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adams86lxi
03-16-2006, 04:44 PM
Well i doubt anyone has found this yet. My friend sent it to me today while i was at school and i was in complete aw over it!!! Its Jason budds a20!!! Sick ass setup! Here are some pics of it! I guss the only problem he ever had with it was the trannys kept breaking so he made a adapter so he could put B series trannys on it!! I was like HOLY SHIT!! So here is the pics and the link for all the info!!

here is the link
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1540419

i guess thats the car its going in now.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/haveaNOSday/3a421bac.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/haveaNOSday/pics1022.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/haveaNOSday/IMG_1047.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/haveaNOSday/IMG_1040.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/haveaNOSday/IMG_1039.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/haveaNOSday/c16f050b.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/haveaNOSday/IMG_1061.jpg

B16KILLA
03-16-2006, 04:58 PM
Holy shit! That is bad ass. Someone should patend that and sell it. I'd buy it for sure .

87AccordLXsdn
03-16-2006, 04:59 PM
Holy hell, I'd like to see some engine specs on that one...


Nevermind, they're on the site

SQ is the SQUAD
03-16-2006, 05:09 PM
go a series. 9 sec is possable for any of us

A18A
03-16-2006, 05:27 PM
OMG inspiration for my car!!!!!!!!! i doubt the a18 will get in2 9's let alone the 13's

bullard123
03-16-2006, 05:44 PM
Wow that is a nice setup.

AccordEpicenter
03-16-2006, 05:56 PM
Turbo A series>* Im actually surprised at his tranny failures, i really wonder what the weak link is? Jason budd has been around racing with an A20 for years now, last i saw he was running 10 flat in an 85 lude. This tranny adapter is some nice work, i bet it took him forever to fab this, seriously. It looks simple but im sure it was a nightmare. Oh yeah, look at his engine buildup... 10:1 JE pistons and pauter rods at 30psi. Im in love

Hash_man_Se_i
03-16-2006, 06:04 PM
Wow impressive as hell... I've heard about him before... that adapter plate is damn cool.

carotman
03-16-2006, 06:20 PM
Yeah I saw him at the dragstrip a couple of times already

Nice adapter plate!!!

wprocomp
03-16-2006, 06:36 PM
very hot makes me think wether or not I should buy a B20 or just put money into my A20

Legend_master
03-16-2006, 08:00 PM
Someone needs to figure out his OBD setup and what distributor he is running. Tuning on a 30PSI 10:1 compression motor would be a bitch. Really hot motor though, it is kinda inspiring to see that.

adams86lxi
03-16-2006, 09:23 PM
Someone needs to figure out his OBD setup and what distributor he is running. Tuning on a 30PSI 10:1 compression motor would be a bitch. Really hot motor though, it is kinda inspiring to see that.


yea, deffiently need to find that out. Im curious too.

bobafett
03-16-2006, 10:29 PM
good find man! jason budd is a fricken insparation to all A series guys!

SQ is the SQUAD
03-16-2006, 10:49 PM
i just love custom fabbed stuff

AccordEpicenter
03-17-2006, 07:00 AM
good find man! jason budd is a fricken insparation to all A series guys!

word. turbo a series Jasons are hoss. Jason budd is running simple digital systems EM-4 EMS and MSD digital 8. I think he might be running the stock dizzy also.

SQ is the SQUAD
03-17-2006, 07:56 AM
we need to get him on here so we can figure this stuff out

carotman
03-17-2006, 07:58 AM
yeah, stock dizzy and standalone + msd stuff.

Legend_master
03-17-2006, 11:58 AM
yeah, stock dizzy and standalone + msd stuff.


this is how he explains it


the motor runs on a full stand alone efi system which is Simple Digital Systems (sds) EM-4 the inputs for the injection come from the sds supplied crank trigger,map,IAT,ect... your right the vacum advance is removed but the dizzy still has it's trigger. the spark advance/retard is all through the MSD digi. 8. with external coil. the car was tuned at SMP by stephane beauragarde aka.Frenchy!

Robs89LXi
03-17-2006, 12:47 PM
Just curious as to what it would take to adapt a B-series tranny to our cars, and what the advantages would be? Say we could fab an adapter plate like that, and a crankshaft spacer as well, we would still need custom axles to make up/lose the differences on each side (since the tranny is now a bit more to the right because of the adapter plate). Also, it would mean using B-series axles; are the splines the same, or would we have to change out the entire wheel hub assembly as well? What about VSS/speedo cable compatibility? I don't think it is just as easy as bolting on an adapter plate. What would be the advantage of a B-series tranny anyway? He seems to imply they are stonger. Are they, and if so, why?

smufguy
03-17-2006, 01:04 PM
thats a nice hot setup. The intake manifold looks pretty hot. A lot of custom parts and even tho the First engine shot (black engine bay) looks like a 3g engine bay (with the 3 bolt shock mount). if thats the case, then that would probably be the fastest 3g yet (even tho johnny ran a 10.4s).

Extremely Hot.

AccordEpicenter
03-17-2006, 01:15 PM
he never ran a 3g praveen. He is the fastest A20 powered guy, but hes only ran civics and preludes.

smufguy
03-17-2006, 01:20 PM
he never ran a 3g praveen. He is the fastest A20 powered guy, but hes only ran civics and preludes.

then its probably a 2nd gen lude im looking at then. But either way, its a challenge for Johnny.

bobafett
03-17-2006, 03:04 PM
mmm bseries trannies have NICE CHEAP lsd's available. well actually i dont even care if they are cheap, as long as its not a diff ruining PG style diff!

HostileJava
03-17-2006, 04:05 PM
Just curious as to what it would take to adapt a B-series tranny to our cars, and what the advantages would be? Say we could fab an adapter plate like that, and a crankshaft spacer as well, we would still need custom axles to make up/lose the differences on each side (since the tranny is now a bit more to the right because of the adapter plate). Also, it would mean using B-series axles; are the splines the same, or would we have to change out the entire wheel hub assembly as well? What about VSS/speedo cable compatibility? I don't think it is just as easy as bolting on an adapter plate. What would be the advantage of a B-series tranny anyway? He seems to imply they are stonger. Are they, and if so, why?

I'm almost positive all honda splines for the axles are the same and I don't think the extra bit of width the plate adds to the tranny makes that much difference. Have you ever taken the axles out? There is quite a bit of play there, I think if anything you'd just have to adjust the camber. B series trannies have ALOT more aftermarket support, they may not be any stronger in there stock form(i dunno), but there is alot out there to upgrade them. Some one correct me if I"m wrong here.

Lok
03-18-2006, 09:18 AM
Simply superb work!!!! mad props to the owner!

Every 3G Accord stock engine A20, B20 could be tuned at very high level to make a very fast sleeper....the problem is the availability of parts and to much to be custom...

w00tw00t111
03-18-2006, 04:19 PM
I would agree with the comment about the "strength" of the b tranny. It's got alot more aftermarket support like anything else. But, the reason for changing *I'm assuming* is the fact that on-top of the 30pounds of boost he's running a direct port nitrous system. The turbo adds power, yes, but, the instant hp that's added by the n02 just rips trannys and half-shafts to pieces. So, I'm assuming that he wanted beefier internal tranny pieces as well as beefier axles that can handle the nitrous. B/c obviously if he's using direct port then he's using some serious serious jets!

88accordhb
03-18-2006, 05:17 PM
i miss his prelude. but wow that's unique. very shocked.

carotman
03-19-2006, 04:48 AM
I might buy that prelude ;p

We'll see how my house plans turn out. I got spare A20A's here and alot of patience.

diegoaccord
03-19-2006, 07:15 AM
Not to mention, his ratios are going to be much shorter now with B series tranny.

SQ is the SQUAD
03-19-2006, 08:03 AM
any1 have any videos of it in action?

L3G10N
03-19-2006, 02:29 PM
no we don't have any video of budd with his civic. It's still in progress. But for sure, me or carotman will see him sometimes this summer and will take pics/videos for you all. BTW, he his in this month edition of QuebecTuning

Sporno
03-19-2006, 05:13 PM
HOLY JESUS ON A STICK!!!! thats amazing its an inspiration to me. i never thought any A20's would be in drag racing... thats .... wow. we need to get that guy on here i wanna know the parts hes got.

smufguy
03-19-2006, 05:40 PM
HOLY JESUS ON A STICK!!!! thats amazing its an inspiration to me. i never thought any A20's would be in drag racing... thats .... wow. we need to get that guy on here i wanna know the parts hes got.

i persume you dont know our 10sec 1986 hatchie from CT owned by Johnny-O. :)

Sporno
03-19-2006, 06:08 PM
i persume you dont know our 10sec 1986 hatchie from CT owned by Johnny-O. :)
nope :(

AccordEpicenter
03-19-2006, 06:18 PM
hmm i have some old jason budd vids... want me to host em?

SQ is the SQUAD
03-19-2006, 06:24 PM
plz

Legend_master
03-19-2006, 06:31 PM
plz
:werd:

AccordEpicenter
03-20-2006, 06:30 PM
http://www.fourgasmmotorsports.com/jason%20budd.wmv
http://www.fourgasmmotorsports.com/A_Series_Drag_Prelude.wmv

Bow down

B16KILLA
03-20-2006, 06:43 PM
http://www.fourgasmmotorsports.com/jason%20budd.wmv
http://www.fourgasmmotorsports.com/A_Series_Drag_Prelude.wmv
Bow down

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: Cant get enough of the vids.


BTW, I'm VERY curious to see how your car would run on the track with a b-series tranny. I mean, I've seen your vids and I still bow down. What is your opinion of having the b-series tranny in your car

AccordEpicenter
03-20-2006, 06:45 PM
do you mean strength wise or gear ratio wise?
Edit: Thanks!

B16KILLA
03-20-2006, 06:49 PM
Gear ratio wise,

'A20A3'
03-20-2006, 08:17 PM
Isn't the A20 tranny pretty stout though?

b20a86lude
03-22-2006, 08:06 AM
can someone explain what adapter plate does and when he says breaks his tranny what exactly is meant by that

bobafett
03-22-2006, 09:41 AM
the bseries adapter plate allows him to simply bolt up a Bseries transmission to an A series block. the problem is that not all of the holes would like up, so its not a direct bolt on. so he builds a adapter that bolts to the A20 block, and then has the appropriate holes in it to bolt a bseries transmission to it.

im not sure exactly what part of the tranny breaks, but when you have enough power to run 9's in the qtr mile, drivetrain stuff breaks... there doesnt really need to be a reason...

2drSE-i
03-22-2006, 10:06 AM
damn...thats all i have to say. Personally, i wouldnt want a 9 second drag car, cuz i like to actually drive my car around, but damn.....a20's own.

bobafett
03-22-2006, 12:08 PM
it is interesting that he is using an a20 in this car. i wonder if its because:

a) the a20 is acually really good and worth using in race applications
b) he already had the motor so why not
c) just to be different

it would be cool if (a) was the case and the a20 is just the best choice! we might start seing some aftermarket engine parts if civic drag guys start building a20s! :P it sure couldnt hurt anyway!

2drSE-i
03-22-2006, 01:36 PM
that was actually what i was thinking

maybe we should hit up JE pistons and see if they are interested in making some, since they already have the specs apparently.

bobafett
03-22-2006, 01:38 PM
most pistons places WILL make anything you want, you just need to get them the specs

L3G10N
03-22-2006, 01:42 PM
the REAL reason why he uses theses A20A (i use these cause he have a few ones... like 5-6) Cause they cost nothing and he can find a lot of 'em for real cheap at any junkyard. BTW, on of his sponsors is a junkyard who giving him those A20A.

Legend_master
03-22-2006, 02:27 PM
it is interesting that he is using an a20 in this car. i wonder if its because:

a) the a20 is acually really good and worth using in race applications
b) he already had the motor so why not
c) just to be different

it would be cool if (a) was the case and the a20 is just the best choice! we might start seing some aftermarket engine parts if civic drag guys start building a20s! :P it sure couldnt hurt anyway!


A) seems like a good answer when you see his reply on H-T
we held in the prelude in the begining of last season quebec's fastest honda for a while, I think we're the 2nd fastest sohc next to bisi.
. I think being a 2.0L SOHC that is solid as a rock and can hold very high boost + the availability of the blocks dosent hurt either.

'A20A3'
03-24-2006, 10:21 AM
Isn't the A20 tranny pretty stout though?

:sadwave: :stick:

NXRacer
03-24-2006, 03:05 PM
aren't you going to be running a similar engine setup chris? If He's running 10:1 pistons at 30psi, I wonder how much you can run at 8.5:1???

AccordEpicenter
03-24-2006, 04:59 PM
its probably take him well over 40psi to make the same power. Hmm i think maybe b series gear ratios might be too short on my car...the stock lxi ratios are pretty good as is for boost... Jason budd probably runs it because the bottom end is bulletproof and cheap

smufguy
03-25-2006, 07:04 AM
using race gas and methanol, higher compression does not play a devastating role since the otane level of the burning fuel is a lot higher than our pump gas 93 (91 at some places).

at a much lower compression, he can obviously run more boost, but it will develop traction issues when more power is created and it just gets wasted when its unable to be put down on the ground. lets say for example, you make 400hp at 10:1 cr and 30psi of boost, but with a 8.5:1 cr and 40psi of boost lets say he makes 600hp, but if he is loosing traction at 400whp and then when 500hp is reached its hard for him to hook up, then the extra 100 or 150hp is going to waste cause everytime u hit the gas, you just loose grip.

when these guys tune their motors, they tune it to a point that they got a little bit left over (hp i mean) and run standard Ets with minor adjustments.

bobafett
03-25-2006, 09:28 AM
yeah my motor 'might' be capable of 30psi, where i would hope to make around 400 whp, but i wont ever try it with THIS block, because its bored .050

my next motor is going to be stock sized pistons (or something smaller anyway) and ill basically emulate teh rest of my setup exactly, cause i think its going to be pretty solid.

ps, motor SHOULD be running either this weekend or next weekend hopefully!

gfrg88
03-25-2006, 07:25 PM
ohohohoh, you better get some video clips when you start it up!!! :rockon:

sinisterfuzzy
05-16-2006, 04:54 PM
anyway we could get specs on that thing? might wanna get one fabbed up?

A20A1
05-19-2006, 12:28 PM
Ask him. Or follow his method and make your own... or get a shot to make one.

Hey look at his runners you can see he's running ITB's by the throttle shaft.

AccordEpicenter
05-19-2006, 02:41 PM
im already worried about breaking trannies, although this is the only thing im semi-worried about. Im going for big boost also so we will see, these should be tits

gp02a0083
05-19-2006, 05:18 PM
i like how each bolt head is smileing
:)

A20A1
08-18-2006, 04:46 PM
yeah, stock dizzy and standalone + msd stuff.


Looks like there is something missing from the distributor though. Look at the outside of the distributor, it's missing that part with the pins in it.

L3G10N
08-18-2006, 04:55 PM
if you talk about the vacuum pin, they are useless when you use a MSD Digi6.

newaccorddriver
08-18-2006, 07:13 PM
yeah my motor 'might' be capable of 30psi, where i would hope to make around 400 whp, but i wont ever try it with THIS block, because its bored .050


i know the max is 0.030 overbore, but does that extra 0.020 actually make that huge of an impact? id like to know why cause im already getting my block 0.02 overbore and it doesnt seem like anything really, just a thin metal scraping

A20A1
08-18-2006, 07:23 PM
if you talk about the vacuum pin, they are useless when you use a MSD Digi6.


I'm not refering to the advance diaphragm.



so, It's called a vacuum pin?
... the part outside TEC distributors.

?

coope
09-10-2006, 04:13 PM
He got rid of that fuckin black box

Legend_master
09-10-2006, 05:56 PM
Hey guys, check out this thread. He posted his times after the tranny swap.

B-tranny results (http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1691277)

[email protected]

smufguy
09-10-2006, 06:30 PM
hmmm that gotta be the fastest A20 so far then. he is not too far from a high 9s

vancouver_accord_JDM
11-10-2006, 01:36 AM
All I want to know is, How can I get my hands on that adapter & what else is needed to make it work.

ZackieDarko
11-10-2006, 03:04 AM
SQ is the SQUAD is going to start work on one soon


you could always join jerkoff land....i mean Honda-Tech and PM him (that jason guy) and ask him aboot it

SQ is the SQUAD
11-10-2006, 05:38 AM
anyone know what that adapter plate is mad out of(type of metal and size). i might try this

ilikevtecs
11-10-2006, 06:30 AM
TITS, looks amazing!

ilikevtecs
11-10-2006, 06:31 AM
anyone know what that adapter plate is mad out of(type of metal and size). i might try this
looks like aluminum but thats just a guess

SQ is the SQUAD
11-12-2006, 09:13 AM
project ofically started

http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?p=693406#post693406

hondaman1986
04-22-2007, 01:53 PM
Well i doubt anyone has found this yet. My friend sent it to me today while i was at school and i was in complete aw over it!!! Its Jason budds a20!!! Sick ass setup! Here are some pics of it! I guss the only problem he ever had with it was the trannys kept breaking so he made a adapter so he could put B series trannys on it!! I was like HOLY SHIT!! So here is the pics and the link for all the info!!
here is the link
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1540419
i guess thats the car its going in now.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/haveaNOSday/3a421bac.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/haveaNOSday/pics1022.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/haveaNOSday/IMG_1047.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/haveaNOSday/IMG_1040.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/haveaNOSday/IMG_1039.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/haveaNOSday/c16f050b.jpg
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a57/haveaNOSday/IMG_1061.jpg



hey did anyone notice that hes running a ITB setup?

I did:wtf:

ZackieDarko
04-22-2007, 02:21 PM
hey did anyone notice that hes running a ITB setup?
I did:wtf:


are you stoned? the turbo is right there in your face

hondaman1986
04-22-2007, 02:25 PM
are you stoned? the turbo is right there in your face


ok look realy close at the head... http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2504/c16f050byg2.th.jpg (http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=c16f050byg2.jpg)see them cause i do. also notice that theres a lack of a big tb on the intake.

u can use itb's and still be turbo. look at the R34 skyline it has itb's and is turbo


im not stupid and i dont get stoned. next time please look harder

ZackieDarko
04-22-2007, 04:15 PM
lol @ the n00b telling me what i should do


i thought you were saying he didn't have a turbo and was only rock'en ITB's..and yes i know it is possible to have ITB's inside the plenum of the intake

hondaman1986
04-22-2007, 04:49 PM
lol @ the n00b telling me what i should do
i thought you were saying he didn't have a turbo and was only rock'en ITB's..and yes i know it is possible to have ITB's inside the plenum of the intake


ok first of all im not a noob. and no i never said he didnt have a turbo. im just saying that it pays to be nice

b20a86lude
06-17-2008, 05:58 PM
does any body have videos and lots of pix i cant seem to find them i know they are there but cant find them

89T
06-18-2008, 03:53 AM
i pm'ed the guy and bumped the og thread on h-t and no reply.
take it for what it's worth, i think he is done.
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1540419

markmdz89hatch
06-30-2008, 08:53 AM
not to state the obvious, but looking at the pics again, it looks like he's on a A1 (carb'd) head instead of an A3. Interesting... ...I wonder if that was by conscious design, or just what he happened to be using.

obd0driver
12-08-2019, 10:14 PM
Thanks to post like this and helpful guidance from Jason budd him self a2b 2.0 link for details.


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12-19-2019, 07:19 PM
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