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SQ is the SQUAD
04-16-2006, 12:34 PM
i got just about everythng i need to start my turbo porject. just waiting on a few more parts to come in.

setup:
stock great condiditon a20a
2g dsm t25 ( until i get everythnig running good, then t3/t4)
eaby greddy style bov
cca 31" fmic
custom long manifold
msd sci ingition box
2.5" intercooler piping
2.5" exhuast piping
2.5" x 8" flex section
2.5" car sound high flow cat
pasesetter exhaust
rc 370 injectors



i still need
odb1 conversion
5 spd tranny
clutch
lightweight flywheel
wideband o2 sensor
egr block off
cash


ill add pics later after i go masterbate and take a nap

AccordEpicenter
04-16-2006, 12:50 PM
lol. Victor just pinch the egr tube off at the intake manifold, or cap it. Leave the egr valve on it. Got pics of this custom manifold?

MessyHonda
04-16-2006, 12:53 PM
lol its funny how you put cash on stuff you need. yeah i like your threads since they are filled with pictures...keep up the good work...and where are the pics?

SQ is the SQUAD
04-16-2006, 12:59 PM
here goes the pics (my best investment was a digi cam )

dsm 2g t25

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/333/picture1800ty.jpg

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/4592/picture1799zy.jpg

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5232/picture1788vd.jpg

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9787/picture1779cs.jpg

oil adapter, may not use

http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/7083/oiladapter45qu.jpg

http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/2346/oiladapter28fh.jpg

bov
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2662/bov34xn.jpg

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8274/bov28cv.jpg

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/7594/bov11no.jpg

SQ is the SQUAD
04-16-2006, 01:04 PM
audi 5000 esternal wastegate (for when i upgrade turbos)
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/8167/wg31eh.jpg


http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/3339/wg24st.jpg

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1329/wg2kk.jpg

not sure if i can use these plugs
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6374/plugs6hg.jpg

rc injectors
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2443/injectors5qn.jpg

log manifold parts
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/6981/turbomani22tb.jpg

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/3077/turbomani4os.jpg

stealthmode oil line kit
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/42/oilkit1xk.jpg

cca intercooler ( i still need to weld it )
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/4347/intercooler23ho.jpg

with bumper
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/3248/intercooler33oy.jpg

SQ is the SQUAD
04-16-2006, 01:06 PM
misc stuff laying around

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9132/turbostuff0my.jpg

just flange on head
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/9136/flangeon4ws.jpg

i dont think ill be able to do these fogs with the intercooler piping, we will see
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/1600/fogs7ku.jpg

SQ is the SQUAD
04-16-2006, 01:10 PM
some of the things i dont understand:

with converting to odb1 will i need a fmu?
what should i get for an enexpensive wideband setup for tuning. will be runnig chiped ecu, not sure what program.

i have a aftermarket fuel pressure regulator, am i gonna need it on this set up.

i am reading some of seand old stuff and i am trying to figure out all the crap i can get rid of. i just want the very basice, i dont need any emissions stuff

A20A1
04-16-2006, 01:42 PM
I thought they suggest regular plugs when going turbo. Or was it the Platinums that had hard to regap tips that were bad (eg. Platinum +4's)?

I guess those irridiums allow you to adjust the gap so they should be okay.
What heat range are they?

SQ is the SQUAD
04-16-2006, 01:44 PM
i know nothnig about spark plugs. i was hoping someone could tune me in

Hash_man_Se_i
04-16-2006, 02:07 PM
From my understanding you should be just fine using iridiums, just run less gap then you would stock.

Looks good though, be sure to keep us updated.

BTW< what shifter is that? i'm assuming some sort of short shifter?

SQ is the SQUAD
04-16-2006, 02:22 PM
its a 90-93 teg short shifter. i was gonna use it with my b81a in the hatch but thats gone now so i am going to try to get it to work in the coupe

cubert
04-16-2006, 02:43 PM
i thought MA had emissions testing? or is it only on cars back to a certain year? Im not sure..i just bring my pollution emitting vehicles down into the state from NH :lol:


Looking real good...id love to see it when its done

SQ is the SQUAD
04-16-2006, 03:03 PM
we have emission testing

Legend_master
04-16-2006, 06:46 PM
i got just about everythng i need to start my turbo porject. just waiting on a few more parts to come in.
setup:
stock great condiditon a20a
2g dsm t25 ( until i get everythnig running good, then t3/t4)
eaby greddy style bov
cca 31" fmic
custom long manifold
msd sci ingition box
2.5" intercooler piping
2.5" exhuast piping
2.5" x 8" flex section
2.5" car sound high flow cat
pasesetter exhaust
rc 370 injectors
i still need
odb1 conversion


5 spd tranny
clutch
lightweight flywheel
wideband o2 sensor
egr block off
cash
ill add pics later after i go masterbate and take a nap



That awsome dude seems like you are coming along quickly with the turbo project. As for the EGR, you could go ahead and match a b16 intake manifold to the head and not have to worry about blocking the EGR.

Legend_master
04-16-2006, 07:02 PM
It pays to have an emissions hookup.

Too bad I don't have one anymore. Dude got canned, I had to deal with an asshole last time.

fucker made me take off my Atari joystick shift knob.


with the obd1 setup he should not have to worry about emmisions. I bet the car will run cleaner then it had before.

SQ is the SQUAD
04-16-2006, 07:07 PM
i know abot 10 different place i could go. it cost a lil more but hey

SQ is the SQUAD
04-16-2006, 07:09 PM
i think first thing tuesday morning i am going to the junkyard to find a tranny.

cke, do you know how much your jy charges if you pull one off yourself?

speedpenguin
04-16-2006, 07:18 PM
They're usually pretty cheap.
I can get one for $75 plus tax.

SQ is the SQUAD
04-16-2006, 07:38 PM
if i can get one for under 150 ill be happy

Justin86
04-16-2006, 07:44 PM
looks like you got most off your stuff. I would recomend against the t3/t4, you really need to rev the shit out of your engine to make decent boost. Maybe that what you want but on the streets/daily driving they suck IMO.
As for the tuning unless you are paying to have it done a dyno with all their sensors I would highly recomend on a good wideband and EGT sensor, along with an ECU capable of dataloging. I'd go with the PLX R-500 and it all worth the $500 price tag. AEM is ok but over priced for their wideband.

SQ is the SQUAD
04-16-2006, 07:50 PM
would a regular t3 be more suitable. the t25 is too small, the t3/t4 is too big, what is a just right sized turbo?

jeedag
04-17-2006, 12:51 AM
i got just about everythng i need to start my turbo porject. just waiting on a few more parts to come in.

setup:
stock great condiditon a20a
2g dsm t25 ( until i get everythnig running good, then t3/t4)
eaby greddy style bov
cca 31" fmic
custom long manifold
msd sci ingition box
2.5" intercooler piping
2.5" exhuast piping
2.5" x 8" flex section
2.5" car sound high flow cat
pasesetter exhaust
rc 370 injectors



i still need
odb1 conversion
5 spd tranny
clutch
lightweight flywheel
wideband o2 sensor
egr block off
cash


ill add pics later after i go masterbate and take a nap
where did you get ur turbo?
i have a 89 lxi too

w00tw00t111
04-17-2006, 03:31 AM
Hey Victor everything's looking tip-top! GL with the rest of the install, we should just add your name to the list of turbo-ed 3geez. BTW I have a chipped P75 ecu *uberdata* If you'd like it just let me know. Now that I'm not turboing I have quite a few spare parts that I need to get rid off. Just thought I'd let you know.Just keep us updated :)

AccordEpicenter
04-17-2006, 05:36 AM
T3 60/48 should give you excellent results, fully boosted around 3000, pretty responsive, supports 300hp and cheap. Plus uses a straight up T3 flange. I rock a T3 60/63 so its got a bigger turbine side but that gives me big top end. Do not use those denso Iridiums. Get some straight up NGK bpr7es, 2 steps colder than stock.

speedpenguin
04-17-2006, 06:46 AM
if i can get one for under 150 ill be happy
If you can't find one then I can probably pull one and send it to you for less than that.

Justin86
04-17-2006, 09:56 PM
yea your standard T3 is nice, I'm using a 42/48. If you haven't read max boost, do and compare compressor maps. Find your est. VE and see what turbo will work best with the boost you are lookin for.

SQ is the SQUAD
04-24-2006, 02:42 PM
i got some more stuff in today, some is turbo related, some isent, enjoy the pics. waiting to hear back from the fab shop about my manifold

ebay oil catch can

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/9430/oilcatchcan1zx.jpg

2.5 exhaust pipe kit, 2.5 intercooler pipe kit (they both are the same) and magnaflow carsound 2.5 high flow cat

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1669/pipekit1ld.jpg

2.5 flex pipe

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/733/flexpipe4on.jpg

i got 2 of these, 12" slim fans

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/479/slimfan3ni.jpg

taillight paint, red and somke, i dident realize the cans would be so small. i had a feeling though.

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5569/taillightpaint7jl.jpg

cool emblems

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1023/emblems8dk.jpg

electronice trunk release

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2387/trunksilanoid8vu.jpg

jdm corners

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/2685/jdmcorners1lw.jpg

sei armrest and cupholder

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/9975/seiarmrest5nc.jpg

MessyHonda
04-24-2006, 02:52 PM
that armrest is mest up...lol cool stuff tho

SQ is the SQUAD
04-24-2006, 02:53 PM
i am looking at mufflers right now. i a want someting kinda low key and quiet. i will prob cheap out and get one of these.

belive it or now, the ebay twinloops come highly recommeneded from honda-tech. they are suposed to be quiet, and if you can hide the ugly loop it wont look too bad
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/UNIVERSAL-JDM-TWIN-LOOP-MUFFLER-EXHAUST-4-TIP-2-5-INLET_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33636QQitemZ80583 81352QQrdZ1
http://www.trendgear.net/auto/Twin_loop_muffler_muf-051.jpg

i like the way this one looks, not really sure on its function
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OBX-Greddy-SP-Universal-Muffler-Nissan-240sx-200sx-SP2_W0QQitemZ8058334361QQcategoryZ33636QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem
http://ludeatic.com/ebay/MV1018%206.jpg

gfrg88
04-24-2006, 03:57 PM
ive got a very nice leather armrest you can replace that one with. those are some nice things, how much did you get your cat for??

mkymonkey
04-24-2006, 11:46 PM
how much did you get your cat for??

what he said and can you supply a link please? i just bought a magnaflow muffler to start my 2.5" setup and ive been looking at cats but cant find any on ebay so show me the way my friend.

oh were you the one that stole my freaking jdm lights by outbidding me by one buck?!?!?! bastard lol jk i know it wasnt you

A20A1
04-25-2006, 12:59 AM
http://thedodgegarage.com/turbo/turbo_20.jpg

Although there isn't turbo specific mufflers listed you still may want to read this, there is a lot of good N/A tech exhaust tuning for anyone interested:
Post #13 talks about the Dynomax and Cyclone Sonic Turbo. Which were listed in the above backpressure chart...
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139142&page=1&pp=20


Magnaflow (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MPE%2D14316&N=4294922710+4294791975+4294906128+115&autoview=sku)
Hooker Maximum Flow (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=HOK%2D21602HKR&N=4294922710+4294906128+4294791975+115&autoview=sku)

I just got a 2.25" Hooker Aero Chamber for a V6... I'll get some Idea of how it sounds on an N/A car.
HOOKER AERO CHAMBER (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=HOK%2D21516HKR&N=4294922710+4294906128+4294791975+4294906131+4294 906132+115&autoview=sku)
The above site where I got the backpressure chart from listed it as not being good for turbo... but I can't say if they oversimplified their opinion or not. The other site makes a better statement. I've looked the Aerochamber over and looked at the other site saying it showed 0 loss on a 375 HP motor. So if you're in the 300 HP range, I think the Aero Chamber could be another option.

If you like tha slant tip on that second muffler they are a dime a dozen.



Some other things on the side:
Someone on here posted some feedback (sound related?) on rolled-in vs rolled-out/flared tips.
You also have tips that have both the rolled-out and rolled-in but are made with two layers, the first layer rolls-out and the second layer rolls in covering the rolled-out part so you get a clean cylindrical tip.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b351/Wendy_girl/tips.gif

I'll try and and some feedback on the sound difference if any of single-in/single-out tips vs the single-in/dual-out tips.




2.00" and 2.25" are okay for mild aftermarket improvements, we fall around 1.75" stock and thats what our cars come with, it doesn't account for the stock cat or muffler though. When you think about it the "DEMAND" for exhaust flow is not constant... as RPM increases so does the need to flow more exhaust.

125 hp x 2.2 = 275 cfm
1.75" Single Exhaust pipe flows about 275 cfm

163 hp x 2.2 = about 360 cfm
2.00" Single Exhaust pipe flows about 360 cfm

200 hp x 2.2 = 440 cfm
2.25" Single Exhaust pipe flows about 440 cfm

cat technology is getting better so you don't have to be illegal and ditch the cat alltogether to get good performance, and not many of us here are scrapping the bottom of the barrel looking for every last drop of power to win a 1/4 mile race.

Here are some high flow cats

Random Technology
Magnaflow Magnaflow Cat
(http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=MPE%2D94105&view=4095&N=4294867633+4294891681+4294906131+4294906122+4294 867619+4294788202+0)
CARSOUND
SMSP SMSP Spun Bodied Cat (http://sms-products.com/Converters.html)

Here is some good into on cats.
http://www.team-integra.net/sections/articles/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=24
http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1128725

SQ is the SQUAD
04-25-2006, 01:36 AM
lol, nah it wasent me, i had the first pair that was on there. got them today, lol.
the car was $45,i got it from one of the vendore on www.homemadeturbo.com. they where running a special. i got the pipe kits for $45 each

they are called racing solutions
ebay store
http://stores.ebay.com/Racing-Solutions
yahoo store has a better selection, this is where i ordered my stuff
http://store.racing-solutions.org/

A20A1
04-25-2006, 02:51 AM
Nice site, I'm looking at their available bends for custom header building.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Mild-Steel-1-625-Header-Builder-Kit_W0QQitemZ8028550463QQcategoryZ33631QQcmdZViewI tem

SQ is the SQUAD
04-30-2006, 06:59 AM
thinking about upgrading fuel pump, not sure on what i sholud get. any suggestions?

AccordEpicenter
04-30-2006, 08:10 AM
walbro 190lph intank. Dont go inline, the stock pump will still be a big bottleneck

Justin86
04-30-2006, 08:48 AM
I'm running a 3" Magnaflow universal XL (5"x8"x24" oval). At 3000rpm its 88dbs, which is very comfortable driving, not to loud, but still not stock.

SQ is the SQUAD
04-30-2006, 10:08 AM
walbro 190lph intank. Dont go inline, the stock pump will still be a big bottleneck

i am going to check on ebay for that walbro 190. are they universal or do they go vehicle specific\

also while i have the takn out (do i have to take it ou to change the pump? ) what are some good products to use to clean the inside of the tank. i know i seen some stuff that eastewood sells the seal inside gas tanks

AccordEpicenter
04-30-2006, 12:24 PM
they are pretty universal. Dunno about cleaning the gas tank, mine still looked like new inside

MessyHonda
04-30-2006, 12:34 PM
well my mother has never ran out of gas and i dont think that my cars gas light never been. cuz everytime it was 1/4 of a tank i would fill it up. when i took out my gas pump i saw inside and it was drity. so one day b4 i changed the fuel pump and fuel filters i drove it till i had to gas left then took it out and changed out all the stuff and now i can feel the car takes off better. but it would not hurt to clean a 18 year old tank

SQ is the SQUAD
04-30-2006, 03:00 PM
well we all have seen my dirty gas pic from when i changed my fuel filter. i know its a mess in there. good thing the car was nearly empty when i parked it

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/9164/dirtyfuel4tb.jpg

truetune
05-01-2006, 12:52 PM
ah thats what I can use my 100 CD case thing for holding some nasty gas. yeah go with NGK plugs your motor will thank you. Im thinking that 2g DSM turbo you have will be fully spooled by like 2500 which is great for a solo car but youll want to go bigger if you want to see some killer top end. Looks like your comming along nicly on your setup. I would suggest going with a wideband set up for o2 sensors, will make tuneing less work.

'A20A3'
05-02-2006, 07:16 PM
I gots a Walbro 255lph. I recommend you go with the same so you're never limited.

SQ is the SQUAD
05-03-2006, 02:17 AM
there are a coupleof 25lph on hmt brand new for sale. thts a good prie on these?

SQ is the SQUAD
05-04-2006, 10:59 AM
now i dont feel as bad

snoopyloopy
05-04-2006, 01:25 PM
there are a coupleof 25lph on hmt brand new for sale. thts a good prie on these?
i've seen them on ebay for $100 (+ shipping). depends on the vendor.

SQ is the SQUAD
09-02-2006, 09:39 AM
i am picking the project up again after being on the shelf for the last 4 months. ill be pulling the stock motor this week. looking for suggestion on how to build the bottom end. ill prob use eagle ls rods stock crank, bore .030 over and get some 10:1 forged pistons.

weiRtech
11-04-2006, 05:33 PM
those flanges are pure sex.

AccordEpicenter
11-04-2006, 09:53 PM
AARON is that you?

SQ is the SQUAD
11-05-2006, 05:50 AM
those flanges are pure sex.

yeah, too bad those one arent avaqilable anymore. i had to wait forever for my one for my ramhorn from bmc race

weiRtech
11-05-2006, 06:29 AM
AARON is that you?

yep.

newaccorddriver
11-05-2006, 08:58 AM
Better get them fast then! (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=330044587359)
=x
shameless self-promotion.


i hope you know that the F22 or whatever was the last iron block in production...


you should get those pistons anyways SQ as their priced really cheap. i WOULD get them, but im not a fan of higher compression yet

newaccorddriver
11-05-2006, 09:58 AM
F22 was an aluminum block with iron sleeves.


my bad...

ICEMAN707
11-05-2006, 10:03 AM
I dunno if you guys know this, but for OBD-0 like our cars, is TurboEdit pretty good? I read somewhere about pre-91 Civic guys using it for their turbo setups, but I don't think our ECU is hackable/chippable anyways. :dunno:

thegreatdane
11-05-2006, 10:15 AM
I dunno if you guys know this, but for OBD-0 like our cars, is TurboEdit pretty good? I read somewhere about pre-91 Civic guys using it for their turbo setups, but I don't thing our ECU is hackable/chippable anyways. :dunno:

Doesnt work with our ecu's which are pre-OBD. And it's easier converting to OBD1 than to convert to OBD-0. And Turboedit is nothing compared to Crome.

ICEMAN707
11-05-2006, 11:24 AM
Doesnt work with our ecu's which are pre-OBD. And it's easier converting to OBD1 than to convert to OBD-0. And Turboedit is nothing compared to Crome.

I have a spare OBD1 distributor and P06 ECU from my Civic which I converted to SOHC VTEC with a VTEC head and P28 ECU....how do I go about getting the Civic's OBD1 stuff to work in the 3gee? I can custom fit the distributor no problem, but what does the P06 need in order to work in the 3gee besides a convertion harness? 4 wire O2 sensor and what else? Can I get rid of all that ugly vaccum crap when I convert to OBD1?

ICEMAN707
11-05-2006, 11:58 AM
And a good baseline fuel/timing map. Grab a stock P75 rom image and burn it to your p06.

The VSS resistor mod.

You can get rid of all the non-essential vaccuum / emissions shit.

P75 rom huh? sounds good. and about the VSS, I was actually going to try and use a Civic d-series VSS. It looks like it could fit in place of the A20 cable VSS with maybe a piece of cut sheetmetal bracket to hold it in place. I dunno what to do about the speedo though since that's cable also, maybe i'll use my Civic's Dx cluster into the 3gee since I put an Ex cluster in the civic cus of the tach. I might have to make a custom fiberglass housing for that Civic cluster to make it look right in the 3gee.

ICEMAN707
11-05-2006, 05:33 PM
Sounds like an awesome idea.

But why everything from the civic? Why not do a completely custom gauge cluster? I know you have the aesthetic fiberglass skill to do it.

There's millions of nice looking gauges out there to choose from. Don't limit yourself to analog dials.

i.e.

http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/cyb-c255e351n_w.jpg

http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/dak-vfd3-63c-nov_w.jpg
(Without the silver enclosure)

etc etc.

Just working with what I've got from my Civic build. Instead of having these extra parts laying around, might as well put them to good use. Besides, nothing beats Honda OEM quality...even if it is from another Honda car.

SQ is the SQUAD
11-05-2006, 07:00 PM
thanks guys for whoring up my thread, j/k

ICEMAN707
11-05-2006, 07:43 PM
lol sorry victor...I love your super clean car though, can't wait to see you get the turbo setup up and going. :rockon:

SQ is the SQUAD
02-17-2007, 06:35 PM
i think i pretty much started all over, all progress will be posted here

http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58354