How much horsepower does your 3gee have?

[oldschool3g]

Hey guys...just thought id open a new thread to see how fast my 3gee can get with some modifications....post away!

[BustedStruts]

98hp. When it was new. Now probably like 85 or so. Still faster than an h2.

[Cheeseburger]

both of my cars were dyno
my lxi 106whp
my lx 89whp

[oldschool3g]

those are the results with no mods right?

[TWOLOUDNPROUD]

129.987.908Hp or more like 160Hp:kekeke:

[Cheeseburger]

those are the results with no mods right?


nope
Neuspeed Wires
MSD 6A unit
DC Sports Header
CAI with k&n filter
complete Exhaust 22" Resonator, High Flow Cat, 5x8 Oval Exhaust.

[frantik]

the 89 lxi is supposed to hve like 118 stock .. i wonder how much mine has after all these years if Cheeseburger's modded 89 lxi only rated 106

[HondaBoy]

for comparison. my friends '92 accord sedan is pretty much exactly matched with mine when we run, from a stop or a roll. his engine is supposed to have 125 hp mines only supposed to have 98 hp, so i'm good. i've done the vacuum removal on the carb, and done a few other things on the carb, cat back exhaust. thats about it. most civics are well matched with my accord also. i seriously thinking of doing the manual transmisson swap now.

[Cheeseburger]

the 89 lxi is supposed to hve like 118 stock .. i wonder how much mine has after all these years if Cheeseburger's modded 89 lxi only rated 106
here is what eveyone else did. and it was a dynojet
http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49778&highlight=so+cal+dyno+meet

[mkymonkey]

i think mine is just at 100 or so. lol

[drago742]

i should have like 120 my lxi kept up with a tc with a full exhaust while i was racing on the turnpike

[3G Jester]

LMAO @ buttdyno threads.

[HostileJava]

Keep in mind when you see stock HP #'s listed that is at the crank. Most people show wheel horse power #'s from the dyno machine. You loose some power in the drivetrain, more so for an auto then a manual. So if the stock dx has 98hph at the crank it's probably closer to 85-90 at the wheels depending on if you are auto or manual. And of course most of our engines have alot more miles on them so you can't expect them to be putting out the stock #'s anymore without a rebuild. Also keep in mind that there is a weight to hp ratio. Just because you can keep up with a car that is making 125hp at the wheels doesn't mean you are.

[mkymonkey]

i should have like 120 my lxi kept up with a tc with a full exhaust while i was racing on the turnpike

lol

[drago742]

ooo so if it says i got lilke 120 thas from the crank so with the miles and the weight it might be like 100 or less right i got 195,000 miles

[gfrg88]

dynoed at 101.8 WHP!! 108 ft-lbs!!! :rockon:
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b192/gfrg88/scan.jpg



its definately a lot more now, maybe at around 115ish WHP :dunno: still need to get my cam on and my new IM :D

[HostileJava]

You guys are hopeless:uh:

[mkymonkey]

why do you say that? ^^^^^^

[HostileJava]

:), I just like the butt dyno results everyone is posting.

[EricW]

When I had mine on a dyno a few months back I made 120hp at the wheel with 113tq.

[rjudgey]

187bhp
Moddified Stock Cast 4-2 manifold custom 2-1 downpipe with 2" collector and 2.25" system.
Pipercams 272 degree 10mm lift camshaft.
Twin Moddified Weber DCOE 45's on custom inlet manifold.
Moddified ET1 Head built and designed by me. (stock valve sizes custom finish)
Stock RE-built ET1 block with patent sealed power 82.7mm A20A1 pistons.

198bhp
Same exhaust as above.
Pipercams 272 degree 10mm lift camshaft.
Twin Moddified Weber DCOE 45's on Autoquip inlet manifold.
Moddified A18 Head built and designed by me. (Big valve conversion using exhuast valves machined to 33mm to fit inot the inlet ports with custom finish, stock exhuast valve size)
Stock RE-built A20 block with patent sealed power 82.7mm A20A1 pistons.

In the Works 230bhp+ (projected power output)
Custom 4-2-1 header with 2.25" collector and 2.5" system.
Custom Camshaft 285 degree duration inlet 11mm lift 295 degree duration 12mm lift.
Moddified Weber DCOE 45's with custom inlet manifold with 6" long runners.
Moddified A20 Head built and designed by me. (Big valve conversion using custom valves 33mm inlet 37mm exhaust stainless steel with custom finish)
Re-built block with titanium rods, piston pins, forged pistons custom with 3 valve reliefs per piston and flat tops with CR ratio of around 11.5:1

[epic1400cs]

187bhp
Moddified Stock Cast 4-2 manifold custom 2-1 downpipe with 2" collector and 2.25" system.
Pipercams 272 degree 10mm lift camshaft.
Twin Moddified Weber DCOE 45's on custom inlet manifold.
Moddified ET1 Head built and designed by me. (stock valve sizes custom finish)
Stock RE-built ET1 block with patent sealed power 82.7mm A20A1 pistons.
198bhp
Same exhaust as above.
Pipercams 272 degree 10mm lift camshaft.
Twin Moddified Weber DCOE 45's on Autoquip inlet manifold.
Moddified A18 Head built and designed by me. (Big valve conversion using exhuast valves machined to 33mm to fit inot the inlet ports with custom finish, stock exhuast valve size)
Stock RE-built A20 block with patent sealed power 82.7mm A20A1 pistons.
In the Works 230bhp+ (projected power output)
Custom 4-2-1 header with 2.25" collector and 2.5" system.
Custom Camshaft 285 degree duration inlet 11mm lift 295 degree duration 12mm lift.
Moddified Weber DCOE 45's with custom inlet manifold with 6" long runners.
Moddified A20 Head built and designed by me. (Big valve conversion using custom valves 33mm inlet 37mm exhaust stainless steel with custom finish)
Re-built block with titanium rods, piston pins, forged pistons custom with 3 valve reliefs per piston and flat tops with CR ratio of around 11.5:1
:rockon: :rockon:

[rjudgey]

What do you think of the style auto body kit for the aerodeck?

[mkymonkey]

lol....you know we're kidding right mr. strugglebucket? i guess i have to apologize since i started it all....so i apologize :D

[guaynabo89]

I'll be finding out soon. (like next 2-3 weeks) Lets hope I push the 200whp mark (crosses fingers) Or at least getit runnig right at this point.

[A18A]

lol @ all those deleted posts..

i'd say my car has between 0 - 70, if im pushing 70 im pretty happy :)

[gfrg88]

I'll be finding out soon. (like next 2-3 weeks) Lets hope I push the 200whp mark (crosses fingers) Or at least getit runnig right at this point.

:omg: 200whp?? NA? what are you mods dude, i forgot everything you got, its basically a fully built engine right??

[smufguy]

When i had 164K on the carb, i got it down to 80hp with the g-tech pro. With the efi conversion, exhaust mods and a camro fuel pump with 40psi at WOT, i got around 109hp on the same g-tech pro. I am sure i have atleast 110hp. :-D yeah g-tech pro is not that realistic or accurate, but there are the numbers.

[88Accord-DX]

I'm guessing my motor will turn about 105 H.P. with being bored out .040 over. Stock straight out though.

[sinisterfuzzy]

:omg: 200whp?? NA? what are you mods dude, i forgot everything you got, its basically a fully built engine right??

yeah, what are you running?

[Cheeseburger]

thats one of the coolest cars in here

[EX-ileAccord]

My EX-i put down a whooping 68hp on my buddies g-tech lol

[snoopyloopy]

i should have some mediocre numbers. sri + dcs headers. i need to get a new muffler welded to it then i'll install my 2.25" exhaust + hi-flo cat that's sitting in the garage. and a cam should push me to have a somewhat decent number chart.

[guaynabo89]

yeah, what are you running?


Are you talking to me?

If so its completely built with all the goodiies in the block and cylinder head complete with obd1 conversion right now going to be tuned by AEM EMS with wideband and all the bolt ons you can stick on an engine.

Heres what it looks like.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/sinnedone/DSC00012-1.jpg

[rjudgey]

Did you have bigger valves put into the head? to make 200whp you'd need at least 33mm inlet valves and possibly bigger exhaust valves, if not 200bhp at the fly is about max you'll get from stock size valves maybe a bit more if your running a crazy cam and some seriously high CR ratio pistons like 12:1 with race octane fuel.
Impressive engine bay the aftermarket fuel setup is the way to go but good luck tuning that will be an all day event on the rollers to get the best out of it. You'll have to try different cam timing settings, different ignition timing settings whole loada fun also make sure your tyres are pumped up good otherwise effects the readout on the rollers due to the extra drag.

[guaynabo89]

Valves are stock in size. The stems are slimmed down and the back of the valve has also been worked and polished for better flow. In some cases yes bigger is better as far as valve size goes. I really dont know for a fact how much of a difference the larger valves will be over the stock sized valves properly done cause I really dont have the money o have someone ry out different directions on valve size and porting.

I honestly expect around 160-180 whp. If I happen to get anythign past 180whp it will be a plus. Now if I happen to get on the low end towards 160whp I will be disappointed. The only thing that is kind of hurting me right now is a little loss of tourque because if the tb and mani but it definately makes up for it in mid to top end. I just have to fix this breaking the motor mount problem and its off to the dyno for a good couple of hours of tuning. I'm keeping my fingers crossed and hoping a put together a good combination of parts that will net me the results I want. I'll really see when I install my camshaft where the hp sits with the butt dyno. lol

and yeah gotta get the front alignment as close as I can to 0 degrees on camber toe etc with filling up the tires to like 36-38 psi so I dont get any extra drag on the dyno.

[MessyHonda]

Valves are stock in size. The stems are slimmed down and the back of the valve has also been worked and polished for better flow. In some cases yes bigger is better as far as valve size goes. I really dont know for a fact how much of a difference the larger valves will be over the stock sized valves properly done cause I really dont have the money o have someone ry out different directions on valve size and porting.
I honestly expect around 160-180 whp. If I happen to get anythign past 180whp it will be a plus. Now if I happen to get on the low end towards 160whp I will be disappointed. The only thing that is kind of hurting me right now is a little loss of tourque because if the tb and mani but it definately makes up for it in mid to top end. I just have to fix this breaking the motor mount problem and its off to the dyno for a good couple of hours of tuning. I'm keeping my fingers crossed and hoping a put together a good combination of parts that will net me the results I want. I'll really see when I install my camshaft where the hp sits with the butt dyno. lol
and yeah gotta get the front alignment as close as I can to 0 degrees on camber toe etc with filling up the tires to like 36-38 psi so I dont get any extra drag on the dyno.

do you have an adj cam gear?

[guaynabo89]

do you have an adj cam gear?


yes

[A18A]

a adjustable cam gear would make life so much easier, but how does it work?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/sinnedone/DSC00013-1.jpg
do you just gotta loosen them bolts, then adjust it then tighten them? how tight do you tighten them? coz wouldnt wanna be loose and dthen it would just slip and fuck our timing.

[snoopyloopy]

yeah, you just loosen them bolts and move the gear the desired amount of degrees then retighten them. and i'm sure there's a torque guide somewhere. and yeah, so you better make sure you tighten them right.
and guaynabo, you might stand for a little bit more of improvement in your set-up (or if nothing else, smooth your idle out) if you upgrade your ground wires.

[HostileJava]

My aem gear on the van calls for 15ft-lbs and red loctite and that's a 5 bolt design.

[AccordEpicenter]

my crappy tune and 13psi intercooled boost was worth 270 ish crank hp/ 240 ish whp, at least thats what every calculator says based on the cars weight and trap speed etc, on street tires. Im going for well over that when the new motor is in (hopefully soon)

[A18A]

well now at this very moment, i think i have aproximetly 0 - 10 if im lucky. untill at about 5000rpm its all good

[89T]

my crappy tune and 13psi intercooled boost was worth 270 ish crank hp/ 240 ish whp, at least thats what every calculator says based on the cars weight and trap speed etc, on street tires. Im going for well over that when the new motor is in (hopefully soon)

i was about here before more mods...
now tunning and working out bugs for hopefully 400+
i made a run witch would equate to 250ish at 8#'s
and 260 - 270ish at 12#'s at altitude.
if everything was right i am sure of 280ish
t/3 garrett, a20 on stock injectors,built bottom end, btm and afc hack.

ahh! who really cares their not dyno numbers.
i'll post again when i have the real deal.

[AccordEpicenter]

yeah that was just a conservative estimate with a very very conservative tune on a completely stock 135k mile engine.

[86hondadx]

120hp est. stock engine stock carb. custom exhaust, and new distributer and rotor new wires new plugs.

[mkymonkey]

if youre engine is carbed youre probably makeing 90hp not 120

[shepherd79]

120hp est. stock engine stock carb. custom exhaust, and new distributer and rotor new wires new plugs.
lol you have to be kidding right? my efi doesn't make 120hp stock. lol

[mkymonkey]

lol i know...cheeseburger made 108 on the dyno and thats with a cai, dcs headers, custom cat back, wires, plugs, everything........and its an FI car of course

[86hondadx]

higher comp ratio 11.6/1 as well as a straight pipe exhaust and redisigned intake man. also a higher output coil. say what you wish but i did say estemated! not for sure.

[HostileJava]

higher comp ratio 11.6/1 as well as a straight pipe exhaust and redisigned intake man. also a higher output coil. call me what you wish but i know what i put down anyway.

The coil really doesn't do much until you start putting down real #'s, the stock system is more then up to the job.

[smufguy]

i would like to see the pics of that custon intake in that engine bay of yours :)

[86hondadx]

that is true but i put it on in prep for a custom turbo carb. setup dont laugh i dont know of anyone who has done it to a 3gee and i would like to. ps. ill try to get some pics and i just got a second stock carb and my friend would like to make another intake so ill see what happens

[gfrg88]

that is true but i put it on in prep for a custom turbo carb. setup dont laugh i dont know of anyone who has done it to a 3gee and i would like to. ps. ill try to get some pics and i just got a second stock carb and my friend would like to make another intake so ill see what happens

post pics so you can shut us all up :)

[86hondadx]

hey just remember you can do whatever you want if you put your mind and life into it so dont dismis anything. everyone has a chance to blog so dont rip on people to hard. Karma.

ill get pcs just got to barow a camera be patient

[HostileJava]

Please don't double post, and we've had/have a few turbo members.

[LiTtLe xOx BitT]

Not to be ignorant but if you think that your car has 120hp im not sure you will know enough to do a custom turbo setup.

[86hondadx]

that was rude. im talking crank hp not to the wheels that is always less at the wheels it has 105.9 hp at 5652 RPM, dyno est. crank hp is 121.7 hp at 5497 RPM factoring in a 13-13% drop in hp through the transmision and driveline as well as road friction and weight being pulled by the tires as well as rotating mas and many more items that I dont feal like listing.

PS. do you think you could do a custom carb. turbo setup and have it as a daily driver? thats my goal so dont be an rude I do know what i am talking about. also i am going to uti in arizona to become a automotive technician and learn some more custom fabrication.

so whos ignorant now?

[LiTtLe xOx BitT]

You never said crank horse power, so its assumed you were talking wheel hp. I wouldnt even say 106hp at the wheels because like monkey said the one member had a CAI, headers, exhaust, plugs and wires, and im not sure what else and only had 108. Like i said im not trying to be ignorant. And yes if i wanted to do a turbo i could, i want to see how much hp i can put out NA and build up other parts of the car before i do a turbo setup. I did one of the estimator things too and it said i have 133 at the wheels and 157 and the crank but i dont know how accurate it is.

[smufguy]

Not to bust anyone's balls here but here is the thing

1. Use right spelling so that we can understand what the heck you are talking about

2. Use proper punctuation so we dont have to read your sentence twice and then assume what it means

3. Show us some proof and make a believer out of us. Dyno numbers, track times, video, pictures of the set up, etc are acceptable methods of proof.


I just went numb after reading some posts cause i could not make out what the heck the user was trying to express. :huh:

[2ndGenGuy]

I just dynoed my car last night:

http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?p=662859

66HP & 85LbFt at the wheels. Wierd power curves though.

If I dyno 120hp with the A20, that will be almost double! Should haul ass then.

[rjudgey]

Which engine do you have? ET1 or ES3? If you have an ET1 thats better than a A20 all you have to do is re-bore the ET1 block to same specs as A20A3/4 use those pistons, then have your inlet manifold converted to a Weber DGV 38/38, some basic headwork maybe upsize the valves, re-ground camshaft 275-285 degrees with 10-11mm lift and you'll be rocking and rolling, or you could have a custom inlet manifold made for head and have pair of Weber DCOE's instead then you'll be looking at a easy 200bhp with exhaust, header on top of the above. The inlet ports on ET1 are by far the best for carbs or ITB's as they have nice sized inlet ports that are round and much smaller diameter which can be ground into a much better shape.

I had a ET1 engine with same specs above with twin DCOE's and with only a 275 degree camshaft revved to 7.5k rpm and topped nearly 200bhp at the flywheel, with a better header and some better valves and a camshaft with 285 degrees duration i'm sure it would have hit 220-230bhp. Did 30k race/hard miles before the secondhand rods and bolts decided to part company with the crank but the head survived untouched by some miracle so at least i can still re-use that at some point later best engine i've built so far easy even better than the A18 with the 33mm inlet valves.

[86hondadx]

please forgive me for what i said, it was rude and uncalled for, i never did say crank hp sorry my fault. it was a long day at school and thats not an excuse but sorry again.