My suspension thread

[Legend_master]

This car is currently gone, I have mixed it with a new chassis. Here is the current suspension thread. (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77071)

This Thread will be updated with every new mod I add to my suspension
FRONT

1. 89 LX-i hubs (must be 88-89 LX-i Hubs) with new bearing
2. 11" rotors and Type R calipers (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54232)
3. Full Prothane Poly Bushings for the Lower control arm and OEM for the rest
4. SS Steal braided brake lines all around
5. ARP extended Wheel studs (just because I wanted to)
6. 1988 Honda Civic Full Bodied D2 Racing Coilover Sytem (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59533)
7. Suspension Techniques front sway bar.
8. 1988 Prelude 35/40 prop valve
9. all ball joints and tie rod ends.
10. Ingalls Camber Correction Kit
11. EBC Brake pads

REAR
1. Sei Rear disk brake Convertion
2. 1989 Acura Legend Rear Calipers (they have a bigger pistons) (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54992)
3. Drilled and slotted EBC rotors
4. EBC green stuff brake pads
5. Suspension Techniques rear sway bar
6. Lower Poly shock bushings (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?p=730551#post730551)
7. 1990 Honda accord Full Bodied D2 Racing Coilover Sytem (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59533)

Here is a pic of the whole setup with new bearings, and extended wheel studs.
11" rotors installed
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/80ce5024.jpg
Why you cannot use 14" rims
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/e05e32f6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/b1b45149.jpg
Rear Sway Bar install (picture was taken before the D2 upgrade)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/62b7cd9f.jpg
Front LCA with Poly Bushings
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/59fe0b8d.jpg
Rear SE-i brakes with Legend calipers
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/1c235a7d.jpg
D2 Racing coilovers
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/eb850665.jpg
Adjustment knob
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/084d85b7.jpg

In the works 11" rear brake setup with larger Legend Calipers. (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57642)

-My old Setup
1990 Civic Tokico Illuminas (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47746&highlight=civic+struts)

I have had alot of people ask me for the Nopi (http://www.nopi.com) item numbers for the bushings so here you go.

These are all Nopi (http://www.nopi.com) Item Numbers Only (you can click them to take you directly to the nopi catalog.

You only need to order one of each kit I listed below (one kit = both sides of the car). Here is a picture to help you figure it out.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/Partexplained.jpg

Front Lower Control Arm Bushing

Part Number: 432+0077
$30.08 Sugg. Retail Price (http://www.nopionline.com/nopistore/dsp_part_detail.cfm?vmakeid=140&vmodelid=010&vcatyear=1989&vnopinum=432%2B0077&vTitle=1989%20HONDA%20Accord)

Front Lower Contol arm shock bushing

Part Number: 474+4110
$19.87 Your Price (http://www.nopionline.com/nopistore/dsp_part_detail.cfm?vmakeid=140&vmodelid=010&vcatyear=1989&vnopinum=474%2B4110&vTitle=1989%20HONDA%20Accord)

Sway bar end links
Part Number: 461+0059
$17.48 Your Price (http://www.nopionline.com/nopistore/dsp_part_detail.cfm?vmakeid=140&vmodelid=010&vcatyear=1989&vnopinum=461%2B0059&vTitle=1989%20HONDA%20Accord)

[Legend_master]

I got my 89 LX-i hubs today and I recieved my sway bars. I went ahead and put the rear one on.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/ecb7b07f.jpg

Much thicker
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/dd1d1c2c.jpg

I think the swiviling piece will take away from the stiffness of the setup, but who knows.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/291bed6d.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/45e47f63.jpg

[crazykamper]

wow, very nice setup!

[bobafett]

good deal. im mainly posting so i get updates on this thread... i am curious how the brake setup goes. :) i will be looking into something similar hopefully.

[Legend_master]

wow, very nice setup!


thanks


good deal. im mainly posting so i get updates on this thread... i am curious how the brake setup goes. i will be looking into something similar hopefully.

I will keep you up to date on how it goes. I think that setup is going to go well.

[Hash_man_Se_i]

Damn, you're steps ahead of me all the time.. damn you! HAHA

I just got my GC coilovers, and ST sway bars will be here this week. Definately interested in the front brake setup, could you PM me some more info if you can?

Thanks. and good luck with your project

[Legend_master]

Damn, you're steps ahead of me all the time.. damn you! HAHA
I just got my GC coilovers, and ST sway bars will be here this week. Definately interested in the front brake setup, could you PM me some more info if you can?
Thanks. and good luck with your project


LOL, I am keeping tabs on you. For the brake setup, just call fastbrakes 602-323-2110 and tell the guy there (I think there is only one person there) that you want the same setup as Antares for and 89 LX-i accord. He can hook you up with whatever you want. Bigger rotors, bigger calipers, twin pistons calipers, anything. He knows his shit and has the specs on most cars. I might work with him later for and upgrade on the rear se-i suspention.

[crazykamper]

wow nice. i wish i had money to spend on my 3g right now!!! i gotto sell my ipod and laptop, so i can go to a bunch of places this summer (im starting to pay for EVERYTHING now.....) cant wait till i get my job. then i might have a lil money to do things that i want.....

btw, can u inform us on ur enitre front brake setup? or did fastbrakes do that for you?

[Legend_master]

wow nice. i wish i had money to spend on my 3g right now!!! i gotto sell my ipod and laptop, so i can go to a bunch of places this summer (im starting to pay for EVERYTHING now.....) cant wait till i get my job. then i might have a lil money to do things that i want.....

btw, can u inform us on ur enitre front brake setup? or did fastbrakes do that for you?

I will be running 88-90 Acura Legend front rotors redrilled to 4x100 with type R integra calipers (no bracket is required to run them, so long as you have the legend rotors on there).

[crazykamper]

how hard is it to get the legend rotors on there?? and how much is it to have them redrilled.....

i may be interested in this, (cause im looking to upgrade all my brakes {not to sei, but whatever is better})

[Legend_master]

how hard is it to get the legend rotors on there?? and how much is it to have them redrilled.....

i may be interested in this, (cause im looking to upgrade all my brakes {not to sei, but whatever is better})


fastbrakes got me the rotors and redrilled them for $105.00 Dollors.

[Hash_man_Se_i]

sounds like a damn good setup... I might have to give him a call... got another few goodies on the way first thought ;)

[crazykamper]

wow, doesnt sound bad at all, what other parts or things would i need to get everything to work? (might as well make a howto, cause a bunch of people are gonna wanna know i bet!)

[Legend_master]

wow, doesnt sound bad at all, what other parts or things would i need to get everything to work? (might as well make a howto, cause a bunch of people are gonna wanna know i bet!)


I have to wait untill I recieve the parts and I will show all in this thread.

[gfrg88]

dude its SUSPENSION not suspention!!! lol jk dude ;) what are you going to do about strut bars and such??? im curious to see that brake setup too.

[crazykamper]

hmm, good point, im still interested in getting some somehow. dont know if i wanna spend 40$ and a lot of time to make 2, or have someoen make them for me.... lol.

[Strugglebucket]

i'd say get some arp wheelstuds while your at it so you can have them pressed in when you do the bearings. they're really nice and don't cost much.

sure are a lot of bushings to replace on the rear suspension, huh?

[Legend_master]

i'd say get some arp wheelstuds while your at it so you can have them pressed in when you do the bearings. they're really nice and don't cost much.
sure are a lot of bushings to replace on the rear suspension, huh?


The bushings for the rear are rather pricey also, I am going to do those later. This all started with me being worried about the ball joints breaking. I decided better time then any to replace all this stuff.


dude its SUSPENSION not suspention!!! lol jk dude what are you going to do about strut bars and such??? im curious to see that brake setup too.

If I can come across a decent DC strut bar I will get that, other wise I might Have some friends help me make one. I am not to worried about the strut bars right now.

P.S. I realized I spelled it wrong right as I hit the submit button :uh: .

[mkymonkey]

man i wish i had freaking 250 to throw on some sway bars. i just got paid and my damn check is already gone! i have like 50 bucks left.....damn stupid bills

[Legend_master]

man i wish i had freaking 250 to throw on some sway bars. i just got paid and my damn check is already gone! i have like 50 bucks left.....damn stupid bills


I was going to wait on them, but I swear these cars loose aftermarket support all the time. I was afraid they would not be available when I really needed them :violin: .

[mkymonkey]

yeah i know.....i bet that when I'm ready to buy them they'll be gone and thats going to suck. then they're going to become a legend like the damn DC headers and be like 500 bucks used...:omg:

[mkymonkey]

oops

[Legend_master]

yeah i know.....i bet that when I'm ready to buy them they'll be gone and thats going to suck. then they're going to become a legend like the damn DC headers and be like 500 bucks used...:omg:


or the PRI mounts :chainsaw:

[mkymonkey]

yeah them too. i mean we could go into a whole thing about discontinued parts....like all the dc shit

its going to be funny when paceshitter feels like they're too good for the 3g community and discontinue their exhausts and shifters....hahhaaahaaha

[Legend_master]

yeah them too. i mean we could go into a whole thing about discontinued parts....like all the dc shit

its going to be funny when paceshitter feels like they're too good for the 3g community and discontinue their exhausts and shifters....hahhaaahaaha


I am hoping that maybe, just maybe that article in Honda Tuning will help bump up our support. I doubt it thou

[crazykamper]

that would be awesome if we got some more support from aftermarket companys, i bet soo many people would have 3gz, but then again, it might become like another civic. : (

for 250, is that just 2 bars? or what all else is included???

[Legend_master]

that would be awesome if we got some more support from aftermarket companys, i bet soo many people would have 3gz, but then again, it might become like another civic. : (

for 250, is that just 2 bars? or what all else is included???


Link (http://www.sportcompactonly.com/product.aspx?p=2214&c=55&l=2)

[crazykamper]

lol. nvm, i was thinking strut tower bars. lol. my bad. lol. been a long day. lol. sorry bout that. lol.

[Legend_master]

I got my bushings and brake rotors today. (I already had the prothanes)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/4bd905bf.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/f028a4b6.jpg

[gfrg88]

I got my bushings and brake rotors today. (I already had the prothanes)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/4bd905bf.jpg



what are those little spring looking things for???

[Legend_master]

what are those little spring looking things for???

Tie Rod dust cover on the rack and pinion.

[gfrg88]

Tie Rod dust cover on the rack and pinion.

:ugh: ooohhh, okay.

[mkymonkey]

so what are those brembo blanks for just some replacements?

[Oldblueaccord]

I will be running 88-90 Acura Legend front rotors redrilled to 4x100 with type R integra calipers (no bracket is required to run them, so long as you have the legend rotors on there).


The only lil pick i have with that is there doesnt seem to be a popular aftermarket rotor for the Legend. with the Type R theres anything you can want. Plus there listed as being thicker 21 mm to the 19 on the legend.

http://www.buybrakes.com/store/BR25312 info im using.

2 main things I wanted with my setup was a better selection of aftermarket rotors/brake pads and better rotors for less warpage over the 10.3 we run. I think the Type R stuff has a better selection. super selction of pads ,frozen rotors, slotted rotors , holed rotors, thicker rotors, its sky the limit.


wp

[Legend_master]

The only lil pick i have with that is there doesnt seem to be a popular aftermarket rotor for the Legend. with the Type R theres anything you can want. Plus there listed as being thicker 21 mm to the 19 on the legend.
http://www.buybrakes.com/store/BR25312 info im using.
2 main things I wanted with my setup was a better selection of aftermarket rotors/brake pads and better rotors for less warpage over the 10.3 we run. I think the Type R stuff has a better selection. super selction of pads ,frozen rotors, slotted rotors , holed rotors, thicker rotors, its sky the limit.
wp


this is true, but I am done with drilled and slotted rotors. If they ever warp you cannot have them resurfaced, so there goes all that money down the drain. As for the legend/type R thing, I will not have to shave anything or add anything to the hub brake bracket, becasue the legend is the exact same offset as the accord. Your brake setup is what got me started on looking for 11" rotors.

[Oldblueaccord]

Nope you make some good points as well.

I have had a set of slots turned. They came out well.

The 4 mm spacers for the Type r caliper bracket Brian sells. He was susposed to send me a set but there weren't in the box so I made my own.there those yellow things in my pictures on that link. It was him that told me I needed 4 mm one way or the other he couldnt remember of hand and its what I had added up.

I think you'll love the 11.0'(EDIT inches not feet : ) ) rotors. I havent had any problems with mine and even with the Axis ultimate pads I have no warp issues so far. The brake balance is good and pedal feel is the same since the bore the same .diameter.


http://www.buybrakes.com/store/24X00923

use this list for finding your calipers if you want to go the j/y route. You be able to go duel piston NSX's as well with little work.


wp

[Legend_master]

so what are those brembo blanks for just some replacements?


I believe they are not brembo, because the box is just white with no wrinting on it.


Nope you make some good points as well.

I have had a set of slots turned. They came out well.

The 4 mm spacers for the Type r caliper bracket Brian sells. He was susposed to send me a set but there weren't in the box so I made my own.there those yellow things in my pictures on that link. It was him that told me I needed 4 mm one way or the other he couldnt remember of hand and its what I had added up.

I think you'll love the 11.0'(EDIT inches not feet : ) ) rotors. I havent had any problems with mine and even with the Axis ultimate pads I have no warp issues so far. The brake balance is good and pedal feel is the same since the bore the same .diameter.


http://www.buybrakes.com/store/24X00923

use this list for finding your calipers if you want to go the j/y route. You be able to go duel piston NSX's as well with little work.


wp

I was looking into the NSX/Legend Calipers, but I dont like the fact that you have to mount them upsidedown. I think I am going to stick with the type R calipers and see how those work for me. I will post some pics when I have it assembled.

P.S. 11 foot rotors woudl be sick, LOL

[Legend_master]

I got my upper control arms, upper/lower ball joints, and tie rods in today thanks to cardoc33 and his website Trivallyclutch (http://www.trivalleyclutch.com/3gparts) great prices and quick shipping. I also recieved my TT steal braided brake lines, but they sent me 84-87 civic 4 line kit when I ordered 89 SE-i 6 line kit :rant: . At least they are trading them out and paying for all the shipping.

[crazykamper]

wow, very nice!! sounds good, cait wait to hear how its all gonna be when its done, and total cost of everything would be great if u wanna share that too. lol

[Legend_master]

I got the calipers in and they bolt to the hub perfectly. The offset is a little off, but all I need to do is shave down the bracket on the caliper. The pad and calipers cover all the surface of the rotor. This is going to be a bad ass brake setup and is basically bolt on. I also received my proper brake lines. I will post pictures when I get my camera back.

[gfrg88]

I got the calipers in and they bolt to the hub perfectly. The offset is a little off, but all I need to do is shave down the bracket on the caliper. The pad and calipers cover all the surface of the rotor. This is going to be a bad ass brake setup and is basically bolt on. I also received my proper brake lines. I will post pictures when I get my camera back.

which calipers are you using?? i forgot,,,,

[Legend_master]

which calipers are you using?? i forgot,,,,


1998 Integra Type R

[gfrg88]

1998 Integra Type R
everything else is stock right? and they bolted right up :omg:

[Legend_master]

everything else is stock right? and they bolted right up :omg:


Well the rotor is redrilled from an 89 Legend and the hubs are 89 LX-i hubs. Besides that, there are no bracket required bolts right up. I believe that a big brake kit from a 98 integra would bolt right up with a little offset issues, but those are easly fixed.

[Hash_man_Se_i]

I'm excited to see this, sounds like a far superior setup to aftermarket stock sized brakes. I think the brakes on our cars are one of the weak points.

[Legend_master]

alright here are the picture. From what I can tell the rotor and calipers are offset perfectly. The only spot that is rubbing is on the inside of the caliper and edge of the rotor. Just a little sanding and that propblem will be fixed.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/ae8c1d6d.jpg
]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/861f4b48.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/963874d5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/92c1d89e.jpg

[MessyHonda]

looks nice...but its too much money for me...i just got replacement drilled and slotted rotors, AEM pads and SS lines for SE-i, im planing on picking up the rear disk set up from adam.

[Hash_man_Se_i]

thats awesome.... Now one needs to try and put ITR 5 lug suspension on our cars.... hmmmmmmm

[Legend_master]

thats awesome.... Now one needs to try and put ITR 5 lug suspension on our cars.... hmmmmmmm


If the bearing fits in the hub, I dont see why it would not work.

[2drSE-i]

yell at me if u need some help. i think i might be off next saturday and my buddy rahi was up for a roadtrip anyway :)

[Legend_master]

yell at me if u need some help. i think i might be off next saturday and my buddy rahi was up for a roadtrip anyway :)


Ok man I will hit you up if I need help, I just got back from Turner Falls last night. Man I havent been there since I was 18, but man that water is COLD. 102 degree weather, but the water was 40.

[2drSE-i]

haha believe it or not ive never been there. but water falls are generally known for that

[guaynabo89]

If they ever warp you cannot have them resurfaced, so there goes all that money down the drain.

Actually you can have slotted/drilled rotors resurfaced. I already resurfaced my 12" AEM rotors because they warped a little on me and they are both slotted and drilled.

There are alot of idiots out there you just have to find the right shop that is able and willing to resurface them.

It might take a little longer than regular rotors because you cant go in deep with the cutting edge. You have to go over them more times than a regular rotor at finer increments.

[2drSE-i]

There are alot of idiots out there


he lives in texas, it cant be done :D

[guaynabo89]

he lives in texas, it cant be done :D


LOL

[Legend_master]

he lives in texas, it cant be done :D


don't be jealous, because you live in the boring version of Texas :eek5: .



Actually you can have slotted/drilled rotors resurfaced. I already resurfaced my 12" AEM rotors because they warped a little on me and they are both slotted and drilled.

There are alot of idiots out there you just have to find the right shop that is able and willing to resurface them.

It might take a little longer than regular rotors because you cant go in deep with the cutting edge. You have to go over them more times than a regular rotor at finer increments.

All the shops around here told me they couldn't do it, I also dident want to experiment with expensive rotors.

[guaynabo89]

All the shops around here told me they couldn't do it, I also dident want to experiment with expensive rotors.

I know I got the same answers.The thing is you cant go to like mineke or big shops like that cause theyre dicks and dont know what they're doing anyway.

I found smaller shops that were willing to do it (usually Puerto Rican guys shops, us P.R.'s will do anything ;) ) , but I found the best place to take em which was an actual machine shop. These guys will x-drill and slot your stock rotors plus when I asked them about mine they said no prob. you know what they only charged me 20 dollars to do all 4 of my AEM rotors. :D

Resurfacing xdrilled and slotted rotors is no different then regular rotors. like I said though you cant jam the cutting edge into the rotor or it will brake the blade and sratch the rotor in the process.

Try machiine shops. If you find one with a brake rotor lathe your in business :D

[Legend_master]

I know I got the same answers.The thing is you cant go to like mineke or big shops like that cause theyre dicks and dont know what they're doing anyway.
I found smaller shops that were willing to do it (usually Puerto Rican guys shops, us P.R.'s will do anything ;) ) , but I found the best place to take em which was an actual machine shop. These guys will x-drill and slot your stock rotors plus when I asked them about mine they said no prob. you know what they only charged me 20 dollars to do all 4 of my AEM rotors. :D
Resurfacing xdrilled and slotted rotors is no different then regular rotors. like I said though you cant jam the cutting edge into the rotor or it will brake the blade and sratch the rotor in the process.
Try machiine shops. If you find one with a brake rotor lathe your in business :D


I will have to look around in case I decide to get some drilled and slotted rotors. Thanks for the advise.

[guaynabo89]

no problem buddy. help is out there you just hve to find it. one good place to go is places where they specialize in v8's they always know someone who can fabricate or machine stuff.

[2drSE-i]

boring version of texas with easy to navigate roads :)

[Legend_master]

Ok I got the hubs back today (new bearings, ball joins, wheel studs), I will be installing everything next week. I got some ARP extended wheel studs.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/f9d19b17.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/6cf799da.jpg

[Cheeseburger]

thats just hot!!!!!!!

[gfrg88]

HOT!!!!!!! :rockon:

[2drSE-i]

that looks sick as fuck man....b18 that can stop on a dime :)

[Hash_man_Se_i]

That looks damn good, Can't wait to see them mounted.

[Legend_master]

Here are the Front LCA's with Poly Bushing pressed in.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/59fe0b8d.jpg

[MessyHonda]

Here are the Front LCA's with Poly Bushing pressed in.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/59fe0b8d.jpg

i just woke up....so im lazy....how much did the bushings run you? and yeah im trying to find some for the rear since i have the rear disks and wants to fix them up b4 i put them in.....oh yeah your poly bushings are super nice....

[Legend_master]

i just woke up....so im lazy....how much did the bushings run you? and yeah im trying to find some for the rear since i have the rear disks and wants to fix them up b4 i put them in.....oh yeah your poly bushings are super nice....

I got them at Nopi (http://www.nopionline.com/nopistore/dsp_parts.cfm?vpcid=432&vcatid=0010&vcatyear=1989&vmodelid=010&vmakeid=140&vL1id=0&&vtitle=1989%20HONDA%20Accord), one set was $17.69 and the other was $12.87. It cost a bit to get them pressed in, but I know it will be worth it in the long run.

[Hash_man_Se_i]

Lookin good, I'm hoping to find a good bodied accord so I can dive head first into rebuilding the suspension over winter... Just picked up my ST bars today :)

[Legend_master]

Lookin good, I'm hoping to find a good bodied accord so I can dive head first into rebuilding the suspension over winter... Just picked up my ST bars today :)


G/L I hope you find one, I feel like this car is taking forever to get it the way I want it. It will be worth it once I have finished. BTW were did you end up getting the Sway bars at?

[Hash_man_Se_i]

^^^ Got them through a local guy jdmwest.ca pretty much gave them to me for cost cuz my ground controls took so long to get here.

[MessyHonda]

^^^ Got them through a local guy jdmwest.ca pretty much gave them to me for cost cuz my ground controls took so long to get here.

you think you can get another set? how much did you spend?

[Hash_man_Se_i]

I could definately get another set, but seeing as you are in Cali, you could probably get them cheaper at some of those online sites, but being in canada, customs charges and stuff suck

[mkymonkey]

ok so where do you people go to get shit pressed in? im a noob when it comes to suspension...shit im a noob at a lot of things lol

[keruhas184]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/6cf799da.jpg

Those nuts on the studs, are you going to take them off? Or will they act as spacers with your extended wheel studs?

[Legend_master]

ok so where do you people go to get shit pressed in? im a noob when it comes to suspension...shit im a noob at a lot of things lol


I took my LCA to O'riellys Auto parts. They were referred to me by napa


Those nuts on the studs, are you going to take them off? Or will they act as spacers with your extended wheel studs?

Those are the lugs that hold the wheels on. The only spacer I am using is one washer underneath the rotor on each wheel stud.

[AZmike]

The only spacer I am using is one washer underneath the rotor on each wheel stud.

Are you using cut or ground washers to offset the rotor?

[Legend_master]

Are you using cut or ground washers to offset the rotor?


I'm not sure, what is the difference between the two?

[AZmike]

Cut washers are stamped out of a sheet of steel. They are inexpensive, but have loose manufacturing tolerances. This type is much more common. Ground washers are machined to much more precise thicknesses with sides that are much closer to parallel.

If your four washer spacers are not he same thickness the rotor will wobble between the pads as if it was warped.

[Legend_master]

Cut washers are stamped out of a sheet of steel. They are inexpensive, but have loose manufacturing tolerances. This type is much more common. Ground washers are machined to much more precise thicknesses with sides that are much closer to parallel.
If your four washer spacers are not he same thickness the rotor will wobble between the pads as if it was warped.


I beleive they are cut washer, but I used a guage to make sure that the washers are all the same thickness. The one thing I am worried about is the pressure that is applied to the rotor when the wheel is turned and the car is moving. I know that the studs actually flex a little. I guess I will just have to see how this turns out and go from there.

[Hash_man_Se_i]

Did you have to use the washers to make your brake setup work? could you not have used washers to space the caliper instead of the rotor?

[Legend_master]

Did you have to use the washers to make your brake setup work? could you not have used washers to space the caliper instead of the rotor?


I could have used them on the caliper, but that would be a hassle to work with every time I wanted to change brake pads. The washer has to be held in place while the caliper is placed on there. You could also shim some metal off the caliper bracket to allow for the alignment to work, but that has to be perfect and if you shim to much you will come into more problems.

[Oldblueaccord]

Yeah i used spacers it is a PIA kinda but it only adds like 5 more mins to a brake job.

I really surprised you didn't do the grind job> I think your set up is better than mine as the DIY since grinding is easier than making 4 mm spacers.

If there interest I can whip up a spacer .I got them drawn out just never got around to it. Ill make them you R+D them and get a CNC shop to make a few dozen.


wp

[Legend_master]

Yeah i used spacers it is a PIA kinda but it only adds like 5 more mins to a brake job.
I really surprised you didn't do the grind job> I think your set up is better than mine as the DIY since grinding is easier than making 4 mm spacers.
If there interest I can whip up a spacer .I got them drawn out just never got around to it. Ill make them you R+D them and get a CNC shop to make a few dozen.
wp


Your spacers are actually a little different then mine. THe legend offset is different then the prelude (witch is the rotor I believe you used). I am curiose to see how the setup works with the store bought washers. If this setup works well, a big brake upgrade kit from a type R wil be a simple upgrade.

[lostforawhile]

Nice setup,I'm going to try that brake setup myself,looks pretty easy. i just did a lot of this myself. 89 lxi knuckles,arp studs,powdercoated hubs,new wheel bearings,moog lower ball joints,new upper control arms and new kits to rebuild them,urthane end links on the front sway bar, rebuilt the lower control arms, still have to put in the new steering rack,and new strut rod bushings,springs and struts. moog tie rod ends,installed and rebuilt a factory rear sway bar. the only difference was that I did all the bearing,wheel stud pressing,and bushing replacment. for a note,replacing the lower arm bushings is not for the mechanically challenged or those with a temper. I had an entire machine shop at my disposal and it was a son of a bitch. I have a link on here somewhere with some of the pictures.

[Legend_master]

Nice setup,I'm going to try that brake setup myself,looks pretty easy. i just did a lot of this myself. 89 lxi knuckles,arp studs,powdercoated hubs,new wheel bearings,moog lower ball joints,new upper control arms and new kits to rebuild them,urthane end links on the front sway bar, rebuilt the lower control arms, still have to put in the new steering rack,and new strut rod bushings,springs and struts. moog tie rod ends,installed and rebuilt a factory rear sway bar. the only difference was that I did all the bearing,wheel stud pressing,and bushing replacment. for a note,replacing the lower arm bushings is not for the mechanically challenged or those with a temper. I had an entire machine shop at my disposal and it was a son of a bitch. I have a link on here somewhere with some of the pictures.


Awsome dude, sounds like a very nice setup. They charged me $91.00 to put 4 bushings in. I think I got ripped off, but I couldent find anybody else around here that would agree to do it. I even cleaned the old bushings out before I brought it to them. Good luck with your setup

[lostforawhile]

Awsome dude, sounds like a very nice setup. They charged me $91.00 to put 4 bushings in. I think I got ripped off, but I couldent find anybody else around here that would agree to do it. I even cleaned the old bushings out before I brought it to them. Good luck with your setup
I could see them charging you 91 bucks to remove that metal sleeve on all four,but that was just to press them in? thats a rip off!!! heres the link http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52746

[Legend_master]

I could see them charging you 91 bucks to remove that metal sleeve on all four,but that was just to press them in? thats a rip off!!! heres the link http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52746


They still had to remove the metal sleeve. I melted the rubber out and left the sleeve in there.

[lostforawhile]

They still had to remove the metal sleeve. I melted the rubber out and left the sleeve in there.that was fair then,the only way to get those out is to remove the rubber part,then you have to chisel through the sleeve all the way down,then knock a corner of it down and basically hammer it until it peels out. you can't press them out,the sleeve cold welds itself in there over the years,and it's too thin. it's a son of a bitch to get out. I almost went and bought rebuilt control arms,and I had paid 50 bucks for these for cores to rebuild. when i tried to press one of the bushings out,it flew out of the press and went almost 20 feet. that was after turning arbors for pressing them out.

[Legend_master]

that was fair then,the only way to get those out is to remove the rubber part,then you have to chisel through the sleeve all the way down,then knock a corner of it down and basically hammer it until it peels out. you can't press them out,the sleeve cold welds itself in there over the years,and it's too thin. it's a son of a bitch to get out. I almost went and bought rebuilt control arms,and I had paid 50 bucks for these for cores to rebuild. when i tried to press one of the bushings out,it flew out of the press and went almost 20 feet. that was after turning arbors for pressing them out.

well that is a little more settleing, I still belive that they used a press to remove the old sleeves, but either way I am just glad it is done.

[lostforawhile]

well that is a little more settleing, I still belive that they used a press to remove the old sleeves, but either way I am just glad it is done.
I would like to know how they did,I made those special arbors outof steel that fit inside the old bushing holes and used a 20 ton press,all that happened was the bottom plate failed and the part flew out. the sleeve didn't move. I put so much pressure on the sleeve that it buckled a 3/8 thick steel plate.

[Legend_master]

ok Everybody here is the picture thread and I updated the first post a little.

http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?p=654966#post654966

[Oldblueaccord]

I would like to know how they did,I made those special arbors outof steel that fit inside the old bushing holes and used a 20 ton press,all that happened was the bottom plate failed and the part flew out. the sleeve didn't move. I put so much pressure on the sleeve that it buckled a 3/8 thick steel plate.

I did the same and I never got them out of the spare set of arms I have. I think they must have made a cut in them and tried to peel them out.


wp

[carotman]

Anyone tried VW Corrado discs?

[Legend_master]

Anyone tried VW Corrado discs?


the guy at fastbrakes told me the offset is very different (much deeper I believe), but we can make them work.

[Oldblueaccord]

Anyone tried VW Corrado discs?


Yeah its the G car rotor. Very hard to find least for me. theres another post on it somewhere here. It's pretty close.

http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53188&page=2
EDIT: post #28


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[Legend_master]

I just thought I would update a little. After driving around the brakes work great, I still have not been able to bleed the brakes properly. I am going to wait until I put my new rear calipers and SS brake lines before I bleed again. I can lock up the front brakes with ease. With all the poly bushings and replaced ball joints, the car handles like a dream. There is no slop in the front suspension at all. The 35/40 prop valve seem to help a lot with the rear brakes also. Also there is no odd rotor wear or anything, the pads completely cover the disk and are wearing properly.

[Legend_master]

Just a little suspention update

I modded rear Legend calipers to fit on my car. Here is the thread (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54992) and a little comparison pic.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/0446ef8b.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/1c235a7d.jpg

[2drSE-i]

pretty :)


i wanna do a meet so bad now....well do it sometime soon :)

[Legend_master]

pretty :)
i wanna do a meet so bad now....well do it sometime soon :)


Bring your car down here and I will upgrade your brakes. All you need is Type R calipers, Legend rotorss and we can do the front. Then throw on some Legend calipers in the rear.

[2drSE-i]

hell ive gotta pay for college before i do anything else. ill drive it down there and we can do my springs :)

[Legend_master]

hell ive gotta pay for college before i do anything else. ill drive it down there and we can do my springs :)


Should not take more then 45 min so long as all the bolts break loose. If you really do need help with it, the only day I can do it is on fridays.

[accord upset]

springs are fun lol

[Legend_master]

Ok I have picked up another set of rear disk from an SE-i and I am about to start rebuilding them. It look like I can take the bearing and the piece that bolts the wheels on from a Legend and put them into the accord hub. I know I will be running 4x100, but thats ok because I found some wheels that I want. I dont have a camera right now, but I will post pictures when I get it figured out. Also thanks to accord upset for finding that SE-i in the junkyard.

[MessyHonda]

Ok I have picked up another set of rear disk from an SE-i and I am about to start rebuilding them. It look like I can take the bearing and the piece that bolts the wheels on from a Legend and put them into the accord hub. I know I will be running 4x100, but thats ok because I found some wheels that I want. I dont have a camera right now, but I will post pictures when I get it figured out. Also thanks to accord upset for finding that SE-i in the junkyard.

i knoe i already have se-i disks but how much did you pay at the junkyard? im thinking of going when they have the 50% off sale. i might upgrade to the legend calipers.

[Legend_master]

i knoe i already have se-i disks but how much did you pay at the junkyard? im thinking of going when they have the 50% off sale. i might upgrade to the legend calipers.


$110.00 for the whole setup, if you jsut want to upgrade to the legend calipers you dont have to upgrade the disk. You can just run the Legend caliper with the SE-i bracket as I am doing now.

[MessyHonda]

$110.00 for the whole setup, if you jsut want to upgrade to the legend calipers you dont have to upgrade the disk. You can just run the Legend caliper with the SE-i bracket as I am doing now.

well i already bought drilled and sloted rear rotors....i upgrade to my fat fives and i notice that my brakes work better...and i still have not done the swap yet...lol

[Legend_master]

well i already bought drilled and sloted rear rotors....i upgrade to my fat fives and i notice that my brakes work better...and i still have not done the swap yet...lol

The swap is really not that labor intensive, the hardest part is bleeding the brake system. With a friend you can get i done in no time. Did you get the SE-I controle arm or are you using the Drum controle are. I jsut recently noticed a difference in the arms. I had has to ghetto rid my first swap when I used the LX-i conrtole arm. That is why I bought the SE-i one with the kit.

[MessyHonda]

The swap is really not that labor intensive, the hardest part is bleeding the brake system. With a friend you can get i done in no time. Did you get the SE-I controle arm or are you using the Drum controle are. I jsut recently noticed a difference in the arms. I had has to ghetto rid my first swap when I used the LX-i conrtole arm. That is why I bought the SE-i one with the kit.

thanks picopop offered to help me...i just got to drive to his house. anyways i have the whole set up it even came with lower control arms. i also want to get some Dot 4 braking fluid. anyways do i need to buy any bushings or anything?

[Legend_master]

thanks picopop offered to help me...i just got to drive to his house. anyways i have the whole set up it even came with lower control arms. i also want to get some Dot 4 braking fluid. anyways do i need to buy any bushings or anything?


I would inspect the lower controle arm bushing (it should be alright, but you never know what the previose driver did to it) and I woudl look at the lower shock bushing. That one gets the most stress.

[Legend_master]

Working on the rear setup now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/DSCF0009-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/DSCF0008-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/DSCF0007-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/DSCF0005-2.jpg

[Legend_master]

Yay Camber correction. Look what I got today

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/Camberkitinternet.jpg

[Oldblueaccord]

Which kit?



wp

[Legend_master]

Which kit?
wp


Ingalls, I bought them from tirerack.com (www.tirerack.com) for $68 a side.

[Oldblueaccord]

Reason why I ask is I need the studs that go thru the holes that mount to the body to be longer then the stock arms. If you could compare them at some point let me know what you think. The holes in my body are kinda ovaled out and I want to add a steel plate to the top to reinforce it but I need more thread.


wp

[Legend_master]

Reason why I ask is I need the studs that go thru the holes that mount to the body to be longer then the stock arms. If you could compare them at some point let me know what you think. The holes in my body are kinda ovaled out and I want to add a steel plate to the top to reinforce it but I need more thread.
wp


I will compare them after I install the new kit and let you knwo the results.

[Legend_master]

I got the kit installed, and aligned the car myself. I had to beat out the fender to let the Upper control arm clear. There was jsut enough correction to set my camber perfect. I will give my review when I have put some miles on it. Oh and it was incredibly easy to install.

EDIT: the bolts were almost the same length, but there was alot of thread left at the top.

[Oldblueaccord]

Thanks for checking.

My idea is to add a thick piece of steel accross both holes to strenghten that area and maybe incorporate some kinda of "stut" bar to the fire wall on each side.. I think that kit would not give me enough camber anyway I'm running -2 not lowered right now.


wp

[wprocomp]

can you still use the Lx-i front brake lines with the typeR calipers,I dont remember if I asked you this yet,I would hate for my techna-fit lines to go to waste,I ordered my calipers just a few minutes ago-just need to get some rotors and pads

as for your porportioning valve,I tried the dx/prelude/se-i ones and I never felt a differnce,I came to the conclusion it was useless and the only way to get that "perfect" feel would be to order an adjustible valve,but then that means you will have to rework the steel lines and I really dont wanna mess with that

[Legend_master]

can you still use the Lx-i front brake lines with the typeR calipers,I dont remember if I asked you this yet,I would hate for my techna-fit lines to go to waste,I ordered my calipers just a few minutes ago-just need to get some rotors and pads
as for your porportioning valve,I tried the dx/prelude/se-i ones and I never felt a differnce,I came to the conclusion it was useless and the only way to get that "perfect" feel would be to order an adjustible valve,but then that means you will have to rework the steel lines and I really dont wanna mess with that

You sure can, I am running the technifit lines for a stock LX-i. They bolt on with no problems. As for the prop valve, the only way I would do that is if I was going to remove the valve to clean up the engine bay. I felt a slight difference when I went to the prelude valve, but nothing amazing. It is a 35/40 split and only added a slight bit more breaking ability to the rear. Good luck and hit me up if you need any more help with the Type R swap.

P.S. try finding a 1988-1989 g60 Volkswagon carrado, the rotors are 4x100 and 11". I am very curious as to if they will bolt on well with the rotor or not. Just a suggestion for ease of later replacement.

[wprocomp]

I doubt I can find anything like that at a yard,but I assume it would be just as easy to go to a autozone/napa and put both rotors side by side to see if they would fit,I might run by NAPA tonight and check that out

[Legend_master]

I doubt I can find anything like that at a yard,but I assume it would be just as easy to go to a autozone/napa and put both rotors side by side to see if they would fit,I might run by NAPA tonight and check that out


I had trouble finding them at the local auto shops here and you HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE THE 88-89 all the newer years were 5 lug. I know they will bolt onto the hub with no problem, I'm just not sure about the offset mixed with the offset of the integra caliper. They are more shallow then the legend rotor, but that is ok because the legend rotor has to be spaced out. Let me know what you figure out.

[SQ is the SQUAD]

have you found out anything on that rotor yet?

[Legend_master]

have you found out anything on that rotor yet?


Are you talking about the front? Or the rear, cause the rear is done.

[SQ is the SQUAD]

i was talking about the 11" corodo rotor

[Legend_master]

i was talking about the 11" corodo rotor


I am waiting for my Legend rotors to wear out :violin: and I am not sure if wprocomp has tested yet or not. I will definitely Post once I figure this out.

[Accordtheory]

I'm really curious to see how all this shit compares to my basic ebs yellow pads and 88/89 front disks. I wish I could take a car with all this shit done for a test drive. Some of my friends have newer cars, civics, etc with brake and suspension upgrades, and my car still handles and brakes better than them. I still have drums in the back.. You guys are making me want to upgrade my brakes more, but that's not going to happen until I address some other things first..
What sway bars should I get first?

[Legend_master]

What sway bars should I get first?


You really only have one option. I believe (let me know if I am wrong) ST is the only company that makes sway bars for us anymore?

[MessyHonda]

You really only have one option. I believe (let me know if I am wrong) ST is the only company that makes sway bars for us anymore?


yeah only ones you can still buy at least...when i was talking to mike he said some one had a 4th gen bar with custom endlinks....4th gen aftermarket is way better than ours.

[P|eszczoH]

I dont know if it Was said, but ... I was able to measure some civc 88-90 front LCA poly kit. The bushing to the body is the same measure as Ours, the bushing under the shock is 1 cm shorter but the same diameter.
Dont know if it helps somebody, but.... thought You would like to know.

[2drSE-i]

well they make a kit for our front lca...i want to take a micrometer to the junkyard and see what i can do on the rear...i really need to replace my rear lca bushings but i dont wanna do oem.

[Legend_master]

I dont know if it Was said, but ... I was able to measure some civc 88-90 front LCA poly kit. The bushing to the body is the same measure as Ours, the bushing under the shock is 1 cm shorter but the same diameter.
Dont know if it helps somebody, but.... thought You would like to know.

Actaully when you recieve the front LCA bushings from nopi the packaging says 88-91 civic LCA bushing. So I believe that is what they are initially desinged for. Now the front lower shock bushings said 86-89 accord.


well they make a kit for our front lca...i want to take a micrometer to the junkyard and see what i can do on the rear...i really need to replace my rear lca bushings but i dont wanna do oem.

I dont know dude, I have checked out the rear LCA's and they are basically solid as it is

[P|eszczoH]

Actaully when you recieve the front LCA bushings from nopi the packaging says 88-91 civic LCA bushing. So I believe that is what they are initially desinged for. Now the front lower shock bushings said 86-89 accord.
I dont know dude, I have checked out the rear LCA's and they are basically solid as it is

I know that You can buy a kit from prothane, Well I dont. No one sells it in europe. Ah... as far as I know our front bushing under the shock is no different as in prelude 3rd gen.

About rear bushings... you know ... they are the same as front, some metal and rubber. they can be changed... I hope I will take care about it this summer, but first i have to finish my school. than I can sit more under the car. I have whole rear suspension in the back yard.

[2drSE-i]

id take your word on it then antares, theres not a whole lot of play back there anyway.

[Reptile]

I want a similar setup in time. Gotta tag this.

[Legend_master]

I want a similar setup in time. Gotta tag this.

Sounds good :thumbup:

[gp02a0083]

Working on the rear setup now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/DSCF0009-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/DSCF0008-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/DSCF0007-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/DSCF0005-2.jpg


i only have the knuckles i didn't get the trailing arms, would this still fit then with the stock 89 hatch arms?

[Legend_master]

i only have the knuckles i didn't get the trailing arms, would this still fit then with the stock 89 hatch arms?


Did you get the brackets that connect the rear hubs to the trailing arms?

[gp02a0083]

yah i think so , all i remember before storing them away was that they had some bracket on the knuckle with long bolts.ill have to take a look at them again.

[Legend_master]

yah i think so , all i remember before storing them away was that they had some bracket on the knuckle with long bolts.ill have to take a look at them again.

Well if you have the bracket, then you can connect it to either trailing arm. I just use the arm that is attached because it was easier. They are identical.

[gp02a0083]

thanks for clearing that up legend, ive been worried about this. I finally have everything to do the swap except the brake lines, I was gonna go with techni-fit SS lines but I've been lazy and didn't order them.

I would take it the worst part of the swap is routing the se-i e-brake cables?

[Legend_master]

thanks for clearing that up legend, ive been worried about this. I finally have everything to do the swap except the brake lines, I was gonna go with techni-fit SS lines but I've been lazy and didn't order them.

I would take it the worst part of the swap is routing the se-i e-brake cables?


Did you grab the metal hard brake lines from the sei? Well I removed my heat shield when I did my exhaust, so routing the cables was rather easy. I've done it with the heat shield in place, and that was some what of a bitch!

[guaynabo89]

yup.

installing those under the heat shield is a pain. When I did it back in 98 or so I unbolted the heatshield for a little more clearance. Being its now a good 20 years since heat shield was installed this might not be an option.

[gp02a0083]

Did you grab the metal hard brake lines from the sei? Well I removed my heat shield when I did my exhaust, so routing the cables was rather easy. I've done it with the heat shield in place, and that was some what of a bitch!

Yah i have the hard line that's on the knuckle and the stock hose that attaches to the caliper. I also have the bracket w/ extra bolts for the knuckle / trailing arm .

i think im pretty set then, all i need to get is a new set of lines and this should be ok. I have the se-i prop valve, but i might leave the lx-i one in.

[89accordvtec?]

whats the lowest those D2 coilovers can go? i'm trying to go low n slow (hondamonster low) till i finish my engine build n i like the D2 system.

[MessyHonda]

i think its 4 inch drop max on the d2 or ksports

[Legend_master]

whats the lowest those D2 coilovers can go? i'm trying to go low n slow (hondamonster low) till i finish my engine build n i like the D2 system.

To be honest nobody has dumped there car with D2 coilovers yet, so there is no good answer. I know for sure you could slam the back, but it would be difficult to get the front as low as the back can go. I like to keep the car somewhat drivable, and don't want to have extreme camber issues. So I'll probably never know how low they go.

[89accordvtec?]

to check, you could measure how high the car is on level ground, then measure the adjustment left over on the coilovers. that'll tell you how much lower you can go

[Legend_master]

to check, you could measure how high the car is on level ground, then measure the adjustment left over on the coilovers. that'll tell you how much lower you can go

That is a possibility, when I get the car back I will give it a shot.

[bryan6732]

@Legend_Master: In your 11" rotor and type-R caliper thread (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54232) the last post is there are no washers needed. Is this for Corrado rotors? If yes, that would be great. I can get those rotors (Brembo things) and Prelude VTI calipers practically for really cheap.

The only difference of those rotors I saw in the specs is that these are only 40mm high. Is this the correct size? Cause I can't find any specs on Legend rotors!

[Legend_master]

@Legend_Master: In your 11" rotor and type-R caliper thread (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54232) the last post is there are no washers needed. Is this for Corrado rotors? If yes, that would be great. I can get those rotors (Brembo things) and Prelude VTI calipers practically for really cheap.

The only difference of those rotors I saw in the specs is that these are only 40mm high. Is this the correct size? Cause I can't find any specs on Legend rotors!

No, the corrado rotors will not fit on the accord spindle. The inner diameter of the rotor is to small and will not go on to spindle. The washer that were discussed were for the type R caliper to fit on the Accord hub. When I first started the build I was told to space them out, but that was unnecessary.

[bryan6732]

No, the corrado rotors will not fit on the accord spindle. The inner diameter of the rotor is to small and will not go on to spindle. The washer that were discussed were for the type R caliper to fit on the Accord hub. When I first started the build I was told to space them out, but that was unnecessary.

Okay, guess I missed that part... Thanks for the info!

But on the other hand, with a hub from some other car it would work with the Corrado rotor right? But probably gonna be easier to find a set of Legend rotors then.

[Legend_master]

Okay, guess I missed that part... Thanks for the info!

But on the other hand, with a hub from some other car it would work with the Corrado rotor right? But probably gonna be easier to find a set of Legend rotors then.

Well technically if you found a spindle that was identical to the accord, except 1/8 thinner on the diameter then yes. Best bet is the legend rotor.

[cygnus x-1]

I'm working on the Corrado conversion for my 2g Prelude. The Corrado rotors have a lower offset than typical Honda rotors so the caliper has to be spaced out a lot. And as LegendMaster said they won't fit on the Accord spindle. The 2g Preludes use the smaller spindle like on the DX Civics so the Corrado rotors still fit. I have looked into various spindle swaps but in general the spindle/bearing/knuckle combinations tend to be unique so swapping is usually not possible unless you can swap an entire knuckle assembly. But even then you may have to deal with different axle/spline sizes. It's a minefield.


C|

[ShyBoyCA6]

Oh hey legend, thought i would let you know they changed the part number for the Shock Absorber bushing kit to 409+0008.