JDM H22A 89 Accord Se-i Sedan Swap Completed & Running!

[H22AccordSE-IV]

:rocket: Believe it or not...I just had an H22A swapped into my 89 Accord Se-i sedan. I just got the car back last month and she's runnin' like a dream, but I ain't dreamin', and I still can't beleive it!. I called about 7 different shops before I could get someone to tackle this project; I had guys telling me they could do the swap in 2 days just to get me into their shop, but they were all talkin' ish. Joe from Altech performance in Toronto, Canada handled the swap for me from start to finish; Joe has swapped H22's into CRXs, Civics, and newer Accords, but never before into a 3rd gen..until now! He started the project last December and it took about 4 months to complete because he was waiting on parts, namely the wiring harness and the cable/hydraulic clutch conversion which delayed the swap for the longest time (the clutch conversion was done by a guy out of Montreal who had tons of other shit on the go at the time). Custom brackets were fabricated for the swap to accommodate the 92-95 Civic H22 mounts from Avid performance. According to Joe, lining this baby up was the hardest part of the conversion, but apparently there is plenty of room. The only spacing problem encountered was the downpipe passing the front cross member. The cross member was cut in half to make room for the downpipe and then completely reinforced. As far as axles go, the left drive shaft used was the original off the 3rd gen Accord, but the right one was custom made to fit. Voila!!! H22 3rd Gen Accord Se-iv!!! The existence of this rare swap is no longer a myth. Driving my dream has finally become reality. Props go out to Joe "The Magician" from Altech Performance. Joe, YOU ROCK, BABY!!!!! Gonna get some pics for you guys soon.

Non-Believers...Eat My Dust!!!

Peace

[Oldblueaccord]

Let her roll baby :cheers:



wp

[forrest89sei]

:rocket: Believe it or not...I just had an H22A swapped into my 89 Accord Se-i sedan. I just got the car back last month and she's runnin' like a dream, but I ain't dreamin', and I still can't beleive it!. I called about 7 different shops before I could get someone to tackle this project; I had guys telling me they could do the swap in 2 days just to get me into their shop, but they were all talkin' ish. Joe from Altech performance in Toronto, Canada handled the swap for me from start to finish; Joe has swapped H22's into CRXs, Civics, and newer Accords, but never before into a 3rd gen..until now! He started the project last December and it took about 4 months to complete because he was waiting on parts, namely the wiring harness and the cable/hydraulic clutch conversion which delayed the swap for the longest time (the clutch conversion was done by a guy out of Montreal who had tons of other shit on the go at the time). Custom brackets were fabricated for the swap to accommodate the 92-95 Civic H22 mounts from Avid performance. According to Joe, lining this baby up was the hardest part of the conversion, but apparently there is plenty of room. The only spacing problem encountered was the downpipe passing the front cross member. The cross member was cut in half to make room for the downpipe and then completely reinforced. As far as axles go, the left drive shaft used was the original off the 3rd gen Accord, but the right one was custom made to fit. Voila!!! H22 3rd Gen Accord Se-iv!!! The existence of this rare swap is no longer a myth. Driving my dream has finally become reality. Props go out to Joe "The Magician" from Altech Performance. Joe, YOU ROCK, BABY!!!!! Gonna get some pics for you guys soon.
Non-Believers...Eat My Dust!!!
Peace

PLEASE GET PICTURES A.S.A.P.!!!

[jonrichert]

wicked man, can't wait to see it!

[B16KILLA]

:rocket: Believe it or not...I just had an H22A swapped into my 89 Accord Se-i sedan. I just got the car back last month and she's runnin' like a dream, but I ain't dreamin', and I still can't beleive it!. I called about 7 different shops before I could get someone to tackle this project; I had guys telling me they could do the swap in 2 days just to get me into their shop, but they were all talkin' ish. Joe from Altech performance in Toronto, Canada handled the swap for me from start to finish; Joe has swapped H22's into CRXs, Civics, and newer Accords, but never before into a 3rd gen..until now! He started the project last December and it took about 4 months to complete because he was waiting on parts, namely the wiring harness and the cable/hydraulic clutch conversion which delayed the swap for the longest time (the clutch conversion was done by a guy out of Montreal who had tons of other shit on the go at the time). Custom brackets were fabricated for the swap to accommodate the 92-95 Civic H22 mounts from Avid performance. According to Joe, lining this baby up was the hardest part of the conversion, but apparently there is plenty of room. The only spacing problem encountered was the downpipe passing the front cross member. The cross member was cut in half to make room for the downpipe and then completely reinforced. As far as axles go, the left drive shaft used was the original off the 3rd gen Accord, but the right one was custom made to fit. Voila!!! H22 3rd Gen Accord Se-iv!!! The existence of this rare swap is no longer a myth. Driving my dream has finally become reality. Props go out to Joe "The Magician" from Altech Performance. Joe, YOU ROCK, BABY!!!!! Gonna get some pics for you guys soon.
Non-Believers...Eat My Dust!!!
Peace

Alright as soon as you post some pix I'll begin to believe you.









:bs:

[Cheeseburger]

I know. thats why I didn't finish the sentance and left out lude in the title :D


i got all wet!!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks allot a20a1:slap:

[speedpenguin]

I'm actually going to believe you, simply because unlike everyone else who claims to have done it, you actually seem to know what you're talking about :cheers:
But yea, pics now please!!

[gfrg88]

WE NEED PICS!!!!!!1!!!!!!11one.......:slap:

[snoopyloopy]

call me old-fashioned, but pix of the car, with the h22 in it would really help us a lot. if the car is running in them, even better.

[gfrg88]

fuk the pix. get some vids on here of it running :D

[thegreatdane]

H22AccordSE-IV, when you say custom made passengers side axle, does that mean custom made from scratch, or an axle made up from 2 different axles?
When can we expect to see pics?

[AccordEpicenter]

hmm from toronto eh? We need to meet somewhere and race. Stock Turbo A20 Vs H22a nignogs. Thatll see whats what. Seriously

[Legend_master]

Alright as soon as you post some pix I'll begin to believe you.
:bs:

:werd:

[B16KILLA]

hmm from toronto eh? We need to meet somewhere and race. Stock Turbo A20 Vs H22a nignogs. Thatll see whats what. Seriously

I think that the a20 will own the h22 seeing as it's all dialed in, and how I like to go for the underdog.

[H22AccordSE-IV]

:cheers: I'll get pics a.s.a.p. Til' then I'll post some pics of my stock Se-i 2 years ago. Had it since 02. Now I gotta figure out how to post the pics.
:slap:

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Here are pics of my stock Se-i before the fender bender last year. I slid into the back of a delivery truck in the rain and crunched the fender, hood and right HL assembly (pissed!). The next step in my Se-i project is to restore the car: new fenders; CF hood; new trunk; new front and rear bumpers and re-bar (I just custom fit a 94-97 Accord touring lip from Stillen on a new bumber that's taking up half the floor in my room); new window and door mouldings all around; new rad support; custom flush HL conversion. I also managed to mount 2 Hella 90mm low-beam projectors w/h9 bulbs to the original brackets for the pop-ups. Figured might as well, since the right side was wrecked and I wanted to try something diff. I Still have to mount the high-beams on a custom bracket. I'm throwing in some pics of the headlight conversion in progress, along with some PS versions of it completed (the blue-green accord was not harmed in the process). You guys tell me which one you think looks the best.

Shit...that didn't work...I'll try again.

Hope these work!


http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1710/accordseiv5xu.th.jpg (http://img221.imageshack.us/my.php?image=accordseiv5xu.jpg)

Sorry about the size. Here are the others...I hope!
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/7279/accordheadlightconversioniiiic.jpg

[HostileJava]

Use the edit button in the bottom right corner of your posts. Do not make multiple posts one right after the other.

[smufguy]

yo H22Accord. You got more closeup pictures of that so called headlight conversion?

[H22AccordSE-IV]

I'm having trouble with a couple pics. Sorry, guys. I'm gonna try to get my buddy's digital camera today so I can take some nice pics for y'all.

Hey, Great Dane, I beleive that axle was a Prelude axle that was "custom cut". The first one the shop installed was cut too short, so they had to get a new one and shorten it again to fit.

Accord Epicenter, I'm down, man. I don't doubt for a second that you'd beat me though. The way you're talkin' and that killer setup you got seems like it ain't no joke. Curious - You not a big fan of swaps, or are you just really proud of the fact that you're running the original motor? Don't get me wrong; nuff props for staying with the A20. Personally, I just wanted a bigger platform to start with; H22 was my goal from the beginning, and I still think this motor and the swap itself is awesome to say the least. Get this...right before my H22 went in, my swap man actually tried to convince me to go with a bottom up built A20A. He told me that the motor had been sitting on the shelf for 2 years and that some guy with a coupe dumped 8 G's (that's right, $8,000!) into the motor itself; the guy got into a bad banger that wrote off his car, so he kept the motor and stored it 'til now. My man said it would cost me about the same price to replace the original motor with the built A20 as it would to do the custom H22 swap. In my opinion, at some point in contemplating the swap, I think he finally realized the potential problems (eg. wiring harness, fitment, positioning) he would be facing when he took on a swap of this magnitude, especially since he had never attempted it before. After all, this is the swap you only read about in fairy tales.
I better invest in some fu*kin' slicks!

Peace

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Thanks, Java.

Smuf, I need to get some shots with my boy's digi and I'll post 'em a.s.a.p. You do realize that blue-green Accord is Photoshopped, right? I mentioned that in my earlier post. That's one of my concepts for the finished product; I couldn't get the other two pics up, but one concept is with the covers replaced by a moulded clear lexan sheet, and the other has the covers cut horizontally, straight across, flush with the top of the grill and the side marker - if that helps.

[smufguy]

yeah i can see its photoshopped right outta the bat. I just want to know if the final product is as close or simliar and just wanna see how you used the empty basket to help adjust the beam dispersion.

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Smuf, the light is self contained, so the beam is dispersed from the chromed reflector/lip around the projector inside the lens. Here's a pic of the lights themselves and installed on a Miata. I've got 2 brackets bent but I still need to cut them and drill out holes to mount the high and low beams. The original brackets for the retractable headlight assembly are too abstract in shape to mount both lights on. I only managed to mount the low beams on the fender sides of the brackets because that was the only area flat enough to accommodate the positioning of the 3 adjustable mounting screws on the Hella modules. However, this is only a temporary setup so I can drive at night. My right retractor and fender were crunched in an accident and the rad support was bent (I've still got to replace it before I complete the headlight conversion). I've cut one of the covers for the slanted eye-lid, like in the picture, but I haven't decided on how I'm going to mount it yet. Obviously it's still a work in progress...
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[H22AccordSE-IV]

See general forum "Turbo H22 3rd Gen" thread.

[B16KILLA]

Ok....... still no pics of the h22 in your 3g, the thread that you started that directed me to here said something like "Complete and Running". You got me all excited :wtf:

[B16KILLA]

:slap: Wheres the pix?

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Trust me, it's done like dinner. Been runnin' sweet since the beginning of March. Put about 2k on it since. Need to get the digi cam so hold your horses. I know people be postin' all kinds of BS, but this one's for real!

G.

[B16KILLA]

You dropped 2k on it since the swap? What do you have done to the motor?
:)

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Sorry, I meant 2,000 km. My bad.

G

[B16KILLA]

Ohhhh. okay. I was thinking 2 grand WOW ,that things gotta be a beast and a half.

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Do I sense a little bit of sarcasm?

[mkymonkey]

lol i find it funny that everyone that has already "completed" a h22 swap into a 3g and dropped shitloads of money into it...cant afford a freaking digital camera. haha. i know if i swapped something into anything, i would be taking pics like a motherfucker! lol

anyway just get the pics up so you can make believers out of our sarcastic asses

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Just cuz I don't have one, doesn't mean I can't afford it...looks like our priorities are different. If you're so giddy about the fact that I don't have a digi, why don't you buy me one and make everyone happy? Y'all need to calm the f*ck down, kids, you'll get your candy soon enough!

G

[Mike's89AccordLX]

Well we've heard the same story over and over so you have to understand that we won't believe it until we see it.

And the fact that you're a fairly new member doesn't help at all either since no one really knows you on here.

You got your boys camera before just get it again. But leave the photo shop out of it.

Better yet take a picture of the motor with a $1 bill on the valve cover. After that is done then we would believe you. Close up pics not from like 50 feet away.

[wprocomp]

you have time to take pictures of your car and photoshop them but you cant take 1minute to take a pic of the swap,come on man weve been screwed with these swap threads before so you have to understand that most of us dont belive you:violin:

[speedpenguin]

you have time to take pictures of your car and photoshop them but you cant take 1minute to take a pic of the swap,come on man weve been screwed with these swap threads before so you have to understand that most of us dont belive you:violin:
:werd:
That's an understatement. We get one about once a month on a regular basis.

[mkymonkey]

or the classic "how do i swap a VTECH engine into my awesome 3g?"

lol

[Mars]

Hey guys... i was just thinking. How do i swap a vt...
/reads up
oh shi-

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Shit...just got my boys camera...took 3 pics then the battery died...went to get new batteries...got home to find my cat ate the USB cable...sorry guys.

G

[speedpenguin]

Shit...just got my boys camera...took 3 pics then the battery died...went to get new batteries...got home to find my cat ate the USB cable...sorry guys.
G
your cat... Ate the USB cable? :wtf:

[H22AccordSE-IV]

LOL Had y'all going for a sec, huh? Sorry, I thought it was pretty funny. A'ight, let's cut the bullshit and get down to business...

[Baveara]

hey boy were r the pics baby?
start talking dirty.

[speedpenguin]

:lol: I've actually heard dog before, but cat is stratching it. I'd actually believe rabbit, I used to have a rabbit who would bite into any wire she could find, we were always worried she was going to electrocute herself,

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Drum roll please! Heeeerrrre we go...
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[HostileJava]

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/6914/h2210ld.jpg
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[H22AccordSE-IV]

Let me guess...you guys want video now, right? Well chillax. I had no problem getting the pics on to my computer, but now I've gotta figure out how to get the video off of the memory card. Gimme some time, boys. I'm workin' on it!

G

[HostileJava]

I hope your not running it without a filter like that?

[gfrg88]

wow, you actually did it!!!!!! nice job man, now get some vids up of it running so we can see how good it is in out car, and get some track times for us :rockon:

[thegreatdane]

That's awesome, congratulations!

How is ground clearance with that engine? And doesnt it have any front motor mount? What ecu is running the engine?
That upper coolant hose looks a little cramped, might want to keep an eye on that.

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Ground clearance is ok. The header and oil pan sit about 2-3 inches below the original. I'm currently running the original Prelude ECU for the H22. Speed governor limits it to 185KPH right now - it's gotta go. The 3 mounts shown are it - there's no front mount.

[speedpenguin]

Wow, even though I knew it was coming, I was not prepared for the sheer awesomeness. :thumbup:
You are a true pioneer.

[B16KILLA]

Do I sense a little bit of sarcasm?

No, no sarcasm here I was just thinking about how bitchin it would be to have a 3g witha h22 and still drop 2grand into the motor.:)
BTW-It's good to see that you werent bs-ing us like all the other people who claim h22.that is one of the cleanest swap I've ever seen, congrats on that beast of a 3g

[A20A1]

Well at least we know it's goodbye front cross member.

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Pioneer!?! Wow! Thanks but I don't think I deserve the title; Joe at Altech is the REAL PIONEER. It was only my persistence and determination to get it done, and to find the guy who could get it done, and get it done right (and the fact that Joe couldn't budge me when he tried to convince me to throw in the built-up A20A) that made this dream a reality.
Thanks for all the praise, guys. I think it's really great that we can all come together and share our mutual love for 3rd gens cuz we all know it's not a car that gets a whole lot of respect. It's been a long journey, but...wait a sec...I think I'm starting to get a little emotional.
BTW, Dane, that Euro Accord is killer!!! What the hell kind of front end is that? Those lights don't look like anything I've ever seen on a Japanese, Euro or NA 3rd gen front end conversion. Wait a sec...those are just eye brows, right? That looks fu*ckin' tight!!!

[H22AccordSE-IV]

I've got video, kids!!! Now can somebody please tell me how the hell to post it?

[Legend_master]

I've got video, kids!!! Now can somebody please tell me how the hell to post it?


just sign up for a photobucket account and they will let you host videos also. Congradulations on the swap that is clean and maybe we should move this to your other threads so we can quit thread jacking this one, LOL.

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Thanks, LM. I found another one called "Putfile". BTW, that ride of yours is tighter than a virgin. Awesome set up. I envy the condition of your body (car body, that is). Mine needs quite a bit of work. Here are the vids. Fu*kin' sucks that there's no sound. I don't know if it's the digi cam or what but I would have loved for you guys to here this baby roar after 5500 rpm. Not the best quality, but I hope y'all enjoy!!!
http://media.putfile.com/Engine-Bay-95
Click here to watch HWY1 (http://media.putfile.com/HWY1)
Click here to watch HWY2 (http://media.putfile.com/HWY2)
Click here to watch HWY3 (http://media.putfile.com/HWY3)
Click here to watch Fly-By-80 (http://media.putfile.com/Fly-By-80)

[Vanilla Sky]

i'd fab up a tubular front crossmember really quick. if you don't, you'll be busting your axles and differential regularly.

[Legend_master]

Thanks, LM. I found another one called "Putfile". BTW, that ride of yours is tighter than a virgin. Awesome set up. I envy the condition of your body (car body, that is). Mine needs quite a bit of work. Here are the vids; not the best quality, but I hope y'all enjoy!!!
http://media.putfile.com/Engine-Bay-95
Click here to watch HWY1 (http://media.putfile.com/HWY1)


:edit moved to another thread

[Legend_master]

Thanks man, it looks better on film then it does in real life. As for the video there is no noise, just a video. Try getting a shot fo the tach as you are driving. Congradulationas again on the swap.

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Hey, Vanilla Sky, very perceptive. Thanks, man. Any idea what something like that would cost to fab up?

LM, I just went to your car domain site and was wondering - does Prothane make a complete bushing kit for our cars or did you have to piece it all together; I imagine that most of the bushings are interchangeable between different Hondas, but do they really offer a complete kit for a 3G? Thanks again.

[3gn86lxi]

:) edit........nm.

[carotman]

Honestly, this is a VERY nice job!

They sure look like Avid Civic mounts, no need for the front mount with those. I bet that it was one hell of a job to line up the engine in there like you said. Could you take a picture of the timing belt side mount?. I guess the frame bracket was made from a scratch too.

Again, this thing is VERY nice.

There will be a meet this summer in Toronto, it would be very nice if you could come (I plan to go too).

For that speed limiter, you could just get the ECU chipped to get rid of it. I could do that for you if you want.

[Legend_master]

Hey, Vanilla Sky, very perceptive. Thanks, man. Any idea what something like that would cost to fab up?
LM, I just went to your car domain site and was wondering - does Prothane make a complete bushing kit for our cars or did you have to piece it all together; I imagine that most of the bushings are interchangeable between different Hondas, but do they really offer a complete kit for a 3G? Thanks again.


Nopi (http://www.nopionline.com/nopistore/dsp_parts.cfm?vpcid=432&vcatid=0010&vcatyear=1989&vmodelid=010&vmakeid=140&vL1id=0&&vtitle=HONDA%20Accord%201989) they have alot of bushing items for our cars, just look around. BTW the rear bushing kit listed dosent work, so dont get that.

[Hash_man_Se_i]

Wow... I must say I'm damn impressed. Good to see someone actually get this done, and post pics. And a fellow Canadian at that.

Videos dont work for me though.

[diegoaccord]

after years and years.... you guys finally happy?

[MessyHonda]

wow that car is fast...the engine looks nice also...where is your air filter? you dont want 2 grand down the tubes when you drive by a sand lot. that this is a nice sleeper(thats wut i want now) lol yeah for some reason my digital cam does not have sounds on video mode and my friends does and he paid like 150 less...sucks hard

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Thanks again to all you guys.
Hey, Carot, you get the details on that meet, and I'm there in a heartbeat (no rhyme intended). Yeah, and about chippin' that ECU, I'd love to take you up on that offer. Thanks, man, I would really appreciate it. BTW, I included a pic of the driver's side mount in the pics I've posted earlier in this thread; if you want a better shot, angle, or close-up, let me know what you need to see and I'll get a pic for you, no prob.

G.

[snoopyloopy]

i say this thread should be stickied as a momento and so we have somewhere to point all the future hopefulls who show up with their accord and h22 "all ready to be swapped in, just as soon as we get _________." and do you think you could get the fellow who did it to answer questions on occasion if we asked him? because i know there'll be no shortage of questions now that people see one running.

[Vanilla Sky]

you should post how much that cost. i'm betting somewhere in the region of $7500 US isn't too high.

[Deadhead]

HOLY SHIT!! that's awesome.

must pull hard!

now you just have to turbo it :D

oh, and i demand vids with sound and tachs

[H22AccordSE-IV]

It is, it does, and that's the plan!

[Vanilla Sky]

ok, that makes me curious. what car was that mount kit made for? if it's something that's easily attainable and only takes a few hours to mod, it might be a worthwhile means of getting the h22 in.

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Well, I'll try to break down the costs for you guys, and this is all in Canadian $, as per my invoice.

H22 Motor, Tranny, & ECU $2,500.00
Mount Kit (Avid Racing) $500.00
OBD1 - OBD0 Harness $250.00
Modify Motor Mounts 10 HRS @ $75.00/HR = $750.00
Modify Engine Harness 5 HRS @ $75.00/HR = $375.00
Wiring 6 HRS @ $75.00/HR = $450.00
Install Shifter 2 HRS @ $75.00/HR = $150.00
Install Motor 5 HRS @ $75.00/HR = $375.00
Re & Re Engine Compartment 5 HRS @ $75.00/HR = $375.00

Sub-total $5,725.00
GST 7.00% 400.75
PST 8.00% 458.00

Total $6,583.75

Joe saved me the tax on labour, so I was only taxed for parts. So I actually paid $3,737.50 for parts (including taxes), and $2,475.00 for labor (not taxed), bringing it to a total of $6,212.50*.

*This total does not include cost of the passenger side axle which was about $150.00 plus about 1 hour labour for custom fitment.

I also had the engine bay restored and painted which cost me 800 bucks; the corners behind both shock towers, at the firewall, required new metal because they were rusting out. That doesn't include the 70 bucks for towing to the body shop, there and back, that Joe almost forgot to bill me for (damn it!).

Also, keep in mind, the swap prompted me to replace any worn or old parts that would make the car unsafe, given the fact that the car (now almost 20 years old) would have to handle almost double the power of the A20A. I replaced 2 tie-rod ends, 1 front lower ball joint, the master cylinder and brake lines. Joe also suggested I replace the upper control arms on the front end, so I ordered Ingoll's camber kit (not installed yet) since my future plans will include lowering the car. And this is just the beginning of a project that will run deep in modifications to the suspension, brakes, fuel system, etc., and the engine itself. Once you're in this deep, there's no turning back; be prepared to compliment this monster swap with a never ending list of mods and upgrades to your vehicle!

There you have it. I believe every god damn penny was worth it, and I'd do it all over again if I had to!

For anyone currently working on this swap, having it done, or planning to attempt it, I wish you success and all the best...once completed (and running), you won't be sorry - TRUST ME!!!

Peace

G.
Very proud owner of a JDM H22A '89 Accord Se-iV.

[H22AccordSE-IV]

VS, read the first post in this thread; they are Avid Racing mounts for a 92-95 Civic H22 swap. Keep in mind the brackets for the mounts were fabbed up from scratch.

G.

[newaccorddriver]

glad to see you got that H22 to work in the 3g:cheers: . i might consider buying a friends H23 engine/tranny and getting a parts car to screw around with until i finally put my car under the knife, but like most people on here, chances are i wont due to plenty of reasons. congratulations on the swap your mechanic did though, and welcome to a flame free world where you can talk about your H22 3g. your one of the very few that will inspire alot of people here

[snoopyloopy]

hmmm....so that's < US $6000 for the swap (not counting all the things you got repaired). not bad.

[Accordtheory]

Mount Kit (Avid Racing) $500.00
OBD1 - OBD0 Harness $250.00
Modify Motor Mounts 10 HRS @ $75.00/HR = $750.00
Modify Engine Harness 5 HRS @ $75.00/HR = $375.00
Wiring 6 HRS @ $75.00/HR = $450.00
Install Shifter 2 HRS @ $75.00/HR = $150.00
Install Motor 5 HRS @ $75.00/HR = $375.00
Re & Re Engine Compartment 5 HRS @ $75.00/HR = $375.00
Sub-total $5,725.00


well, enough people are riding your dong so I guess I don't have to congratulate you myself, but still, congratulations. It's cool to see another member dump a large sum of cash into a 3g, and actually complete this swap. It's weird to see all those costs added up, because I did all that shit myself with my b series. I guess I saved myself about $3k in labor..lol

[newaccorddriver]

well, enough people are riding your dong so I guess I don't have to congratulate you myself, but still, congratulations. It's cool to see another member dump a large sum of cash into a 3g, and actually complete this swap. It's weird to see all those costs added up, because I did all that shit myself with my b series. I guess I saved myself about $3k in labor..lol


when i become a pro welder, ill attempt this(already got a MIG). wiring wont be an issue for me cause if i cant get it to sit properly in the bay, theres no chance ill actually want to finish the project:slap:

[Hash_man_Se_i]

I replace the upper control arms on the front end, so I ordered Ingoll's camber kit (not installed yet) since my future plans will include lowering the car.

Do they have an application for the front of our cars now? cuz on their site they only list for the rear?

[Accordtheory]

You don't need to do that shit, get the prelude arms. Easy as f to install, cheap, adjustable from the factory, and if you bias the washers, you get a nice caster improvement. Ingalls can juggle deez balls.

[Accordtheory]

when i become a pro welder, ill attempt this(already got a MIG). wiring wont be an issue for me cause if i cant get it to sit properly in the bay, theres no chance ill actually want to finish the project:slap:
You don't need to be a pro. You just need to practice, and once you can do exhaust tubing without burning through or anything, you can weld just about anything.(well, mild steel anyway) As far as making the mounts, you do need to have a good eye though. I didn't use a level, a measuring tape, or anything to do my swap, just my eye. Some people might question my judgement on that, but I got the camber on my car within .1 degrees of factory spec by eye in my driveway after I lowered my car. The alignment shop I went to was confused about how I did that..

[newaccorddriver]

You don't need to be a pro. You just need to practice, and once you can do exhaust tubing without burning through or anything, you can weld just about anything.(well, mild steel anyway) As far as making the mounts, you do need to have a good eye though. I didn't use a level, a measuring tape, or anything to do my swap, just my eye. Some people might question my judgement on that, but I got the camber on my car within .1 degrees of factory spec by eye in my driveway after I lowered my car. The alignment shop I went to was confused about how I did that..


hah, ive been practicing a bit and ive managed to get perfect penetration and welds on a few bits of exhaust pipe i had lying around. i know nothing of doing that with engine mounts so as soon as i get an idea, an H23 3G will appear out of nowhere. right now ive got birdshit welds cause im only fluxcore, but its gas ready:)



just out of curiosity(and to keep it on topic), do you know what combination of axles they used for your H22?

[ICEMAN707]

what did you do about your speedo? since i know h22 speed sensors aren't cable driven. did the a20 speed sensor fit in place of the h22 one?

[Elijah]

Wow nice car props to all the work and money put into it. Trust me I know how much it cost to build a car. I have been working on my accord for 5 years now.

[A20A1]

I love my birdshit... :) I'm too cheap to convert to gas.

[AccordEpicenter]

this is one expensive project

[Mike's89AccordLX]

Wow is all I can say. First we thought the B16 swap was awesome then turboed stock motors. Now the beast honda motor. H22 vtec. Hurry up and turbo that bitch!

Looks very nice though.

[Accordtheory]

there is a thread on h-t "highest hp on a stock block".. so far the record for the h22 is 536 whp..

[Legend_master]

there is a thread on h-t "highest hp on a stock block".. so far the record for the h22 is 536 whp..


it is all about tuning + h22 are closed deck, so they hold boost well.

[newaccorddriver]

I love my birdshit... :) I'm too cheap to convert to gas.


im getting my friend to get me a bottle cause i can live with my birdshit, but he cant so if he wants it but i dont, then he pays for it himself. gas is there when we need it, but we dont intend to enter a show any time soon so theres no real point.

id consider buying an H23 engine and trying to fit it into a 3G though, but thats only if the H22 mounts are the same cause i got cheap access to a mount kit for an EG

[snoopyloopy]

yeah, h22/23 and f22/23 all use the same mounts. and maybe the f20b. i'm not sure about that one, though.

[L3G10N]

it is all about tuning + h22 are closed deck, so they hold boost well.

H22 are not all closed deck! They are 50-50.

[88Accord-DX]

You got some deep pockets. Nice funny with the cat ate the USB cable.(laghed at it)
Anyway, good job & lets some pics when you finish the headlight coversion.

[newaccorddriver]

You got some deep pockets. Nice funny with the cat ate the USB cable.(laghed at it)
Anyway, good job & lets some pics when you finish the headlight coversion.


deep pockets just begins to explain it. thats insanely deep compared to what our cars are worth before their modded. atleast he gave the car some hope instead of junking it and moving on to another car like alot of other owners would.

im giving my car one more chance this summer before i buy another one

[H22AccordSE-IV]

In response to all your questions in this thread: yes the Ingoll's kit is available, (about $80 a corner, Canadian) it's most likely not listed just because it's an older kit; I'll find out about the exact details on the axles for you guys, and; not sure about the speed sensor, will do the same.
Keep bringin' on the questions, guys! I'll do my best to get the answers for all of them. If I can't answer them myself, Joe will give me all the particulars.

Thanks

G.

[ICEMAN707]

does the h22 feel about the same weight as the a20? if you are using the stock 3gee suspension, from the looks of it, i say the front got a bit lighter. it raised up a bit...not sure though. but how does the car feel up front?

[Lok]

Awesome job!!!! congrats and mad props!!! I just saw this thread
maybe the best N/A Accord 3G!!!
With some good suspension set-up and 15*7 wheels with 205/50 Falkens
this will be a Fantastic sleeper!!!
Congrats again my friend!!! well spend money!! stay N/A (ITB.....).

[theDougler]

congrats on the swap H22 looks awesome and well worth and looks like it goes like stink.


[QUOTE=newaccorddriver]hah, ive been practicing a bit and ive managed to get perfect penetration and welds on a few bits of exhaust pipe i had lying around. i know nothing of doing that with engine mounts so as soon as i get an idea, an H23 3G will appear out of nowhere. right now ive got birdshit welds cause im only fluxcore, but its gas ready:)
QUOTE]
fluxcore is a overdone for welding just exhaust pipe, you should get some basic er70s-6 with a 75% or 80% argon/ 20-35% CO2 it will be a bit easier to use especially on thin gauge material. fluxcore is more for heavy duty stuff thats 1/2" and up, however if you get the 80/20 mix you can weld thicker material in spray transfer mode

[ZackieDarko]

did you have to convert to a 5lug setup?

[wprocomp]

it looks stock 4 lug to me,looks like a nightmare under the hood-you really need to have it cleaned up then itll look real nice-and how are you getting temp readings the thermostat isnt even hooked up? dosent even look like the EGR is hooked up,and yeah I hope your not running it without a intake/filter thats gonna be alot of $$$ down the drain if you suck something in there

[ZackieDarko]

my bad shoulda looked closer

i thought H22 was 5lug or am i wrong? if it is how come you didn't have to convert it?

[Oldblueaccord]

Why would a motor dictate what lug pattern too use?


Some of you guys need to think a little or maybe think a little outta the box. Axleshafts are made everyday in all kinda configurations . I have posted that here several times call a place that does driveshafts. Its not that hard to do if you can wrap you mind around it. I think you all are over complicating alotta things

And as far as the money goes it his car. :slap: And when is a hotrodded car worth anything anyway? there never worth more than 50% of the new parts value unless it a muscle car or an exotic. I just dont think you guys are getting it sometimes.

:help:


wp

[snoopyloopy]

my bad shoulda looked closer
i thought H22 was 5lug or am i wrong? if it is how come you didn't have to convert it?
no, my friend had some preludes on his civic. not sure what year they were, but i do know they're a 4 x 100 bolt pattern.

[smufguy]

Hub and axles are two different things. i dont undersatnd why some associate a hub pattern based on the motor? :huh:

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Old Blue, I think you hit the nail on the head, man. Why do you guys think this swap is so rare? It sure as hell ain't because it's impossible...and my pockets ain't that deep. I had quite a bit of money put away and when my old A20 went (rotted plumbing, burning/leaking oil, alternator, thermostat, temp sending unit, vaccum leaks, replacing one hose after another, and the list goes on) I was like, "f*ck it" - either I scrap the car, or do what I've always wanted to do from the beginning (I used to drive a Gold '88 Ex-i auto sedan from '95 to '02 but sadly, had to part with it because it was rusting to hell with almost 400,000km on it). I knew exactly what I was getting into when I decided to do this swap, and it's not like it happened overnight (that's for god damn sure). I'm probably gonna be dumping a whole lot more money into this baby over the next few years before I get it looking and running the way I want it to.
Iceman, I can't really tell cuz I hadn't driven the car for about 9 months prior to the swap completion. I don't really notice a big diff in weight...could be because a lot of old shit is gone (HL retractor units, A/C, half a cross member (lol), and power steering components will be out shortly) or at least it seems to be. Funny but it seems like I have a hell of a lot more room in the engine bay than I did before! Maybe it's just me, but I think the H22 looks a whole lot cleaner than the A20 installed. Right now I'm still using the 18 year old stock suspension which needs to go. That much I do know as far as the handling goes. I'm lookin' at a Ground Control Coil Over kit complimented by a set of Bilstein HD struts, Addco anti-sway bars (cuz they are more rear biased than the ST set, which I hear is better for FWD because it helps with oversteer), and custom strut bars.
ProComp, what would you recommend for the engine bay "clean-up". Gimme some ideas. If the thermostat ain't hooked up, I'm getting temp readings from somewhere. The EGR hook-up and filter are coming along with my camber kit install with my next stop at the mechanic...soon.

[Accordtheory]

QUOTE]
fluxcore is a overdone for welding just exhaust pipe, you should get some basic er70s-6 with a 75% or 80% argon/ 20-35% CO2 it will be a bit easier to use especially on thin gauge material. fluxcore is more for heavy duty stuff thats 1/2" and up, however if you get the 80/20 mix you can weld thicker material in spray transfer mode[/QUOTE]
I disagree with that..c02 is a much "cooler" gas than argon, that makes it easier to weld with it on thinner materials. Not to mention being a lot cheaper than argon..

[Accordtheory]

h22accordse-iv, just bask in your exclusivity..no one else is going to do this swap..

[theDougler]

QUOTE]
fluxcore is a overdone for welding just exhaust pipe, you should get some basic er70s-6 with a 75% or 80% argon/ 20-35% CO2 it will be a bit easier to use especially on thin gauge material. fluxcore is more for heavy duty stuff thats 1/2" and up, however if you get the 80/20 mix you can weld thicker material in spray transfer mode
I disagree with that..c02 is a much "cooler" gas than argon, that makes it easier to weld with it on thinner materials. Not to mention being a lot cheaper than argon..[/QUOTE]
that is correct, however the argon is also added with the co2 to stablize the arc, because you get a very eratic arc when welding with just co2

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Congrats to all you guys with 86/87 3rd gens! Being 20 years or older, believe it or not, technically makes your car a "classic" (25 or older makes it an antique!). I find that hard to grasp, but I still get a kick out of it. Keep your 3rd gens alive forever because they will soon become a very rare breed!

G

[ICEMAN707]

i would love to see a k-series swap into a 3gee someday. modern engine in a classic, fully restored body. using everything off the civic k-series swaps. just fabricate brackets to accept the civic k-series swap mounts, then custom axles and wiring. :rockon: would be nice to have a futuristic k-series engine like the ones in the 06 civic si's in the 3gee. now that would be a sight to see.

[ZackieDarko]

i would love to see a k-series swap into a 3gee someday. modern engine in a classic, fully restored body. using everything off the civic k-series swaps. just fabricate brackets to accept the civic k-series swap mounts, then custom axles and wiring. :rockon: would be nice to have a futuristic k-series engine like the ones in the 06 civic si's in the 3gee. now that would be a sight to see.

I have been thinking the exact same thing. Be expensive tho.

[speedpenguin]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves, people.
We just found out the H22 was possible, I don't know if I can handle the excitement of a K20 for a little while :D

[Vanilla Sky]

remember, any swap is possible. we've seen v8s in 2nd and 4th gens. it just takes patience and money to get it done.

[smufguy]

but practicaly should never be a trade off

[speedpenguin]

remember, any swap is possible. we've seen v8s in 2nd and 4th gens. it just takes patience and money to get it done.
I've seen a V8 in the passenger seat of a 510, but I'm talking about a clean practical swap here.
Don't tell me you didn't get excited seeing an H22 in 3G either, I don't believe it. Anything's possible, but there's a 1st-time for everything as well, and it's nice to see.
Anyway, I was just joking, I'd be psyched to see a K in one of or engine bays anytime.

[H22AccordSE-IV]

I asked my mechanic about the K24 and he said it wouldn't fit. He was working on a Civic hatch at the time that had the K24 swap with velocity stacks. Now that would be a swap for a 3rd gen!

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Somebody tell me something - and then slap me...is the JDM H22A 200HP or 220HP? My mechanic said it was 200, somebody else told me it was 215, and now I just read that it's 220 on jdmenginesamurai.com!?! WTF? Anybody?

[ZackieDarko]

As with all engines they make differnt HP in different area's of the world. Take California for example their emissions standards are the highest in the United States and their cars put out different power numbers then cars say here in Washington state.

So who knows.

[snoopyloopy]

Somebody tell me something - and then slap me...is the JDM H22A 200HP or 220HP? My mechanic said it was 200, somebody else told me it was 215, and now I just read that it's 220 on jdmenginesamurai.com!?! WTF? Anybody?
i think it depends on what model of car it came in. but i do know that they came with up to 220 in some forms. and since they don't have numbers after the second letter like we do, it's harder to find out that information. probably just get it dynoed.

I asked my mechanic about the K24 and he said it wouldn't fit. He was working on a Civic hatch at the time that had the K24 swap with velocity stacks. Now that would be a swap for a 3rd gen!
anything is possible with time, money, and determination. people said the h22 was "impossible" until you came along. so a k-series should be along the same lines. i heard that these fellows in either new zealand or australia shoved a k20 into an 86 or 87 civic. so in a 3g definitely shouldn't be impossible.

[Oldblueaccord]

Somebody tell me something - and then slap me...is the JDM H22A 200HP or 220HP? My mechanic said it was 200, somebody else told me it was 215, and now I just read that it's 220 on jdmenginesamurai.com!?! WTF? Anybody?


My research found that the "blue top" H22 is rated for 220. I never really got what it came outta in Japan. The valve cover is a medium dark blue color.


http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=641555

clear as mud : )


wp

[ICEMAN707]

I asked my mechanic about the K24 and he said it wouldn't fit. He was working on a Civic hatch at the time that had the K24 swap with velocity stacks. Now that would be a swap for a 3rd gen!

well i also have a 93 civic and if a k-series can fit in that small engine bay, it would definitely fit in the 3gee. just a matter of positioning, but the 3gee has alot more room under the hood than the civic WIDTH-wise. but the civic doesn't have crossmembers underneath or trailing arms so that could be why it has enough room underneath, it has more room HEIGHT-wise since it allows the motor to be dropped lower for more room. it uses brackets attaching the engine/tranny to the sides of the frame rail in conjunction with the top motor mounts.

as far as the front crossmember, you can use a 90-93 integra front crossmember and i believe h22's swaps are common for those cars too if im not mistaken? or just b-series swaps? anyways, i would have a custom tubular front crossmember made instead. lighter and stronger.

[Lok]

Somebody tell me something - and then slap me...is the JDM H22A 200HP or 220HP? My mechanic said it was 200, somebody else told me it was 215, and now I just read that it's 220 on jdmenginesamurai.com!?! WTF? Anybody?


JDM H22A makes 200hp/6800rpm and 161lb.ft/5500rpm when US and EURO H22A1 make 190hp/6800rpm and 158lb.ft/5500rpm.
JDM H22A has 10.6:1 C/R when US/EURO H22A1 have 10:1 C/R

There are other versions of H22 with red head cover like EDM ACCORD TYPE-R
(6th gen) with 212hp (11:1 C/R, better head, cams, intake manifold compared to the standar H22A) or the jdm Accord with F20 (blue head cover)2.0L 200hp (destroked H22A)..

H22A is the best 4 cyl car engine ever produced on auto industry (as many top auto journalist have said in the years before), and there is much more power and torque than the newer K20 and K24 engines.....so there is no need for someone to try swap a K series on Accord 3G if he can swap H22A.
Even the F20C from S2000 is totally underpowered compared with H22A until 6000rpm....
The weight difference is just 75lbs
B18C-R and K20A weight about 400lbs with Tranny when H22A weights 475lbs (with tranny).

Dear H22AccordSE-IV you can very easy go 220hp with just 2.75 inch exhaust, cat out or race cat, CAI, DC header and remap ECU with totally stock block.
Then you can work on suspension-wheels set-up and have a top N/A sleeper!

Good luck and congrats again for your car!!!

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Thanks, Lok. When you said "2.75 in exhaust", did you mean from the header back or just the muffler itself? WIth piping that large, wouldn't I lose quite a bit of low end power? Why not 2.5 inches?

Thanks

G.
Big fan of low-end torque

[Accordtheory]

I'm reading about a civic right now in an old issue of turbo and high tech performance (may 05) that has a k series swap. jdm rsx type r k20 with a cold air intake, (stock IM) toda high power cams, 'prototype racing' 4-2-1 header going to a 3" exhaust, tuned with hondata. That's all it took to get 256 whp. Lok, you still think the h22 is the best engine honda ever made?
(No offense, h22accordse-iv)
I would say look up the exhaust sizing on h-t to see what would work best on the h22. I would probably go with bigger is better though, you can always upgrade other things to match later..

[ex1z7]

Well we've heard the same story over and over so
Better yet take a picture of the motor with a $1 bill on the valve cover. After that is done then we would believe you. Close up pics not from like 50 feet away.
We don't have 1$ bills in Canada, we have loonies =)


hmmm....so that's < US $6000 for the swap (not counting all the things you got repaired). not bad.
As of today (April 22nd '06) it's 5,457.36 US Dollars, from his 6,212.50* figure.

And h22accord se-iv, nice.. Nice swap..

And you still havn't answered anyone about the filter question :P

[Lok]

I have seen Dyno chart of stock B16A with intake-header-CAI to has power gains everywhere on the dyno curve with the adition of a 2.75 inch (external) exhaust.
Was Holdener's Honda performance book with many dyno charts, and he said that allthough the sound of the engine indicates a loss of back pressure and power at low and mid rpm......the dyno had different opinion.
Stock jdm INTEGRA B18C-R 1.8L with 200hp has 2.36 inch exhaust (external) or 60mm.
And Kakimoto-R which is the best aftermarket exhaust for this car is 2.75 inch (external)..
So dear H22accordse-iv, I believe that you'll have only gains from this exhaust set-up on your jdm H22 2.2L with stock block-head.
If you ,later, go high C/R pistons, P&P head, race cams etc maybe you must consider a larger diameter than 2.75inch...
You can have Dc header-race cat-cat back 2.75' or just dc header and the exhaust 2.75' after the header......dipends the laws on your area....
One cheap solution for cat is second hand S2000 cat...
Many friends of me use it on B20VTEC 240hp+ without any problem with police, and without sacrifice performance.
They are top stock Honda cat (you can find one very easy and cheap on Honda scrap yards or performance shops (many S2000 owners use de-cat pipes)) designed for an 240hp stock engine who revs 9000rpm...

Dear AccordTheory I didn't say that H22A is the best engine Honda made, but I said that H22A is according to some top auto-correspondance journalist the best 4 cyl engine EVER BUILD for production cars NOT THE BEST 4 CYL
ENGINE HONDA EVER MADE............SIMPLY THE BEST 4 CYL ENGINE OF THE WORLD (FOR PRODUCTION CARS) EVER MADE.

LJK (Leonard) Setright maybe the best auto journalist of all epoch said that, not me.....for this, he owned a PRELUDE 4th GEN 2.2I VTEC until his death
7 sept 2005 (he keep it for 12 years, quite strange the top car journalist of the world to had the same car for 12 years!!!!):

http://motoring.independent.co.uk/features/article313713.ece

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/news/2005/09/17/db1702.xml

'He particularly loved the high engineering values of Honda, and drove a venerable Prelude Coupe until he died'


jdm K20 never makes 256whp with that mods.
I am more than sure that you talking about Dynopack Dyno which measure power on hubs and not at the wheels ( many people do that mistake).

But is not the problem how much power you get from a specific set-up.

If we take stock motors: jdm H22A 200hp is a better motor than a jdm K20A 220hp and this because of much more torque of H22A at low and mid rpm...
Both power and torque curves are better on H22A until 7000rpm and the slighty advantage of K20A at 8000rpm doesn't make any difference.
Also The power looses at the wheels, are much higher on K20a, because it makes max power at higher rpm compared to H22A.

The same happens if we compared H22A with F20C from S2000, and the difference here is even bigger through F20C is dead (compared to H22A) at
6000rpm and below ( NO I-VTEC system here).

I remember on the first Autocar S2000 test, all the test-drivers agree that a similar (on power characteristics) prelude motor unit would be better and more flexible for S2000 than the F20C.


H22A=dream engine

[Lok]

Just for the record:

One of his last articles:

http://motoring.independent.co.uk/comment/article43967.ece


LJK Setright :

http://www.nzmotorsport.co.nz/content/newsarticle.cfm?pLive&id=6025

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Thanks, guys.
ex1z7, I mentioned earlier on this thread, I'd get my Ingall's camber kit installed and my intake during my next stop at Altech; I don't have the camber kit in yet cuz it's tough scheduling an appointment when I usually work 6 days a week and the shop ain't open on weekends. I went to see Joe today (happy birthday, buddy!) and he threw me a short ram intake (thanks again) with a K&N filter he had lying around the shop as a temporary setup until I can get my CAI fabbed up. It's pretty filthy so I've got to clean it up a bit.
I wasn't driving with it before (call me stupid), and I can only justify this because it was colder a few weeks ago and I hear a lot of guys take their intakes off during the winter because it's not as dry and there isn't as much dust on the road. As soon as I clean it today, believe me, it's going in!
Here's a pic of the intake and the Ingall's camber kit.
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/353/1456047yf.jpg
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/5889/1450389av.jpg

[Oldblueaccord]

I have the rear Ingalls it works for sure. Get the poly bushing. and it needs the ball joint as well it don't come with it from Ingalls unless you order theres which is like 50$ and the moog ones is like 23$. Poly does squeek of course and it comes assembled so its hard to grease. You cant really press it back out its molded right into the part.

The front I have a similar kit but with 3 holes not the slots. It works as well but i dont know how much adjustment it will give you maybe -2 degrees on a stock ride height car. You might and I say might swap the passenger side and drivers side parts depending on how the slots go and get more if you need it.

The front rubber bushing/sleeve deal do something with as well. Get poly bushing if you can. I pitched the whole thing and use steel sleeves press into the arms with a bolt thru that.

Get the stru rod bushing changed out with the moog replacement. There very hard. Honda sells them. Poly if you can find it. Or go with solid bushing or a replacement link setup like from Level 10 ? i think suspension. Since your front beams been cut you shoulda anyway.

I posted this stuff before here in the suspension section quick search should turn it up or PM me.

wp

[speedpenguin]

Just for the record:
One of his last articles:
http://motoring.independent.co.uk/comment/article43967.ece
LJK Setright :
http://www.nzmotorsport.co.nz/content/newsarticle.cfm?pLive&id=6025
Wow, he really was a great writer!
Too bad I get to find out about him after he died. :(

[bullard123]

Wow where have I been? I can't believe someone actually completed this swap! You get much props from me and welcome aboard! I sure would like to see you and accord epicenter or wicked accord compare track times.

[gfrg88]

wickedaccord would own everyone on here :D GO SOCAL!!!!

[Accordtheory]

I have the rear Ingalls it works for sure. Get the poly bushing. and it needs the ball joint as well it don't come with it from Ingalls unless you order theres which is like 50$ and the moog ones is like 23$. Poly does squeek of course and it comes assembled so its hard to grease. You cant really press it back out its molded right into the part.
The front I have a similar kit but with 3 holes not the slots. It works as well but i dont know how much adjustment it will give you maybe -2 degrees on a stock ride height car.

Why not just use longer bolts and washers for the rear and the 84-87 prelude arms for the front? No point in spending more money to get the same (or possibly inferior on the front) results..

[Oldblueaccord]

Why not just use longer bolts and washers for the rear and the 84-87 prelude arms for the front? No point in spending more money to get the same (or possibly inferior on the front) results..

Well since you got 7 post. 6 of them post pads on this thread I will respond. I am behind several.

Longer bolts and washers, if your talking the rear, dont give negative camber they give positve. The Ingalls rear arm gives your whatever you want prolly +10 degress either way. You get poly ends and you get a replaceable ball joint. I go thur the joints every 2 years or so. I have ahad my car since 1994 and I actually drive it quite a few miles a year.

84 -87 preludes arms. At the time I bought my kit I didn't know about this. I new about this site but avoided it since your buddy Sean was here selling his pipe dreams and peanuts. I don't know if im hip on the slotted design on them and Honda wasn't too much either since they came and went pretty quick. The kit I use is a Specialty products and has 3 holes. one for positive camber and 2 for negative ( that may be switched around not sure at this point) so no way the bolts can slip but not infintely adjustable as the Ingalls setup I would assume.

So, now like you say in Cali "please get off my dong" or is that thong im not sure ?


wp

[Accordtheory]

I'm not on your dong..or your thong, you homo.. and ha ha, my buddy sean..yeah, go fuck yourself. :) All I'm saying is on the rear, all you need to do is move the upper arm out to get rid of the camber when you lower the car, longer bolts and washers do that just fine. If you need to replace your ball joint anyway, and/or want the poly bushing, I won't argue with you if you favor the aftermarket arm. On the front, the prelude arms do give you caster adjustability, by where you put the washers to fit the narrower arm into the accord bolt piece. Also by effectively increasing the length of the arm instead of moving the swivel point, (ingalls kit) you get slightly less of a rate of camber gain throughout the rest of the suspension travel.

either way, whatever people decide to do is up to them, I'm just airing out another option.

[smufguy]

they do sell lower control arms in the rear for our cars to adjust the camber. It basically pulls the lower ball joint in, rather than the conventional upper camber kit which replaces the upper control arm. Nopi has them i suppose.

[sinisterfuzzy]

i love this thing so awesome..

[aerokid1987]

Damn how the hell did I miss this thread??? I hadn't seen this until today! ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!!!!

[A20A3quippedbeast]

holy shit dude that car is fxckin amazing. when i got my accord i thought bout h22a swaps but errbody was like "youre nuts you cant do that" well they can eat their hearts out. we need some vids w/sound now cuz i wanna here that thing howl at 6k. anyways props on the swap/car hope you can get a turbo in there after the hemorrage in your wallet stops. haha. jp man, jp.

[accord upset]

hey h22 did u ever find out how they did the speedometer?? o and much props on the swap or at least the dertermination to do the swap. nice job anyways

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Thanks for the props y'all. Accord Upset, I imagine the speedometer would be hooked up the same as with the A20. No?

From A20A3 - "anyways props on the swap/car hope you can get a turbo in there after the hemorrage in your wallet stops. haha. jp man, jp."
LOL. Turbo's the plan, man. I could dip into my investment again but I'd rather save up for it. The swap was the exception cuz I needed a new engine at the time (the A20 was rotten along with the plumbing and everything else) and figured f*uck it, If I'm doin' this, I'm goin' H22 all the way baby! Soon...

Here's a brief update on my mods, boys.
-Ground Control Coil-Overs
-Bilstein Heavy Duty Struts
-Front suspension kit from E-Bay(replaced all front suspension components minus front lower control arms)
-K&N air intake

The front suspension is now super tight and she handles like a dream! Next I wanna get the ST front anti-sway bar and Addco rear.
I also had a tune up and valve job 2 weeks ago when I got my suspension installed. I've still gotta go back to get the Ingoll's camber kit installed. I was gonna get it powder coated with the other suspension components but I figure rust proofing is a hell of a lot cheaper.

Any ideas, guys? I'm having a little trouble with stuttering and hesitation when applying steady pedal pressure. My mech suggested we try the tune up, valve job, and fuel treatment first, but after all that, the problem still persists; It seems like the fuel cuts out at 6300 RPM but I don't know if that's just a rev limiter. Seems to stutter in 4th or 5th gear mostly at about 140 km/h but it happens sparatically and there doesn't seem to be any consistency as to when it will happen. My mech guessed it may be a lack of fuel due to the increased size and power of the engine; the next step is to change the fuel pump but i've got to make some time to get it done. I was leaning towards a Walbro 255lph pump but my mech said it's too much for the stock set-up right now. Hope a new pump will solve the problem. Could it be a prob with my wiring or ECU?

[Hash_man_Se_i]

It could very well be a fuel supply problem, I'm not sure the stock specs on our cars, but I would definately upgrade to the Walbro pump.

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Well, I replaced my fuel pump with an aftermarket pump from Koyosan($190) and just figured out I had a faulty ECU! My mech gave me a chipped P28 from a Civic Si, told me to plug it in and take my car for a test drive.
Whoa!!! What a fuc*in' difference! Quicker throttle response, quicker acceleration, no hesitation! Feels like I just had another engine swap! Anyway, needless to say, I ended up buying the chipped P28 for $280 CAD. I think it was damn well worth it! Anybody want a P13? lol

G.

[MessyHonda]

Well, I replaced my fuel pump with an aftermarket pump from Koyosan($190) and just figured out I had a faulty ECU! My mech gave me a chipped P28 from a Civic Si, told me to plug it in and take my car for a test drive.
Whoa!!! What a fuc*in' difference! Quicker throttle response, quicker acceleration, no hesitation! Feels like I just had another engine swap! Anyway, needless to say, I ended up buying the chipped P28 for $280 CAD. I think it was damn well worth it! Anybody want a P13? lol
G.

dude you got to make another thread with all your specs so i can nominate your for Accord of the month.....lol any updates to anything else?

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Thanks Mess, but my exterior needs tons of work, so I don't think she's ready for Accord of the month...yet! I just finished one side of my flush headlight conversion, minus the HL cover. I think my next step is going to be a custom intake manifold; lookin' at about 200hp at the wheels after that!

G.

[frantik]

nice engine mang.. and looking forward to seeing those headlighs completed too that photoshop concept looked mean

[snoopyloopy]

nice, sounds like you're really coming along with your project there. your car must fear into more than a few at the track/stoplight if they knew what was underneath the hood.

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Hey Bullard123,
Congrats on Accord of the Month! Nice fuc*in' ride. I'm really impressed. Can't wait 'til I get my shell restored.

G

[ChaseR]

Hey man Did you get the Cosmetic issues with your car taken care of so someone can nominate your car for AOM?

[A20A3quippedbeast]

Thanks for the props y'all. Accord Upset, I imagine the speedometer would be hooked up the same as with the A20. No?
From A20A3 - "anyways props on the swap/car hope you can get a turbo in there after the hemorrage in your wallet stops. haha. jp man, jp."
LOL. Turbo's the plan, man. I could dip into my investment again but I'd rather save up for it. The swap was the exception cuz I needed a new engine at the time (the A20 was rotten along with the plumbing and everything else) and figured f*uck it, If I'm doin' this, I'm goin' H22 all the way baby! Soon...
Here's a brief update on my mods, boys.
-Ground Control Coil-Overs
-Bilstein Heavy Duty Struts
-Front suspension kit from E-Bay(replaced all front suspension components minus front lower control arms)
-K&N air intake
The front suspension is now super tight and she handles like a dream! Next I wanna get the ST front anti-sway bar and Addco rear.
I also had a tune up and valve job 2 weeks ago when I got my suspension installed. I've still gotta go back to get the Ingoll's camber kit installed. I was gonna get it powder coated with the other suspension components but I figure rust proofing is a hell of a lot cheaper.
Any ideas, guys? I'm having a little trouble with stuttering and hesitation when applying steady pedal pressure. My mech suggested we try the tune up, valve job, and fuel treatment first, but after all that, the problem still persists; It seems like the fuel cuts out at 6300 RPM but I don't know if that's just a rev limiter. Seems to stutter in 4th or 5th gear mostly at about 140 km/h but it happens sparatically and there doesn't seem to be any consistency as to when it will happen. My mech guessed it may be a lack of fuel due to the increased size and power of the engine; the next step is to change the fuel pump but i've got to make some time to get it done. I was leaning towards a Walbro 255lph pump but my mech said it's too much for the stock set-up right now. Hope a new pump will solve the problem. Could it be a prob with my wiring or ECU?


once you get it running and have a good tune, grab your video camera, i wanna see that thing do 140mph (200+kmh) hehe. congrats again man, it sounds like its gonna handle as well...i also like those exposed headlights

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Thanks Accordingly. Your whip looks tight!!! I envy how clean it looks. I'm looking to get mine fully restored but it's gonna cost me about 4Gs. I need new rockers, quarters, fenders, re-bars, rear bumper, all window mouldings, hood, trunk lid etc. I've got a couple holes in the trunk that need patching and one under the front cowel that's causing a leak under the passenger side dash. My floor and underbody need some work too. Hopefully I'll have the cosmetics done by Spring. When the car goes into the body shop I'll keep you posted. Thanks.

Hey A20A3, I barried the needle at 220K.
What sucks now is that after a month of driving my P28 got fried because of bad wiring (I'm convinced that my mech fucked something up or left some wires loose when he did the original wiring for the swap) I had to go back to my stuttering P13 (sucks hard) and I'm waiting on my mech's buddy to look at the P28 to see if he can fix it.

[ChaseR]

Hey thanks man, But thats a Gran Turismo pic, However my car is in that good of shape body wise and After I get it painted Championship White It will look like that...

[speedpenguin]

Wow, you actually came back, I thought we'd never see you again.

[MessyHonda]

yeah he needs some videos with sound....do a photoshoot or something...keep us updated....we like that type of stuff here.

[A20A3quippedbeast]

Thanks Accordingly. Your whip looks tight!!! I envy how clean it looks. I'm looking to get mine fully restored but it's gonna cost me about 4Gs. I need new rockers, quarters, fenders, re-bars, rear bumper, all window mouldings, hood, trunk lid etc. I've got a couple holes in the trunk that need patching and one under the front cowel that's causing a leak under the passenger side dash. My floor and underbody need some work too. Hopefully I'll have the cosmetics done by Spring. When the car goes into the body shop I'll keep you posted. Thanks.
Hey A20A3, I barried the needle at 220K.
What sucks now is that after a month of driving my P28 got fried because of bad wiring (I'm convinced that my mech fucked something up or left some wires loose when he did the original wiring for the swap) I had to go back to my stuttering P13 (sucks hard) and I'm waiting on my mech's buddy to look at the P28 to see if he can fix it.


HAHA, YES!! is she stable at that speed? sucks how your ecu is messed up tho :( well keep us posted w/pics man!

[H22AccordSE-IV]

I just picked up a digi cam last month so i'll get some video and pics for y'all. And yes, she is solid at 220km...no shake or shudder at all.

Hey Accordingly, I don't beleive that's a Gran Turismo pic. I love that game; do they actually have a 3rd gen in it and which version is it?

G.

[Legend_master]

I just picked up a digi cam last month so i'll get some video and pics for y'all. And yes, she is solid at 220km...no shake or shudder at all.
Hey Accordingly, I don't beleive that's a Gran Turismo pic. I love that game; do they actually have a 3rd gen in it and which version is it?
G.


definitly a grand turismo pic, it is from my collection

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/IMG0005.jpg

[rdn86lude]

About how much did it cost in total for everything?

[MessyHonda]

About how much did it cost in total for everything?

read post 73 YA NOOB!....lol jp with ya

[ChaseR]

the 3rd Gen in GT4 is the 88 Accord Coupe, Looks like an LXi to Me, but if you zoom in on the badge in the photo booth it says "import edition". IT also has rear disc brakes so who knows...

[ICEMAN707]

wow, didn't know they had a 3gee in GT4. too bad GT4 doesn't really show the engine mods to make the 3gee as fast as it is in the game. how fast is the 3gee in the game anyways with all the mods? how much hp?

[Legend_master]

wow, didn't know they had a 3gee in GT4. too bad GT4 doesn't really show the engine mods to make the 3gee as fast as it is in the game. how fast is the 3gee in the game anyways with all the mods? how much hp?


250HP or so with turbo and fully built motor. I think it is actually an understatement for the amount of parts put into it.

[ICEMAN707]

Yeah we could only fantasize about those parts put into it in the game too. I wish it was that easy.

BTW, Legend, I like the new sig. Are those wheels off a teg? They look bigger than usual on your car. I thought they were only like 15's? I like the new look. All it needs is paint and tint!

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Just got some good news! My fried p28 is an easy fix; one of the capacitors burned out so it'll only cost me about 30-40 bucks! Whew! Just have to wait on this computer guy to get back to my shop.

[MessyHonda]

Just got some good news! My fried p28 is an easy fix; one of the capacitors burned out so it'll only cost me about 30-40 bucks! Whew! Just have to wait on this computer guy to get back to my shop.

how much is a new p28...or used?

[H22AccordSE-IV]

Well, I paid $280 CAD for a used one with a chip in it. I imagine a used P28 alone would run you at least $175, maybe $150 USD.

[halxi]

it is all about tuning + h22 are closed deck, so they hold boost well.

lol not quite... only SOME are closed deck, not all. Depends on year basically.

[Johnny O]

Good job , I am impressed with the swap, I thought I spent alot you have me beat. Go to see another one on the street, mine is track only. That crossmember looks scary, maybe you should get that reinforced you do not want that to bend or break, not good.

[H22AccordSE-IV]

You got an H22 in yours too? Nice!!! Any pics?

[Johnny O]

yeah it is this forum

[rfiks]

i would love to see a k-series swap into a 3gee someday. modern engine in a classic, fully restored body. using everything off the civic k-series swaps. just fabricate brackets to accept the civic k-series swap mounts, then custom axles and wiring. :rockon: would be nice to have a futuristic k-series engine like the ones in the 06 civic si's in the 3gee. now that would be a sight to see.
:Owned2:



the k-series is no more... the g23 took its spot. its cheaper to build and waay more horse than the k.:werd:
im curious to find out if any1 has successfully swapped a f22 or F23(yea). ile look around)
ok-ok. i hear the h22 mounts up the same as a f23(or f22) sooo.... its now possible to swap a f23(f22)????
im interested in the mounts used for your (h22) swap-where can i find them???

[ICEMAN707]

more hp and torque than the k24 of the TSX type-s? or the K23 turbo from the RDX? you can get the regular k24's off the newer honda accords pretty cheap, the swap won't be though.

what about engine management and axles for the g23?

[rfiks]

more hp and torque than the k24 of the TSX type-s? or the K23 turbo from the RDX? you can get the regular k24's off the newer honda accords pretty cheap, the swap won't be though.

what about engine management and axles for the g23?

yes! and who said anything about a turbo dude? im talking about a n/a engine. but i guess u could turbo it but i dont know any thing about turbo #s.

when h22 head and pistons are used on a f23 block w/ f23 internals (exept pistons) you end up with 2306cc of displacement and a compression ratio of 11.72.1

[gfrg88]

yes! and who said anything about a turbo dude? im talking about a n/a engine. but i guess u could turbo it but i dont know any thing about turbo #s.

when h22 head and pistons are used on a f23 block w/ f23 internals (exept pistons) you end up with 2306cc of displacement and a compression ratio of 11.72.1

It's not hard to get more horsies out of an engine when you take it apart and change internals and other crap. Of course doing that will be faster than a stock engine. IF you do the same thing to a K then the K will still be better than the g23.... I still would choose the G23 with the super low CR and turbo over any K. I have all three H22, F22, and K24. SO I've got a pretty good choice for whatever I wanna do... I just need the money lol

[rfiks]

It's not hard to get more horsies out of an engine when you take it apart and change internals and other crap. Of course doing that will be faster than a stock engine. IF you do the same thing to a K then the K will still be better than the g23.... I still would choose the G23 with the super low CR and turbo over any K. I have all three H22, F22, and K24. SO I've got a pretty good choice for whatever I wanna do... I just need the money lol

well im kinda low on cash my self i just want cheap, reliable hp.

if you want low cr on a g23 get new pistons... i bought the block and head from my brother and he used the stock (f23) pistons. but with the high lift head, the valves lifted right into the piston:uh: (partspartsparts)

[ChaseR]

man this thread is ancient.

[ZackieDarko]

man this thread is ancient.


fa sho

[gfrg88]

well im kinda low on cash my self i just want cheap, reliable hp.

if you want low cr on a g23 get new pistons... i bought the block and head from my brother and he used the stock (f23) pistons. but with the high lift head, the valves lifted right into the piston:uh: (partspartsparts)

if you use the stock pistons, it will already be really low CR.. But a cheap (kinda) alternative would be some type s pistons.. I would just get some wiseco pistons if i were to get new pistons though...

[rfiks]

if you use the stock pistons, it will already be really low CR.. But a cheap (kinda) alternative would be some type s pistons.. I would just get some wiseco pistons if i were to get new pistons though...

i got stock h22a pistons

[gfrg88]

i got stock h22a pistons

oooh.. yeah, I don't know what CR that would give you... You should just get some rsx pistons, or even better some wiseco pistons for the rsx ;)

[rfiks]

can you post more pictures of the the mounts?

[GHOSTKING_23]

Yo bro I always been dying to my my 86 accord lxi hatch back to h22a ppl sed it was a lot of money and a lot of work to do but you made it sound like not that much money can you post up some pics cuz dang ii am dying to see that swap

[89T]

its been almost 3 years since this thread had a post...

[GHOSTKING_23]

REALLY DANG I aint kno.. cud u send me pics of it to my fone. num is 717-***-615*

Dont post personal info, use PM tools.
-Tomisimo

[GHOSTKING_23]

and if it aint to much to ask can u send me pics of ur customed brakets, cross member dwnpipe and axles plz

[kimar2k5]

Talk about a sleeper 3rd gen. H22 up and running.

[kimar2k5]

how does ur 3rd gen run

[kimar2k5]

mine runs really well

[kimar2k5]

everytime i pop my hood, ppl like what the f**k. how did u get that to fit

[kimar2k5]

and if it aint to much to ask can u send me pics of ur customed brakets, cross member dwnpipe and axles plz


i could

[kimar2k5]

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/7542/1000859q.jpg

[kimar2k5]

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/7343/1000865b.jpg

[A18A]

one of the best first posts ive seen on this site

[jesus_charger]

did he just have a convo by himself?..... nice swap by the way!

[Legend_master]

one of the best first posts ive seen on this site

Agreed, it took me a minute to figure out what was going on lol.

Nice swap Kimar, you should make your own thread to show it off better.

[obdriver6]

I was like "WTF is this newb doing?" but damn you left me speechless and yes make your own thread!

[MessyHonda]

i see a hdubdub

[87Lxi3dr]

I build the g23 in my bb6 now I'm thinking about putting 1 in my 87 hatch. U said u used civic h22 mounts?

[86hblxi]

i would of been like WTF!!!!! also seeing one of does bad boys in a 3geez accord..... shoot i believe that is one of the best sleeper 3geez accord ever bro mad nice its really sweet

[gfrg88]

yeah, bro!

[A18A]

I build the g23 in my bb6 now I'm thinking about putting 1 in my 87 hatch. U said u used civic h22 mounts?

is that a typo or do you actually have a g series in a prelude?? if so, pics?

[gfrg88]

"g-series" are pretty common nowadays..

[A18A]

okay fail i had to look that up. i was thinking of the 5 cylinder ones

[AccordEpicenter]

its not that im against swaps, and I can def apprieciate a well executed and clean swap like this one, I just think that 6 or 7k is alot of money for say... 200whp?

[defiance]

any updates on this old thread ?

[alali3091]

What did u do? because I too am looking to swap my A16A with a H22A, but I want to keep it Auto, since genuinely it was Auto.... please lemme know

[A18A]

it would be easier doing a h22 swap if you're leaving it auto, cause then you don't have tow worry about the clutch setup (the annoyingest problem i had) and the shifter would probably work with very little modification too. only problem i see is the auto gearbox probably being a bit wider, meaning it will be a tighter fit in the engine bay. it will fit though :) it's been done before

[ChaseR]

Is this car still running?

[Dlocklear]

I have an 86 accord lx transmission is gone in it an i wanna swap it what all could fit an what all would have to be done to it