B-Series + 86 Hatch = this thread..(56K NO WAY)

[Legend_master]

Required to do this swap

Place Racing Motor Mounts (these have been discontinued, but a forum member built his own mounts (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49200&highlight=b-series)) EDIT: Innovative has decided to start making B-swap mounts again. (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70868&highlight=Innovative) I cannot confirm that these will work with all the parts I have listed here, but it is very likely that they will.
Passenger Axle: 87-89 Acura Integra Passenger Side Axle (A little long, but it works)
Drivers Axle: The center shaft of the axle comes from the passenger side of the 86-89 accord. The ends (parts that connect to the hub, and to the transmission) are from an 88-91 Integra. This axle was put together for me by a professional axle shop, almost any axle repair place should be able to do it for you.
(88LXi68 (http://www.3geez.com/forum/member.php?u=22), is running a 3rd generation(88-91) prelude drivers side axle for this application. I have not tried it out myself, but he has been running the PRI mounts much longer then I have)
Place racing custom shift linkage (also discontinued, so good luck). This is an easily fabbed item. All you need is the stock Accord shift Linkage with and integra end (scroll down for comparison pictures).
Custom Engine and Sub harness to convert to OBD-1 (I purchased mine from Rywire (http://www.rywire.com) )
Factory 86-89 Lx-i Accord Throttle cable (will work with a GSR throttle body bracket, and maybe others.)
You can use a factory 86-89 Accord clutch cable but it is a little long. I recommend using an 87-91 Acura Integra clutch cable, it fits just right in the engine bay.
You must use the rear engine/transmission mount bracket from a 90-93 Integra.


I used the factory 86-89 Accord fuel line, it bolts right on. With the coolant hoses I had to use the upper radiator hose from the Accord with no problems, and the factory B-series lower radiator hose. With the lower hose you will have an issue if you are using the factory Accord radiator. The lower hose has a larger diameter then the Accord hose, Just make sure to use a very sturdy clamp on the hose that you can tighten with a screw driver or ratchet.

I also did a wire tuck to clean up the engine bay a little that can be found here (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52544&highlight=wire+tuck) .

Small video of the car in action (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrbYhpOPhII)

Here are the specs on the motor
1991 B18a bottom end
Stock pistons bored .20 over
ARP head and rod bolts
Fully balanced/shot-peened and all parts were coated
New GSR/R Fuel pump and water pump
Lightened flywheel
GSR head Milled just a little
Cosmetic thin head gasket
STR Cam gears
AEBS intake manifold with stock GSR TB
Ebay Megan racing header modified with a 2.5 Collector
2.5" Pipeing all the way back to a vibrent Racing muffler.

Check here (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53217) to see my suspension setup.

Installed
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/a010bb6a.jpg
Here is the Transmission Side Mount
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/Trannymount.jpg
With out the engine installed
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/Trannymountnoengine.jpg

Here is the Block mount
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/Blockmount.jpg

Shift linkage End
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/0bff735f.jpg
Shift Linkage (Factory on top/PRI on the bottem)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/5dd2b0b8.jpg
Another comparison
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/shiftlinkagecomparison-1.jpg

Engine Install Shot
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/Install.jpg
Side Shot

[Legend_master]

Cleaning up my thread...

[Deadhead]

Nice job, Did you get ahold of a pair of the placeracing mounts? Or did you custom fab your own?

Hope you figure out the fuel problem.... and hopefully it's not a wiring problem and the fuel injectors are just clogged.

[Lok]

Congrats Legend Master for you car, superb work!!!!!nice N/A sleeper!!!
Enjoy your new LS/VTEC engine.
I think you are over 190hp with that set-up? with a nice ECU.
Try also to change the LS tranny with a jdm S1 or Y1 tranny.

[Legend_master]

Nice job, Did you get ahold of a pair of the placeracing mounts? Or did you custom fab your own?

Hope you figure out the fuel problem.... and hopefully it's not a wiring problem and the fuel injectors are just clogged.


thanks, I hope that it's easly fixable, but I won't know untill next paycheck:mad: .


Congrats Legend Master for you car, superb work!!!!!nice N/A sleeper!!!
Enjoy your new LS/VTEC engine.
I think you are over 190hp with that set-up? with a nice ECU.
Try also to change the LS tranny with a jdm S1 or Y1 tranny.

I think I am close to 190 at the motor, but I wish I was close to that at the wheels. I wanted an S1 or Y1, but they are rare and vary expensive. I got this tranny for $150.00 and the only Y1 I can find is $500.00.

[PortugalFocus]

Looks like a lengthy job but I hope you get the injector problem sorted out.

What's the deal with no timing cover?

[3rdgenhatchDX]

with a nice ECU.
Yeah a hondata!

Nice job!

[Sporno]

i love the pic of the engine going into the engine bay

[Legend_master]

Looks like a lengthy job but I hope you get the injector problem sorted out.
What's the deal with no timing cover?


Theres no need for it, I have had lots of friends drive around for years without one.


Yeah a hondata!

Nice job!

I am running uberdata right now for the ease of tuning myself, but I can't really tune it untill I get it running:ugh: .


i love the pic of the engine going into the engine bay

There is something about that lighting that makes it look like art:deal: .

[JDMH22aAccord3g]

sounds like a nice and solid set up on the motor. good job, good luck getting it to run right.

[Legend_master]

sounds like a nice and solid set up on the motor. good job, good luck getting it to run right.


thanks we will se how it turns out.

[wprocomp]

hey when we gonna meet up I wanna see this car man,I need to see wether or not I wanna put this b-series in the accord or not,looks awesome though man,last i saw that car was when ace had it

[Legend_master]

hey when we gonna meet up I wanna see this car man,I need to see wether or not I wanna put this b-series in the accord or not,looks awesome though man,last i saw that car was when ace had it


we need to have a TX meet or something, actually od2681 was the previose owner of the car.

[wprocomp]

hey you gonna do rear disc swap at all,there was an sei at the yard about 2 weeks ago,if its still there I might be able to go get the disc off it

[Legend_master]

hey you gonna do rear disc swap at all,there was an sei at the yard about 2 weeks ago,if its still there I might be able to go get the disc off it


I have already done it. You should still pull that swap and sell it.

[AccordEpicenter]

looks great! Hope you turn some quick times with it

[SteveDX89]

Good work. I see you tried to paint the mounts like I did. What a waste. LOL! That shit scratched right off. Anyway, good to see another B-series up and running.

[Deadhead]

So what's your next project? B18 turbo? :D

[w00tw00t111]

Nice! Congrats on all the work. Now give us all the low down. How long to complete the swap? Place Racing mounts or Custom Fab? Good job either way. I can't wait to hear how this thing drives.

[BITESIZE]

Noice!

[Marshall]

nice

[Legend_master]

Nice! Congrats on all the work. Now give us all the low down. How long to complete the swap? Place Racing mounts or Custom Fab? Good job either way. I can't wait to hear how this thing drives.

Well it took me a year or so to collect all the parts an build the motor, but to pull the other engine out and slap this one in it only took 2 days. If I get it running tonight then it will have only taken me a week or so to get it going. I used PLace racing mounts and shift linkage, Rywire (http://www.rywire.com/store/index.php) engine harness (still under construction), and I used factory integra axles (but I don't know how well they work just yet).


So what's your next project? B18 turbo?

All just keep that my little secret:deal: , even though wicked already beat everybody to a turbo B-series:mad: J/K.


Good work. I see you tried to paint the mounts like I did. What a waste. LOL! That shit scratched right off. Anyway, good to see another B-series up and running

I figured it wouldent last, but I really dident like those yellow mounts :ugh: .

and thanks to everybody else for the good replies:)

[gp02a0083]

my hatchie envys yours :bowrofl:

[TWOLOUDNPROUD]

My God that 86 Hatch is full of:rice: :bowrofl: :mod:

[Deadhead]

My God that 86 Hatch is full of:rice: :bowrofl: :mod:

:slap:

[Hash_man_Se_i]

Looks awesome... I tried replying at work earlier guess that didnt work though.

Good luck getting he up and running, I'm sure it will be fun once you do.;

[od2681]

omg just saw this thread...i so wana drive the car now

[Legend_master]

:slap:

:werd:


Looks awesome... I tried replying at work earlier guess that didnt work though.

Good luck getting he up and running, I'm sure it will be fun once you do.;


Thanks, did you reply on H-T today?



omg just saw this thread...i so wana drive the car now

You already drove this car :deal: .

[od2681]

yeah but with slow ass engine..not that one..haha

[EricW]

Looks great. :rockon:

[Legend_master]

yeah but with slow ass engine..not that one..haha

:deal: :sadwave:

[Cheeseburger]

sweet job bro!!!!!!!!

[od2681]

:deal: :sadwave:
no i mean i drove it with the old engine..i wana drive it with this one...hmm..can we have tex meet..muhhahahaha

[Hash_man_Se_i]

Thanks, did you reply on H-T today?

Yup... I usually just lurk on h-t... but I figured your thread was worthy of a post haha.

[ICEMAN707]

wow looks damn good. hope you figure out that fuel problem. check to see if you are getting current to the injectors with a voltemeter. if so, it might be bad injectors seized up from sitting in a j/y for a long time. if not, then it might be in the wiring. or just the wrong type of injectors maybe. if that is a 94+ gsr engine, it might be set up differently...maybe saturated or peak and hold? :dunno: ask wickedaccord, he almost has the same setup as yours.

[Legend_master]

wow looks damn good. hope you figure out that fuel problem. check to see if you are getting current to the injectors with a voltemeter. if so, it might be bad injectors seized up from sitting in a j/y for a long time. if not, then it might be in the wiring. or just the wrong type of injectors maybe. if that is a 94+ gsr engine, it might be set up differently...maybe saturated or peak and hold? :dunno: ask wickedaccord, he almost has the same setup as yours.


OK everybody ITS ALIVE!!!!!!!! The sensor wire for the TDC and the crank angle in (the dizzy) were mixed up on the harness. I switched them and the car started without a problem. It sounds like it is running well, but I have an open header on it now and it is too late to run it very long. As soon as I can get it running well and I break in the motor I will post up some vids for you guy. If anybody wants info on the harness go to Rywire (http://www.rywire.com/store/index.php) and call or email them. They made my Engine and sub harness.

I would like to throw out some props to everybody that helped to get this swap done. Thanks everybody

[Hash_man_Se_i]

Congrats man, be sure to get up vids when u can.

WHats next for the car?

[Legend_master]

Congrats man, be sure to get up vids when u can.

WHats next for the car?


Some slipstreams and then I have to get a real Job before I build my All-motor b20vtec. I might put a small turbo on this motor for the time being :eatarrow: .

[ICEMAN707]

hey legend, make sure you make a how-to on this, especially the wiring. good luck, hope it runs better now than with the a20. let us know how it feels.

[Legend_master]

hey legend, make sure you make a how-to on this, especially the wiring. good luck, hope it runs better now than with the a20. let us know how it feels.


Well the wireing was all done by rywire, but I had to do a little cleanup on the harness to make it work. I will take some pictures and do as much of a DIY as I can. I hope it will run better with the b18 in there to (even though I know it will :) ).

[Bglad420]

How much was the harness???? Great work BTW.......

[Legend_master]

How much was the harness???? Great work BTW.......

well you should talk to rywire, because mine was a test harness and they gave me a really cheap price. Hit them up and they will give you a great price.

[ICEMAN707]

oh yeah, how did the 90-93 teg axles work out? they fit well?

[Legend_master]

oh yeah, how did the 90-93 teg axles work out? they fit well?


the drivers side fit with no problem, but the passenger looks a little cramped. I will go with the 86-89 teg axle when I have to replace that one.

[ICEMAN707]

you mean it's too long or it still fits? have you tried the stock a20 passenger axle?

[Legend_master]

you mean it's too long or it still fits? have you tried the stock a20 passenger axle?


It still fits, if you remove the dust ring from the back of the hub. It only took about 30 sec to get the ring off, but I am kinda worried about dirt getting in there. The axle just looks like it might be binding, but I can't tell untill I drive the car. The a20 axle had a thicker diameter then the holes of the tranny.

[ICEMAN707]

It still fits, if you remove the dust ring from the back of the hub. It only took about 30 sec to get the ring off, but I am kinda worried about dirt getting in there. The axle just looks like it might be binding, but I can't tell untill I drive the car. The a20 axle had a thicker diameter then the holes of the tranny.

are both b-series axles the same length? if so, the tranny might NOT be centered properly with those placeracing mounts. if not, maybe the driver's side is a tad shorter and maybe you should try using two of those?

also, do you think you are getting even weight distribution on the left & right of the car with the engine/drivertrain placement with those mounts?

[Legend_master]

are both b-series axles the same length? if so, the tranny might NOT be centered properly with those placeracing mounts. if not, maybe the driver's side is a tad shorter and maybe you should try using two of those?

also, do you think you are getting even weight distribution on the left & right of the car with the engine/drivertrain placement with those mounts?

Well the passenger side integra axle is shorter then the drivers side, so in all reality going with the 86-89 integra axles would be smarter then removing the dust ring from the hub and using the 90-93. As for the wieght distribution, i dont have the slightest idea yet, once I start drving it I will know a little more. I know the front is alot lighter, because it rasied up about 1/4 of an inch after the swap.

[L3G10N]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/DSCF0001.jpg

is this me or is there some tokico illumina?!?!:wtf:

[EricW]

It is. He has a thread about it some where.

[L3G10N]

let me see this thread!!!!!

[Bglad420]

is this me or is there some tokico illumina?!?!:wtf:


He riggered them frm a 4g a lot of work he said

[Legend_master]

He riggered them frm a 4g a lot of work he said


No I rig them from an 89 Civic, and it wasent to much work.

[Legend_master]

let me see this thread!!!!!


http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48470

[Bglad420]

Whoops my bad......

[Legend_master]

Whoops my bad......


N/P

[L3G10N]

tnx a lot for the link.

[Legend_master]

Here are some pictures of the tranny and drivers side mount.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/c2de37fe.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/578bc03d.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/6d3a4c69.jpg

Here is a cool pic

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/bb2721e1.jpg

[white ricer]

b18a's were vtec? anyways good job with the swap, the motor looks too good in that engine bay

:edit: gsr head... makes sense now..

[SQ is the SQUAD]

looking good

[ICEMAN707]

did you finally run it yet to see how the axles worked? or you gonna wait and use 1st gen teg axles?

[Deadhead]

how comes getting the beast to work?

[Legend_master]

did you finally run it yet to see how the axles worked? or you gonna wait and use 1st gen teg axles?

Well I drove it around the block, but I am getting a really bad oil leak from the vtec oil line. I just need to put some teflon tape on the screw. The axles don't seem to be binding, but the passenger just looks crammed in there. Only time will tell if the axle is to long.

[SQ is the SQUAD]

so right not both axle are the 90 teg axles?

[Legend_master]

so right not both axle are the 90 teg axles?

THEY ARE BOTH 90-93 Axles you have to remove the dust ring from the back of the accord hub to make the passenger side work. There is a difference between the 90-93 passenger and drivers side axle. You can use an 86-89 integra axle and it will fit much better and you don't have to remove the dust ring. Sorry to be an ass about this, but I have said it like 10 times between 3 threads.

[AccordEpicenter]

lol i can just picture you looking just like your avatar right now lmao

[Legend_master]

lol i can just picture you looking just like your avatar right now lmao


LOL.

[Deadhead]

So what happened with your fuel problem? Was it fuel injectors? Fuel pump?

[Legend_master]

So what happened with your fuel problem? Was it fuel injectors? Fuel pump?

Nope, there were two wires going to the distributor that were switch :violin: . I just fixed the oil leak and once I get my exhaust fixed the car will be good to go. :)

[gfrg88]

so what exactly does this engine have in it or just a stock ls with vtec head?? was this posted already??

[Legend_master]

so what exactly does this engine have in it or just a stock ls with vtec head?? was this posted already??


1991 B18a bottom end
Stock pistons bored .20 over
ARP head and rod bolts
Fully balanced/shot-peened and all parts were coated
New GSR/R Fuel pump and water pump
Lightened flywheel
GSR head Milled just a little
Cosmetic thin head gasket
STR Cam gears
AEBS intake manifold with stock GSR TB
Ebay Megan racing header modified with a 2.5 Collector
Full exhaust all the way back to a gt v6 Eclipse Muffler.

[hatchieboy]

So how close are you to getting some vids up? Oh and sweet set up!

[Legend_master]

So how close are you to getting some vids up? Oh and sweet set up!


I am not sure, after I get it running smoothly then I will need to brake in the motor. So unless I go on a road trip, i estimate about 2 weeks or so.

[Legend_master]

Well I drove the car around today and it felt quit nice. I dident notice any problems and the exhaust sounds beautifull. Thanks to everybody that helped and I will keep you guys up-to-date on its status.

P.S. What up with the main page of the board, first the login error, now it will not even load :wtf: .

[Deadhead]

yeah, they are having some issues.....

makes it difficult to navigate, however i found the forum jump at the bottom of the page to work great.

good to hear the beast is up and running. Now we want vids!

[Legend_master]

Now we want vids!


430 miles :violin: .

[SQ is the SQUAD]

man, i could put 500 gentel miles on the car asap

[Deadhead]

Road Trip!

[gfrg88]

road trip to our socal meet and then you can dyno your car next to ours, check out our meet:D

[SQ is the SQUAD]

i am getting ready for a 5 hour drive to new jersey to go pick up the coupe i got off ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-Accord-LXi-89-ACCORD-LXi-COUPE-IMMACULATE-CONDITION-LOW-RESERVE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6254QQitemZ4603 148809QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

[gfrg88]

damn bro how many cars you got??

[SQ is the SQUAD]

88 accord dx hatch
89 accord lxi coupe
85 gmc s15 ( trying to sell )
01 chevy impala ( payments are a motherfucker )
90 acrua integra 4dr ( sold 1-19-06 )

[Deadhead]

wow your insurance must be painfully high....

not to mention the car payments....

[SQ is the SQUAD]

no really considering right now only the impala is on the road. ill prob end up insuring the coupe under my business ( still in the works )

[Legend_master]

Well I just got her running smoothly and I only have a couple hundred more miles before break-in is done. I will get some vids up soon. :eek5:

[SQ is the SQUAD]

i already put 600 miles on my coupe, and i dident drive it most of this week. hurry up and brake that bitch in

[carotman]

Sweet!

The break in period is the worst part beleive me. :D

[Legend_master]

Sweet!
The break in perios is the worst part beleive me. :D


I hit 500 today and it is killing me :burn: , but the car is running very smoothly and is quit peppy :) .

[wprocomp]

give it some extra mileage and drive to san antonio so I can see it lol

[Legend_master]

give it some extra mileage and drive to san antonio so I can see it lol


LOL id i dident have a job or school I would do it. Here are some update pictures.

Cut cam gear cover
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/CamgearCut.jpg

Moving
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/Movingcamgear.jpg

Custom Intake
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/IntakeB-series2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/IntakeB-series1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/IntakeB-series.jpg

Slim fan
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/Slimfan.jpg

[od2681]

oh shit it spins....mind bogling
giood job bro

[SQ is the SQUAD]

oh, i am surprised you dident have to cut your front crossmember

[Legend_master]

oh, i am surprised you dident have to cut your front crossmember

There is probably about 1 and a 1/2 inches left in-between the c-member and the header.

[gfrg88]

dude you should drove over here to cali and come to our dyno meet :D

[Legend_master]

oh shit it spins....mind bogling
giood job bro


It took me hours to figure that out :dunno: LOL

[russiankid]

It took me hours to figure that out :dunno: LOLlol
i wonder what happens when you stick ur finger there when the engine is running

[Legend_master]

lol
i wonder what happens when you stick ur finger there when the engine is running

A broken finger and lesson well learned. :)

[gp02a0083]

man too bad ur in TX i wanna swap in an engine like that soo bad, but first i need to switch my car over to a manual tranny :)

[Legend_master]

man too bad ur in TX i wanna swap in an engine like that soo bad, but first i need to switch my car over to a manual tranny :)


Get that 5-speed in there and you should be good to go.

[gp02a0083]

i jsut gotta find a manual tranny car for a donor so i can have it there to swap it over ecm and all

[wprocomp]

so this means if i decide to do a swap and i buy the beer youll help right? lol man I hate you

[Legend_master]

so this means if i decide to do a swap and i buy the beer youll help right? lol man I hate you


only if it's bud light :beer:

[wprocomp]

lol bud light it is,but its a matter of finding mounts now which isnt going to be easy and not very cheap either-btw you know anyone that wants to buy a hatch cause i need to sell the 86

[Legend_master]

lol bud light it is,but its a matter of finding mounts now which isnt going to be easy and not very cheap either-btw you know anyone that wants to buy a hatch cause i need to sell the 86


How much were you asking again. Also it's an auto right?

[wprocomp]

yeah its an auto,it had flood damage at one time but its all been taken care of interior is in great shape now-body is A++++ its in awesome condition(thats why we bought it)and it runs ok I have to see what i have in it now but itll prob be around $1500

[3rdgen_Vtec_pwr]

my 3rd gen Sleeper comin out this summer with a b18 c gonna run low 14's 1/4 mile

[Deadhead]

^^^lmao

[Legend_master]

my 3rd gen Sleeper comin out this summer with a b18 c gonna run low 14's 1/4 mile


well lets see some pics

[gfrg88]

post up some pics. i wanna see too, and you better not come up with dumb excuses for not having pix or else no one on here is going to believe.

[Cheeseburger]

my 3rd gen Sleeper comin out this summer with a b18 c gonna run low 14's 1/4 mile

what a funny little man....:cheers:

[Hash_man_Se_i]

ROFL thats funny... what a first post. Now, who wants to buy me a motor? lol

[Legend_master]

ROFL thats funny... what a first post. Now, who wants to buy me a motor? lol


talk to this guy it might be legit THread (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?p=612434#post612434)

[AccordB20A]

i need a motor too. someone should send me a set lf new b20a piston rings so i can actually be able to drive to work when i get a job :D

[86hatch]

Hey buddy the car looks great. Thanks for the info on pm and the thread. So far all i have is a pile of parts and an empty wallet, but the block is about ready for the machine shop!!! I look forward to talking to later man Im sure ill run into some sort of a problem.
Thanks again and great job.
Jeremy

[sinisterfuzzy]

does anyone have any links, i'm already searchin this forum for other info, but i'm so damn interested in a bswap... any other sites or anything'd be sweet. or anyone else who's done it, i just am looking for some info right now

[TheDaveler]

A true inspiration!

Bump

[Legend_master]

A true inspiration!

Bump


Thanks dude


P.S. good save on that post, i would have told you to search with yur first post you made :thumbup:

[sinisterfuzzy]

how do you like that EBC Greenstuff?

[Legend_master]

Bump, I cleaned up the first page to help out with all the noobs :)

[pak39993]

good job legend master.congratulation:)

[Civic Accord Honda]

uh reallly old thread......but really nice car and engine props to you

[Legend_master]

good job legend master.congratulation:)


Thanks, your swap is quit good also.


uh reallly old thread......but really nice car and engine props to you

Never hurts to bump a thread with good info :eatarrow: , and thanks .

[Cheeseburger]

more pics yO!

[Legend_master]

more pics yO!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/DSCF0005-5.jpg

:dunno:

[A18A]

i like your wire tuck :) and all the empty space, like Russiankid said, more room for mods :)

[Cheeseburger]

MORE! and new too! like go out and do a photoshoot! :p

[Legend_master]

i like your wire tuck :) and all the empty space, like Russiankid said, more room for mods :)


Hopefully a turbo one day :violin: .


MORE! and new too! like go out and do a photoshoot! :p

It's been raining non stop around here and its freaking cold. Maybe in the spring

[Cheeseburger]

pffffft, fine.....

[MessyHonda]

hey legend...now you have room to run a turbo and all the pipes....

[Cheeseburger]

sweet! turbo!

[MessyHonda]

wow...that thing would be really a killer....lol

[Cheeseburger]

fuck ya! fast 3g FTW!

[Legend_master]

hey legend...now you have room to run a turbo and all the pipes....


Now I just need the the cash-money

[speedpenguin]

Wow how did I miss this thread when it started! Now I know where your LS/VTEC came from.
Sweet!

[Legend_master]

Wow how did I miss this thread when it started! Now I know where your LS/VTEC came from.
Sweet!


I think you were to interested in your non 3gee at the time, so you ingonred all of us here :rant: . J/P I dont know how you missed it :dunno:

[speedpenguin]

I still had my 3G a year ago when this thread started.

[CoWBoY993]

Hey Legend Master. Im new to this site, let me give you a little background, lol and mock me for being a noob if i screw up. I used to have a 96 gsr, i loved her to death, worked on it everyweekend till she was rite. had to deal with a shitty motor replacement and obd1 and ob2 non complying wiring harness so lots of wiring issues. but ne ways i was in debt up to my eye balls, i could hardly afford to keep her on the road. when the car got stolen and thrashed that was it, once it got out of the body shop i sold it. But now i have my 87 accord hatch and i dont mind it. My accord was the car i settled on because i couldnt find a 85 'rolla i wanted, super hard to find in westren canada. So now i have my accord with the shitty ass 2.0L carb and i dont like it. i miss the days of hearing my vtec kick in feelin the car surge. i thought i would never feel that again untill i can actually afford another integra!! or at least a civic..... ewww. but then the day came that i found 3geez, where i just happened to stumble across you and accord theory. your threads enlightened and inspired me, so much it made me sign up for the 3geez forum. but now i come to the reason why im posting on your thread. its tax season this time of the year, and by a creative tax return im gonna get a rather large sum of money. i have found a gsr motor 95 160,000km and am purchasing it later this week. i have looked and looked for the PRI mounts but cant find ne, so i said screw PRI and their mounts i will go with accords theorys route and build my own, my best buddy is a steel fabricator that builds excavators and we have gone over the pictures A.T. posted and he says itsno problem. the only real hurtle im left staring at is the wiring harness. im alright at repairing electrical, but building a harness now way. what i wanttoknow is how did rywire fuck up so bad, and why couldnt you use the stock harness's from an integra?? also i was reading through most of yours and accord theorys threads and i didnt see if you two ever found a solid solution to the axel problem. so ne response containing some of the information i asked for would be greatly appreciated.

[CoWBoY993]

P.s. Disregard the axle info request, i guess it helps to open you eyes when your looking for sumtin lol

[Legend_master]

Hey Legend Master. Im new to this site, let me give you a little background, lol and mock me for being a noob if i screw up. I used to have a 96 gsr, i loved her to death, worked on it everyweekend till she was rite. had to deal with a shitty motor replacement and obd1 and ob2 non complying wiring harness so lots of wiring issues. but ne ways i was in debt up to my eye balls, i could hardly afford to keep her on the road. when the car got stolen and thrashed that was it, once it got out of the body shop i sold it. But now i have my 87 accord hatch and i dont mind it. My accord was the car i settled on because i couldnt find a 85 'rolla i wanted, super hard to find in westren canada. So now i have my accord with the shitty ass 2.0L carb and i dont like it. i miss the days of hearing my vtec kick in feelin the car surge. i thought i would never feel that again untill i can actually afford another integra!! or at least a civic..... ewww. but then the day came that i found 3geez, where i just happened to stumble across you and accord theory. your threads enlightened and inspired me, so much it made me sign up for the 3geez forum. but now i come to the reason why im posting on your thread. its tax season this time of the year, and by a creative tax return im gonna get a rather large sum of money. i have found a gsr motor 95 160,000km and am purchasing it later this week. i have looked and looked for the PRI mounts but cant find ne, so i said screw PRI and their mounts i will go with accords theorys route and build my own, my best buddy is a steel fabricator that builds excavators and we have gone over the pictures A.T. posted and he says itsno problem. the only real hurtle im left staring at is the wiring harness. im alright at repairing electrical, but building a harness now way. what i wanttoknow is how did rywire fuck up so bad, and why couldnt you use the stock harness's from an integra?? also i was reading through most of yours and accord theorys threads and i didnt see if you two ever found a solid solution to the axel problem. so ne response containing some of the information i asked for would be greatly appreciated.


Well first off thanks for actually reading before posting, because you seem to understand all the problem. Since you are running a carbed motor, you could actually pull the entire harness from the Integra and only use the stuff for the engine and discard everything else. You could run this along side factory carb harness since that only controls the auxiliary items. You would have to pull everything from the ECU to the engine, and I do mean EVERYTHING.

P.S. When you said that part about finding my car and leading you to 3geez, that is exactly what happened to me. I saw Oldschool swaps accord and fallowed his link to this forum and here I am now LOL.


EDIT: the only problem Rywire had on my harness was that they dident have a car to mock it up on. THey built the whole harness without a car to do it on. So I give them props for building the hanress.

[HondaEnthusiast1980]

thanks we will se how it turns out.
how come you just didn't just get a LS B18B instead of that B18A block?

you could've did the POOR MAN's R build ( B18B with ITR pistons ) and slapped on a B16A2 head!!

OR...better yet...you could've just went with a B20 block and port and polished head..with ITR cams! and go to www.jenvey.com and get a ITB mani...and fab up your ITB setup!

have you ever heard a B20/ GSR head with an aggressive oversized intake cam and ITBs attached to it run???

( woody in pants )

BUT none the less, looking through this site....and remembering when I had a 3rd gen Accord back in my teen years....sliding through this site...and stumbling across your hatch...made me TOO..sign up here.... EVEN THOUGH... I drive a CB7 ( 4th gen )...I still have EQUAL love for both Chassis ( CA and CB )

Im CURRENTLY in the market to buying a CLEAN CA accord...but my luck is awkward for some reason.. LOL

but its true what ( CoWBoY993 ) said...your hatch is what you call a Milestone to the 3rd gens!

me being an experienced wrencher....I have NEVER had the pleasure of swapping a 3rd gen...at age 27...kind of late....Im getting around to finally having the chance on doing so....I have swapped so many other Hondas...( civics...4th gen and 5th gen accords...Preludes...and here and there H22s into CRXs ...and LS/VTEC hybrids into Tegs and Hatches ) Im delighted ...I finally get to SLOW down...get a 3rd gen...and swap something similar into a CA chassis that I have swapped into many other Hondas!

what Im currently reseaching....in swapping a K24/ K20 redtop head into a 4th gen accord ...INSTEAD of the "NORM" H22 into a CB7...I want to be different...I will rebuild the H22 that I have now....and maybe sell it..or ATTEMPT to install it into a CA accord...and then work on doing the K hybrid.

Your Hatch brings wonder and curiosity to many that are just browsing through this lovely 3rd gen site!

I give you GOLDEN thumbs up for nice swappage! :)

[HondaEnthusiast1980]

Bump....I like this guy's Hatch!

[rfiks]

duz body have a better 3g??? (nope)

[russiankid]

duz body have a better 3g??? (nope)

What?

[rfiks]

Looks like a lengthy job but I hope you get the injector problem sorted out.

What's the deal with no timing cover?
u need adjustable cam gears when u gota l/s vtec cuz the timing isnt stock

[rfiks]

What?

what i meant say is ive never seen a 3g built like this. does any1 have a 3g with lets saaay... a k-swap?

[Legend_master]

duz body have a better 3g??? (nope)

Is that a question or an answer?


What?

:werd:


u need adjustable cam gears when u gota l/s vtec cuz the timing isnt stock

If that answer is for me, this thread is old, and I have already long figured out that problem :sadwave: . P.S. it already has adjustable cam gears

[Legend_master]

what i meant say is ive never seen a 3g built like this. does any1 have a 3g with lets saaay... a k-swap?

Not yet to my knowledge, I believe a v6 was swapped from a legend, but never ran.

[rfiks]

i was just replying to waht "portugalfocus" said.

[TWOLOUDNPROUD]

The a20 axle had a thicker diameter then the holes of the tranny.

Legend i know this is two years late but i wanted to get a clear answer about the passenger side A20 axle. Are you saying the axle would not fit in the Differential? or it to long to fit between the tranny and the hub? This is why i am asking you i have a 93 integra GS tranny (YS1) and i tried the passenger side A20 axle in it and it fits perfect in to the YS1 tranny. I will post pics latter but get back to me on this.:koolaid:

[Legend_master]

Legend i know this is two years late but i wanted to get a clear answer about the passenger side A20 axle. Are you saying the axle would not fit in the Differential? or it to long to fit between the tranny and the hub? This is why i am asking you i have a 93 integra GS tranny (YS1) and i tried the passenger side A20 axle in it and it fits perfect in to the YS1 tranny. I will post pics latter but get back to me on this.:koolaid:

it was the over all length of the axle, I couldent even get the axle into the hub and transmission at the same time.

[A18A]

are there any new updates? :D

[TWOLOUDNPROUD]

it was the over all length of the axle, I couldent even get the axle into the hub and transmission at the same time.

Thanks for the quick return im working on the writeup for the B-swap.

[Legend_master]

are there any new updates? :D

I finished the wire tuck, and now the car doesn't have any power to anything. I had to pull everything back out and I am working on the wiring now. Its become a large pain, but I just want the car to work.

[Tomisimo]

Hi Legend!! Long time no see bro, hows been?

I see you still in the game? Yes those wires is a pain in the a$$..

[Legend_master]

Hi Legend!! Long time no see bro, hows been?

I see you still in the game? Yes those wires is a pain in the a$$..

Yep definitly still in the game, I don't think I'll ever stop liking the 3g. Just don't really have the time to be activebon the forums like I use to be . Everythings going great, I got to admit I'm more addicted to my bike then my car LOL.

[wprocomp]

when we gonna race? lol sup bro

[RobT5580]

You have any other feedback on your suspension or has the car been off the road for a bit?

[Legend_master]

when we gonna race? lol sup bro

As soon as something electrical works on my car LOL!


You have any other feedback on your suspension or has the car been off the road for a bit?

It holds up to not being driven much, no dry rot, no leaking LOL.

[rushell]

Required to do this swap

Place Racing Motor Mounts (these have been discontinued, but a forum member built his own mounts (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49200&highlight=b-series)) EDIT: Innovative has decided to start making B-swap mounts again. (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70868&highlight=Innovative) I cannot confirm that these will work with all the parts I have listed here, but it is very likely that they will.
Passenger Axle: 87-89 Acura Integra Passenger Side Axle (A little long, but it works)
Drivers Axle: The center shaft of the axle comes from the passenger side of the 86-89 accord. The ends (parts that connect to the hub, and to the transmission) are from an 88-91 Integra. This axle was put together for me by a professional axle shop, almost any axle repair place should be able to do it for you.
(88LXi68 (http://www.3geez.com/forum/member.php?u=22), is running a 3rd generation(88-91) prelude drivers side axle for this application. I have not tried it out myself, but he has been running the PRI mounts much longer then I have)
Place racing custom shift linkage (also discontinued, so good luck). This is an easily fabbed item. All you need is the stock Accord shift Linkage with and integra end (scroll down for comparison pictures).
Custom Engine and Sub harness to convert to OBD-1 (I purchased mine from Rywire (http://www.rywire.com) )
Factory 86-89 Lx-i Accord Throttle cable (will work with a GSR throttle body bracket, and maybe others.)
You can use a factory 86-89 Accord clutch cable but it is a little long. I recommend using an 87-91 Acura Integra clutch cable, it fits just right in the engine bay.
You must use the rear engine/transmission mount bracket from a 90-93 Integra.


I used the factory 86-89 Accord fuel line, it bolts right on. With the coolant hoses I had to use the upper radiator hose from the Accord with no problems, and the factory B-series lower radiator hose. With the lower hose you will have an issue if you are using the factory Accord radiator. The lower hose has a larger diameter then the Accord hose, Just make sure to use a very sturdy clamp on the hose that you can tighten with a screw driver or ratchet.

I also did a wire tuck to clean up the engine bay a little that can be found here (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52544&highlight=wire+tuck) .

Small video of the car in action (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrbYhpOPhII)

Here are the specs on the motor
1991 B18a bottom end
Stock pistons bored .20 over
ARP head and rod bolts
Fully balanced/shot-peened and all parts were coated
New GSR/R Fuel pump and water pump
Lightened flywheel
GSR head Milled just a little
Cosmetic thin head gasket
STR Cam gears
AEBS intake manifold with stock GSR TB
Ebay Megan racing header modified with a 2.5 Collector
2.5" Pipeing all the way back to a vibrent Racing muffler.

Check here (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53217) to see my suspension setup.

Installed
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/a010bb6a.jpg
Here is the Transmission Side Mount
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/Trannymount.jpg
With out the engine installed
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/Trannymountnoengine.jpg

Here is the Block mount
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/Blockmount.jpg

Shift linkage End
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/0bff735f.jpg
Shift Linkage (Factory on top/PRI on the bottem)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/5dd2b0b8.jpg
Another comparison
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/shiftlinkagecomparison-1.jpg

Engine Install Shot
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/Install.jpg
Side Shot
what about the wiring i have a complete 1993 teg with the b18 and i want to swap it into my 89lxi my name is rushell contact me at 706 955 8860 home or 762 218 1646 cell i have a few questions for u so i can do my swap

[Hash_man_Se_i]

what about the wiring i have a complete 1993 teg with the b18 and i want to swap it into my 89lxi my name is rushell contact me at 706 955 8860 home or 762 218 1646 cell i have a few questions for u so i can do my swap

Read.... "Custom Engine and Sub harness to convert to OBD-1 (I purchased mine from Rywire ):"

[Tdurr]

this guy man.....