headers

[labeledsk8r]

allright i just picked up some pacesetter armor coated headers off ebay for 120 with shiping i figured it was a good deal so i jumped on it, but i was wondering if anyone is runing these headers with a high flow converter, and
the pacesetter cat-back system that is allready on my car? also should i get the ball joint replaced with a flexpipe? and about how much will that run me? heres the pic on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-Accord-1986-89-2-0L-PACESETTER-HEADER-72C1250_W0QQitemZ260002209055QQihZ016QQcategoryZ33 631QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (i hope i put this thread in the right place lol noob) thanks

[Bglad420]

I have one, not armor coated, and I run the ball joint with no problems, on my 88 LXi hatch.

[labeledsk8r]

ok, i heard it tends to sqeak or sometihng but if theres no problems then cool, was 120 with shiping a good deal for the armor coated set?

[Bglad420]

Yeah thats a good deal mine was about that and mine isn't coated, be forwarned that you'll probally need to ream out the flange holes, where the header meets the down pipe, and the bracket that goes under the oil pan. but the rest was golden on mine.

[88Accord-DX]

Good deal on them paceshitters. (3g name for them)

Anyhow, looks like you got a steal for what I see them go for new on ebay.

Edit- yeah, I do beleive you need a flexpipe in there.

[MessyHonda]

yeah i saw thoes headers...they were like 35 bucks when i saw them...not a bad deal...i need a downpipe for thoes headers...well too late.

[labeledsk8r]

ok well i got the headers yesterday and everything looked ok so i was happy, this mornige i was looking them over and such and i noticed that there was a hole inbetween the welds that conect cylinders 1 and 4 right next to were the second 02 sensor goes, im a little pissed, this should be able to get helded up though right? and hopefully withoput striping the damn ceramic coating off? maby inside weld? ugg im crazy pissed i guess i get what i pay for

[crazykamper]

great buy on the header, u got it for a good price! i wish i could get a header right now..... oh well.

just got to any exaust shop and they will weld it up for like max of 20$

[labeledsk8r]

im worried there gona have to grind off some of the ceramic coat

[snoopyloopy]

i doubt they'll have to take off enough of the coating to make much of a difference to reweld the pipes.

[crazykamper]

^ what he said, i dont think it will make a HUGE diff, if they have to grind off a lil. there shouldnt be a problem.

[A20A1]

Weld inside? you don't want welds going into the pipes or it will restrict flow, cause turbulence and what not.

[labeledsk8r]

ugg damn this thing, the hole is as big as a normal speaker wire, not both just one. and i dont have cash to get it re coated i new it was to good to be true on ebay

[2drSE-i]

dude it wont be that big of a deal...

i would go with a flex pipe, much more flexibility(hence the name) than a ball joint

[MessyHonda]

if you dont get it to work il be more than happy to by your downpipe.....yeah i want to find out if they ill work with DC headers...

[snoopyloopy]

if you dont get it to work il be more than happy to by your downpipe.....yeah i want to find out if they ill work with DC headers...
hmm...now that's an idea worth exploring. though who knows where you can find dcs headers. although just the primaries or just the secondaries might be easier to find than a whole thing. if someone gets a pacesetter to me i'll try it since i haven't tried putting on my dcs headers yet.

[MessyHonda]

hmm...now that's an idea worth exploring. though who knows where you can find dcs headers. although just the primaries or just the secondaries might be easier to find than a whole thing. if someone gets a pacesetter to me i'll try it since i haven't tried putting on my dcs headers yet.

yeah im going to get DC headers but the downpipe is missing from wut i heard they are similar to the pacesetters but high quality...they dont use gaskets they have like a mettal ring that connects the 2. well maybe i can find out.

[snoopyloopy]

yeah, they have a metal ring in each tube inbetween the 1sts and the 2nds instead of a real gasket. i was expecting a gasket too when i bought them but they didn't have one so i asked the dude and he said that that's just how they come.

[MessyHonda]

yeah, they have a metal ring in each tube inbetween the 1sts and the 2nds instead of a real gasket. i was expecting a gasket too when i bought them but they didn't have one so i asked the dude and he said that that's just how they come.

do you knoe where i can get some of thoes ring gasket sicne the one im going to get are shot since they have been in the car for 5 years.

[mkymonkey]

wait wait wait....the dc headers need a gasket? shit... i havent put mine on but i dont recall them having one...uh oh...am i in trouble?

[Cheeseburger]

wait wait wait....the dc headers need a gasket? shit... i havent put mine on but i dont recall them having one...uh oh...am i in trouble?


u can use a stock one u ass wipe:bandance:

[mkymonkey]

i know you can use the stock one...but these guys are talking about some ring shit...

so i take it dont need it huh

[A20A1]

The stock exhaust manifold had a ring in it... well at least the 4-1 manifold did.

[mkymonkey]

oh ok...you can now officially consider me clueless

[2oodoor]

I would not worry about welding up a hole that size at the flange, odds are that would not be a favorite place to rust through. Just get some diy coating to touch that place up. I think it was still a good deal considering your options if you want to run and benfit with tubes.
What is up with all the members with DC headers and not putting them on thier cars yet. I wish I had one, it siot-en-lee would be on the car already. 5-15 percent HP and MPG increase yo, (well no mpg if you keep wanting to hear it hammer). No dis-r intended.

[labeledsk8r]

yeah i guess i have been makeing a big deal out of it, been under alot of stress lately trying to figure out when im moveing and if im going to this school and w/e. thanks

The metal gasket that there talking about Mkymonky is inbetween the headers and the downpipe, atleast thats what i have with the ones, its a small copper peice like such http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/ring.jpg

[snoopyloopy]

so there's actually a gasket that goes there? because i didn't get one with my headers either and the guy i bought them from said he never had a gasket.

[labeledsk8r]

i guess, i dont know about on other headers but on these paceseters, that gasket came along with it

[snoopyloopy]

oh, but me and monkey are talking about dcs headers. at least neither of us got one with our headers. and i don't think that copper gasket will work for us either. here's what the dcs headers look like:
secondaries
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y185/snoopyloopy/car/accord/DSCN2290.jpg
primaries
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y185/snoopyloopy/car/accord/DSCN2291.jpg

[A20A1]

Doesn't look like it needs one I mean a flat gasket.

I think I see the 2 rings.

[snoopyloopy]

yeah, they're in the secondaries. they're part of the header too so you don't have to worry about them falling out and disappearing.

[MessyHonda]

well what rings can i buy? or just i go with the pacesetter gasket if i can find one?

[labeledsk8r]

yeah there completly diff. looks like the rings are allready attatched on your secondaries, built in perharps? pacesetter probably cut corners to cut price. by the looks of those dc's it has a good seal, might not need one. but i have no clue

[snoopyloopy]

yeah, and from the looks of that gasket and then my pix, i don't think a dcs header and a pacesetter header will bolt up to each other for the 1sts/2nds. it'll have to be a cut and hack job and so by then you'll probably lose any advantage the dcs header has over the pacesetter.

[snoopyloopy]

does anyone know the specs on the bolt for the dcs headers that goes between the primaries and the secondaries? thickness, thread depth, etc.

[labeledsk8r]

well i just installed today, talk about you get what you pay for, my car has a weird rattle now when its at a light mayby the 3 main bolts conecting the down pipe to the headers lose?? dont know, it could be my radiator aswell as i couldent find one of the rubber mounts to put back in the base. i noticed when i got back from the test drive 2 of the pipes were glowing orange? wtf?? is this a good thing or no? it was night so that helped me be bacle to see it

[labeledsk8r]

oh yeah the old manifold got thrown away along with the downpipe and flex pipe, so theres no return, unless i go get it from the dumpster now

[MessyHonda]

lol thank god you outbid me....yeah i cant wait to get my damn DC hearders....that would be the shit....oh yeah i also got a 2.25 cat with a magnaflow muffler...it just needs to be installed...yeah i heard that the header hits the front crossmember and that is what makes the rattle and you will have to shave off a bit off the crossmemeber

[labeledsk8r]

ahhh allright, i will look at that tomarow, i truely didnt know i was bidding against someone else on here, if i woulda known i probably woulda not bid. but there were sitting here, and i had allready got them re-welded, so it was like "install them now or never install them wich also ment not installing the high flow cat either becuse the old pipeing was very past time to be changed and was rusted together,

[Acid X]

The rattling is caused by the pacesetter downpipe hitting a crossmember in the engine bay...

Get the car up on a lift and you should see it.

You'll have to nick out a piece of the crossmember to keep it from hitting. Funny thing is this doesnt happen in all cars... Only some.

[labeledsk8r]

should it be fine to drive like this? i wont be able to get it up on the jacks again for about 3-5 days

[snoopyloopy]

yeah, chop your crossmember. and does anyone know the specs for the bolts on the dcs headers between primaries and secondaries? because my car is sitting on jacks and i can't drive it till i get it bolted together because it attracts too much attention to itself. either that or i have to put the stock headers back on.

[Sabz5150]

yeah, chop your crossmember. and does anyone know the specs for the bolts on the dcs headers between primaries and secondaries? because my car is sitting on jacks and i can't drive it till i get it bolted together because it attracts too much attention to itself. either that or i have to put the stock headers back on.

Take the header to a Honda dealership. They'll sell you the bolts you need for the header. Worked for me. They'll also hook you up with the proper crush gaskets too.

[snoopyloopy]

about how much would they run me from the dealer? because i got some bolts from the hardware store that will work just as well. if anyone ever needs to know so they can pick them up on their own, they're a 10 mm bolt with a 1.0 pitch. get whatever length you want.

[labeledsk8r]

allright well i got the peice cut out and well it still has vibration, i think the hangers on the muffler are up agaisnt something on the back end so ima check that out tomarow, it seems to be really really bad right at 2,000rpm's i thought mayby my trany is screwing up but dont know. i will check the rest of the pipes for hangups someplace along the pipe

[labeledsk8r]

ok well tomaow ima lift it back up and check for hit marks along the pipe, i think that were the downpipe bolts up to the bracket just behind the oil pan is hitting aswell. can this be choped or is it needed?? are there any other known places anyware that could be hitting and rattleing

[labeledsk8r]

ok i got it lifted back up and just as i thought the bracket that hangs down behind the oil pan that holds the downpipe is slamed up against the side of the oil pan, can i take this out or is that a bad idea? anyone else have a problem with this bracket??

[Cheeseburger]

i see nothing....

[labeledsk8r]

i see nothing....

im guessing a pic would help? um hold up i will post one in a minute just gotta grab the camra

[labeledsk8r]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/labeledsk8r/bracket.jpg
you cant see it to well but the black part of the bracket (coverd in old oil and dirt) is resting on the oil pan higher up, can this just be choped out or is that bracket needed?

[snoopyloopy]

well i'm sure you can see what it does. if you take it out, you put more stress on the exhaust studs and the bolts between the downpipe and the cat. i put on my dcs headers and i didn't attach mine and it seems alright. so it's up to you, really. these aftermarket headers are MUCH lighter than the stock pieces so the stresses on the bolts and studs won't be as much as if it was the stock pieces.