Cam Gear Feeler thread ... formerly GoldenEagle ACG round 2

[bobafett]

alright guys, here is the deal, non of you stingy bastards are giving up their cam gears. so i want to start a new group buy and get another batch made. obviously i dont know what the price would be, but probably in the $120-$150 shipped range, just based on the prices that were paid last time around.

according to the thread mining i have done, it looks like we will need a minimum of 30 buyers. i think we can pull it off, because i am going to involve the lude guys. :)

just post and rally up some interest, hopefully we can commit to this, and pull it off in a few months.

1. bobafett (3geez) - silver (color doesnt matter)
2. derek (3geez)
3. derek (3geez)
4. acidbath (3geez)
5. funkytuqe (preludepower)
6. InjectionIsBetter (preludepower)
7. Shady_Pro (preludepower)
8. 2ndgenludedude (preludepower)
9. ace (3geez)
10. mkymonkey (3geez) - red
11. b8er (3geez) - silver (color doesnt matter)

phydaux ?
ludi mali ?

[Vanilla Sky]

how many are needed to pull it off? i think i have 2 orders right here... don't count me in on that, though.

[A20A1]

Did you look at their other design, the E8S Adjustable Cam Gear?

[bobafett]

how many are needed to pull it off? i think i have 2 orders right here... don't count me in on that, though.

last time they needed 30 orders to make a batch. im HOPING that number has not increased.

and i havent checked out their other designs, do you think the other design would be better?

EDIT: so i checked it out. and it looks like it might be lighter, but i cant see a different in function other than that. also probably costs more. :)

[Ludi Mali]

I wonder if for a 2nd time around they could do it with a smaller group since they already know how to make it.

[bobafett]

i doubt it. but wouldnt that be nice. :)

im pretty sure they dont care if 30 guys with accords and preludes dont get cam gears. on the other hand, i think we CAN get 30 people. as long as it hasnt gone up to 50, or 100 peices, we should be fine...

[A20A1]

Well reducing rotational mass is what it's all about. :)

[bobafett]

true that! :) unfortunately since they would be making a bunch of them, we will need to decide on one type over another, and im guessing people will be cheap and want to get a less expensive gear! :)

[Vanilla Sky]

didn't someone on here run an h22 exhaust cam gear?

[Acidbath88accordlx]

Count me in on whatever type cam gear they make as long as it will work with n/a

[bobafett]

excellent. these are defiently compatible with NA, it doesnt make a different, it should fit any and all a20 motor. a1 a2 a3 a4 shouldnt matter.

1. bobafett (3geez)
2. derek (3geez)
3. derek (3geez)
4. acidbath (3geez)
5. funkytuqe (preludepower)

[Acidbath88accordlx]

Now to find a cam... :omg:

[bobafett]

tons of options. colt cams makes a good "tri-flow" grind....
they are in canada, and i think its about 150-170 shipped USD.

delta cams in tacoma washington makes good grinds too. i have a 272 grind (they claim 1000-5500 powerband) and i purchased a 282 grind for my new motor (they claim 1500-6500 powerband). those are damn cheap, less than $120 shipped, and they give you $30 back if you send them your core, or if you are not in a hurry you can send it to them first of course, and get $30 off your order. they are really good people. also they make more mild, and more wild grinds, if your either a pansy or your crazy. :) he said he would only recommend the 288 for a tuned carbed accord. not for EFI.

also there was a web cam on ebay recently and gude claims to make them as well. in fact tehre is a whole thread on this somewhere, about which cams are available for our cars. :)

[bobafett]

also deltas estimation of powerband is totally changed if you have other mods. my car pulls hard all the way to redline, so the 1000-5500 is bs. also i lost lowend, so i wouldnt say the cam "kicked in" until 3500-4000, but i have headers and CAI and cat and exhaust, all of which lose tq and raise top end. :)

[Ace]

Hey bro count me in to

[Swap_File]

didn't someone on here run an h22 exhaust cam gear?

I looked for information on the forums about this, but didn't find anything.

Then I noticed the A20 cam gear had 42 teeth, but the H22 had 40.

Unless I am missing something, I don't think there would be any easy way to make it work.

I think getting one of these Golden Eagle Adjustable Cam Gears would probably be the best bet.

EDIT: The H22 cam gear does have 42 teeth, but I still no idea if it fits. Sorry for the old mis-information.

[Justanothermike]

Ok so the deal is that there needs to be a minimum of 10 orders per color. So if you guys only want one color we'd need a minimum of 10 people. If theres more then 10 people we can still go with one color, we'll just make more of that color gear. But if people want different colors its going to be atleast 10 orders of each color. So for 2 colors its minimum 10 of each color which is 20 and 3 colors is 30 like the first group buy.

[Ludi Mali]

any word on a solid price or price+shipping?

[Swap_File]

Here is a nice large picture I found of one from last time.

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3562/dscn3267medium4qf.jpg

[mkymonkey]

ok ill take one, red please. :D

[A20A1]

I added a poll, please choose two colors, that way we can narrow down the color choice, and still make everyone reasonably happy.

[bobafett]

awwwwwwwwwwesome. thanks mike your the man.

please fellow bling blingers, lets keep it simple and go with silver so we can get a batch done really really fast. :D

1. bobafett (3geez) - silver
2. derek (3geez)
3. derek (3geez)
4. acidbath (3geez)
5. funkytuqe (preludepower)
6. InjectionIsBetter (preludepower)
7. Shady_Pro (preludepower)
8. 2ndgenludedude (preludepower)
9. ace (3geez)
10. mkymonkey (3geez) - red

[2drSE-i]

how difficult are these to get on, i dont think ive ever read an installation thread on a cam gear

[PhydeauX]

@$#! it.. I missed out on the last one and now a new gb comes out when I'm broke. If this drags on long enough for me to come up with the cash then I'll put myself on for one, I don't care the color..

andy

[bobafett]

how difficult are these to get on, i dont think ive ever read an installation thread on a cam gear

well its not "super" easy. basically you can just undo the tension on the belt and take the 1 nut/bolt out that holds the gear onto the cam, and then slide it off (dont loose the key) but putting it back on was a BITCH when i change my cam, (had to take off gear) cause i had a hell of a time lining it back up to TDC. :)

[Ludi Mali]

any word on a solid price or price+shipping?

[bobafett]

i know a ballpark, and it will be very reasonable, but i can tell you it will be definetly less than $150 shipped, paying thru paypal... paypal is probalby gonna cost $5 or so more than money order, to cover the fees etc...

[b8er]

if its under 150, il take on
put my name in
also, the silver or titanum, whatever, acually, color doesnt matter to me

[bobafett]

cool man im voting for silver i just wnat ot get this over with, and silver doesnt really look bad with anything. :)

[Acidbath88accordlx]

Damn I guess I ain't getting red... that's ok i guess no one can see it anyways right?

[Vanilla Sky]

i really want mine in black, and i'll have to contact my friends here and see if they for sure want one (might have two sold, not just mine and one other).

don't count me in quite yet. i still have to see how things go with work. i assume this will take a few weeks at the minimum, anyway. i won't have the money for another couple of weeks, so if that's not a problem, def count me in for the one, and a possible on at least one more.

[Swap_File]

Here are some pictures of the available colors:

Silver
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/3723/ge440silver8wd.jpg

Titanium
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/8906/ge440ti1ke.jpg

Black
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/6937/ge440black0jk.jpg

Blue
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/1125/ge440blue5rk.jpg

Red
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/9594/ge440red7wf.jpg

You better sign me up for the cam gear group buy, I don't want to miss it and have to wait for another one, if there is another one.

I agree that the Silver or Titanium color would probably be the best. It could look good in just about any engine bay.

I did look into the possibility of re-anodizing parts so everyone could have their own color, but it seems to be very expensive. I was actually looking for a gold color, http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8785/bling8me.gif but it seems it's something Golden Eagle doesn't offer.

[gp02a0083]

TI is the best :bowrofl:

[AccordEpicenter]

yeah ive seen you guys looking for them, if they make them again, buy em up quick. I have one and the quality is excellent, especially considering nobody else makes cam gears for our cars.

[2drSE-i]

hmm...add me

:)

[2drSE-i]

1. bobafett (3geez)
2. derek (3geez)
3. derek (3geez)
4. acidbath (3geez)
5. funkytuqe (preludepower)
6. InjectionIsBetter (preludepower)
7. Shady_Pro (preludepower)
8. 2ndgenludedude (preludepower)
9. ace (3geez)
10. mkymonkey (3geez) - red
11. b8er (3geez)
12. 2DrSE-i (3geez)

[Ludi Mali]

Put me down for one.

[2drSE-i]

1. bobafett (3geez)
2. derek (3geez)
3. derek (3geez)
4. acidbath (3geez)
5. funkytuqe (preludepower)
6. InjectionIsBetter (preludepower)
7. Shady_Pro (preludepower)
8. 2ndgenludedude (preludepower)
9. ace (3geez)
10. mkymonkey (3geez) - red
11. b8er (3geez)
12. 2DrSE-i (3geez)
13. Ludi Mali (3geez)

[bobafett]

awesome guys! i think its gonna happen... we are all going to have to paypal mike, but he hasnt come up with the exact price yet... but at least we KNOW it will be less than $150. so its still a heck of a deal.

anyhow... silver or ti look the best, hopefully we can all agree on one pretty fast. (though realistically i would take a hot pink one if i had to!)

[Ludi Mali]

maybe we can do another poll with just the 2 top colors for those who are in the buy.

[Tired89LXI]

Count me in. Does it really matter what color? Isn't it under the timing belt cover anyway or am I missing something?

[mkymonkey]

ok, i guess if im not getting red :( its not the end of the world. im just happy this is going to happen!

[bobafett]

its going to be under the timing belt cover, but if you think you might be tweaking it semi frequently, most people keep the cover off... but you "should" keep the cover on, just to protect it. :)

thats awesome, very first post, and hes buying a cam gear! sweet!

[gp02a0083]

mabye from the $$ that i sell from the other hatch ill be able to buy the cam gear :sad2: i want one if id have $$ id be put down for a ti one

[mkymonkey]

so when is this going to happen?

edit: by this i mean, when do i have to give the money up? lol

[2drSE-i]

looks like i need to register for paypal quick! just got my check card today, that words just like Visa right?

[bobafett]

yeah u can pay with debit/credit card. or bank funds.. .pretty straightforward. also mike will probably accept money orders, which some times costs $5 less, since he doesnt have to deal with paypal fees.

[PhydeauX]

Has the final price been set yet?

andy

[2drSE-i]

hehe well i got paypal and bought corners (broke one a while back) and bumper lights, so id say im good to go, lemme know when its time

[Deadhead]

Call me a newb, but what does a cam gear actually do? does it make the powerband move up in the rpm range?

If so, fuck yes, count me in, i'm sick of my car not pulling hard at 5500+

[A20A1]

You could move the powerband up or down.

[2drSE-i]

1. bobafett (3geez)
2. derek (3geez)
3. derek (3geez)
4. acidbath (3geez)
5. funkytuqe (preludepower)
6. InjectionIsBetter (preludepower)
7. Shady_Pro (preludepower)
8. 2ndgenludedude (preludepower)
9. ace (3geez)
10. mkymonkey (3geez) - red
11. b8er (3geez)
12. 2DrSE-i (3geez)
13. Ludi Mali (3geez)
14. SwapFile (3geez) sry missed u earlier
15. Tired89LXI (3geez)
16. DeadHead (3geez)

we have half of our quota, i realize not all of these will actually pony up on the cash. boba this is ur deal, lets get this rollin' :)

[Acidbath88accordlx]

ACTUALLY...Couldn't I just use the cam that's in my car or do I have to get a different cam?

[A20A1]

you could

[bobafett]

you can use a stock cam. however, you will have less potential gain with a stock cam. but you could tweak your powerband still...

and yep we have plenty of people. im waiting on daryl and mike at openloop to give me the OK for us to start paypalling them. also they are trying to decide if they want to preorder a bunch extra, to resell, or if they just want to cater to the prepaid guys. its not in my hands, its in openloops, but i have been in contact with mike several times a week, and believe me, as soon as he gives me the green light for payment, i will post up all the info, and we can make it happen! ;-)

EDIT: minimum run is 10 peieces, so we have more than enough for one color! :)

[phrenology]

Better Deal Boys and Girls!!!

Applies Engine Technologies is proud to offer adjustable cam gears for A20A1/3 and BT, BS applications!!! Great deal...I'm taking pre orders right now. I should have them to ship out mid week!!! I've only got a limited quantity so first come first serve. The price $50 plus S&H for all orders, various colors available. Please PM with inquiries. Payment through Paypal or money orders only. The first orders taken will be served first.

[bobafett]

ygpm man

[phrenology]

New Featured product from Applied Engine Technologies: Adjustable Cam Gears
Here you go boys and girls. Brand new beautiful Aluminum CNC machined fully adjustable 5 spoke cam gears for the A20A1/3, BT, and BS applications. These are NOS unopened aftermarket gears for your SOHC 2.0L application made by Volution. I'm offering 3 color choices: red, blue or titanium anodized finish. These are a limited quantity deal, once they're gone, they're gone. The price will be only $50 plus S&H. First come, first serve so get em' while they're HOT!!! WOOT WOOT!!!

I'm offering it this way because I realize they're are a whole lot of you Canadian geez...so international S&H won't be an issue. All payments must be made through Paypal or money order only (Paypal payments will take priority) S&H carrier will be discussed per order but I prefer UPS. Please PM me for details and requests. I will now take preorders but the first to actually complete their order with payment will be the first to receive them.

[b8er]

what with this new deal, i can definalty do this deal, is there a website or somthing here? i would much rather pay 50 bones instead of 150

[2old_honda]

so um, do you even know if those will work on the a20?

[Acidbath88accordlx]

SO... If we have enough for one color can we get another color instead? Say...RED? Please?

[phrenology]

I knew this would be a firestarter of a thread...hehe

Anyway here are the details so all you guys can cool your jets!

Make: Volution
Construction: Aluminum
Applications: A20A1, A20A3, A20A4, BT, BS and possiblely A18/ES/EK
(the absolute A20 fitment issue will be resolved before any units are shipped, so no worries)
Colors available: Red, Blue and Titanium anodized finsh
Construction: Sturdy 5 spoke design, CNC and laser etched timing marks
Cost: $50 per unit
Condition: Brand New in a box
Shipping: US and Canada only (right now) other international orders will be considered please PM me.
Additional costs: Buyer will pay actaul shipping and paypal fees. Californian's don't hate me please add 7.25% for taxes...or the IRS will eat me.

This product has nothing to do with the Golden Eagle Cams Group Buy. I will evaluate the quality and fitment of these Volution cams when I receive them. I will post photos of the actual cams (in all colors) for you to view. If you are interested please PM. I am keeping track of the order in which I receive them. Please put "Volution Cam" in your subject. All prior emails without that subject will be counted. Unless you have a question that I have not answered do not ask questions.

In a way this is like a group buy: I will not start taking payment until I have fully evaluated the product and I'm satisfied. Orders will be filled in the order in which they were received. Anyone who does not pay when I start taking payments will lose their preorder position. This is the price for now but it MAY fluctuate depending on demand. The first group of preorders will receive their cams at this list price. Future orders are pending. I will try to conduct these orders are fairly as possible.

Preorder List:

Bobafett
2drSe-i
b8er
Acidbath88accordlx

I will update the list so don't go bonkers if you are not on here.

[2drSE-i]

alright sweet, just so were clear, ur gonna post pics and all that before we pay?

[Vanilla Sky]

put me down for 2. i'd rather do money order, though.

[Deadhead]

wow, what a steal, please let me know, you have a pm from me..... get me one! i want some performance upgrades lol

[phrenology]

Please guys you're confusing me...if you want to preorder the Volution Gears then either read the rules and PM me or check the other market place thread...I will post a duplicate of the rules there. I'm trying to make this democratic, right? Please Please read and post there so I don't get confused with the GE cam buy. I only posted here to get some visability. :uh:

[phrenology]

Please read this very carefully. I'm trying not to make this too complicated but this should answer most or all of your questions regarding these cam gears. If you don't read the preorder rules then I can't help you if you get passed over on the buy. All PMs regarding preorder should have the subject headline"Volution Cam"if you just have a question and don't intend to order use another subject. This is to keep me from getting confused with multiple PMs. To let all of you titanium lovers know they are more of a silver color, you will see soon enough. Also it looks like there are more requests for that color so it will be first come first serve.

Make: Volution
Construction: Aluminum
Applications: A20A1, A20A3, A20A4, BT, BS and possiblely A18/ES/EK
(the absolute A20 fitment issue will be resolved before any units are shipped, so no worries)
Colors available: Red, Blue and Titanium (Silver) anodized finsh
Construction: Sturdy 5 spoke design, CNC and laser etched timing marks
Cost: $50 per unit
Condition: Brand New in a box
Shipping: US and Canada only (right now) other international orders will be considered please PM me.
Additional costs: Buyer will pay actual shipping & paypal fees. Californian's don't hate me please add 7.25% for taxes...or the IRS will eat me.

This product has nothing to do with the Golden Eagle Cams Group Buy. I will evaluate the quality and fitment of these Volution cams when I receive them. I will post photos of the actual cams (in all colors) for you to view. If you are interested please PM. I am keeping track of the order in which I receive them. Please put "Volution Cam" in your subject. Unless you have a question that I have not answered do not ask me questions. I don't have time to answer redundant questions.

In a way this is like a group buy: I will not start taking any payments until I have fully evaluated the product and I'm satisfied. Orders will be filled in the order in which they were received. Anyone who does not pay when I start taking payments will lose their preorder position and will have to wait and see if I have additional stock. If this becomes a problem I will create a second preorder list for the next batch and you will have to re-apply! This is the price for now but it MAY fluctuate depending on demand. The first group of preorders will receive their cams at this list price. Future orders are pending. I will try to conduct these orders are fairly as possible. Once a particular color runs out you will receive the next color I have, no chances for a second preference because of limited stock. If I can offer you a choice I will let you know before you pay me.

Preorder List:

Bobafett- titanium
2drSe-i- titanium
b8er- titanium
Acidbath88accordlx- red
3gn86lxi- blue
Acid X- titanium
Vanilla Sky- titanium
Vanilla Sky- red
mkymonkey- red
nswst8- red
Ace- red
Ace_14- titanium
halxi- titanium
Swap_File- titanium
myaccord7- titanium
Ludi Mali- no pref.
3rdgenhatchDx- no pref.
w00tw00t111- blue

I will update the list so don't go bonkers if you are not on here.

[phrenology]

ARRRRGHHH

Guys please read my description in this thread or the other one under the GE cam gear buy. If you do not PM me as described in the thread I will either not answer you or reply with: "Thanks but please read the description in either of the two threads" I will not answer any questions regarding the cam gears that have been addressed in the description. All questions about pics, quality, fitment issues, prices, etc. are there please read.

Why am I talking to myself here???? Alright...You will NOT be considered PREORDERED for this buy unless you use the proper procedure...posting in either thread wil NOT count. I will have plenty of pcis of the actual products when I receive them...I am just as eager to slap one of these puppies on to my A20A3 as you are. I will check the quality...the fitment issues will be sussed out and I will run it on my test bed then you guys will have plenty of opportunity to get one. I will not sell you guys faulty or crap products, this is merely an alternative to the GE cam gear buy. Also if you have a color preference please indicate in the PM.

[phrenology]

ARRRRGHHH

Guys please read my description in this thread or the other one under the GE cam gear buy. If you do not PM me as described in the thread I will either not answer you or reply with: "Thanks but please read the description in either of the two threads" I will not answer any questions regarding the cam gears that have been addressed in the description. All questions about pics, quality, fitment issues, prices, etc. are there please read.

MODS PLEASE HELP ME CONSOLIDATE THIS MESS!!!!

Lets put all the comments relating to the Volution cams under my thread in the Market Place...I sincerely appologize for jacking into the GE thread, its caused some confusion on my part.

[3gn86lxi]

p.m. sent!:)

[Vanilla Sky]

PMed.

[Ace]

Pmed

[phrenology]

Nevermind...continue to PM if you are interested I will continue to add names to the preorder list. I will update it whenever I receive new PMs. Keep your eyes on the prize and I will list updates and put up my own pics when I receive them. Thanks everyone.

[phrenology]

Pmed

Ace...no PM received. Try Again.

[Justanothermike]

Golden Eagle Cam Gear group buy is OFF

I like how this guy stole this thread but its all good. if he can get them cheaper you guys should get it from him.

[2drSE-i]

thats a bit premature if he doesnt even know if they fit yet, its just been delayed. we will see, and reassemble the list if and when this falls thru. this will be great if it works out tho.

[phrenology]

Golden Eagle Cam Gear group buy is OFF

I like how this guy stole this thread but its all good. if he can get them cheaper you guys should get it from him.

I'm just giving you guys an alternative to the group buy because I've conducted a group buy before and unfortunately not everyone comes up with the money and someone gets screwed. In this case if these are the wrong product I take the fall not you guys. So continue your group buy if you want, don't kill it on account of me. I've seen bad things happen with group buys...cam gears, flywheels, Konis...it just doesn't work out.

My deal is merely a pre-sale. You pay as you go. I will check fitment and test these cam gears before anyone sends me money. So good luck with your group buy. And please don't be hatin' on here.

PS I did put a plea on there for the MODS to merge my thread and the responses on thread. I just got excited about the cam gears so I posted in the first place that came to mind, LOL.

[Acidbath88accordlx]

I'm waiting a minute to decide now....

[2drSE-i]

no no, you misunderstand

im just saying dont out and out kill the group buy, because as you said yourself, this may not be what it seems. but if what u came up with is what it seems.....its dead :)

[phrenology]

I should have the gears in the next two days. You will have your answers, and your pics, so sit tight until then. :thumbup:

[phrenology]

The list has been updated.

[A20A1]

Well don't just check that they fit, check the diameter and tooth count

and next time post a link to your thread.

[phrenology]

The list has been updated again. I'm logging off tonight and I gotta work tomorrow so it won't be until tomorrow night that I check the PMs and the threads so don't get your panties in a wad fellas. Also I should be receiving the gears in the next couple of days so I will take all the necessary precautions to make sure they're a fit and run proper. You will get your pics then too. Please just read the rules before you PM or you will be ignored...nothing personal I just don't have the time now to hunt down people who can't follow the rules.:banghead:
I will make my best effort to supply all of you who have an interest in these cam gears. Laterz crew. :cool:

[ICEMAN707]

*bump* for thread subscription...

[phrenology]

*bump* for thread subscription...

Thanks ICEMAN...please take a look at the description I have made some slight changes and the list has been updated to include the latest Geez. I'm as anxious about this buy as you guys are so stay cool. :cool:

[phrenology]

New pic...bump.

[myaccord7]

pmed





zach

[bobafett]

willl these have degree increments on them? also, are u willing/able to make enough to cover all the people who wanted these? if not... u should really look into making enough for everyone.. .cause we did all have our hopes up for the openloop group buy, which would allow as many as we wanted to buy gears...

it would be a shame to exclude lots of people cause they didnt see this in time. please let me know what your intentions are with quantity of gears. :)

[phrenology]

willl these have degree increments on them? also, are u willing/able to make enough to cover all the people who wanted these? if not... u should really look into making enough for everyone.. .cause we did all have our hopes up for the openloop group buy, which would allow as many as we wanted to buy gears...
it would be a shame to exclude lots of people cause they didnt see this in time. please let me know what your intentions are with quantity of gears. :)
Just chill I haven't urged anyone to cop out on the GE group by, if these don't work out I urge you to keep your options open. We will have answers soon enough. If they work out then I will get enough to cover you guys.

[bobafett]

well i think mike already got frusterated and said screw the GE group buy... :( so i really hope these work out...

[3rdgenhatchDX]

Pm'd!

[w00tw00t111]

pm'd

[myaccord7]

did you win these on ebay? i posted a link a few days ago with a lot of 10 cam gears, the picture is the same as the auction. and they come in the same color.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4581668551&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT



zach

[Acid X]

I'd hope not.. That would mean that theres only 10 gears, and they wouldnt fit.. Because the cam gears on our cars are 42 teeth aren't they? The ones on ebay are 40..

[Swap_File]

If you count the teeth in the picture, there are 42, but the seller said they had 40 teeth. Either the seller is using the wrong picture, mis-counted, or didn't check. I saw a few places selling similar "SOHC Prelude / Accord 2.0L Volution Cam Gear", all with the same pictures and information. The seller also used the same pictures for his H22 Cam Gear Auctions, and the same picture was posted by phrenology earlier. I tried to contact Volution to see if they are making a cam gear for the A20, but their number was disconnected.

I hope they are the correct item, but I am taking a wait and see attitude for now.

[myaccord7]

i beat they are the ones from ebay. but if they fit, i'll buy one.



zach

[w00tw00t111]

*stupid question warning* What difference would it make if they were 40 teeth compared to the 42 teeth? Also, what benefits are to be had w/ the cam gear performance wise?

[Swap_File]

"On a SOHC engine, an adjustable cam gear will allow you to move the power curve to a specific area in the rpm band as described above. Like moving your peak power on a high-revving Honda to max out at 4000 to 5000 rpm. Typically to improve bottom end power advancing a SOHC engine will do the trick and the converse is true to enhance top end power."

From http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/insidetechnology/0208scc_insidetechnology01a/

I believe that if the cam gear has the wrong number of teeth, the valve movement would no longer sync. with the movement of the pistons. This would be very bad.

[1987HondaAccord]

*stupid question warning* What difference would it make if they were 40 teeth compared to the 42 teeth?

the teeth on the cam gear keep it syncronized with the crank shaft. you want the cam shaft to rotate at half the speed of the crank shaft so that the pistons move up and down twice for every one time the intake valves open. The teeth set this ratio. If there are 42 teeth on the cam shaft there should be 21 teeth on the crank (42 cam / 21 crank = 2/1 <-- 2:1 ratio).

If you only have 40 teeth on the cam gear the whole system gets messed up. now the ratio would be 1.9:1. After about 20 revolutions, the cam will be completely off. if you're engine is going only 1000 rpm, then it would only take 1.2 seconds for this to occur.

thats why the number of teeth are so important.

[phrenology]

Alright fellas. Again I have updated the list. If I have forgotten anyone, messed up your ID name, or messed up your color preference please PM me. I know the severity of the gears not fitting, or having the wrong amount of teeth, etc. etc. So like I said I will check them test them and when I give it a green light we will commence with filling orders and taking payments. Until then sit tight. Alright geez I'm going to bed. :hsugh:

[labeledsk8r]

im interested in one of these but i kinda want to know how well they work before i get put on a preorder list or anything (dont wana have to back out on anyone) Whens the cut off date for takeing orders? ima need to set aside some money ahead of time, and whats the power gain outa a cam such as this (sorry im a noob)

[b8er]

just to make it clear labeledsk8er, what he is selling isnt a cam , is a cam gear and like already mentiond it doesnt really 'ADD' any hp, it moves the power around in the rpm band for where it best suits your driving style, the only way i can see one of these 'adding' any hp is if its lighter which would reduce roationaly mass and stress on the motor but again, it basicly moves the power

[mkymonkey]

so when do we actually get a pic of this thing?

[2drSE-i]

not to mention hes only writing your name down to purchase IF this is the right product. he doesnt expect anyone to pay for junk.

[Swap_File]

... If there are 42 teeth on the cam shaft there should be 21 teeth on the crank (42 cam / 21 crank = 2/1 <-- 2:1 ratio)...

Has anyone attempted to swap both the cam and crank gears, to maintain a 2:1 ratio, but be able to use more common adjustable cam gears? It would probably be more work than its worth (probably cheaper to just buy a A20 cam gear, even if its a $130 golden eagle one), but its an idea.

[2drSE-i]

interesting, i dont think it has occured to anyone. but your probly right, wudnt be worth it most likely

se-i coupe or sedan?

[Swap_File]

...Se-i coupe or sedan?
Sedan. It should be a manual sedan by Christmas, I hope. :)

[Acidbath88accordlx]

So... Anybody know what's going on with either one of these cam gears?:wtf:

[phrenology]

So... Anybody know what's going on with either one of these cam gears?:wtf:
GE group buy...don't ask me. As for the Volution cam gears read the other thread and be patient. I will update you on the other thread as I have info.

[labeledsk8r]

i knew it was a cam gear (typeing and no sleep great combo) but yeah my fault, wouldent gains be posible (if on a allready modded engine) due to the fact of retarding or advanceing the timeing? or is that still just being able to udjust the power band within the RPM range, but again if im putting this onto my stock a20 there wont be noticable gain corect. i dont want to be put on the list till i know i have the funds, i trust the guy and his word and his word was that he would instal,test, and etc. the part before selling. sorry about the length and the fact that im still learning this. thanks

[Deadhead]

What effect do the cam gears have on your mpg?

It looks like they adjust your timing belt, will this cause any problems such as rough idle, timing belt life decrease?

[88Accord-DX]

I think Adjustable CAM SPROCKET is more appropriate for this thread.

[bobafett]

why? do people not understand what a cam gear is? lol

[88Accord-DX]

It don't matter what you call it, sure people know what it is. Mechanics see gears different than a sprocket. No harm ...
Defintions basically mean the same thing.

Sprocket - 1 : a toothed wheel whose teeth engage the links of a chain.

Gear - 6 a (1) : a mechanism that performs a specific function in a complete machine <steering gear> (2) : a toothed wheel (3) : working relation, position, order, or adjustment <got her career in gear> b : one of two or more adjustments of a transmission (as of a bicycle or motor vehicle) that determine mechanical advantage, relative speed, and direction of travel.

[bobafett]

meh... true... either way works. :)

im just ready for pics!

[b8er]

diddo

[2drSE-i]

i get mine after you do boba, so moi aussi

how multicultural of me

[bobafett]

eh?

[2drSE-i]

moi aussi = me too

im ready for pictures as well lol

[Acidbath88accordlx]

Now That I found the right thread...

[mkymonkey]

ok, where are my

PICTURES???!!!!!?!?!one!!!

i want to see what this shit look like

[1987HondaAccord]

correct me if i'm wrong, but i think they may still have to be made. it maybe be a custom run that Volution is doing for these gears. It may be a while before you get your pictures.

[paso100]

THIS IS NOT THE VOLUTION CAM GEAR that Phrenology is getting.
This is a pic of the Golden Eagle gear that some of us have and MIGHT be available.
Just posting for a comparison when Phrenology gets a photo of the Volution gear.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid191/pca04e46341e9b08316c89c619cd97b65/f1cd7205.jpg:cool:

[mkymonkey]

cool......that looks awesome, what sucks is if this falls through none of us will get cam gears... :(

[Swap_File]

Here is what I have found out about the new cheaper cam gears so far.

It looks like user "onefastassinteg" on ebay has been selling the "CAM GEAR Honda 2.0 SOHC" on ebay in 10 packs for around $120 to $130. Here are two of his auctions:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4581668551
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4579382645

Both auctions show the gear as having 42 teeth in the picture, but then I checked his other auctions, and he has been selling H22 gears with the identical pictures:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8002413601

Then I checked out the ebay user "gettnitdone". He won a 10 pack of the cam gears, and is selling them on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8008715649

The picture shows a box that says CP012, and the gear in the picture has 40 teeth (from my counting). This agrees with what "onefastassinteg" said on his auction (but not with his pictures). This means they would be the wrong gear for us. If they are 40 tooth, does anyone know what 2.0L SOHC Honda Accord/Prelude engine would use it?

I have not seen one of these gears in person, and do not know of anyone on Preludepower who has yet either. Hopefully someone will report back on what they find. It would be awesome if they ended up being the correct item.

[phrenology]

I now have a case of the Volution cam gears...here's what I've sussed out so far:

1. The Cam Gears Are New...and in great condition. They were labeled Honda SOHC 2.0 Accord/Prelude

2. The gears do have 40 teeth, not 42

3. I bought a timing belt for an A20 and it does match up

4. I put one up next to an OEM cam gear (it was installed at the time) and it looks like it matches but the diameter might be different...but it was very hard to tell.

5. Volution is out of business or at least does not produce the cam gears anymore and their business site www.volutionracing.com is offline.

Things I do not know:

If it matches the actual cam shaft.

Can it be run successfully.

I will get pics up ASAP...I've been locked into a mad work weekend so I will get them up probably tomorrow morning. I will work next week on sussing out the rest of the answers. So sit tight. I've gotten real busy with work some my time to work on the cams is limited. Sorry I've been incommunicado over the past couple of days on the whole cam deal.

[phrenology]

I finally have a case of the Volution cam gears...
Here are the goods the bads and the uglies:

The Cam Gears are 100% new and in great shape. The colors are pretty good too. They don't look as good as the GE cam gears, but they are the 5 spokes so they look pretty good.

Mechanically I figured out that they do in fact match our timing belts (I checked this personally)...thats good

I have not ran one yet and they do in fact have 40 teeth not 42...as you have varified the OEM cam gears as having...thats bad (potentially)

I don't have time this weekend to tinker with it cause I have a lot of work...that's bad (well good for me bad fore the project)

Because I am so busy it may be weeks before I get a straight answer on this one...that's real bad
If one of you are of sound mind mechanically and would like to properly test one without ruining your engine and see if the shoe fits you are welcome to a test cam gear...that's good (for one of you) or could be bad...PM me an we'll talk.

If these work out and supply and demand are at a good balance I would be likely to do a price reduction for you guys...that's good.

The ugly...if these don't work out then we have to go back to square one and if the GE group by has been cancelled by Justanothermike then I will attempt to pick up where he left off and try to get it done through Applied Engine Technologies...and you guys something that will work. If these do work out I will supply enough for everyone that wants one.

More uglies...I haven't had time to get some good picks taken of them but I will try get them up tomorrow after work. But I promise it will happen. :uh:

[phrenology]

The list has been edited. More to come...still have testing to do, and pics to put up. Please be patient because I want to make sure these work for sure. Time will tell. So far so good...

[bobafett]

ygpm i would like to help see if we can use these

[1987HondaAccord]

so is this thread completely dead? or is phrenology still testing them?

[mkymonkey]

shit i was about to ask the same thing

[3rdgenhatchDX]

yeah if you see this take me off the list, i'm over it i'll buy something else.

[2drSE-i]

hes busy, hell get to testing them

[Vanilla Sky]

hes busy, hell get to testing them

exactly, i'm in no rush. you guys need to understand that phrenology is quite busy. he'll get them tested, and if they work, then he'll get that info out to us.

no worries nor rush from me, man. take your time.

[b8er]

tottaly agree with vanilla, im in no rush either

[mkymonkey]

well im not in any rush either, i just wanted to know if he had pics yet

[BITESIZE]

I'll take one, if it's not to late.

[Acidbath88accordlx]

same here.... no rush

[myaccord7]

here too, not too big of a rush, keep us in touch.




zach

[phrenology]

I've been real busy with work. Still working on it...once we get fitment issues out of the way I should have more answers. It does match with the timing belt despite the 40 teeth issue. I'll put pics up tomorrow with the 3 different colors and close ups of them geared up to the A20 timing belt.
I'm real sorry guys for jumping the gun but we'll get this sorted out for sure! Don't worry I haven't forgotten about these cam gears. :ugh2:

[Cheeseburger]

if everything works out then ill get one bro, hopefully they will be ready when i go up there

[AccordDX86]

Whats the difference from stcok cam gears and adjustable ones? Are there any performance ups? Downs? I really dont know what cam gears do.

[1987HondaAccord]

dude, read the posts further up. its been explained.

[phrenology]

Good News Geez and Gals!!!
The gears have been successfully mated with an A20Ax timing belt and camshaft and the shoe fits...just one more phase of testing and we should be good to go on these babies...:thumbup: Stay tuned.

[ICEMAN707]

hey phrenology, after this, you think maybe you can get them to make aluminum lightweight pulleys for us? particularly the underdrive pulley. combined with a lightweight flywheel it should make for some good acceleration times. :rockon:

BTW, you still have lightweight flywheels?

[ICEMAN707]

you guys think retarding the distributor and having this adj. cam gear retarded as well would be sufficient enough for 16 psi turbo? or do we still need an electronic advance dizzy?

[phrenology]

hey phrenology, after this, you think maybe you can get them to make aluminum lightweight pulleys for us? particularly the underdrive pulley. combined with a lightweight flywheel it should make for some good acceleration times. :rockon:
BTW, you still have lightweight flywheels?
Yeah if you want a flywheel let me know ahead of time cause I haven't talked with my supplier recently but he should be good to go on those. When are you needing one by? As for the under drive pullies its a possiblity...I would have to look into that further but they're would have to be a good number of you guys wanting one. Numbers sell and it would have to be a group buy to start off. :deal:

[ICEMAN707]

what was the price on those flywheels again and the weight? i'm doing a 5 spd. swap on my a20 before i find the time and money to attempt the h22 swap in the spring. i figured i might as well put a light flywheel in there and a good clutch. what do you recommend for clutches? 4 puck ones from clutchnet.com any good? they're relatively cheap and i need to be cheap on this swap cus i need the money for the h22 swap in the spring.

[myaccord7]

you can still get the flywheels right? i still want one, but during school its hard to pay for one. jan or feb




zach

[2drSE-i]

well today is payday so if u have them done and tested i can paypal in 3 days

[phrenology]

you can still get the flywheels right? i still want one, but during school its hard to pay for one. jan or feb
zach
Please lets not turn this into a flywheel thread...there's already like two of those. Dig it up and post there if you have flywheel questions, PM, or email: [email protected] for orders or questions. As for the timing gears, they haven't been run yet so it will be a wee bit longer. When I have results I'll start at the top of the list as it stands. If you are not on the list and you want to preorder then you need to PM me as explained at the top of the page.
Thanks Geez.

[phrenology]

Bumpity Bump Bump...I got pics up thanks to LaurenALexS...take a look. As you can see it fits out camshaft. I'll get the pics of the other colors w/the timing belt up as soon as I can find that damn cable for my digicam. :uh:

Looky Looky:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/phrenology/CamGear4.jpg

Here Too:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/phrenology/CamGear1.jpg

[mkymonkey]

wow! nice...but what color is it? lol

[Vanilla Sky]

i believe that one is the titanium color.

[mkymonkey]

oh ok....cuz it looks brown to me... :\

[Vanilla Sky]

that's the reflections from the brown in the room.

[2drSE-i]

looks like its time to buy a torque wrench

[phrenology]

oh ok....cuz it looks brown to me... :\
No its actually dookie colored. Straight from the factory shine you know!?!?!? :rofl:

Sorry I don't have my computer here with photoshop so I couldn't do an RGB color correction. I was anxious to get the pics posted. I still haven't been able to hook up my camera and upload those other color gears with the timing belt pics. I have to work real early tomorrow and its rumored to be a 14 hour day so maybe this weekend I'll be able to make more progress with these. :)

Yeeesh all I do is sleep...work...work...sleep...eat...poop...work... work...cam gears...work...poop...sleep...eat...work...and of course eat poop and sleep at work. LOL

[mkymonkey]

cool, now im kinda excited! and yes i mean in that way.........mmmmm new cam gear

[halxi]

i just counted those teeth...

dont the accord motors need 42teeth?

if so, that only has 40

[mkymonkey]

thats already been covered bud....read the rest of the thread

[Acid X]

THey aren't going to work. I already know that... 42 teeth != 40 teeth. Timing = fuxed.

[1987HondaAccord]

whoa... you're speaking all sorts of code its almost like....

if ( teeth == 42)
cout >> SWEET;
else fuxored;

^^ all sorts of syntax errors in that...

[mkymonkey]

lol

[2drSE-i]

#include <iostream.h>
#include <lvp/stream.h>

int main()
{
double a20a;
double camgear;

cout<<"Enter the number of teeth: ";
cin>>camgear;
if camgear != 42;
cout<<"well........your fucked!";
return(0);
}


lol who knows, im not really sure

[2drSE-i]

lol

[bobafett]

hmm i should throw down a php or actionscript version of this very compelling code! :) ahaha

[Swap_File]

But by testing the 40 tooth gear we will finally know for sure if the A20 is an interference engine or not. :)

[phrenology]

We will all know soon enough...the cam gears do fit the timing belt for the A20...I've been trying to post the pics but I can't upload the photos of it. They're may be a problem with the timing synch that's why running it is the last step to seeing if it will work. The other option if it doesn't work spot on is to replace the crank gear with whatever OEM Honda crank gear that this is for...trust me I'm well aware of the situation and I'm working on it.

And thanks to those who stated the obvious...yes there are 40 teeth and yes there are 42 teeth on the OEM A20 cam gear, but the spacing is different and the diameter is slightly different too. This would account for the belt fitting.

I just worked me a 12 hour day with next to no sleep...so pardon my crankiness (no pun intended) Humor me while I snooze. :sadwave:

[Vanilla Sky]

man, it's not problem, i'm just glad you're fully testing these things before you are selling them. it shows what kind of stand-up guy you are.

[Swap_File]

Speaking of the possible need to replace the crank gear, did anyone ever figure out what honda engine came stock with the 40 tooth cam gear? I could keep an eye out for the crank gears at the junkyard.

[Swap_File]

...It's feasable that the spacing is different to accomodate the same ratio...

The problem is changing the spacing of teeth will not change the ratio.

Let’s say you have a 40 tooth gear and a 42 tooth gear. A belt meshes up fine to both of them, or at least close enough. Let’s say that the lower gear driving these two has 21 teeth.

For every 21 teeth that go through the lower gear, 21 teeth will go through the upper gear.

When these 21 teeth go through the 42 tooth gear, they will make it turn half a rotation (.5).

When the 21 teeth go through the 40 tooth gear, it will make it turn .525 of a rotation. That means that for every revolution of the 21 tooth gear, the 40 tooth gear will go another 0.025 of a revolution out of sync.

This is independent of the diameter of the gears. The belt will flex, the gears will not.

Just imagine two gears being driven by a belt made of rubber bands. It really doesn’t matter how big the gears are, only the number of teeth matter.

I am still interested in these cam gears, but in order for us to use them, we will almost certainly have to replace our crank gear to match. I do not know if a replacement crank would fit or not, or what engine they could be taken from.

The only other 42 tooth cam gear I know of is from the H22 engine. So far, I have been unable to find one in the local junkyards for testing with. I have no idea if it would actually fit the cam or not, or if the belt would line up (horizontally), but the H22 belt does apparently match up to the A20 cam gear (tooth spacing wise) according to pictures elsewhere on the forum.

Mixing different cam gears and belts could also be a recipe for reduced timing belt life, it all depends on how exactly they all match up. I do not know how much is shared between different Honda engine's cam gears.

I don't mean to sound negative, I would really like this cam gear buy to work out, I am just explaining the situation in the way I see it.

[LaurenAlexS]

I agree with the analysis by SwapFile. I think that disaster awaits those trying to use the 40 tooth sprocket on an A20AX engine. A few rotations and its all over.

I just took the picture(s). I don't endorse this valve bending, head busting, belt shreading experiment.

Sorry.

[Swap_File]

..I don't endorse this valve bending, head busting, belt shreading experiment...
Maybe not THAT bad, according to this thread:
http://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?t=35768
And here is the post about the H22 belt on the A20 gear:
http://www.3geez.com/showpost.php?p=558532&postcount=8

[Acid X]

I still dont think it will work. In PHP terms:

<?php
var $volgearteeth;
var $oemgearteeth;

function enginequit() { die("Kaputnik!"); }

if ($volgearteeth != $oemgearteeth) {
enginequit();
} else {
echo "Yay!";
}

?>

....

[bobafett]

yay for php script!

do u do web programming acidX?

[Deadhead]

wow.... i read that, and actually understood it.... i feel like a geek LOL

I love the kaputnik you put in there

[Acid X]

I used to. My website host is down so i dont really have anywhere to tinker. I used to be really good at PHP.. I could do databasing, simple editing, i could generate images, i could probably write a whole site-management system if i felt so inclined...

Anyway. Back on topic. :)

[newaccorddriver]

I agree with the analysis by SwapFile. I think that disaster awaits those trying to use the 40 tooth sprocket on an A20AX engine. A few rotations and its all over.
I just took the picture(s). I don't endorse this valve bending, head busting, belt shreading experiment.
Sorry.


id say hand crank the engine, atleast you wouldnt do much damage if you happen to hit a valve... atleast its not hitting it at 900rpm with the force of the pistons going up and down

[bobafett]

yes i agree... hand cranking would take a long ass time, but at least u could get a clear idea and take careful measurements before you do damage. :) i dont know how many revolutions it would take before damage happens, my guess is that this would take a loooong ass time. :)

[b8er]

your probably right bobafett, but i would much much rather spend the hour or two or however long it takes you and make sure that the valves wont hit 4 or 5 revolutions in, instead of having to beuild my motor, aha

[Acid X]

Why would it take so long to hand-crank the motor?

[bobafett]

well if its gonna take several revolutions before its off enough to cause damage, then it will take a while to do that.... its not like 2 turns and its gonna damange anything (god i hope not)

[1987HondaAccord]

i'm guessing that it would take about 10 revolutions to be 180 degrees off. You should be able to tell well before that though. basically, if you get 3 revolutions into it, and its already off by 20 degrees, that's bad news.

[phrenology]

While we anxiously await results to see if these babies work let's take a closer gander...shall we?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/phrenology/Sonycam1stbatch007.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/phrenology/BlueGear.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/phrenology/TitaniumGear.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/phrenology/RedGear.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/phrenology/BeltGears006.jpg

Please work little cam gears...:kekeke:

[3gn86lxi]

Will you quit teasing us and figure out if they will work!!!!!!!!
Dammit.:uh:

[mkymonkey]

i know bastard!!!!!

[phrenology]

Yeah I just luv to tease you Geez. :rolleyes:

"Hey if you guys don't settle down...there will be no gears for you!" :slap:

-The Cam Gear Nazi

[3gn86lxi]

Yeah I just luv to tease you Geez. :rolleyes:
"Hey if you guys don't settle down...there will be no gears for you!" :slap:
-The Cam Gear Nazi
Dammit!
No soup for You!

[2drSE-i]

more soup for me? :D

[Cheeseburger]

so who and where are u guys testing the gears?

[mkymonkey]

mmmmmmmmmmm sooooouuuuup

[Vanilla Sky]

i really wish you guys would stop whoring this thread up.

[Acidbath88accordlx]

I like that color red... will look good in my engine bay... god i hope they work...:sad2:

[Acid X]

Any updates?

[Acidbath88accordlx]

Yeah.. I was starting to forget about this thread...:sad2: :sadwave:

[b8er]

updates?

[myaccord7]

i dont think these are going to work.






zach

[Acid X]

Wonder if he found out they dont work, and doesnt want to tell us? :p

[phrenology]

:banghead: No, no, no...The bad part is I sent one out for testing and still haven't gotten any results. I've been busy and don't have time or a way to work on the problem myself. My car and all those tasty A20 parts are still in FL, and I won't be going back until next month.

All of these gears are clearly labeled 2.0L SOHC Honda Prelude/Accord. But Honda only made a couple of engines with that description. Our beloved/hated A20A1/3/4, the extremely rare F20A4 and the oddball B20A3.

Then there's the good part Through careful sleuthing I have discovered that these were probably intended for the rarer, elusive and somewhat mislabled...B20A3...(SOHC 2.0L 3rd Gen Prelude S [88-90] dual sidedraft) engine. I have yet to figure out if the B20A3 head/cam have any serious advantages/disadvantages and or compatibility issues with the A20 series. The only real way is to find a head or gasket kit and try to fit it to our block.

Perhaps Rjudgey has had some experience with the B20A3, I dunno I thought it was only a fluke for the USDM Prelude because they were already making DOHC FI Preludes during this period. Why stay with crappy factory dual sidedrafts and SOHC when you have the ability to produce a more powerful EFI Prelude? I dunno, nostalgia, cost, fuel economy?

So short answer no these are not a bolt solution to adjustable timing. Long answer since you guys wanted to know so badly I haven't given up on you. I'm busy trying to find a reliable source for bulk B20A3 timing belts & crank gears and I'm trying to figure out if they will even bolt up. I also need to examine the consequences or advantages to altering both the cam and crank gears. But as long as we maintain that happy ratio, then things should look good. If any of you have one of these gears laying around then post a pic please or at least count your teeth and I'll see what I can do about getting a cam gear out to you.

:idea: There is a prime example of a B20A3 for sale on ebay that I posted in another thread. But I don't have a place to put it even if I did buy it right now. So unless you guys want to do a little homework for yourselves, then I suggest you chill out or continue on with your G.E. group buy. I will not sell these parts until I'm satisfied that they work and have a practical application on our cars. So you can be disapointed or pissed off if you want, but at least no one here has any bent valves...


I agree with the analysis by SwapFile. I think that disaster awaits those trying to use the 40 tooth sprocket on an A20AX engine. A few rotations and its all over.
I just took the picture(s). I don't endorse this valve bending, head busting, belt shreading experiment.
Sorry.

Thanks for your vote of confidence. :rolleyes:

Anyway those are the facts. If you guys can wait a few more weeks then I can do the job myself at the shop/junkyard. For now the preorder purchase list will remain up but I will not add or remove names right now. :sadwave:

[Acidbath88accordlx]

Ok, it's been awhile and I stumbled upon this... any word on it? :sad2:

[89accordex4dr]

mmm... adjustable cam gears, any update's? Do they work? I'v been lookin high and low for an a20a cam gear.

[Deadhead]

ok.... i'm not in the market for one, but i'm damn curious lol.

you said that you would be in FL "next month" when it was november... sooo... how'd they turn out?

[Acidbath88accordlx]

Good luck with the "dead" thread deadhead...lol well, dead thread for now

[phrenology]

No it ain't dead but getting there. I'm almost proof positive that these gears are for the B20A3 only. Your guess is as good as mine why Volution would make cam gears only for the B20A3 SOHC Dual carbed Prelude 88-90??? That engine was kind of a farce considering EFI was already available in the 86 and the B20A5 DOHC was already in production. Oh well I had two testers flop on me, and I didn't have time to do anything extensive on my car like swaping cam and crank gears. So if anyone has a B20A3 and you want to prove that these damn things work on something drop me a PM and I'll give you a super special deal on a "test" gear. Also if anyone has a B20A3 crank gear that you would like to sell please PM me.

Thanks for your patience and concerns Geez. :ugh2:

[A20A1]

Okay let me get this straight, you invaded Openloops Golden Eagle (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46969) Group Buy Thread and stopped it dead and you didn't even know if the cam gear fit before you started your group buy?

The First Group Buy (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19334) from Golden Eagle was a success.

[gfrg88]

can we just get back to the other group buy, that one is for sure the right one and we dont have to wait for any testing crap!!

[bobafett]

you will need to get ahold of mike at openloop and beg him to revive the GB. his name on here is 'justanothermike'

from the vibe i got from him last time we chatted, it didnt seem likely... but if enough people contact him with an interest, anything is possible. :D

[2drSE-i]

there is no testing left to be done on this one. without a crank gear, which is an uneccessary mod, these wont work. GB ist he way to go.

[gfrg88]

can we get this group buy going again since the the other ones never seemed to work ???

[Vanilla Sky]

well, IIRC, the openloop.golden eagle GB was dead before it even started.

[phrenology]

Thanks for backing that fact Vanilla Sky...no offense Mike but I don't need accusations. I wasn't the one who went and pulled the plug on the GE cam group buy...I have given you all the info I have in a timely fashion.

Since no one has offered up a B20A3 crank gear for sale and I live too far from a j/y with no time, and no car so there will be no additional testing until much later. For those of you who actually own a Prelude with a B20A3I have a whole case of these gears and I'm willing to cut a drastic price drop for anyone who wants to try one out.

Don't give me shit because I'm the one who went out on a limb to get gears for you guys and spent money on a risk. So if you don't appreciate it then go buy something else. No one is holding a gun to your head to buy my gears. :rant: :wave:

[Vanilla Sky]

i just wish i could find the crankgear. all the ludes here are DOHC

[phrenology]

i just wish i could find the crankgear. all the ludes here are DOHC

Thanks alot for backing me on this one Vanilla. Its easy for people to hate, blame, and complain when they're not the ones laying out money to help other 3Geez members. Its all good when I have a product ready to go but when it comes to testing and help or coming up with money (almost) everyone falls through anyway. What kind of an asshole would I be if I sold cam gears to everyone without reservation or testing and we had dozens of memebers with blown engines??? I didn't do that did I???

:wtf: Personally I don't really care anymore. I don't have time to dig through pages of data and play games with ill-fitting parts, and listen to stories about unrealistic/dangerous modifications anymore. You guys are on your own. If you want a flywheel or a cam gear for your B20A3 then by all means contact me...if you want me to make your A20A3 into a DOHC 450 hp fire breathing monster for $12 then keep dreaming.:rant:

[A20A1]

Well I cleaned this thread of all the BS, I hope we can get this up and running again.

[Gemini2003]

I'd be interested!! I'll monitor this thread to see what the prgoress is!!

[Acidbath88accordlx]

Came across this thread and I'm still interested.....

[mkymonkey]

bah hahahahahaha ba haalaaaa cough cough cough hahahahahaha cough ahahahahaha

dude it was ruined! i dotn think its going to happen

[b8er]

bah hahahahahaha ba haalaaaa cough cough cough hahahahahaha cough ahahahahaha

dude it was ruined! i dotn think its going to happen

if your talking about this group buy being ruined because of the other cam gear deal that was going on i htink your wrong, i wouldnt call it ruined cause this buy could still possibly happen if somebody took it up again, seeing has how the other one didnt work out im sure some ppl are still looking to get one soo... if somebody continued this one im sure theres still some money to be made

[gfrg88]

anyone wanna start this again, bobafett?? anybody??

[Cheeseburger]

lol....

[gfrg88]

why cant we start this over again??? its a group buy isnt it?? :dunno: i really want one so thats why im asking :hs:

[XBoom135]

I'm willing to pony up for one or two, depending on price. Can't have enough back-ups the way I break parts.

[Cheeseburger]

i wonder if they would make any diff then stock?

[2drSE-i]

they dont if you dont retard or advance them. if you do it adjusts your powerband. these are the ones that actually work, not the other ones that will work if you change the crank gear as well.

[bigbrat41]

WHAT THA" _____?
Someone Please tell me the status of this group deal. I need one NOW!!:rant:
I have just replaced my valve seals and am at least 1 tooth off of correct timing.:rant:

[b8er]

well the low down is that this was a go at one point then another member had some other cam gears so ppl started dithcing out on this one ( yes i was included ) because they were gonna be cheaper and blah blah, turnes out that the cheaper gears didnt work so that was a no go and since ppl started backing outta this group buy then this cam gear also turned out to be a no go.

i dont rember who started this 2nd group buy but i doubt there gonna step up again, it would be nice to see it get going and yea my word kinda means nothing now cause i said i wanted one of these ones then switched over to the other ones BUT if this group buy got rolling again, im in!, not gonna screw up twice

[A20A1]

Well when Phrenology came in with promisis of a cheap Volution cam gear Mike folded assuming Phrenology had everything worked out... that was the spam that got all you guys pulling out of the group buy.

Fact is Phrenology didn't have a real product ready and didn't come thru. But it was too late, the damage was already done and This group buy was over.

In light of the BS that happned I already EMailed mike asking him to come back... if I catch anyone spamming a group buy again they will be banned especially if they don't come thru (make your own thread and stay in your thread!!!)... this messed up a lot of people and more so on Mikes end because he went thru the trouble to contact the company making the gears... then made us and probably him look bad when we backed out.


Why The Volution Cam Gear Will Not Work!


The problem is changing the spacing of teeth will not change the ratio.

Let’s say you have a 40 tooth gear and a 42 tooth gear. A belt meshes up fine to both of them, or at least close enough. Let’s say that the lower gear driving these two has 21 teeth.

For every 21 teeth that go through the lower gear, 21 teeth will go through the upper gear.

When these 21 teeth go through the 42 tooth gear, they will make it turn half a rotation (.5).

When the 21 teeth go through the 40 tooth gear, it will make it turn .525 of a rotation. That means that for every revolution of the 21 tooth gear, the 40 tooth gear will go another 0.025 of a revolution out of sync.

This is independent of the diameter of the gears. The belt will flex, the gears will not.

Just imagine two gears being driven by a belt made of rubber bands. It really doesn’t matter how big the gears are, only the number of teeth matter.

I am still interested in these cam gears, but in order for us to use them, we will almost certainly have to replace our crank gear to match. I do not know if a replacement crank would fit or not, or what engine they could be taken from.

The only other 42 tooth cam gear I know of is from the H22 engine. So far, I have been unable to find one in the local junkyards for testing with. I have no idea if it would actually fit the cam or not, or if the belt would line up (horizontally), but the H22 belt does apparently match up to the A20 cam gear (tooth spacing wise) according to pictures elsewhere on the forum.

Mixing different cam gears and belts could also be a recipe for reduced timing belt life, it all depends on how exactly they all match up. I do not know how much is shared between different Honda engine's cam gears.

I don't mean to sound negative, I would really like this cam gear buy to work out, I am just explaining the situation in the way I see it.

[b8er]

then made us and probably him look bad when we backed out.


i agree with A20A1, i wanna be the first to personaly say sorry to mike, sorry for backing out and ruining the group buy, hopefully something can be worked out here and get stuff rolling again

['A20A3']

Damn I just stumbled into this thread and that's some f*cked up shit. $150 is cheap anyways and those gears are beautiful. You guys must've been smoking some crack or something.:nuts:

[2drSE-i]

you cant really blame us tho. same thing for 1/3rd the cost. unfortunately we did all jump the gun, but im glad phrenology tried. he didnt intentionally hijack the thread. we want you back justanothermike :D

[Swap_File]

I would still be up for a cam gear group buy, assuming another one is started.


...these are the ones that actually work, not the other ones that will work if you change the crank gear as well.

I didn't think anyone found a alternate crank gear that fit the A20 without machine work. I know I didn't.

[MessyHonda]

yeah if the price is good...i will buy...i got paypal and a slow honda accord...make my automatic roar... im looking for low end since i want to burn out>>>ALOT..i want new tires cuz i hate the ones i have on it

[LXi_tuner]

i could go for this..but not for a while as all of my money is gone and my recent paycheck went to a speeding ticket..

[2drSE-i]

I didn't think anyone found a alternate crank gear that fit the A20 without machine work. I know I didn't.

actually i was to understand that the b20a5 crank gear fit, but its such a rare motor it doesnt really matter.

[Shady_Pro]

so since this buy never went through does anyone have a new or used one they really don't need cause im in need badly for one

[2drSE-i]

Alright guys i have been working the details out and it has come down to this.

I have a friend with a machine shop who is more than willing to make and sell us adjustable cam gears for $100 dollars each. These will be CNC machined from billet aluminum. i may even be able to talk him down on the price some. The only hold-up is that he needs an adjustable cam gear to start with. i would be willing to put up $150 to purchase a golden eagle cam gear so that production on these could begin. Yes, they will be of the upmost quality. This is still in the developement stage and i would need to show him the cam gear before he could begin producing them, to be sure that he has the necessary tools. Interested?

3g Accord/2g Prelude Adjustable Cam Gear (no particular order):
1. stat1k
2. 89cordlxi
3. newaccorddriver
4. TJX
5. Swap_File
6. AccordRacing21
7. gfrg88
8. mkymonkey

[stat1K]

interested

[2drSE-i]

figured alot of people would be. only hindering point is finding a golden eagle one.

[Pico]

Count me in

[newaccorddriver]

count me in. wasnt there a guy selling a cam gear not too long ago here, or did it already sell?

[2drSE-i]

it was jumped on damn near immediately... all i really need to do is borrow one, i would be happy to send collateral

[AccordRacing21]

I'm in.

[gfrg88]

count me in :thumbup:

[Swap_File]

Count me in too.

[TJX]

I'm in too, I'll link this to prelude power and see if that helps us find one.

[LiTtLe xOx BitT]

What would be in it for the person who donated the cam gear??

[mkymonkey]

a blow job from a midjet ^^^^


count me in

[AccordRacing21]

a blow job from a midjet

Well in that case, I will not sleep until I find one.

[2drSE-i]

What would be in it for the person who donated the cam gear??


im sure i could work something out, like a free cam gear, or at least cost of shipping and materials. thats for whoever lets me borrow their gear. List is at top, add to it as you please.