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OldSchoolSwap
08-06-2002, 12:47 PM
Bottoming out of the front suspension


The single most common problem we encounter on race cars is bottoming out of the front suspension. It is suprisingly difficult to detect sometimes. This problem can really frustrate you, in fact, a frustrated team and driver can be one of the symptoms that the car is bottoming out! Most cars have more rear suspension travel, so bottoming out of the rear suspension is less common, and is actually easier to detect because of severe and sudden oversteer. Bottoming out of the front suspension can be much more subtle and gentle.

I have listed the most common symptoms and causes separately, with the most common listed first.

Symptoms of bottoming out the front suspension.

The car is unresponsive to changes made to the front suspension. A particularly good clue is that softening the front sway bar makes the car understeer the same or worse.
The car understeers more if you try to go faster, especially in mid-turn after the chassis takes a set. Don't confuse this with braking too late.
The car understeers more after only 2-3 laps. This is a sign that the front tires are overheating very quickly., indicating that the cars is way too stiff, perhaps because of bottoming out.
Just to be sure, wrap a nylon tie around the strut or shock, to indicate travel, then drive a few test laps. Absolutely avoid any bump or curb which would artificially push the nylon tie to the top of the shaft, and then pull in to see if the nylon tie has been pushed to the very top. This may mean driving off line and slowly everywhere but the places where you suspect bottoming.
Causes

The most common reason for bottoming out the front suspension is that the car is simply too low for the existing front strut or shock length. This is true even with very stiff springs. See our catalog for solutions.
Bump stops could be too long, especially stock hard rubber ones that can steal 2 or 3 inches of travel. Bump stops should benefit the car, not make it worse.
Front spring rate is too soft. Especially common with street springs that have been cut. This can be especially confusing because all the books say that stiffer front springs will make the car push, which is not always true.
Front springs coil binding. This is rather uncommon, but it does happen. You can see this by looking carefully at the individual coils where they could touch.

1988starter
08-06-2002, 01:14 PM
Good read man you know whats up.

Jims 86LXI HB
08-06-2002, 01:15 PM
Intersting topic. I doesn't belong in this section:rolleyes:
I'd move it, but I don't have the power to do so:rant:

1988starter
08-06-2002, 01:17 PM
Jim how do you feel about cut springs I know you have godlike knowlege in suspension.

Jims 86LXI HB
08-06-2002, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by 1988starter
Jim how do you feel about cut springs I know you have godlike knowlege in suspension.

Jezz calling me a guru was bad enough, now I'm a god, um no not really I just try harder:smokin:

And why are you trying to pin me with a question like that, I'll have to pick my words very carefully:lol

I don't think cutting springs is a good idea. But I'm smart enough to know that we will always have some people that will be hell bent on doing it anyways. And since the stock springs and struts are usually involved they would be at a much greater risk of bottoming out the suspension and all of the bad things that go along with that. They'd be the perfect people for the bumpstops I found that have small helper springs built into them:D

MiGeY
08-06-2002, 02:25 PM
Good post :D

TeKKnoTeKK
08-06-2002, 02:33 PM
yeah good post Juan...thanks for the info, it helps me a lot

OldSchoolSwap
08-06-2002, 03:22 PM
Glad you guys are enjoying it! My pleasure :D

OldSchoolSwap
08-07-2002, 07:03 AM
Originally posted by Jims 86LXI HB
Intersting topic. I doesn't belong in this section:rolleyes:
I'd move it, but I don't have the power to do so:rant:
I thought about it too but I figured the "performance" forum would get better hits and replies.
I guess it is part of "performance" thread :rolleyes: :D