new muffler on order

[lostforawhile]

I guess this is the right forum for this,my glass pack is getting louder and louder due to the baffling becoming ineffective over time,so it's time for a new one, i decided to get a flow tech purple horny muffler from summit racing. a 2 1/4 slip fit is 23.88 $ it has spiral baffles and should kill some of the high pitch resonance. i just thought it was kind of cool looking and at 24 inches it will fit under the back of the hatch easy. besides when someone asks what kind of muffler you have the look on their face is priceless. I figure i better get one and quiet it down before the F&F movie comes out. the cops will all be looking for kids in toyota hatches and you know how much a white hatch looks like a corola gts. the one in the picture is a header muffler with a downturn mine is a straight through one so i can use my aluminum tip. it's towards the middle of the page. the red thrush glass pack is what i have now.http://www.summitracing.com/catalogs/bigbook/2005/septoct/images/065_01.jpg

[FyreDaug]

Nice. A little on-off topic here, but those pricecs for those thrush packs are good. 2.5" i/o 47" long for <40 bucks. Assuming thats american, that puts it about 50 bucks for me. I was quoted 44.99 for a 2.5" glasspack 11" long. So I went with a cherry bomb.

Purple hornies?

[lostforawhile]

yea thats what they call them. i have the thrush glass pack just like the one you are looking at,only shorter. it's got a lot of miles on it,so the carbon is building up in the perforations and making the baffling not work anymore. it's more like a straight pipe now. the one i'm getting is the purple one in the middle of the page,it's just a straight through one not a downturn. i have the billet aluminum tip so i thought i would polish it good and paint it with the purple anodize paint to match the muffler.

[w00tw00t111]

Hopefully you don't mind taking a slight detour for a sec lost for a while but, I was really considering the thrush gp but, I honestly had absolutely no clue what it would sound like on a "rice burner" rather then a 454 V-8. When you put it on I assume you had a cat but what else? And did it give you a reallly nice deep tone or what?
Once, again sorry for the off topic(ness) just thought it was semi-appropriate.

[lostforawhile]

thats all right this thread is about mufflers anyway,yea when i first got it it had a pretty deep tone, remember these motors sound different then most of the civics with the smaller displacment engines,also the vtecs always sound whiney, it had less of a high pitch tone with the cat,but i had to remove it because of damage, in my opinion it sounded like a brittish car,being a two litre and all it has a deeper exaust note. it still has a good rumble but it doesn't cut down on the resonations anymore which makes it more rice sounding. if i had thought about it i would have put a flange on it instead of welding,then i could have just swapped it out easy,i've got my moneys worth out of it,for what it cost it lasted for a number of years,the problem with glass packs is they build up carbon over the years making the baffling not work as well. :lol: if you want a laugh i started it up on ramps with just the a pipe on,you would not believe how loud this motor is. my wife heard it two blocks away. even with the exaust on the volume level in the car is unreal. oh yea,with the glass pack you get that brap brap brapitty sound every time you let off the gas,at least with the carb.

[lostforawhile]

just for a note,the entire exaust system,from where the original flex coupling would have been all the way to the muffler is all fabricated. that does affect the sound a lot too.

[88Accord-DX]

What happen with this wild muffler?

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2050000-2050999/2050019_147_full.jpg

[lostforawhile]

the fiberglass packing is getting less efective with age and the pitch is going up,i'm just replacing one glass pack with a different kind of glass pack. i need to change the cardomain site,i was thinking it was a cherry bomb,well it is but one by thrush, same thing different name. i'm keeping the tip,just putting it on a different muffler. :)

[w00tw00t111]

Wait so lost when you started it up when your wife heard it what was on? Just a straight pipe no cat, muffler etc?

[lostforawhile]

the A pipe, the part that comes off of the manifold with the flex coupling,it wasn't hooked to anything because i had cut the old flex coupling off, i was mocking up the system so it could be welded. i clamped the entire system together then took it to work,removed it in one piece,and welded it all up.

[lostforawhile]

it was cut right where the weld is near the top of the screen,that is the end of the pipe where it comes off the manifold,it's not a bad pipe from the factory, most of the restriction is from the converter back. they put a big pipe from the manifold back to get the exaust gasses into the converter as fast as possible,the hotter they are the better the converter works. from there on back they didn't care. the clamp on there is a hanger,i need to cut those bolts off. my A pipe is fabricated because i couldn't find one that wasn't bashed in at the bottom. http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2050000-2050999/2050019_177.jpg

[lostforawhile]

i decided this time i am going to use a glass pack with a collecter flange on it. same one as in the post, the other end is like 4 bucks, that way when it goes bad i can change it in about 5 minutes. three bolts and a couple of rubber donuts. i thought about getting a second quiet muffler for long trips,that way it would take a few minutes to swap them out, i guess the glass packs not bad at cruise,but it's super loud when you put your foot down. even at idle it's got that burble noise. it just isn't killing that ricy noise at high rpm like it used to.

[88Accord-DX]

I go by the saying "If it's to LOUD your too OLD"
LOL.....

[lostforawhile]

I go by the saying "If it's to LOUD your too OLD"
LOL.....loud doesn't bother me,loud when i was younger made it hard to hear not so loud now, i just don't like that high pitched ricy sound,low pitched loud is a different story.

[Low Tek]

I go by the saying "If it's to LOUD your too OLD"
LOL.....

I like that saying too, but mine is a little to loud for me.. I wonder how one of those glass packs would sound on a 2.8 v6 s10... hmmmm

[lostforawhile]

I like that saying too, but mine is a little to loud for me.. I wonder how one of those glass packs would sound on a 2.8 v6 s10... hmmmmWHAT? I couldn't hear what you said? :bowrofl:

[lostforawhile]

I decided to go with the cherry bomb instead,21.00 and no shipping fee at autozone. it's almost the same as the thrush. http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b205/moultriemanicmechanic/muffler002.jpg the tip is now the anodized red color, it just looks dark in the picture. now you can get an idea of the size of that tip. http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b205/moultriemanicmechanic/muffler001.jpg

[HondaBoy]

i'm running 2 different sized glass packs inline as my mufflers. works well to keep the sound low but sounding deep and clean. i've had this exhaust for almost a year now. i thought i might as well save some money. if you think about it, those oversized polished "rice" mufflers are just glorified glass packs. lol. anyway, take some pix and post em when you get your exhaust on. of course you will, what am i thinking.

[lostforawhile]

Ok i had to remove the paint from the tip because it got damaged,so i did a little more machine work for clearance and for looks, I had a little bit of a problem because i had to have the muffler tip expanded and it was bigger then the inside diameter of the exaust tip,just a little boring work and some clearance for the welds,I'm not sure if i'll go with polished or anodized purple yet, i see a lot of polished but never purple anywhere. I made an aluminum piece that matches the contour of the muffler, it sits on top of it and has a machined grove in it for a stainless steel worm drive clamp. I still have to tig the bracket on that for the hanger. http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b205/moultriemanicmechanic/exaust2001.jpg http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b205/moultriemanicmechanic/exaust2002.jpg

[HondaBoy]

is that the tip you made from billet aluminium?

[lostforawhile]

yea, i just cleaned it up good yesterday when i was working on it. i also machined the groves in the back end of it. it fits good under the hatch,the muffler is 26 7/8 same as the one i'm removing give or take an eighth, i put the tip next to a paint can in the picture for scale http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b205/moultriemanicmechanic/muffler002.jpg

[lostforawhile]

ok clamp is done,it sits on top of the muffler and is made for a big worm drive clamp to go around the muffler. it hangs on the original donuts for the factory muffler. for a note that is what the material for the tip looked like before it was polished. i just bead blasted it was all. i will polish and paint the clamp later. http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2050000-2050999/2050019_229_full.jpg http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2050000-2050999/2050019_232_full.jpg

[Cheeseburger]

looking good tim

[lostforawhile]

Well I decided to paint the tip that anodize gold color,it's not too out there,nice subtle color. when it's dry tomorrow i'll post some pics. it's a candy so you can see through it. http://www.duplicolor.com/gallery/gallery_images/metalcast_wheel_orange.jpg

[lostforawhile]

well just a small update, i managed to find time to have the header flanges expanded to fit the muffler,tomorrow they get welded up, i still have to make the reducer to weld to the other side, the paint on the muffler wasn't worth a crap so it'll get beadblasted off and the muffler will get repainted. http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2050000-2050999/2050019_244_full.jpg

[lostforawhile]

ok the paint is stripped and the flange is welded on,also a picture of the hanger http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2050000-2050999/2050019_245.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2050000-2050999/2050019_246_full.jpg

[Low Tek]

looks nice.. hope it sounds good too.. I think I am goin to do a dual exhaust on the truck and do 2 glass packs.. should be alright on a 2.8 carb

[lostforawhile]

ok i painted it with the high temp aluminum paint,that stuff is nasty,it's in the middle of all the junk,kind of like where 's waldo.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2050000-2050999/2050019_248_full.jpg
think i need to clean up my shop? naaaa
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2050000-2050999/2050019_249_full.jpg :lol:

[Cheeseburger]

kind messy tim lol...

[lostforawhile]

kind messy tim lol... it's my lab it's supposed to be messy!! I can find anything in there in like five minutes,except if it's in the loft,for all i know there might be a car up there.

[lostforawhile]

ok the muffler is done, here are some pics,tomorrow it gets put on the car. if it doesn't rain. i apinted it with the duplicolor ceramic paint. http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2050000-2050999/2050019_257_full.jpg
this is the billet bracket that attaches to the factory donuts it's offset so the muffler is centered
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2050000-2050999/2050019_258_full.jpg
I added a header flange and reducers this is what i've been messing with i welded on cap screws to put studs on the car part
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2050000-2050999/2050019_259_full.jpg

[lostforawhile]

All the work on this muffler and the box is mislabeled!! it's too long!! it's supposed to be the same length as the old one. I did the best i could with it, i didn't discover this until i put it next to the old muffler after it had been removed. i can't use my exaust tip now, the end of the muffler is even with the bottom of the bumper.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2050000-2050999/2050019_262_full.jpg
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http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2050000-2050999/2050019_269_full.jpg
i will get a pic of the entire thing tomorrow,it's too dark now, i had to rehang the entire back of the system and fabricate hangers because the muffler had to sit different. this involved walking to autozone twice and digging through my junk for hours. I am beat. :uh:

[lostforawhile]

ok since i can't use my tip, i might make a trim ring for the muffler tip,the welded part of it is just even with the edge of the bumper so the tip of the mufler sticks out. i might make an aluminum trim ring with drilled holes in it just big enough to dress up the tip a little. i though about pressing bullet casings in the holes for dress up. the flat end. so does anyone do any shooting and have some spent 45 casings or something? just the empty case nothing else. like jesse james does on his handlebars.

[lostforawhile]

ok i made the best of it and made it look good,the muffler wouldn't hang right and by switching one of the donuts it finally literally fell into place. I also made a new billet tip since the other one wouldn't work any more. here are some pics.
making the tip:
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2050000-2050999/2050019_271_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2050000-2050999/2050019_272_full.jpg
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ok finished and on the car
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2050000-2050999/2050019_275_full.jpg
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http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2050000-2050999/2050019_279_full.jpg

[lostforawhile]

I wanted to note believe it or not this thing is quiet now,you think glass pack,but i don't know if the longer glass pack is better and canceling sound waves or what.but it is quiet. the other one was deafening,and with it off the car it sounded like ,what do you call them,those instruments you shake? the packing had completly burned up and was rattling around loose in the old one. :lol:

[lostforawhile]

ok since i can't use my tip, i might make a trim ring for the muffler tip,the welded part of it is just even with the edge of the bumper so the tip of the mufler sticks out. i might make an aluminum trim ring with drilled holes in it just big enough to dress up the tip a little. i though about pressing bullet casings in the holes for dress up. the flat end. so does anyone do any shooting and have some spent 45 casings or something? just the empty case nothing else. like jesse james does on his handlebars.hey does anyone know what size bullet casings equate to around 1/4 inch? i need to find some empty casings to finish my muffler tip but i'm not sure what caliber that is aprox. http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2050000-2050999/2050019_278_full.jpg ?

[w00tw00t111]

Man Tim that is absolutely AWESOME!!! Do you own a lathe? Or is that even what you were using to make the tip? I am looking at getting a glass pack as well but, I don't really like the quite sound but, I also don't like the ricer coffee can sound either. So, I'm kinda confused as to what to buy if you got the thrush glass pack and it's quiet then I know that that's not what I want. Oh well I guess just kinda trial and error except I don't have the money to try and then find out it doesn't work. I'll ask a friend of mine what bullet casing equates to 1/4" and see what I can do. Good Work!

[88eyeguy]

hey does anyone know what size bullet casings equate to around 1/4 inch? i need to find some empty casings to finish my muffler tip but i'm not sure what caliber that is aprox. http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2050000-2050999/2050019_278_full.jpg ?


i'd figure .22 is fairly close (though .38 aren't really that large either). personally, i'd use 9mm even though they're closer to 1/2 in.

see? we texans are good for something! :ugh:

[A20A1]

I like the billet hanger

[lostforawhile]

Man Tim that is absolutely AWESOME!!! Do you own a lathe? Or is that even what you were using to make the tip? I am looking at getting a glass pack as well but, I don't really like the quite sound but, I also don't like the ricer coffee can sound either. So, I'm kinda confused as to what to buy if you got the thrush glass pack and it's quiet then I know that that's not what I want. Oh well I guess just kinda trial and error except I don't have the money to try and then find out it doesn't work. I'll ask a friend of mine what bullet casing equates to 1/4" and see what I can do. Good Work!I made that at work i wish i did have my own lathe. I guess the noise level of the muffler is really a matter of perspective, i mean it's a lot louder then a stock muffler,but it's not really ricy to me, remember i just replaced a blown out glass pack,so it's all quieter to me. this one on here now is a real cherry bomb, i just repainted it was all. Mine is a little louder because i have a complete different system and no converter. I guess ricy sounding is different to different people.

[lostforawhile]

I finally got the stupid muffler to hang right under the bumper, i had to modify the bracket assembly to push down on the muffler,against the tension of the hangers further forward,this was so it didn't touch the bottom of the bumper. I ended up with an articulated aluminum assembly that looks like something that would hang the muffler on a formula car.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2050000-2050999/2050019_282_full.jpg
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http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2050000-2050999/2050019_280.gif
MUFFLER CONSTRUCTION IS FINISHED!!

[lostforawhile]

update while i was painting stuff, i finally repainted the muffler so it has some contrast with the tip. http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b205/moultriemanicmechanic/muffler20002.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b205/moultriemanicmechanic/muffler20001.jpg

[lostforawhile]

:) well it's part of an accord propulsion device.

[w00tw00t111]

yeah
that would be pretty awesome cke.
Hey Tim why don't you get right on that!
I made a thread like a year or so ago asking how and they said to run a little rich and then get an old spark plug and distributor hooked up to a battery. It was one of my first threads. Back in the day

[lostforawhile]

well the way this carb is running,I get the occasional small fireball from time to time anyway,no converter you know,new carb is coming though,it builds up a little unburned fuel at high rpm then ignites
thats an old trick from the fifties with he sparkplug,hot rodders have been doing that for years.as far as anyone saying the glasspacks don't make them quieter,i had to drive all the way to autozone with the muffler in the hatch and just the open pipe,and it makes just a slight difference. get around six thousand rpm and let off the gas to change gears,sounds like a gun going off from that extra fuel. gotta love it. that little pop you hear on a stock system is real loud,it's just muffled way dowwn is all.

[w00tw00t111]

-distributor +coil. Sounds like a plan :) I still think that would be an awesome thing to have except for the fact you would be constantly pig rich :( I know that autoloc makes a kit that can give you a near constant flame. I thought that it taps into the gas tank/fuel pump/line but, I don't have the specifics seeing as though they have a patent and charge some mega money for it.

[lostforawhile]

it's just a relay,it interrupts the ignition for a second when you push the button,at the same time it charges the ignition coil,when you interrupt the ignition the engine blows a bunch of unburned fuel down the tailpipe,when you let off of the button the ignition comes back on and it cuts off voltage to the coil at the tailpipe causing the magnetic field in the coil to collapse and the coil to fire. therefor it ignites thegas you just sent down the tailpipe. beware of these systems if you don't have a rock solid welded exaust also they are highly illegal in some places even if you just use them on the show circuit.

[aerokid1987]

Do you have any video clips or sound bytes of the muffler? I just bought one nearly identical and am going to choose between it and a stainless steel flow thru.

[lostforawhile]

well i have the pics on it also there are pics on my car omain link at the bottom of this page i'll pm you and if you want to give me a buzz i'll take the cordless phone out there.

[TTSpider]

drill the holes to 3/8" and poke some .38 shells in it :-)

[lostforawhile]

drill the holes to 3/8" and poke some .38 shells in it :-)
if i do that i'll have to make one with a slightly bigger outside diameter,thought about it but 3/8 is just a bit too big.

[aerokid1987]

Thanks Tim for your five minutes. The exhaust sounds awesome. I'm definitely going to go with that setup. Thanks man have a good one...

[lostforawhile]

no problem,right before you called I had just had the joint at the back of it welded up,it had been clamped right after the flange,from fitting it together,and it was leaking there and sounding ricy,It only cost me ten bucks to have that spot welded together. I hadn't had any way to get under there and fix it. sounds a lot different and the fumes aren't leaking in the car anymore. the only problem with a glass pack is they wear out every few years,but if you put a flange on the car they are easy to change. that was one reason for all this work,now all i have to do is unbolt three bolts,loosen the big hose clamp and slide the muffler off. if i need to change it. that way i just weld a header flange on to another muffler and bolt it up. I welded the three cap screws to the flange on the car so that act as studs.

[sinisterfuzzy]

those thrush glass packs sound bad ass on my dads truck. he's got a 1959 chevy pickup with a built up 350

[lostforawhile]

I ended up with an authentic cherry bomb glasspack same thing as the thrush,the car sounds much better without the converter on it. very very loud.

[Mars]

Man, sweet work.

You should start selling custom milled parts on here.

[lostforawhile]

I would but I have to work on them when i get a chance,If i had the money and the space,I would probably buy a used bridgeport and a lathe.

[lostforawhile]

drill the holes to 3/8" and poke some .38 shells in it :-)OK,
before
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b205/moultriemanicmechanic/muffler20002.jpg
after
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b205/moultriemanicmechanic/trimpiece001.jpg
thought about changing it to one of those fast and the furious fart can tips,heard you can get a package with a 6 inch tip,a big wing and a hundred stickers. LOL JK