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EducatedFool
07-11-2006, 04:29 PM
So lately, Ive been digging around the net ALOT trying to find B20A swaps for all of us. I have some promising news to report. Passwordjdm has become interested in supplying the swap, and wants to know exactly how much they can hope to get for each swap (engine, 5spd, ecu). So let me know so I can relay the info to them (BTW, I have them looking for the B20A's from 2g ludes and 3g accords).

bobafett
07-11-2006, 05:46 PM
500 lol :)

might be a lowball, but shit if u pay much more than that its probably worth it to just roll b16/18/20 and make your own mounts. :)

but feel free to disreguard my comment, i dont plan on going b20. :D

2drSE-i
07-11-2006, 06:15 PM
id say no more than $1000. it would be difficult to market above $1000, especially to us :D

B16KILLA
07-11-2006, 06:31 PM
I agree anything more than a grand is vtec land. Great find btw if they do decide to start selling the swap I'll be first inline.

MessyHonda
07-11-2006, 06:50 PM
yup maybe 750....but im not trying to spend more money than wut i got the car for...so 500 is my limit.

Strugglebucket
07-11-2006, 06:59 PM
$500 gets my vote, too. that would be sweet!

snoopyloopy
07-11-2006, 07:40 PM
$1000 shipped is the most i'd probably pay. including tranny. maybe $1500 if it comes with axles and ecu

EducatedFool
07-11-2006, 08:36 PM
ECU would be included, they pull all ecu's out of the cars w/ the engines. i'll ask about axles once i get a reply back again.

snoopyloopy
07-11-2006, 09:37 PM
cool cool. although if it came down to it any time soon, i don't have $1000 to spend on anything besides school.

ZackieDarko
07-11-2006, 10:19 PM
id pay

$1000 SHIPPED if it came with engine, 5spd tranny, ECU, axels

i'd go as high as $1150

AccordRacing21
07-11-2006, 10:24 PM
1000 is my limit too. Although I'm really hoping those B series mounts get copied then I'm definately putting a B series VTEC in. The A20 is having some issues.

B16KILLA
07-11-2006, 10:25 PM
^^^^^^ thats the max I would go

EducatedFool
07-14-2006, 04:40 AM
I got a reply back from another company that said the would only sell it as front clips. I asked for the price and just have to wait for the reply.

chainz
07-14-2006, 05:20 AM
front clip is great cause it will have everything in place (maybe even including jdm corners and such) but shipping is gonna be horrible - especially to those of us who live in NOT California
:(

ghettogeddy
07-14-2006, 05:41 AM
so this is for engine tranny and wiring dose it come with the dash wire or is it interchangeable

EX-ileAccord
07-14-2006, 06:26 AM
I'm in for up to $1000. but i dought we'll get a front clip for that, especially in Canada

EducatedFool
07-14-2006, 08:02 AM
the guy's w/ the clip sell S5 FC front clips for $1500, I can't see them trying to charge more for old accord clips. alot of their clips usually come w/ dash.

as for the other guy's w/ the swap, they're pretty busy, so im still waiting to get a reply back.

Vanilla Sky
07-14-2006, 08:35 AM
i sourced a front cut for $600. 5speed, too. i wouldn't go more than $1200 for a front cut to my door (well, a shop's).

B16KILLA
07-14-2006, 08:56 AM
i sourced a front cut for $600. 5speed, too. i wouldn't go more than $1200 for a front cut to my door (well, a shop's).

Where? Can you post the info because instead of going turbo, I want a badass alll motor b20 hehe.

Vanilla Sky
07-14-2006, 09:45 AM
i lost contact with the shop. it may have been passwordJDM. it was one of the bigger importers that had one sent to them by mistake.

EducatedFool
07-14-2006, 10:52 AM
then i'd doubt they'd sell for that low if they only did that because it was a mistake.

2ndGenGuy
07-14-2006, 12:01 PM
I'm in for $1000. If we can get a whole front clip for that much, how can I not? I'd even go a little more.

EducatedFool
07-18-2006, 04:26 AM
$1100, front clip, anyone interested?

ZackieDarko
07-18-2006, 04:32 AM
$1100, front clip, anyone interested?


i am, but i wont have money for about a month :(

EX-ileAccord
07-18-2006, 04:42 AM
whats the shipping cost?

EducatedFool
07-18-2006, 07:39 AM
i emailed the guy on shipping cost, i should find out in the next couple of days

EX-ileAccord
07-18-2006, 08:11 AM
Sweet. I'm in canada btw, so I'd say I'm lookin at 2 grand or more canadain

EducatedFool
07-18-2006, 08:14 AM
I can't imagine the shipping cost being a whole lot, lemme see if i can find something out from here (i'm at work, and can't check my email)

EDIT: I also just found this- http://www.flashoptions.com/product.asp?prodID=191

MessyHonda
07-18-2006, 08:56 AM
I can't imagine the shipping cost being a whole lot, lemme see if i can find something out from here (i'm at work, and can't check my email)
EDIT: I also just found this- http://www.flashoptions.com/product.asp?prodID=191

nice find...that is freken cheap...now you got me thinking if its worth it....but that engine looks like its been to hell

EducatedFool
07-18-2006, 09:56 AM
lol yeah, it does look like crap. i read their warrenty page though, and it seems pretty good, you should check it out.

EX-ileAccord
07-18-2006, 11:24 AM
yeah im at work too and i cant do shit all hahaha that price looks good $499 for the engine tranny and intake

rjudgey
07-18-2006, 01:05 PM
Thats also not a B20A it's a 3G lude B20A5 so won't fit anyway

EducatedFool
07-18-2006, 01:06 PM
it definitly says from an accord on the description....

EX-ileAccord
07-18-2006, 01:18 PM
how can you tell from that pic if its from a lude?

EducatedFool
07-18-2006, 04:23 PM
lol nvm, doesn't say what car it came from in the description. i'm assuming he's guessing? idk.

snoopyloopy
07-18-2006, 05:10 PM
i would guess that it's from a 3g lude too simply because the 2g lude/3g acord b20a is just such a rare piece of equipment. there was a 3g lude b20a too so that further complicates things

EducatedFool
07-18-2006, 08:19 PM
450 shipping for the clip w/out body panels :( its 750 shipping w/ body panels :( :( that's for the clips

EX-ileAccord
07-18-2006, 08:58 PM
what does the clip come with? if it comes with the motor and tranny that price sounds awesome

B16KILLA
07-18-2006, 09:24 PM
I'm going to get one in about a week if things go right.

ZackieDarko
07-18-2006, 09:34 PM
are you kidding!? 750 is the MOST damn thats a fucken STEAL im gonna get one of these!

ZackieDarko
07-18-2006, 09:47 PM
is that shiped to Canada Land or the U.S.?

2ndGenGuy
07-18-2006, 09:59 PM
So are we looking at $1550 shipped to our door without body panels? How might we go about doing this? I'd be able to put down the money next Thursday.

MessyHonda
07-18-2006, 10:06 PM
So are we looking at $1550 shipped to our door without body panels? How might we go about doing this? I'd be able to put down the money next Thursday.

hey my friend with the 85 SE-i just got a nav and he is going to sell his honda...i told him that they are rare...but he does not care... i think it has like 190k but its been keeped up he pays 50 bucks just to change the oil...i told him i did it for 20 bucks in my sidewalk since i dont have thoes ramps

rjudgey
07-19-2006, 12:41 AM
I can tell because i know, the engine angle is wrong andthe shape of teh rocker cover is different has anlge sides where as the B20A from 2G lude and 3G accord is flat.

rjudgey
07-19-2006, 12:53 AM
The whole engine is definately 3G prelude B20A5 everything is different on this rocker cover number of vac tubes, the exhaust shield, the dizzy etc.etc. do i need to go on. This engine will not fit 100% so please guy's don't waste your money or time. If he can get you one then make sure he has pics of it in the car to be 100% sure!!

EducatedFool
07-19-2006, 07:27 AM
uhh... we talked about that other engine for like, 2 posts, and then left it at that.

the 750 w/ body panels is the most, and that's shipped anywhere in North America. i'll ask the guy for pics of the cars before he cuts them (he said himself that they're rare, but they have found a few). I'll ask how many they have and when exactly they will be available. It's from the website www.flashoptions.com

Legend_master
07-19-2006, 07:32 AM
uhh... we talked about that other engine for like, 2 posts, and then left it at that.
the 750 w/ body panels is the most, and that's shipped anywhere in North America. i'll ask the guy for pics of the cars before he cuts them (he said himself that they're rare, but they have found a few). I'll ask how many they have and when exactly they will be available. It's from the website www.flashoptions.com


Make sure they are 5-speeds.

EducatedFool
07-19-2006, 07:39 AM
LOL, I KNOW! :-P I know what to look for and what to ask for already. You gotta remember, I'm shopping for myself as well :-P So I'll make sure everything is right and in order.

EX-ileAccord
07-19-2006, 07:49 AM
$750 for everything including shipping.....someone pinch me i think im dreaming

EducatedFool
07-19-2006, 08:28 AM
how bout i kick you instead... LOL cause that's not even close to what i said. i said 750 was the SHIPPING cost :-P w/ all body panels included, and 450 w/out panels

EX-ileAccord
07-19-2006, 08:31 AM
hahaha yeah a kick would work lol sorry man

B16KILLA
07-19-2006, 10:12 AM
Make sure they are 5-speeds.

Dude, 5speed or not I'm getting one lol. I can always worry about that later.

EducatedFool
07-19-2006, 10:56 AM
i won't know if he's replied to my email until i get home from work tonight (damn internet filters :( ). i'll keep you guys informed on the progress

ZackieDarko
07-19-2006, 12:50 PM
so 450 for the clip and 750 for shiping?

EducatedFool
07-19-2006, 12:57 PM
omg........

EX-ileAccord
07-19-2006, 01:06 PM
AHAHAHAHA man you should just quit wile your ahead lol

ZackieDarko
07-20-2006, 05:38 AM
i am just really confused

:(

EducatedFool
07-20-2006, 07:46 AM
lol its ok, i get like that sometimes :-P

For the final rundown, price goes as followed:

$1100 for the B20A front clip (most likely off the 2g Prelude, but I will ask for him to clarify for me)

$450 shipping w/o body panels

$750 shipping w/ body panels

It's an additional $180 if you want your clip within 30 days (air)

Otherwise, it comes by sea and takes 6-8 weeks.

rjudgey
07-20-2006, 11:27 AM
hey guy's not sure about this but the 2G lude B20A may have different rear mount and side mount as they are different from the ET/A20 engine found on the AB chassis lude. Might be just the rear as the side mount didn't pose too much of a problem when Civvy's car had B20A dropped into his 2G carbed lude, but the crossmembers under his car had to all be changed to fit the engine in. Also teh driveshafts will most likely be different lengths as well and the gear linkages maybe different lengths too but your original A20 ones may fit straight on. Too be 100% sure i'd make sure you get a 3G accord one for the easiest fit, not syaing a 2G lude one would be bad to get if you need the engine and tranny only then they'll be fine apart from having different dizzy and ECU.

EducatedFool
07-20-2006, 12:22 PM
I'm gonna email the guy tonight and ask him how many he can get from 3g Accords. I'll let you guys know when I find out.

ZackieDarko
07-20-2006, 02:51 PM
looks like i need to save $1730

hey can you ask if we can put money down and setup some kind of instalment plan and get the stuff sent to us when we pay it off?

*edit* all prices are in Canadian right?

snoopyloopy
07-20-2006, 07:25 PM
hmm...so $1550. that's not too bad, really. especially for an engine that puts down the same numbers as a b16 but has the potential to bolt right in.

EducatedFool
07-21-2006, 05:52 AM
I e-mailed the guy again asking about pictures and how many he's going to have. All prices are in US$.

ZackieDarko
07-21-2006, 01:51 PM
it's times like this i wish i would of bought a bunch of Euro's and held onto them because this would be cheaper for me if i did that :(

EducatedFool
08-06-2006, 10:13 AM
sorry, its been a while since i posted. i just moved across the country, and i haven't had time to research or talk to the guy. I don't have sufficient enough time on the internet these days (don't have my own computer yet), so if anyone wants to take this one, the website is www.flashoptions.com

Enigma
08-09-2006, 06:05 AM
I've been searching for ever to find the carb'ed b20a.. with no luck. I have cash waiting but no one to pay.. so, if PasswordJDM can find these motors I wouldn't pay more than $500 + shipping for the complete longblock, ecu, mounts, harness, and axles, ect. For the front-clip of the carb'ed b20a I'd pay no more than $1,000 + shipping. The EFI b20a I could see going for $750 + shipping, and the clip no more than $1,100 + shipping.

Seriously, post up info. in a new thread if they start supplying them.

Trevor

shepherd79
08-09-2006, 06:13 AM
there weren't any carbed B20A motors. They were EFi only. If oyu want carbed you can reuse your stock intake manifold and bolt up stock carb or weber carb.

Or you can ask for B18A with dual keihin sidedraft carbs.

Enigma
08-09-2006, 06:27 AM
there weren't any carbed B20A motors. They were EFi only. If oyu want carbed you can reuse your stock intake manifold and bolt up stock carb or weber carb.

Or you can ask for B18A with dual keihin sidedraft carbs.
I will have to read up on that.. do you think the same thing can be done with the A20's? And yes, I am searching right now.

Trevor

A20A1
08-09-2006, 07:51 AM
The A20 and B20 share the same head intake ports.
The A20 had both carbureted and fuel injected intake manifolds.
Any of those are swappable between the B20 and the A20.

Enigma
08-09-2006, 08:30 AM
The A20 and B20 share the same head intake ports.
The A20 had both carbureted and fuel injected intake manifolds.
Any of those are swappable between the B20 and the A20.
Thanks!!!!

"B18A with dual keihin sidedraft carbs"

Is there an advantage with the carbs on this set-up? Could this be swapped to a B20A? Just wondering if I should play with a new head on the A20 or just swap it.

Trevor

sean151
11-07-2006, 09:56 AM
So would this engine, http://www.flashoptions.com/product.asp?prodID=191 , fit inside 3gee accord?
If yes, what else would I/we need to make this run?

MessyHonda
11-07-2006, 10:03 AM
So would this engine, http://www.flashoptions.com/product.asp?prodID=191 , fit inside 3gee accord?
If yes, what else would I/we need to make this run?

well it dont not look like it will fit....pic looks from another car this is the engine we need....i would call them and ask them if its the b20a for the 2nd gen prelude and 3rd gen accord engine

http://img82.exs.cx/img82/8264/38207396full3oq.jpg

shepherd79
11-07-2006, 10:05 AM
So would this engine, http://www.flashoptions.com/product.asp?prodID=191 , fit inside 3gee accord?
If yes, what else would I/we need to make this run?

nope, that looks like 88-89 prelude engine.
the way it sits, the intake manifold is too high in that picture, thus meakes me believe the engine is tilted back.

snoopyloopy
11-07-2006, 12:31 PM
So would this engine, http://www.flashoptions.com/product.asp?prodID=191 , fit inside 3gee accord?
If yes, what else would I/we need to make this run?
no, not fittee. it tilts back. look at the pic messy posted of the correct b20a.

carotman
11-07-2006, 01:44 PM
The valve cover shape is a dead giveaway. The exhaust shield too.

Too bad they never import our engines.

rjudgey
11-07-2006, 01:55 PM
Yep definately wrong engine that pictures been posted before from here. These guy's just don't know what a B20A is.

You would have more luck getting one from U.K. or Europe at least they only came with manual gearbox's so you'd be allright there!!

And yes a A20A1 carb inlet manifold will fit a B20A but you need a Weber to have the right fuel mixture the stock carb runs too lean on the B20A and you'll end up with a melted engine if you run it on that Honda downdraught. So if you are a carbed lude and you want a B20A all you would need is the engine, gearbox, the dizzy or dizzy from 1st Gen teg which should work with your existing ignition system the rest you can re-use and run a Weber on. Should still be good for 150-170bhp with a DGAS 38/38. But twin DCOE's would be better but you'd need a custom inlet manifold like my ones i have for my A20 and B20.

snoopyloopy
11-09-2006, 11:31 AM
The valve cover shape is a dead giveaway. The exhaust shield too.

Too bad they never import our engines.
yeah, now that i look at it, it is.

note to others: the b20a for our car has the oil filler cap on the (lhd) passenger side aka tranny side of the engine. on the prelude one, it's on the (lhd) driver side of the engine.

cali4nia
12-05-2006, 06:18 PM
I've been doing a little resaerch on the B20A engine and found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_B20A_engine

The engine that flashpoints.com has pictured maybe a B20A longblock out of an 88-91 3rd Gen Prelude. It would explain why it is tilt towards the firewall.

MessyHonda
12-05-2006, 06:24 PM
I've been doing a little resaerch on the B20A engine and found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_B20A_engine
The engine that flashpoints.com has pictured maybe a B20A longblock out of an 88-91 3rd Gen Prelude. It would explain why it is tilt towards the firewall.

corect...and :welcome:

snoopyloopy
12-05-2006, 06:40 PM
I've been doing a little resaerch on the B20A engine and found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_B20A_engine
The engine that flashpoints.com has pictured maybe a B20A longblock out of an 88-91 3rd Gen Prelude. It would explain why it is tilt towards the firewall.
flashpoints.com?

A18A
12-05-2006, 06:49 PM
i think he means flashoptions.com :D smileys arnt working??? :S

snoopyloopy
12-05-2006, 06:55 PM
i think he means flashoptions.com
ahh, lol. :D bc flashpoints.com most definitely isn't about engines in any way, shape, or form.

cali4nia
12-06-2006, 03:03 PM
flashpoints.com?

I meant flashoptions.com... Sorry bout that, was little tired last night.

MessyHonda
12-06-2006, 03:06 PM
yeah some one posted that long time ago....its not even the right b20.

snoopyloopy
12-07-2006, 07:04 AM
yeah, if this is the engine you're talking about, it's most definitely the wrong one. a quick glance will tell you that. you can tell it's the one that leans back by looking how high the intake manifold sits in relation to the valve cover and by the valve cover itself. also other minor visual differences like which side the oil filler cap is on, the timing belt cover, etc.

wrong b20a
http://flashoptions.com/i_prod/B20Aengine.JPG

right b20a
http://www.3geez.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1358&d=1031468019

DDRaptor
12-20-2006, 01:05 PM
Hey $550 would be my limit, theres a local place around me that does $350 Engine and $250 Tranny don't know about the ECU.

Another question which is the right B20 cause i thought it was the B20A5 but it is'nt.

..??

MessyHonda
12-20-2006, 01:38 PM
Hey $550 would be my limit, theres a local place around me that does $350 Engine and $250 Tranny don't know about the ECU.
Another question which is the right B20 cause i thought it was the B20A5 but it is'nt.
..??


lol add couple zeros to that number

snoopyloopy
12-20-2006, 02:04 PM
Hey $550 would be my limit, theres a local place around me that does $350 Engine and $250 Tranny don't know about the ECU.
Another question which is the right B20 cause i thought it was the B20A5 but it is'nt.
..??
read this thread: http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11811

2oodoor
03-29-2008, 06:02 PM
WOW, what a waste of 15 minutes worth of reading at the edge of my seat, that was a pure tease for torture wasn't it.

Civic Accord Honda
03-29-2008, 07:17 PM
WOW, what a waste of 15 minutes worth of reading at the edge of my seat, that was a pure tease for torture wasn't it.
haha word!

ghettogeddy
03-29-2008, 07:28 PM
and thanks for reviving this dead thread and giving me hope you suck

2oodoor
03-30-2008, 05:17 AM
and thanks for reviving this dead thread and giving me hope you suck

I get that alot lately ~~~
if you read this though you can see how cheap those things were going for if they were at importers already and you were a walk in customer. Some of the locations just got shipping containers full of misc. JDM stuff from all makes, like grab bag. They still do in fact, but the b20 is so old, those will be few now.