C25A1 in a 3 gee? [Archive] - 3geez.com - Classic Honda Accord & Prelude Forum

accord newbie

05-18-2005, 10:48 AM

I ran a search, but did not find quite what i'm looking for.
My neighbor has an 88 Sterling 825s( basically a european acura legend) with a C25a1 2.5 v6. the car has 75,000 miles and has been extremly well maintained. He also has a 87 lxi hatchback parts car(wonder were i've gotten all the free stuff don't you) :deal: We were wondering if the V6 will physically fit in the 3 gee engine bay. No, we are not swap happy, the Sterling is wasted in the rear ,and rear passenger side door.

Now we are not expecting a "bolt in" swap, but the front of the Sterling is untouched, so we have the mounts, harness, ecm, trans, axles, hubs, etc.
We also have access to a certified welder, who is in to weird engine swaps(Lt1 in a pinto, 390 in a ranger), so fabbing adapters and plates is no big deal.

I rode in this car before it was wrecked, and it scooted along pretty well for a four door, so it should be pretty nasty in a light 3gee hatchback.

This car will be mainly used as a bracket race car, with some occasional excursions on the street. But we want to keep the body as stock looking as possible :rockon: , for that "sleeper" look.

To referece, this is the same engine in an '86 or 87 legend, so it is a honda product, it least im keeping it asian :rice:

I know i'll get flamed for posting this, but like i said, the car will be mostly used for bracket racing, and very seldomly will be driven on the street( we live about 2 miles from Virginia Motorsports Park).

We were just wondering if anybody has tried to fit one of these engines in a 3 gee chassis

SteveDX89

05-18-2005, 11:41 AM

I don't think it's ever been tried but I would like to see it. If you're just doing it for racing, you might as well try it. If it doesn't work, you can always start over with a different engine. As far as fitting, the engine bay is relatively deep so it might fit. You just would be close to hitting the radiator and firewall.

accord newbie

05-18-2005, 12:19 PM

Well it will be mostly used for drag racing, that is not to say if it works well it won't see some street duty :jaw:

Slipknotcraig133

05-18-2005, 12:35 PM

that would be a good setup i think. Like steve said if its just for racing why not try. The car isnt to heavy so i say go for it

Robs89LXi

05-18-2005, 12:41 PM

Wiring will probably be your biggest issue, as you will need to use the Acura ECU, and then you will run into the problem of sensors, and dash items. Axles will be another (length, angle, spline count). Another big item will be transmission; does the Acura use hydrolic or cable? What about the shift linkage? Just a few off the top of my head. Good luck though, and be sure to post pics if you decide to do it.

accord newbie

05-18-2005, 12:46 PM

well, i guess if the radiator is too close, i can do like the v8 s-10 swap guys do. Move to radiator to the front of the radiator support, and route the hoses around the support. since this car wont have A/C the front end is wide open, just wont have any protection against impacts, but some window screen will cure that. I took some crude measurements, and it will be tight, but it looks like it will go. If worst comes to worst, we can cut some of the fender structure out and reinforce the area with some roll bar tubing.

accord newbie

05-18-2005, 12:53 PM

The Sterling has an automatic tranny, and we have the complete car to rob what we need :werd:

accord newbie

05-18-2005, 01:09 PM

BTW, does anyone know what the Ca25A1 is rated at compared to the BT in my 3 gee

thegreatdane

05-18-2005, 02:03 PM

It can be done, a C27A has been swapped into a 3rd gen.

88accordhb

05-18-2005, 02:55 PM

It can be done, a C27A has been swapped into a 3rd gen.
woah! do you have links?

as for the sterling motor, if you can pull it off, that would be cool. it will definitely take time, money and frustration. but if you or others know enuff about cars, it can definitely be done.

buds302

05-18-2005, 02:59 PM

i dont think wiring would be a problem as long as you replaceall of it with the acura wiring. not too hard!!................................yeah right

accord newbie

05-19-2005, 04:49 AM

Yeah, anyone who knows any links to swaps done before, please post them, it would greatly be appreciated.

Robs89LXi

05-19-2005, 05:03 AM

i dont think wiring would be a problem as long as you replaceall of it with the acura wiring. not too hard!!................................yeah right

Not an Acura; British Sterling. Engine by Honda, body by Rover. I wouldn't want to try it, but then again, if I had them both just sitting there like you do... and a whole lot of time on my hands :).... maybe.

thegreatdane

05-19-2005, 05:44 AM

woah! do you have links?

I have these almost finished pictures that's all. It's one of my buddies buddy, so I dont actually know the guy myself.

http://www.honda-klub.dk/data/cache/5/9/640x480.98af8de5.32795.jpg
http://www.honda-klub.dk/data/cache/1/1/640x480.d0b5eca0.32711.jpg

I believe the plan is to twin turbo it, and currently the car should be in running condition but with stock engine.

SteveDX89

05-19-2005, 06:26 AM

Please try to get completed pics.

accord newbie

05-19-2005, 11:26 AM

Kewl it can be done, but damn it is tight up front at the core support. Guess we will have to move the radiator in front of the support

thegreatdane

05-19-2005, 02:32 PM

I dont have any better pics, but the two turbos is now installed and the engine is running with them.
Oh by the way, he is using his own custom made driveshafts at the moment. And he's using a cable instead of the slave cylinder for the clutch.

Elijah

05-19-2005, 02:51 PM

There is a guy in Edmonton (here in Canada) that has done it.

HondaBoy

05-19-2005, 03:40 PM

i think that is a cool idea, seeing as some people are trying it. but i'd say nah, unless your 3gee is going to be mainly a project car. the sterling 825 and 827 wasnt the european version of a legend though. it was pretty much just a rebadged version of the Rover 825 and 827 that used honda made V6's. nice cars, but damn they are hard to find in good condition. my cousin in West Viginia has one that's in really nice condition, but has had problems. its gold i think. i'd thought about this putting the V6 from one into a 3gee. found one at the junk yard complete, but it had fubared heads so it ran like shit.

88accordhb

05-19-2005, 03:48 PM

i think that is a cool idea, seeing as some people are trying it. but i'd say nah, unless your 3gee is going to be mainly a project car.

This car will be mainly used as a bracket race car, with some occasional excursions on the street. But we want to keep the body as stock looking as possible :rockon: , for that "sleeper" look.

Civvy

05-20-2005, 02:01 AM

WOW! I know where theres one for £80 thats a little cheaper than a H22!!

accord newbie

05-20-2005, 05:47 AM

Hondaboy, you're right about the rare part, this is only the third one i have ever seen, and before the wreck, by far the best condition one ive seen. I went over there yesterday to survey the damage, it is flat out demolished in the passenger rear and right rear door area( 00 ram 3500 4x4 ran stop light and clipped it), but from the front doors foward is perfect.
I just said european legend, because it looks so much like a legend, and has the same engine, so everyone can visualize the engine i'm trying to swap, even if they've never seen a Sterling.

Does anyone know what these engines are rated at? we are tryiong to get an idea of the power this engine makes, to see if it worth the trouble versus power gains

SteveDX89

05-20-2005, 06:13 AM

151 hp
154 lb-ft torque

accord newbie

05-20-2005, 06:35 AM

so with a CAI and Freeflowing exhaust we should be near 165 or so without internal mods, yeah it is worth it :rofl:

this hatchback should be a rocket, if we can get it to hook up :nervous:

SteveDX89

05-20-2005, 08:13 AM

It'll be pretty quick. Dunno about a rocket since the hp is kinda low. You should get some nice launches tho.

ICEMAN707

05-20-2005, 08:40 AM

I have these almost finished pictures that's all. It's one of my buddies buddy, so I dont actually know the guy myself.

http://www.honda-klub.dk/data/cache/5/9/640x480.98af8de5.32795.jpg
http://www.honda-klub.dk/data/cache/1/1/640x480.d0b5eca0.32711.jpg

I believe the plan is to twin turbo it, and currently the car should be in running condition but with stock engine.

that looks alot like your car in your signature. are you hiding something from us? :deal: lol anyways, got any finished pics of that car? i'm curious to see it all done and running. although an h22 would be worth the headache if you are gonna attempt that engine swap instead since the h22 makes almost 200hp.

thegreatdane

05-20-2005, 09:57 PM

Nah it's not mine. But they do look like eachother. I havent got any finished pictures but might get it in a couple of weeks.

ICEMAN707

05-20-2005, 10:12 PM

is that a factory color for euro accords? nice color.

smufguy

05-21-2005, 08:32 AM

the first year c25 and the second c27 are not really great motors. But you are better off talking to guys over at acura-legend.com to figure out how to get rid of the vauum lines and get a different intake manifold. Its a very very very tight fit and also need to make an extra mount on the pass side to hold up the motor. Believe it or not, the 3g engine bay from side to side is longer than the legend and the front to back is smaller than the legend. So the radiator and fans need some thinking (atleast the fans). The car will be extremely nose heavy and u need to get the car weighed and run proper spring rate in the front to help the car not dip and bottom out in deceleration and braking and accompanied by the right struts.

thegreatdane

05-21-2005, 08:33 AM

No it's pure coincidence really.

Robs89LXi

05-21-2005, 08:41 AM

Mirrors are different colors.

mouchyn

05-21-2005, 09:45 AM

carotman

05-21-2005, 10:06 AM

That C20A is nice. There was one in the "showroom" of a local engine importer. It's quite big for a 2L engine tough

HondaBoy

05-21-2005, 11:08 AM

would this be the legend the C20 turbo came in? seems like it would be. i think so because you see below V6 at the top it says 2000, so 2000cc.
http://www.honda.co.jp/soeno/photo_id/legend/jpg/230_1b.jpg

also thought this was cool. a really early nav system. its out of a 2nd gen body legend.
http://www.honda.co.jp/factbook/auto/LEGEND/19901024/image/025-001.gif

Legend_master

05-22-2005, 02:09 PM

just thought you guys would want to see this C series engine while we're on the subject. I don't know how much you guys know about honda's history, but this is a little gold nugget of honda!

http://images.andale.com/f2/113/100/17598746/1114185428262_1114890823031_acura_c20_turbo__6.JPG

C20A. 160HP @ 6 psi FACTORY

actually that motor is a G20t and they are not very good motors (destroked c25a turbo that produced 180HP/179TQ), you can only get them in an auto and the best part about them is that they have a winged turbo so there is no turbo lag. The whole premise behind the 2L turbo v6 was that they needed a turbo v6, but anything above a 2.0L exceeded the HP/Tq restriction on the car for the times. As for the C25A, alot of the parts are compatible with the 91 NSX motor. I know the pistons will fit and a couple other parts to. You should try and get the c27A internals and stroke it up to a 2.7L then you will have 176HP/176TQ and that little car would be a rocket. As for getting rid of the vacume hoses you would need to get some parts off the 94-97 accord v6, because it uses the exact same motor, just a little more modern.

On a side note I have seen a c27a stuffed into an 89 civic hatch and the only problem he had was radiator not fitting, so he stuck it on outside of the bumper :rice: . That car was so fast and was a perfect sleeper.

Legend_master

05-22-2005, 02:15 PM

One more piece of food for thought.

Its an '84 Civic powered by an C25A Acura Legend 2.5L V-6. The bodywork (front and rear bumpers, quater panel flares, fender flares, and rocker extensions) was hand built. A very interesting mix of parts were used during construction. '87 Corvette brakes all around, a Porsche 944 airbox, and 240Z rear suspension bits are some of the highlights, along with many more custom fabricated parts like lower rear control arms.

The car was constructed in the early 90s. It was featured in Sport Compact Car back in February of '94, and again in Turbo and Hi-Tech Performance in February of '97. Full documentation of the build comes with the car. Judging by some of the articles that were in the documentation, the builder toyed with the idea of a Whipplecharger at one point. Also in the binder were articles pertaining to the Ford Festiva/SHOgun, the Renault R-5 Turbo, and the Puegot 205 Turbo 16. All of which share the design of a pint sized hatchback with a big/powerful motor in the back.

There is a ton more to learn. In the next few days/weeks as I work my way through the paperwork I will post any other interesting and pertinent info. Also, I will see about scanning some of the dozens of pictures that document the build.

http://www.superhighoutput.com/gallery/data/media/2/Oct04215.JPG

http://www.superhighoutput.com/gallery/data/media/1/Oct04217.JPG

http://www.superhighoutput.com/gallery/data/media/2/Oct04218.JPG

http://www.superhighoutput.com/gallery/data/media/1/Oct04219.JPG

http://www.superhighoutput.com/gallery/data/media/1/Oct04220.JPG

http://www.superhighoutput.com/gallery/data/media/1/Oct04221.JPG

smufguy

05-22-2005, 05:23 PM

I would like to see more pics of that C20A-T motor.

actually that motor is a G20t and they are not very good motors (destroked c25a turbo that produced 180HP/179TQ),

I guess you meant to say C20A-T. Cause the G20 was an Inline 5 cylinder motor that never came in turbo.

The C20 was NOT a destroked C25 motor. The C25 was actually a bored out and stroked out C20.

Motor Bore X stroke

C20 82.0 x 63.0
C25 84.0 x 75.0

HondaBoy

05-22-2005, 06:16 PM

thats right, the G20 and G25 series were 5 cylinder engines. the G20 and G25 i know came in the ascot.

Legend_master

05-22-2005, 08:51 PM

I would like to see more pics of that C20A-T motor.

I guess you meant to say C20A-T. Cause the G20 was an Inline 5 cylinder motor that never came in turbo.

The C20 was NOT a destroked C25 motor. The C25 was actually a bored out and stroked out C20.

Motor Bore X stroke

C20 82.0 x 63.0
C25 84.0 x 75.0

No I ment to say G20t, The turbo legend (http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/id/?id=22990) only came in the 88 and the first c25a was released in 1986 with the original legend and then upgraded to c27a at the end of 1988, so that means that it would be a destroked c25a or c27a. Here is a little more info on the turbo Winged turbo (http://dwolsten.tripod.com/articles/jan89a.html)

When I looked into purchasing one of these motors for my legend all the importers I talked to called it a G20T and they are very rare. I did find a couple, but they dident have ECU's with them so declined to buy one. I can't prove that it is the right engine code, but I can't find anything to prove the engine code at all.

Here are some better pictures
http://img239.exs.cx/img239/4792/legendenginesmall0ho.jpg

http://img239.exs.cx/img239/7123/legendenginetopsmall4jc.jpg

http://img175.exs.cx/img175/672/legendenginefansmall9cr.jpg

http://img236.exs.cx/img236/7712/legendrearbadges14dl.jpg

phrenology

05-22-2005, 09:25 PM

One more piece of food for thought.

http://www.superhighoutput.com/gallery/data/media/2/Oct04215.JPG

http://www.superhighoutput.com/gallery/data/media/1/Oct04217.JPG

http://www.superhighoutput.com/gallery/data/media/2/Oct04218.JPG

http://www.superhighoutput.com/gallery/data/media/1/Oct04219.JPG

http://www.superhighoutput.com/gallery/data/media/1/Oct04220.JPG

http://www.superhighoutput.com/gallery/data/media/1/Oct04221.JPG

That's gotta be the most badass Civic project I've ever seen...but then again I'm a huge fan of the Renault 5 and Clio look...mmmm midengine sexiness. I wish I had the time and money to work my 84' Accord into that!

:bow: :bow: :bow: :jaw:

Legend_master

05-22-2005, 09:49 PM

That's gotta be the most badass Civic project I've ever seen...but then again I'm a huge fan of the Renault 5 and Clio look...mmmm midengine sexiness. I wish I had the time and money to work my 84' Accord into that!

:bow: :bow: :bow: :jaw:

I about shit my pants as soon as I saw that guys car. He was telling me about before he had pictures and I dident believe him then he showed us those pics and I was like :eek: .

Legend_master

05-29-2005, 08:01 AM

heres one on ebay

Turbo Legend Motor (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7977373616&category=33615)

phrenology

05-29-2005, 08:15 AM

heres one on ebay

Turbo Legend Motor (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7977373616&category=33615)

Holy Shitassmittens that is one beefy lookin' JDM motor. Its funny the only thing that is even similar to the A20s is the alternator.
:jaw:

accordlxi2.0

05-29-2005, 08:23 AM

damn!!
a couple of cars i raced asked me what i have...i tell em' stock.

they can't belive that a rusted honda/acura out did there 99' and ^ car.
i did'nt think these engines whould have this much potential....one being i did'nt know that honda made a v6 back in 86'.

i wanna put a turbo in my c27 now.......

Legend_master

05-29-2005, 08:23 AM

Holy Shitassmittens that is one beefy lookin' JDM motor. Its funny the only thing that is even similar to the A20s is the alternator.
:jaw:

If it was possible to stick that turbo on a c27a it would scream. It woudl have well over 200+ HP and TQ. I wish I had the money to try that when I still had my legend, but those motors are worthless without the ECU because the winged turbo.

accordlxi2.0

05-29-2005, 08:31 AM

(sadly)...ohh.

damn! japan and australia gets better engine than us.....
as for my car...i'm surprised with her performance (even though she needs cap/rotor and o2 sensors)

hey legend master what happen to your legend??

phrenology

05-29-2005, 08:33 AM

If it was possible to stick that turbo on a c27a it would scream. It woudl have well over 200+ HP and TQ. I wish I had the money to try that when I still had my legend, but those motors are worthless without the ECU because the winged turbo.

But $700 is a good price even without the ECU...but I'm not sure what the mileage is on that. The shipping on that probably sucks too. Good luck finding an ECU...and what a bitch that would be to swap into anything other than a Legend. Hmmm I'm gonna go see if that Sterling is sitting around the junkyard today.

accordlxi2.0

05-29-2005, 08:39 AM

a while back on here a guy in the us found a sterling....but he bought the steering wheel.....
so you'll probably get lucky

Legend_master

05-29-2005, 09:08 AM

hey legend master what happen to your legend??

I had to sell it after owning it for 6 years :crying: it was my first car, but I will be moving on to bigger and better things once I finish the swap in my hatch. As for the price of the turbo motor it really is not that bad, but you are right it would be really hard to find an ECU or Wire harness for that car.

phrenology

05-29-2005, 09:34 PM

a while back on here a guy in the us found a sterling....but he bought the steering wheel.....
so you'll probably get lucky

I saw the Sterling at the Junkyard again today. It must be the same one I saw months ago, because the hood was jammed like last time. It had some stupid chrome 15's on it that I was gonna salvage, polish and then sell off but the 4th wheel was missing.

I was gonna swipe the steering wheel but it was leather and all chewed up. The interior was dark tan and all beat to shit. It sounds lame but I couldn't find the hood release under the dash. If anyone knows, tell me so I can snap a shot of the engine.

Today I saw about a million A20 Accords, no rare birds though only LX, LXi, DX USDM (I saw an elusive Exi-Si a few years back before I knew much about rare Accords!), couple of 90-91 Accords and Legends, two 2 Gees no hatches damn it (they're becoming a rare find and I need a hatch lid!!!) couple dozen Civics 81-95, two or three Gen 1and 2 Tegs, a Del Sol, no old CRXs! and about a dozen Ludes 86-90.

I was thinking of you guys though, I tried an experiment with some Sterling parts. Unfortunately nothing really worked. I pulled the tails out and tried to fit them onto a 3 Gee but they are a different shape, they might fit a Legend. The front suspension parts are very similar to 3 Geez and contemporary Legends too.

If anyone wants something specific from this Sterling let me know and I can try to pull it for you if it isn't huge. I think the Sterling was an 835 or something, I don't know my Sterling model codes. It was an auto with brown interior. Tell me and I'll go back next week if I can (no promises) I'll charge lot price plus a small pulling fee if its not a pain-in-the-ass piece. Ask me first cause I took a long hard look at it before I left, but keep in mind the engine bay was inaccessible, and the interior is pretty shot.

accord newbie

07-15-2005, 05:53 PM

phrenology, the hood releasde is on the passenger side down near the passengers feet, yeah i know, ass backwards brits LOL

PortugalFocus

07-16-2005, 04:14 AM

http://www.honda-klub.dk/data/cache/5/9/640x480.98af8de5.32795.jpg

This engine looks like wiring vomit...

phrenology

07-16-2005, 05:56 AM

phrenology, the hood releasde is on the passenger side down near the passengers feet, yeah i know, ass backwards brits LOL

That Sterling has been there for months. I don't think anyone has bothered to try and get the bonnet open. It had some really stupid looking ghetto chrome rims on it. If I go back to get more parts before I leave FL...I'll give the Sterling another look and find that release. Thanks
:bowrofl:

accord newbie

07-16-2005, 04:59 PM

No prob, it baffled me as well, i was reaching for the "Persueder"( 6 foot wrecking bar), when i saw the release on the passenger side

HondaBoy

07-19-2005, 09:59 PM

heh, lol! i just got that. what cke said. :bowrofl: ok, maybe its not that funny.

ICEMAN707

07-20-2005, 02:11 AM

...... As for the C25A, alot of the parts are compatible with the 91 NSX motor. ....... As for getting rid of the vacume hoses you would need to get some parts off the 94-97 accord v6, because it uses the exact same motor, just a little more modern......

So from what you are saying...if the C20a or C25a could fit in our cars, wouldn't it be better to put the newer 94-97 Accord V6 in instead?

ICEMAN707

07-20-2005, 02:19 AM

I have these almost finished pictures that's all. It's one of my buddies buddy, so I dont actually know the guy myself.

http://www.honda-klub.dk/data/cache/5/9/640x480.98af8de5.32795.jpg
http://www.honda-klub.dk/data/cache/1/1/640x480.d0b5eca0.32711.jpg

I believe the plan is to twin turbo it, and currently the car should be in running condition but with stock engine.

Dane, did you ever find out if that engine bolted on with the stock mounts? Looks like the driver's side mount is the same as the A20's driver's side mount.

Did he have to change the front and rear lower crossmembers? And what about axles and getting the dash instrumentation to work with that engine?

Details please :deal:

KoNEY

07-20-2005, 06:40 AM

why not do some cutting and drop in a C32, like the 2nd gen legend motor, I had one witha 5-speed behind it, and I SWEAR it pulled like a damn GS-T, yes the 3.2 V6 pulled a 4,000 lb. car as quick as a 4G63T pulled an eclipse...It surprised me no doubt.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/655000-655999/655510_116_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/655000-655999/655510_117_full.jpg

Or maybe use the C32 internals in the C25 or C27 block...

Legend_master

07-20-2005, 06:41 AM

So from what you are saying...if the C20a or C25a could fit in our cars, wouldn't it be better to put the newer 94-97 Accord V6 in instead?

well the only thing is that it never came in a five speed. You have to modify the 88-89 2.7 tranny to fit onto the 94-97 accord block.

Legend_master

07-20-2005, 06:44 AM

KoNEY

07-20-2005, 07:11 AM

you can also get a 230hp, six speed for the 92-95 legends.
Yeah, 6-speed came in 91-95 I think, only on GS or Coupe models though. I think the 6-speed models had the same 200hp C32, with no power increase going to the GS model, with the exception of the C32 Type-II, which wasn't limited to the GS model, but a revision of the original C32, available in all models. I think it layed out like this...

C32=All models 91-95 Legend, w/C32 Type-II revised in later models (94-95??)
5-speed=All sedans except GS (GS is top-of-the-line)
6-speed=GS Sedan and All Coupes (Coupes were to be sportier)

I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure, Jigga knows for sure...

Legend_master

07-20-2005, 07:56 AM

Yeah, 6-speed came in 91-95 I think, only on GS or Coupe models though. I think the 6-speed models had the same 200hp C32, with no power increase going to the GS model, with the exception of the C32 Type-II, which wasn't limited to the GS model, but a revision of the original C32, available in all models. I think it layed out like this...

C32=All models 91-95 Legend, w/C32 Type-II revised in later models (94-95??)
5-speed=All sedans except GS (GS is top-of-the-line)
6-speed=GS Sedan and All Coupes (Coupes were to be sportier)

I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure, Jigga knows for sure...

actually it went this way

c32 type 2 = 92-95 GS models. Only the GS models with the 230HP motor could get the six speed or 4speed auto. None of the non type 2 motors had six speeds and the 91 model was only availabe with a 200hp 5 speed or 4 speed auto. You can also get the regular 200hp c32 with a 5 speed or 4 speed auto a in all models from year 91-95.

KoNEY

07-20-2005, 08:02 AM

actually it went this way

c32 type 2 = 92-95 GS models. Only the GS models with the 230HP motor could get the six speed or 4speed auto. None of the non type 2 motors had six speeds and the 91 model was only availabe with a 200hp 5 speed or 4 speed auto. You can also get the regular 200hp c32 with a 5 speed or 4 speed auto a in all models from year 91-95.

Sell me your hatchie, I'll trade the CB for it...when I get it running again...

Legend_master

07-20-2005, 08:11 AM

Sell me your hatchie, I'll trade the CB for it...when I get it running again...

sorry man I have a project in the works for this bad boy. I searched for almost a year to get this car. All the other ones I found were either to expensive or not running at all and the bodies were horrible. Whats wrong with the CB, I might be interested in purchasing it.

KoNEY

07-20-2005, 08:14 AM

sorry man I have a project in the works for this bad boy. I searched for almost a year to get this car. All the other ones I found were either to expensive or not running at all and the bodies were horrible. Whats wrong with the CB, I might be interested in purchasing it.
It's locked up, and the engine/tranny is out of the car. I don't want to sell her, like you did, I had to look a good bit to fine the CB I wanted, had to have grey interior, had to be 5-speed, had to be 92-93. I found her, and love it, but it locked. I've just always had something for 3rd gen hatchie's.

ICEMAN707

07-21-2005, 03:50 PM

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/655000-655999/655510_116_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/655000-655999/655510_117_full.jpg...

that looks like a RWD configuration and doubt would fit in our cars. i'm still interested in that c27a swapped into that blue euro 3gee though.

Legend_master

07-21-2005, 03:58 PM

that looks like a RWD configuration and doubt would fit in our cars. i'm still interested in that c27a swapped into that blue euro 3gee though.

nope it is FWD. The motor is transversly mounted, but the car is FWD. I am not quit sure why they did it, but they did. As for the c27a in the Accord, From looking at my 88 legend and looking at my accord I am pretty sure the mounting location are very similar. The problem would be the front radiator support and mount + the hood might not go all the way down. Honestly I would jsut stick it in the rear of a hatch :dunno: .

ICEMAN707

07-21-2005, 04:14 PM

nope it is FWD. The motor is transversly mounted, but the car is FWD. I am not quit sure why they did it, but they did. As for the c27a in the Accord, From looking at my 88 legend and looking at my accord I am pretty sure the mounting location are very similar. The problem would be the front radiator support and mount + the hood might not go all the way down. Honestly I would jsut stick it in the rear of a hatch :dunno: .

you could use those 1/2 size civic radiators. not stock but aftermarket all-aluminum ones that do a much better job of cooling. or perhaps you can relocate the radiator to where the a/c condenser should be if you don't mind not having a/c.

Legend_master

07-21-2005, 04:26 PM

you could use those 1/2 size civic radiators. not stock but aftermarket all-aluminum ones that do a much better job of cooling. or perhaps you can relocate the radiator to where the a/c condenser should be if you don't mind not having a/c.

I saw a guy on the legend forum I was on that stuck a c27a in a 1988 civic hatch. He used the whole front Legend suspention, brakes, axles and wheels. He had to cut the front upper and lower radiator support, then he made his own out of steel bars. The funniest thing I saw on the car was the radiator mounted on the front bumper :lol: . I will see if I can find pictures

ICEMAN707

07-21-2005, 07:05 PM

....OR if you dont have a sunroof and are no more than 6ft 3 in. tall, you can mount the radiator on the roof with roof scoops and the hoses/piping going down the A-pillars. cover the inside of the roof with a custom insulated headliner made of MDF wood or fiberglass.

Legend_master

07-21-2005, 07:09 PM

Chadroper

07-26-2005, 03:07 PM

So a C20 was a 2 liter V-6?

A20A1

03-08-2006, 01:16 AM

There was a turbo legend motor on ebay not too long ago... maybe 3 months back.

getready

03-08-2006, 09:06 AM

i want to see one of these in a 3g. i read this whole thread, its awesome

another question: while looking on ebay for legend motors (seeing how much they usually go for) i saw http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8043601559&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RSCC_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT this. someone should do this, this looks awesome.

87accordHB

03-08-2006, 09:21 AM

It can be done, need custom Axels and mounts but its been done. Still, doing all that, there are hardly none, if any aftermarket parts for the CA27. But if your interested, i have 9 g1 legends all with the ca27. I might let a engine go if serious about buying. Ive thought about swapping for a Ca27 but they are a pain in the ass, I just got rid of my g1 legend coupe 5sp. Halls ass, 145 was my top speed in it but, id do the Ls/vtech swap instead like legend master

getready

03-08-2006, 10:54 AM

are there any 3gs with f20b's?

snoopyloopy

03-08-2006, 12:44 PM

i don't think so. from what i hear, it has the same mounts as the h22 but is much harder to get a hold of. i think someone would sooner do the h22 swap than an f20 swap because of the abundance of h22s available compared to f20s.

getready

03-08-2006, 12:47 PM

would it fit easier? There's a kid around here with one in his newer accord

snoopyloopy

03-08-2006, 01:18 PM

i don't know for sure. but i think it'd be just as hard to get in as an h22. the f20b vtec is closer to the h22 than it is to the f20a or f20b non-vtec. and as i'm sure you know, the newer accords have totally different engines, mounts, etc. as we do. an h22 is basically a bolt in swap for them and they can even use their f22 tranny on the h22. try scouring the board over at www.cb7tuner.com because they know much more than i do on the subject.

A20A1

03-08-2006, 06:28 PM

Overall how much extra weight is added to the front? Seems like it might be an issue if you're not just doing it for straight line performance.

snoopyloopy

08-24-2006, 11:28 AM

so greatdane, do you have any more pix etc. of the blue euro with the c-series yet?
and on a side note, i was at the junkyard this past sunday and they had a legend right next to a 3g with the hoods open. so i did some comparisons with my eyes and it doesn't look like an extremely strenous operation for getting the motor in. but you'd basically have to move your battery and brake lines and redo your a/c, ps, or anything else driven by the engine to the passenger side. and for mounts, there is not mount on the driver's side. or at least i didn't see one (on the jy legend or my gf's c27 96 accord). but there is a passenger's side mount, a mount on the rear crossmember, and the mount on the front crossmember needs to be moved probably about six inches to the right. looks like the blue euro guy moved his about that much too. so beyond that, all you would have to do is figure out the wiring. but it can't be much worse than an h22. i think i may actually try this swap if i can find a 3g shell to stuff it in and get a cheap motor from the jy. i'll keep updates flowing as i my wallet dictates.

snoopyloopy

02-11-2007, 07:04 PM

bump

smufguy

02-11-2007, 10:48 PM

bump

what are you, grave diggin now? :)

ps: whatever happened to the finished pictures since its almost two years after this thread started.

thegreatdane

02-12-2007, 12:15 PM

Last I heard any movement on this is almost 2 years ago when he blew a hole in the pistons and was trying to get forged ones. Nothing has happened since then and I doubt he will ever get it done since he has to put the stock engine back in to pass inspections and then he would have to put the C27 in once again. Too bad.. I had really hoped to see it on the road.
hmm maybe I should buy it and finish it myself? ..naaahh lol :)

2oodoor

02-12-2007, 01:01 PM

I was looking at a Legend in teh JY today while browsing for parts, It looked like a lot of metal for a 3gen. I couldnt find the tranny.. lol
But proof is in the pudding its been done. why bother for the low hp numbers, oodoles of tourque I suppose.

Steve_Si

02-12-2007, 01:14 PM

would it fit easier? There's a kid around here with one in his newer accord

The F20B (DOHC) is a destroked H22A. It uses the cams etc from the H22A found in the Prelude Type-S and Accord Euro-R (the 220HP H22A motors) and makes 200HP in the manual version, tiptronic version is 180HP. They mount exactly the same.

Careful if you order one, there is also a F20B SOHC, a proper F series engine with only 150HP. The DOHC version really should have been called a H20A, would have made it less confusing.

Edit: I should check the date before I go replying to mesages :(

2oodoor

02-13-2007, 04:42 AM

Edit: I should check the date before I go replying to mesages :(
Not a problem, Ive got some of the best information from digging up old posts and getting a reply.
Somebody already dug up this one yesterday, and it just so happened it was one of the things on my mind already: now I need to go back to the jY and look at the legend again, I assumed the transmission was behind the engine and not on the side.