be willing to plunk down the cash for a B20. Esp in recent light of all the trouble rob is having with his.

i dunno. good luck with it tho!


Hey I need a 3geez sticker to go on my honda. Hood me up
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[Mike's89AccordLX]

You might want to pm him instead of posting in a thread that he probably wont see.

[jt money]

Im intersted in this to, but I just got laid off of work, but that would have changed within 6 months hopefully.

[RobT5580]

I might consider it if i dont give up on the project since im on my spare block already and possibly may need a 3rd depending on what is wrong....

[carotman]

Ok, since there is enough interest, I will take a trip to the engine importers I know and ask them if they can do a special order from Japan for us. I dunno if they will be willing to do it but business is business. Money can buy anything and they have the resources to get those engines. Maybe we would have to pay in advance or something like that.

I will keep you updated.

[88' Accord Ltd]

Ok, since there is enough interest, I will take a trip to the engine importers I know and ask them if they can do a special order from Japan for us. I dunno if they will be willing to do it but business is business. Money can buy anything and they have the resources to get those engines. Maybe we would have to pay in advance or something like that.

I will keep you updated.


Deals, let us know!!

[HondaBoy]

B20A is definately something i'd like to check off my list of things to get. under $1000 for engine and tranny imported is decent. would these be the low mileage engines from japan and other emmision wise countries? i'd rather not have to rebuild the engine for a while. about trannies, a manual 5 speed is what i'd like. but i think i'd also like to see about an automatic. i was going to try and do a few things with the car after school ends. i was going to try and do the suspension, but if a B20A comes around, i think i'd probley drop all other plans for it. how would these engnies be shipped and delivered? i was going to get either a 1.8T or inline VR6 to swap into my jetta, but that would have to wait if i can get the B20A. i'd like to keep this subject open for the time being. in the summer i'm bringing $200+ home a week, i think i'd be able to cover the engine costs and other stuff.

[mykwikcoupe]

Id give half up front. When i did the yoda swap I paid up front. Like a year later i got my engine even after calls ever other day. They said they didnt have a full crate and where waiting. Dude i was pissed. I guess if thats what it takes though. I trust in the ol' mighty carot

[carotman]

Yeah, I know I can be trusted but it's the importers that sometimes can't... The B20A is a bit old and I wouldn't want to send a worn out engine to somebody here. Of course leakdown tests are performed but you can't really make the engine run before it's put in a car. Warranty issues are the biggest thing with those importers. Anyway, with that much engines it will be written clearly on paper so legal actions would be easy.

I said the engines would cost around 900 shipped but of course this is US $ They might be even cheaper since it's a big order but like I said, I'll talk to a few of them next week.

[pendejo]

You can put me on the maybe list as well. If I can sell my spare A20 then I'll definitely be interested. Is this price just for the engine, or engine and tranny? And likeothers said, how will they be shipped to us? If this is going to cost me more than $1500 to completely do the swap(engine, tranny, shipping) then I'm not so sure about it. Keep us updated.

[88tandx]

just got back from getting my new lx-i coupe today and i tore the clutch on the way back home and had to slam it into gear every shift which maybe isnt a good sign of things to come but a new B20A could definetly change that. now all i gotta do is increase my weekly visits to the sperm bank. 50 bux to look at porn and do what id be doing if i was at home, who knew?? if finances work out the way ive planned them then i should be in.

can anyone tell me wut to do about the rear tranny mount. i was looking on the general swap info sticky and it says something about needing a different rear tranny mount? maybe im seeing things who knows anymore...

-joe

[3G Jester]

mm not just tranny mounts....ya'll might wanna look into getting a group buy on motor mounts too while your at it if it could save some coin. talk to a local reputible shop or something.

and no. im not swapping the v6 for a b20.

i have my heart set on a non vtec d series :)

[88tandx]

:dunno: sh!t man now im even more confused. this is what im gathering from reading everything on this forum and can someone tell me if im right or wrong:
The B20A(from the JDM accords) mounts up to the current mounts in the 3g accord except for the rear tranny mount.
Ive searched the forum and i keep getting conflicting or confusing information so could someone just set me straight and let me know what going on. Ive got the know how and whatnot to do swaps as ive done other ones before im just confused about the do-ability of this one.
Thanks alot guys.

-Joe

[mykwikcoupe]

yes thats correct everything bolts up except the rear tranny mount. the only issue like that is the cv axles. if you want the halfshaft then use 2 drivers side cv axles. if you have one that didnt come with the halfshaft just use both stock cv axles. Swap the intake put the teg dizzy in and your in business. mike

[88tandx]

thanks for clearing that up man. so what would i do about the tranny mount? custom fab one up?

-joe

[88tandx]

any updates on the buy??

[mykwikcoupe]

or buy one from japan like rob did. only problem is shipping. i want to say that was the biggest letdown the scalping on shipping. if your lucky the used mount will come on the motor. Ive got 2 1 came with it the other didnt. I got a complete rebiuld kit from japan C/O rob and it has a new one so Im covered. Even if the used one isnt in the best shape you can make your own poly bushing using the stock one. Just do a search on the board about custom poly bushings or something like that

[HondaBoy]

i still would like to keep my options open of course, but i just found out i'm getting booted out of my job in june i think. i've already considered some places to work. i'm going to try for a job at this british auto shop. they train new people, or so i've heard, so i'm wanting that job. anyway, i'll keep reading here and see what i can do.

[carotman]

The rear mount usually comes with the engine. If not, I can always source them from Auto trannies. They are the same anyway.

[Mike's89AccordLX]

Are any dates set for this buy?

Hell $900 shipped is a deal. Like I said before money will be tight for me but I just bought a $400 apexi exhaust system for my lude so I can probably get the money together. I would like it if the GB wasnt for awhile only b/c I wont have my house ready until june. Not finished building it so I wont have a place to put it. I think I would still try to run dual carbs just b/c I dont want to convert to efi since I dont have a 4dr wiring harness availible.

[carotman]

I've been really busy lately with work and my own cars.

I will soon buy a spare 5 speed tranny so I will try to organise the group buy at the same time.

I just hope that they would be willing to import those...

[gp02a0083]

hmm seems like a plan *reaches down in wallet* uhh dude dont got the $$ but i want a b20 in my hatch sooo bad :sad2:

[ropponmatsu]

Im a little late to this post, So let me get this straight everyone here is going on a group buy for a b20 (i assume JDM) and its only 900USD. Uf this is true i would love to be including only thing is, how long until this gos thru???

[bigal004321]

i am interested, any word from the importers?

[carotman]

Some of them said they would haveto source the engines themselves in their next trip to Japan. It turns out that most of them have a relative living in japan that runs a junkyard.

I'm still waiting for them :(

I will give them a little visit next week since I'll be off from work.

[halxi]

I think icemans idea is more practical. An h22a swap kit group buy over an imported motor group buy.

If something goes wrong on an h22a, hit up your local autoparts store and they will probably have it on hand ready to be sold. Something goes wrong on a b20a from japan, youre probably going to be waiting at least a week for that part to get in. Maybe not an h22a swap kit, maybe get the b series or something going again, who knows. It just seems more practical to have a swap kit built for a US engine, over imported engines from japan.

Im interested in a b20, but it would take me upwards of 8 months to get the money, or time to do it.

[carotman]

I would have loved to have a mount kit for a fair price but I have yet to see one. In fact, I have yet to actually see a kit since Placeracing went out of business...

It isn't that hard to find parts for the B20A in North america. So far, the tranny casing, oil pan and head gaskets are the only parts that pose a problem.

[TheWatcher]

I think icemans idea is more practical. An h22a swap kit group buy over an imported motor group buy.

If something goes wrong on an h22a, hit up your local autoparts store and they will probably have it on hand ready to be sold. Something goes wrong on a b20a from japan, youre probably going to be waiting at least a week for that part to get in. Maybe not an h22a swap kit, maybe get the b series or something going again, who knows. It just seems more practical to have a swap kit built for a US engine, over imported engines from japan.

Im interested in a b20, but it would take me upwards of 8 months to get the money, or time to do it.
halxi,

You're a tard.

Iceman is going with a B-series swap. Name ONE person on this board w/ a H22 swap? FYI, NO one has a H22 swap. So get off you h22 fantasy, and stop threadcraping on the b20a swap group buy thread.

Carotman and others have SUCESSFULLY completed the b20a swap.

Or you can be the 1st halxi, spend $10,000+ and get it working. :lol:

:Owned2:

Peace.

[Lumpskie]

Are there any updates on this thread? I am mildly interested in the DOHC motor, and have enough to purchase one. How high is the average mileage on the motors? How soon can you get them? I'm planning on digging into my transmission and getting a new clutch, but if this comes together I'll just purchase the engine instead. Please post on the latest developments.

[carotman]

Well, I did find a couple of automatic motors here... but none of the engine importers are willing to import a batch of them. Most of them just order stuff from junkyards and they don't come by B20As that ofter now I guess. I told them I would buy 10 of them but they don't seem to be interested. I guess I would just have to pay them in advance or even better, deal directly with a junkyard in Japan and have a container full of 3G parts shipped to vancouver.

If I won the lottery, I would take the risk but since I'm not rich, I can't do such a thing.

[Bullit]

This looks like it died already, but I'd be interested in a 5-speed.

[Kabuki]

Well, I did find a couple of automatic motors here... but none of the engine importers are willing to import a batch of them. Most of them just order stuff from junkyards and they don't come by B20As that ofter now I guess. I told them I would buy 10 of them but they don't seem to be interested. I guess I would just have to pay them in advance or even better, deal directly with a junkyard in Japan and have a container full of 3G parts shipped to vancouver.

If I won the lottery, I would take the risk but since I'm not rich, I can't do such a thing.

I know... I made the same lottery dependent vow on the Accord Wagon Club... If I win, I'll import a bunch of 6G Accord Wagons. I guess I'll add a bunch of B20s to the list...

[JDM89]

hmm I'll think about the swap for sure.

[3gmodifier]

i am 100% cool with the swap. i have been looking for almost a year. when ever you get them, i'll be waiting.

[speedpenguin]

Dead thread guys, if you want a B20 you have to find it yourself.

[JDM89]

whats the hp an ft lbs of tq that you would get out of a stock B20A????

[Swap_File]

From http://www.pauldesign.ru/honda/about.html :

B20A Japan: 160 HP @ 6300 RPM and 140 ft lbs @ 5000 RPM (converted from newton meters)

[AccordB20A]

your making me look forward to mine like hell... It shd be gong by the end of the week if i can "UnSpun" This big end bearing.

i was wondering ( i read back at the top of this thread) someone mensioned that you can use the same axles on a b20a as off your a20a....
i tried that and it doesnt work. the short shaft fits but the longer one is 5mm or so too short and if u turn left and do a skid it pops out... Found that one out the hard way!!!

[thegreatdane]

You need 2 of the short passengers side axles, one for each side. There should be an intermediate shaft mounted on the B20A.

[AccordB20A]

my b20a has a long shaft on one side because its off a b18 vigor.

[TWOLOUDNPROUD]

I have Three B20a now Sweet

[AccordB20A]

ive had about 34584389 of them but they all sem to do big ends. fuckers...maybe one day ill manage to get my car to actually work and not make loud noises from down below....

[TWOLOUDNPROUD]

ive had about 34584389 of them but they all sem to do big ends. fuckers...maybe one day ill manage to get my car to actually work and not make loud noises from down below....
Hay wohdog i need a timing belt cover for the B20a if you can get it i will buy it from you Let me know.

[AccordB20A]

sweeet most of the ones i get dont have cambelt covers

[cbk1]

what will fit my 87 honda accord motor from stock to something w/hp? help