has anyone swapped in a b series without using the place racing mount kit? [Archive] - 3geez.com

Accordtheory

11-07-2005, 02:34 PM

It seems to be rather difficult to source a set of these, so I was wondering if anyone has used a different method of doing this. Possibly using mounts intended for another car like the crx, or just stock integra mounts with custom brackets..

Specifically, what I want to know is will the driver's side mount from the b series position the engine correctly in the 3g bay? If that mount is right, I can easily fabricate everything else to accomodate integra style mounts. I remember seeing pics of one partially completed setup, but I don't know if it actually turned out legit or what.

Also, does anyone happen to know what the difference is between the 90-91 and 92-93 integra mounts? How about if the side and back mounts are the same between the 92-93 and 94+ integra? I asked this on H-T and those guys didn't have shit to say.

masterkillalw

11-07-2005, 02:41 PM

well look for the thread that says B series mounts or something of the like...I have pics in there with a B18A1 in my 2nd gen prelude which is very close to ur accord and I did not use the place racing mounts...

Cheeseburger

11-07-2005, 02:43 PM

u would have to get something custom

here is a 3g with a H22 in it
http://3geez.com/showthread.php?t=42713

Accordtheory

11-07-2005, 04:56 PM

I have pics in there with a B18A1 in my 2nd gen prelude which is very close to ur accord and I did not use the place racing mounts...

So you're the guy I was thinking of with the pics..Well, doesn't exactly answer any of my questions..I mean, I know it can be done, I just want to know most specifically about that driver side mount in the 3g chassis, and what the differences are between the various integra mounts..

by the way, I've read every thread here on b series swaps, and asked on on honda-tech, to no avail. Those guys on honda-tech frown on anything different..

Right now my # 1 question is will a stock type (non motor swap) integra driver's side mount position that side of the engine correctly with respect to front/ back and right/left. I'm not a rookie, I can easily fab up the other brackets and whatever I need, for those of you that remember, I built my Entire old turbosystem myself, and I'm considerably better at welding/fabrication now. I'm just trying to figure out as much as I can before I start dropping money on shit that I don't necessarily need. I was strongly considering buying project lxi's PR mounts, he was supposed to email me pics, but he hasn't responded to several pm's and I want to get this shit going!

Accordtheory

11-07-2005, 05:01 PM

u would have to get something custom

Thanks, cheeseburger. Very helpful..:)

masterkillalw

11-07-2005, 05:03 PM

well If u look at one of the pics it shows that I cut the stock mounting piece to allow for me to move the STOCK Integra mount where it needs to be...next step is gonna be making something to go around the mouint on the sides to slide the bolt in...I will see what I can come up with...

masterkillalw

11-07-2005, 05:07 PM

here is a picture. Not very good but its a 3 min job...

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMTEyMjMwMDZzNDEzZGZkMzF5NTQx.jpg

Accordtheory

11-07-2005, 05:24 PM

that's funny shit, you beat me to posting that pic by like 1 minute!..Anyway, your prelude has different mounts than the 3g.. The front and back mounts are obviously different, I don't know about that driver's side one. Shit, your whole bay is different. The distance from that bracket to the axle centerline is probably different too. I haven't even tried to fit the teg mount into my driver's side bracket yet, I don't have any of those mounts lying around. One of my friends probably does though.

masterkillalw

11-08-2005, 06:55 AM

yea my lude isn't as wide or something like that...but for the front tranny mount I used the front crossmember of the Integra...made it fit like cake in a fat kids mouth...the rear mount sits right on my rear crossmember...drill holes through that and throw some bolts in that and its all good...only other thing is the tranny mount on the far psg side...I am gonna put it on and then make the bracket for that...

Accordtheory

11-08-2005, 09:45 AM

What's your technique for making sure the mounts all have the right amount of weight on them, an that the engine sits perfectly level at the same time?

the way I understand it, the 2 side mounts are supposed to hold the weight, and the front and back are mostly to handle the torque from turning the driveaxles..? So it seems like you would have to take the weight off the front and back mounts before you put the side one on, I guess..

ICEMAN707

11-08-2005, 10:38 AM

SteveDX89

11-08-2005, 03:08 PM

ICEMAN707

11-08-2005, 03:26 PM

Well, true. The Acura TSX K24 block mated to an Acura RSX Type S K20A head would be a better engine if one could manage getting that in a 3gee. :rockon:

SteveDX89

11-08-2005, 05:52 PM

Well, true. The Acura TSX K24 block mated to an Acura RSX Type S K20A head would be a better engine if one could manage getting that in a 3gee. :rockon:

TSX head = RSX Type-S head

Cant Stop

11-08-2005, 06:15 PM

just need lots o gas and plenty of steel

torch solves all o and a sawsall dont hurt either!

masterkillalw

11-08-2005, 07:54 PM

What's your technique for making sure the mounts all have the right amount of weight on them, an that the engine sits perfectly level at the same time?
the way I understand it, the 2 side mounts are supposed to hold the weight, and the front and back are mostly to handle the torque from turning the driveaxles..? So it seems like you would have to take the weight off the front and back mounts before you put the side one on, I guess..

well the engine is supposed to sit back just a lil bit...keeping the engine level is no big deal either...I just eye-balled it...no big deal...

Accordtheory

11-09-2005, 12:05 PM

I've already done a big writeup on this topic in a previous thread:
http://www.3geez.com/showthread.php?t=38571&page=6
Hope that helps. Trust me, the H22 is takes as much work to put in than a B series if you are gonna go custom anyways. So why not try a better engine?

As I stated in my first post, I've already read every thread about the b series swap, and nowhere in any of those threads is the specific info I'm looking for. No offense, I know you didn't write the whole thing, but that big multiple page, multiple contributing writeup is almost worthless. It has hardly any real info, mostly it is just people saying they want the pri mounts to use them or to be able to coply them, which I highly doubt anyone will ever do.

It doesn't answer my question about the driver's side mount, which integra mounts to use, etc, etc..shit, it doesn't even answer my current question, how the hell is the PRI back mount set up?

p.s. Yeah, sure, I would rather have an h22, but my decision has already been made, I already have the too much b series shit.

ICEMAN707

11-09-2005, 01:00 PM

well pretty much my writeup tells you what you need to know. you can use stock b-series mounts if you can modify the frame and front and rear crossmembers with new weld-in brackets to fit them. OR you can keep the frame stock but you have to design new mounts to fit the b-series to the frame. simple as that. after that all you have to worry about is wiring and axles....wiring being the hardest part.

Accordtheory

11-09-2005, 02:52 PM

The post does Not tell me all I need to know. I need to know about the driver's side mount. Check out the pic with the yellow place racing mounts. Now look at the driver's side mount, and see how it is Below the level of the bracket connecting from the engine. I have never seen an integra mount that is like that, I've only seen them Above the level of that bracket. Look at the other pic, which is a stock integra mount, or check out this site http://www.innovativemounts.com/products.htm and look at all the b series driver side mounts. In other words, with a stock style integra mount, it seems like the engine would sit lower. I don't know if this is good or bad, or what. What I would really like to see, but won't, is a Legit b series transplant completed using factory integra mounts. By the way, the innovativemount site also claims to have a kit for a crx that will fit a vtec b18/b20 without hitting the hood..my friend's crx used factory mounts and he did have to trim his hood. Maybe lowering the engine a little from where the PRI kit is wouldn't be too bad.http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/2/web/614000-614999/614870_15_full.jpghttp://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMTEyMjMwMDZzNDEzZGZkMzF5NTQx.jpg

SteveDX89

11-09-2005, 05:08 PM

The rear uses the 90-93 teg tranny bracket. There is a mount that bolts in the stock location and lines up with the tranny bracket. Put the bolt through and tighten the nut. Nothing complicated.

Accordtheory

11-09-2005, 05:22 PM

I guess you replied before I edited my post..weird..your reply didn't show up immediately after I edited it, but yeah, I figured that out after I saw a pic of the 90-93 stock rear mount.

what do you think about the engine height issue?

SteveDX89

11-09-2005, 07:21 PM

Well, with the PRI kit, the B16 clears the hood no problem. When you start getting into B18's and B20's, it becomes a problem since the block is 7 mm taller. I believe some guys had to bang on the hood supports with a mallet to clear it.

masterkillalw

11-09-2005, 07:30 PM

newaccorddriver

11-09-2005, 07:33 PM

im just a little curious steve, did you swap in your b16 with custom mounts?

Cant Stop

11-09-2005, 07:37 PM

shot my mouth off and erased it.

Accordtheory

11-09-2005, 08:51 PM

ok and with the stock Integra mount on the drivers side, I am gonna have to LIFT it up some and thats why there is the new brackets getting welded in...thats why I said they were getting weld in right there...I also said that I was gonna have to level the engine with this mount as well..

Why are you going to have to lift it? What problems are posed by it sitting lower than the PR kit would be? And yes, I will remember to consider that you are rolling with a prelude, not a 3g..

SteveDX89, you always have something to say.. What do you think would happen if your engine were 1.5-2 inches lower or whatever it would be with the integra mounts?

And what about the back mount? Does the engine have to be perfectly parallel to the ground or what, because if the back mount positioned the back of the engine the same between the pri kit and factory integra, even if the engine was at a different angle, or tilt, front to back, because of the other 2 mounts, the position of the axles would be basically the same.

Cant Stop

11-10-2005, 09:25 AM

i see no reason why it cant be a little low
just make sure the axles have full range of motion and the motor dont scrape the road, shift linkage might be affected but maybe not by much.

Accordtheory

11-10-2005, 10:09 AM

i see no reason why it cant be a little low
just make sure the axles have full range of motion and the motor dont scrape the road, shift linkage might be affected but maybe not by much.

dang, you ruined my plans..I wanted to get in on a litttle motor scrapeage action..

Accordtheory

11-11-2005, 09:44 AM

Damn this is pissing me off! I wish I could see a 3g in person with a b series, then I would know exactly what I can get away with. Maybe I can get a close enough idea with a measuring tape though..

Accordtheory

11-13-2005, 09:55 PM

Well, fuck it, I'm doing it. I'll post pics as I fab the necessary shit..

SQ is the SQUAD

11-14-2005, 06:32 PM

here is a picture. Not very good but its a 3 min job...
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wMTEyMjMwMDZzNDEzZGZkMzF5NTQx.jpg

i am trying to use something like this if i ever get the piecees, they are from a 96-00 civic

its the tranny mount. our factory tranny mount bracket unbolts from the frame, just spot weld this shit in, or spot weld a 90-93 teg part in

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/2975/trannymount16iq.jpg

http://img485.imageshack.us/img485/7712/trannymount26sc.jpg

90-93 teg tranny mount bracket

http://img419.imageshack.us/img419/6716/tegtrannymount.jpg