frantik's suspension progress thread

[frantik]

So i *finally* ordered the last component to complete my drop setup.. Tokico rears should be here in a week or two :rockon:

I'm going to be using one of the last known pairs of unused Koni reds up front, matched with Tokico blues in the back, and lowered on Eibach Sportline springs. I hope to get everything installed by mid september, though my normal mechanic doesn't install customer parts so i need to figure out something else.

Once I do get the new shocks and springs installed, my next priority will be installing the complete set of Justin's bars which have already been ordered as well. I'll probably do the upper tower bars almost as soon as I get them, though the lower ones look like they might require a garage to install properly so they might have to wait a tiny bit.

Eventually i'd like to add ST sway bars, but they will probably have to wait a few months. I'll also have to see how the car performs with the mods i've already got in the works haha.



Drop price breakdown

Koni Red fronts (new - from 3geez member) - $300
Tokico Blue rears (new - from cardomain.com ) - $115
Eibach Sportlines (new - from ebay) - $75
---------
Total: $490 - not too bad for all new parts including a pair of konis :D


pic of konis (when i was gonna sell them on ebay)
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3453/koni3sk9.th.jpg (http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=koni3sk9.jpg)

and sportlines
http://img424.imageshack.us/img424/5885/springs3ac8.th.jpg (http://img424.imageshack.us/my.php?image=springs3ac8.jpg)

i'll update this thread with developments as they occur :)

[ghettogeddy]

springs and struts are not hard they take about 15-20 mins a corner

[Cheeseburger]

sweet deal man!!! 300 wow!!!

[frantik]

lol.. at the time (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44022&highlight=koni) everybody was complaining to the seller the price was too high (course im sure that always happens). actually looking at that thread i see it was almost exactly a year ago when i got them

[MessyHonda]

yeah looks good....your set up is going to be a bit better....my uncle has a compressor so its going to be easy to take out the front sturts and the rear....i have SE-i breaks also...lol but my car has 138k... im also thinking about the say bar but im not sure if its worth it

[frantik]

yeah sway bars are epensive.. i'm not sure if it's worth it either.., i have to see how it drives after I get all the stuff i've already bought installed :D

I'd like to get rear discs but finding them locally ready to be installed isn't so easy, and shipping would be a killer if there was a set someplace else

[Hash_man_Se_i]

I'm going to be using the last known pair of unused Koni reds up front,

Mine are still unused :P .... Should be goin on soon though,

Nice setup though, should look and handle much better, good luck.

[mkymonkey]

:( i want koni's....abe beat me to the ones ryan had for sale.....bastard oh well

[86AccordLxi]

Sway bars are def. worth it. Just pick up a vigor rear bar (which is bigger than the ST bar, I'm pretty sure), and you'll be doing great. Car should be more neutral and, subsequently, turn better.

Alex

[Feuerstoss]

+1. I ended up throwing a stock LXi bar on my LX, and wow. Major major difference. I will eventually be going a full swaybar setup, however.

[halxi]

springs and struts are not hard they take about 15-20 mins a corner

that depends on several things... rusted/siezed bolts, ball joints popping loose, de-compressing and re-compressing the spring/strut assembly.

It took me and a bud 2 hours to do the front on mine, but it had civic struts in it that were too long and we ended up having to remove the upper control arm and stuff to get it out, plus we werent out to hurry, we had all night to get it done. The next morning we started on the rear... what a nightmare, that lower strut fork bushing was ripped, on both sides.... ended up having to sawzall it out, a little bit at a time... so overall it took 2 hours to do the front, and 3.5 days to do the rear... it sucked.

[ghettogeddy]

well i do know what u mean the first time i did it it took use about 2 ours due to a rusted bolt, but when i went and did the front tokicos i had them in and out 15 min each side but i had a siezed bolt in the rear and i still havent gotton around to finshing the job

[frantik]

Sway bars are def. worth it. Just pick up a vigor rear bar (which is bigger than the ST bar, I'm pretty sure), and you'll be doing great. Car should be more neutral and, subsequently, turn better.

Alex
well i'm gonna get them eventually.. i just mean i don't know if their price reflects their value. but sometimes when it comes to your 3gee price is just a number :D (despite what your wallet might say sometimes :uh:)

[keruhas184]

Yep, those Konis were the last pair I got from a store in France. Sold them because after taking the look at the rust on my old 3G, it just wasn't worth it. Good thing, because it got rear ended and totaled this past spring. Let us know how you like the setup when you get it done, and take some pics.

[frantik]

hey keruhas :D yeah finally gonna be using those konis you sold me. will defintely be taking pix and commenting how they ride :)

[frantik]

w00t tokicos are scheduled to arrive tomorrow.. i was expecting them to take like two weeks instead of one.. maybe i can get this bitch dropped near the 1st of the month then :D

[2drSE-i]

dude......you live in SAN JOSE CALIFORNIA. how the fuck is it hard to find a 3geez owner to help you there are 900 in you neighborhood......honestly man.


haha just giving you a hard time


oh and what year vigor rear bar? this may be an interesting swap, ive never heard of that one.

[frantik]

there are 900 in you neighborhood......honestly man.

lol it's true i went for a walk last night and saw three including an sei

and what's this about a vigor bar? im not doing anything with a vigor... :dunno:

[2drSE-i]

Sway bars are def. worth it. Just pick up a vigor rear bar (which is bigger than the ST bar, I'm pretty sure), and you'll be doing great. Car should be more neutral and, subsequently, turn better.

Alex


alex more info please :)

[MessyHonda]

alex more info please :)

a lil SEARCH didnt hurt no body....here is your link http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50090&highlight=vigor+sway+bar
according to post #6 they are not bigger than the ST bar.

[frantik]

Got my set of justin's bars today :rockon:

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6411/sbarsuo5.th.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sbarsuo5.jpg)

Will be painting them in the next few days and will slap on the front strut bar soon after the paint is dry :D


been kinda lagging on doing the shocks/springs.. still hoping to get it down by the end of the month though :)

[Pico]

Dude if you need a place to work on it you can bring it to my place in Vallejo we can get geddy and messy to come over and anyone else who wants to show up and get the car done in a day, I've got the tools, compressor, and the room to work with.:D

[frantik]

that would be awesome! :bow: have a meet and get my shit dropped.. sounds like a plan to me hehe

i'll PM u bout it :D

[MessyHonda]

Dude if you need a place to work on it you can bring it to my place in Vallejo we can get geddy and messy to come over and anyone else who wants to show up and get the car done in a day, I've got the tools, compressor, and the room to work with.:D

Roger you are the man....BUT i just drove like 90 miles to get my Dx i was planing on going this weekend(sun) to get my dashed painted.

[Pico]

Roger you are the man....BUT i just drove like 90 miles to get my Dx i was planing on going this weekend(sun) to get my dashed painted.
:huh: Dude it took us two days to get that dash done, are you taking it out and bringing it up

[MessyHonda]

:huh: Dude it took us two days to get that dash done, are you taking it out and bringing it up

i thought you were a pro at it?...:violin: i can take it out but im not going to be sure how to put it back together.

[Pico]

i thought you were a pro at it?...:violin: i can take it out but im not going to be sure how to put it back together.
I dont think youre gonna wanna watch me tear out your dash, It's kind of like watching a major surgery upclose (not recommended for the weak hearted) lol

[87accordhea!]

where can i get some.....''justin's bars'' for my car?
and how much are they?
let meh kmoe.

[frantik]

Check this thread: http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53680

I paid $210 for the full set of bars. if you buy them separately, the upper strut bars are 80 each and the lower bars are 110 for the set.

he only made 10 full sets and last i checked at least 1/2 were gone so if you're interested act quickly :)

[Pico]

Frantik wanna get the suspension done next weekend the 23rd......:D
lets see who can make it to help out. I can work on cars but I'm not that fast so the more help we have the faster it get's done....

[ghettogeddy]

well if someone picks me up ill help for sure it will also give me the time to satrt puliing the fi swap, also i have a spring crompressor but we will need air tools to make the job faster if no one has one i might be able to talk my dad into using his

[ghettogeddy]

also i can do the shock and struts very fast prolly like 20min a side as long as theres no stuck or messed up bolts

[Pico]

I got everything we need here :D

[MessyHonda]

where is monkey so he can drive my car....lol

[ghettogeddy]

well then that settles that but i still have to get out there lol i hate i mean hate not having my car maybe ill have my girl drive the 89 out there then we could have a mini photo shoot

[frantik]

yeah next weekend works for me :D mini meet at rodgers :rockon:

[frantik]

painting :)
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6978/barspaintedvx0.th.jpg (http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=barspaintedvx0.jpg)

all done :D
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9315/barspainted2jh0.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=barspainted2jh0.jpg)
http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/6661/barspainted3jm4.th.jpg (http://img235.imageshack.us/my.php?image=barspainted3jm4.jpg)

used rustoleum high heat "bar-b-q black".. nothing exciting or anything, but they still look nice imo :)

i'll be slapping the front tower bar on tomorrow hopefully :D

[ghettogeddy]

i would wait to put it on so we dont have to mees with it when were doing the shocks i can just put it on when the time comes i know u can wait a week

[frantik]

^ good point

:crying::crying::crying: @ waiting a week

[ghettogeddy]

i mean if u really must go ahead but it is just 6 nuts im just thinking why waste the time now

[frantik]

yeah i'm just itching to install some damn parts :D

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8482/suspensiopicon2.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=suspensiopicon2.jpg)

[ghettogeddy]

the only thing there im new to are the lower bars everythign else i know

[Pico]

yeah i'm just itching to install some damn parts :D
]
7 days and counting :D

[2drSE-i]

i fucking would be too if i had koni reds....asshole.


haha only joking, ive got tokico springs sitting in my room, im about to fork over the change for some strut bars....and i have no time to install either lmao.

[mkymonkey]

just a heads up, both cheese and i had a few problems installing the front bar. we had to lift our cars up in the air to get the bolts to move over a bit to bolt it on we slid it on in the air then dropped the car for the bolts to go all the way though then bolted it down. its a tight fit! but thats a good thing :D

[MessyHonda]

^^^dc should fit like a glove^^^

[Pico]

Bump:D
So are we doing this suspension this weekend.......:thumbup:

[ghettogeddy]

i did say that i was gona be there no matter what right rodger

[Pico]

Yeah but I still havent heard from Frantik :bong:

[ghettogeddy]

the smiley is correct that prolly why we havent heard from him lol but i know hes really really wanting to do this so

[frantik]

:bong: huh? what? :bong:

lol.. yeah lets do this thing! geddy what time were u thinking of going over there? i'm shooting for early afternoon

[ghettogeddy]

ill be there around 12 kids got a soccer game so i have to wait for my ride lol

[frantik]

cool im gonna try to get out of here round noon.. hopefully it wont take too long to get up there

[ghettogeddy]

its fine im pritty much gona be there for a secound set of eyes to make sure nothing bad happens and to help ill be striping the parts car on my time lol

[Pico]

Frantik & Geddy and anyone else coming just come North on 680 to 780 go across the Benicia Bridge towards Vallejo,
exit on Columbus Parkway (you'll see a Burger king and a Shell gas station)
Here's where it gets tricky, After the light, go to the 2nd street opening thats going to be Greenmont (if you come to another traffic light go back your too far ahead) turn left and stay on Greenmont till you get to the stop sign go 3 more blocks and turn left on Dan Ct. If you get to another stop sign you went 1 block to far.
Are you confused?I know I am :D Everyone who comes to my house for the first time always misses the turn and gets lost So dont forget my number (707) 373-3949 :D

[ghettogeddy]

Frantik & Geddy and anyone else coming just come North on 680 to 780 go across the Benicia Bridge towards Vallejo,
exit on Columbus Parkway (you'll see a Burger king and a Shell gas station)
Here's where it gets tricky, After the light, go to the 2nd street opening thats going to be Greenmont (if you come to another traffic light go back your too far ahead) turn left and stay on Greenmont till you get to the stop sign go 3 more blocks and turn left on Dan Ct. If you get to another stop sign you went 1 block to far.
Are you confused?I know I am :D Everyone who comes to my house for the first time always misses the turn and gets lost So dont forget my number (707) 373-3949 :D
rodger how are u talking to again i had mapquest directions to the meet and still got lost lol

[Pico]

rodger how are u talking to again i had mapquest directions to the meet and still got lost lol
Oh Yeah I Forgot:uh:

[ghettogeddy]

and the bad part is im good with directions just not in frisco lol i should be just fine getting to your place

[ghettogeddy]

im on my way

[mkymonkey]

update????

[Pico]

update????
just starting ....
Answer your phone fool :D

[frantik]

just managed to figure out the damn konis lol.. we couldnt figure out how to get the bump stop on right but hopefully we did it right now.. slapping the fronts on still need to do the rears

[MessyHonda]

just managed to figure out the damn konis lol.. we couldnt figure out how to get the bump stop on right but hopefully we did it right now.. slapping the fronts on still need to do the rears

hey got any pics?....since we are not going to LA any more i might go out and check out the parts car that Roger has.

[ghettogeddy]

everything got done but as u will see in some of the pics frantik took rodger and i were under the car most the time and were un able to take pics so frantik has them all im sure he will post them tomarrow as for the parts car its apart lol

[frantik]

:rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

on the operating room table
http://swiftlytilting.com/images/lxi/drop/P1010004.jpg


konis mid installation
http://swiftlytilting.com/images/lxi/drop/P1010001.jpg

http://swiftlytilting.com/images/lxi/drop/P1010006.jpg

don't see this view of my car too often lol
http://swiftlytilting.com/images/lxi/drop/P1010010.jpg

tokico's
http://swiftlytilting.com/images/lxi/drop/P1010013.jpg

http://swiftlytilting.com/images/lxi/drop/P1010014.jpg

[frantik]

front strut tower bar!
http://swiftlytilting.com/images/lxi/drop/P1010008.jpg

seems like most people with tower bars don't put the cover back on.. geddy managed to get them with a lil brute force action
http://swiftlytilting.com/images/lxi/drop/P1010009.jpg

rear tower bar
http://swiftlytilting.com/images/lxi/drop/P1010016.jpg

clears the trunk lining so no cuts needed :D it was a bitch tightening the 2nd side of the bar down though, the nut was practically flush against the bar so a socket wouldn't go over it.. it worked out ok after loosening both of the bolts on the last side and then usng a rubber mallet to coax the socket onto the nut
http://swiftlytilting.com/images/lxi/drop/P1010017.jpg


all done!
http://swiftlytilting.com/images/lxi/drop/P1010018.jpg

few more quick pix.. will take more/better ones soon :D
http://swiftlytilting.com/images/lxi/drop/P1010020.jpg

http://swiftlytilting.com/images/lxi/drop/P1010021.jpg



I forgot to add: a huge thanks to Roger (pico) for suppling the garage, tools, and plenty of elbow grease :D Also big thanks to Geddy (who did a crapload of the work), cndyapple88lxi, and pico's buddy George who all helped out quite a bit.

It's hard to tell what's from the shocks and whats from the tower bar, but overall there have been HUGE improvements.. it's hard to describe the but ride feels much more solid and planted. Also it's a lot smoother.. bumps before would be jarring, now they're not nearly so bad, and there is very little oscillation afterward.

it's funny i just went to grab something from my car and my new neighbor is all "wanna sell me that car" to which i replied without even thinking "heeell no" lol.. he looked at me kinda funny and i explained i had just got it lowered today :p

[88Accord-DX]

That looks awesome man.
With all the work on the sespension I see in the pics.. Might consider getting an alighment so you don't have pre-mature tire wear. (if not allready done)

[frantik]

^ i'm planning on getting one actually.. i had to replace a tire recently and since then i've been drifting a tiny bit. i would have probably gotten it taken care of already but i decided to wait till i got this done :)

[Pico]

Bump :thumbup:

[mkymonkey]

looks like you guys had a lot of fun....now come over when i install my new setup....:D lol

[Pico]

looks like you guys had a lot of fun....now come over when i install my new setup....:D lol
what time will you be here....:D

[mkymonkey]

just starting ....
Answer your phone fool :D


uh http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?p=669285#post669285

[mkymonkey]

what time will you be here....:D


lol...youre going to drive 600 miles to come help me? wow youre a true friend :D and im kinda kiddint i dont even have the shocks i want yet....they're kinda expensive :(

[cndyapple88lxi]

those justin bars are pretty good quality piece. For the rears it took a little finess but fit perfecty. sorry i coudn't stay to see to finish piece, but overall ur car looks wicked. Nice meeting u guys picopop, frantik, ghettogeddy

[frantik]

so i was thinking.. and i'm pretty sure we put the bumpstops on upside down lol.. cause the installation pic had those dust covers tapering as they went up, which would mean the bump stops would have to taper as well.. but we put the tapered side down :uh: plus that would allow that little raised part on the stock to rest inside the recessed part of the bumpstop

[ghettogeddy]

we dident put them back ewords the bumb stops were carved out till the top park that we had to pull over i still think we should have cut them

[frantik]

nah they're definitely on upside down lol.. and maybe they should be cut too

edit: i found this advice re: cutting the stops/:

And I would resist the tempation to trim allot of the Koni bumpstops, absolutely don't trim them down more than half. I'd do 3/4 if it were my car.

http://www.3geez.com/forum/showpost.php?p=81565&postcount=3

lol u guys wanna help me with them again? :uh:

(http://www.3geez.com/forum/showpost.php?p=81565&postcount=3)

[frantik]

yeah here's a pic of some that had been installed.. they've been cut and the tapered end goes to the top

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9044/471qd2.jpg

[Pico]

nah they're definitely on upside down lol.. and maybe they should be cut too

edit: i found this advice re: cutting the stops/:


lol u guys wanna help me with them again? :uh:

(http://www.3geez.com/forum/showpost.php?p=81565&postcount=3)
Ummmmm........................................:uh:
































OK :D

[ghettogeddy]

all i can say is i told u so lol j/k let me know if we have to do it im down as long as its on a week end, the only reson i will help is caus eim gona need yuour guys's help doing my car lol

[Pico]

Oh yeah and we better do it soon I might start a new job and I know that I'm going to be losing my weekends.
No more wholesale autoparts job, I'm going to be the guy delivering your mail....:D (if I pass the interview)

[cndyapple88lxi]

lol i had a feeling that we should cut the stops. roger thats cool, you'll be working with my uncle. he lives like 5 minutes away from u.

[Pico]

Cool :D Maybe I'll meet him there if I get the job
(sorry Frantik didnt mean to hijack your thread)

[frantik]

all i can say is i told u so lol yeah yeah.. where were u when we were putting em on upside down? :lol: jk ;)



I'm down for next saturday if that works for you guys.. or whenever.. i dont have any thing going on so just let me know

[frantik]

I'm going to be the guy delivering your mail....:D (if I pass the interview)
http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/2726/picopopmailei7.jpg

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Pico]

http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/2726/picopopmailei7.jpg
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:thumbup: :cheers:

[Tomisimo]

yeah i'm just itching to install some damn parts :D

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/8482/suspensiopicon2.th.jpg (http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=suspensiopicon2.jpg)

Whwere did you get all this parts?
I'l been serchinc for a long time now for this...

[gfrg88]

Whwere did you get all this parts?
I'l been serchinc for a long time now for this...


i guess you need to search a little harder......

[frantik]

Whwere did you get all this parts?
I'l been serchinc for a long time now for this...
I think I mentioned it in the beginning of the thread but:

Front Konis: Bought from 3geez member keruhas184 (http://www.3geez.com/forum/member.php?u=2202) - these shocks are no longer manufactured so it's nearly impossible to get a new set - $300 shipped

Rear Tokico: ordered from Cardomain.com - $115 shipped

Eibach sportline lowering springs - purchased from ebay - $75 shipped

Strutbars and Tiebars - bought from 3geez member Justin86 - See this thread (http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53680) - $210 shipped for all bars

[MessyHonda]

^^^frantik you sure it was 110 shipped for the justin bars?

[frantik]

i mean $210

[mkymonkey]

ok guys....i just TRIED to fucking install the front x brace.....and goddamn that was hard! one of my stupid bolts wouldnt come out, then my fucking impact wrench got stuck on it and i couldnt get it off. i was doing all of this in the garage at work right in the fucking middle of the door way and i had a guy coming by in an hour to pick up a car....uh...problem lol. so i was running out of time and i couldnt get the damn wrench off and i hadnt even taken one bolt off! fucking shit lol. so i kinda gave up after 45 mins of trying to get the damn thing off...had a cig and got under the car. the after the break i just pulled and the damn wrench fell off. great! out of fucking time.

anyway on to more important things....the splash guard does NOT have to come off....BUT i had to cut off a lil piece to get the front braces to fit. you CAN take it off...but its too much work in my opinon...i just took a box opener and took a piece off to allow the damn brace to clear it. easy. the rest should go on great. oh and i think the driverside drive shaft MIGHT hit the brace that the bolt goes onto...why? well once you get under your car with the wheels hanging you will see. i kinda cant explain it and dont have my camera SO youre fucked lol.

all in all, this should be fun...especially with my damn car's bolts almost seized in their holes. i leteraly had to take a hammer to my wrench to get it off....even my impact wrench wouldnt budge them....i dunno why! and the damn thing is a SNAP-ON!!!! lol

well ill get pics once i get a chance...i havent driven it yet either so ill let you know what it feels like when i do :D

[frantik]

damn sounds like a battle! whats the clearance like underneath the car now?

[mkymonkey]

well im only dropped 1" so its ok...its nothing to be too afraid of. the only problem is when i come into work there is this fucking dip that totaly blows...its almost like this \___/...im not kidding either. :( thats the only part that sucks, i drove it around the building and it seems to be tighter than usual, but it might just be me :)

[frantik]

^ I'm worried I won't be able to take my car to the carwash anymore lol they say they won't take cars with clearance less than 5.5".

took the car for a little spin last night and i took this one freeway transfer bridge at like 70mph the whole way and normally 50 is the fastest i want to go cause the car would start to wobble and shit. Now the only thing i have to deal with is the centrifical force pulling me out of my seat.. the car itself stays hella flat. The suspension on the car is so much tighter than before it's awesome. before I felt like the car was overpowering the suspension, but now i definitely need more minor HP adding mods like CAI and exhaust

[mkymonkey]

lol...just wash your car at home damn it. or take it to those places where you can just wash your car with the presure washer.

[frantik]

yeah yeah.. i cant wash it at home and those pressure wash places kinda suck lol.. but stil it is a lame excuse not to install it hehe

[cndyapple88lxi]

if u take it to a detail shop,there able to wash ur car by hand.

[frantik]

bizzidy bumping this thread.. it took a little bit longer than I was hoping but I've got some sway bars on the way :rockon:

just placed an order with summit racing for an ST front swaybar $130 shipped. They're out of stock but should be back in by next month according to their site.

I also ordered a Vigor rear sway bar off of Estimated Prophet for $60 shipped :D I looked into it an apparently the Vigor rear swaybars are 16mm.. here's a pic of it measured with a digital caliper (http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showpost.php?p=496051&postcount=16). ST rear swaybars are 5/8", which is 15.8mm... which is close enough to 16mm to say they're basically the same size. You do get poly bushings with the ST though..

something interesting ive though about though.. it seems like an even better upgrade for a rear bar besides vigor or ST for 3geez would be an ST or other bar for a 4th gen, since apparently 4th gen bars fit our cars as well. Maybe if the vigor bar isn't good enough I'll try that. :dunno:


i've also got a set of prelude adjustable front control arms which i'll eventually install. I'm actually thinking of rebuilding the whole front suspension, replacing all of the bushings and ball joints and whatnot.

[lostforawhile]

bizzidy bumping this thread.. it took a little bit longer than I was hoping but I've got some sway bars on the way :rockon:

just placed an order with summit racing for an ST front swaybar $130 shipped. They're out of stock but should be back in by next month according to their site.

I also ordered a Vigor rear sway bar off of Estimated Prophet for $60 shipped :D I looked into it an apparently the Vigor rear swaybars are 16mm.. here's a pic of it measured with a digital caliper (http://www.cb7tuner.com/vbb/showpost.php?p=496051&postcount=16). ST rear swaybars are 5/8", which is 15.8mm... which is close enough to 16mm to say they're basically the same size. You do get poly bushings with the ST though..

something interesting ive though about though.. it seems like an even better upgrade for a rear bar besides vigor or ST for 3geez would be an ST or other bar for a 4th gen, since apparently 4th gen bars fit our cars as well. Maybe if the vigor bar isn't good enough I'll try that. :dunno:


i've also got a set of prelude adjustable front control arms which i'll eventually install. I'm actually thinking of rebuilding the whole front suspension, replacing all of the bushings and ball joints and whatnot.good luck and have fun,just got mine finished,the steering rack was the last part,even though the new steering rack leaks like a sob,i'll finish it later. i went to the extreme,media blasting and paining all the stripped parts. i replaced every part on the front, put new upper arms on the back,as well as installed that sway bar. best suggestion,go to a yard,get someone to sell you an entire front end for cheap, then rebuild it piece by piece off the car. when you are done,swap everything and get your alignment fixed. it's much eaisier then swapping part after part. it's quite a job,getting stuff like the wheel bearings out and the control arm bushings is a pain in the ass. try to go with moog as much as possible, and replace the wheel studs with Arp. good time to overhaul your brakes too. i replaced everything including calipers,discs,and new hoses. there are pictures on my site i believe of the suspension work,or at least some of it.

[MessyHonda]

when i got to hang out with mike he said some one had a 4th gen one and just had to adjust the endliks on it.....he said it was in the bay area and had a hatch with a B20

[frantik]

yeah... well i might try that if the vigor bar is too wimpy lol. I kinda wish i had found it out before i ordered the vigor bar but sall good

[MessyHonda]

yeah... well i might try that if the vigor bar is too wimpy lol. I kinda wish i had found it out before i ordered the vigor bar but sall good



for 60 bucks its not bad at all tho. we would have to compare them to mikes....he has st bars

[frantik]

yeah 60 bux isn't bad but i could afford the 4g bar right now.. oh well im not trippin on it too much since Vigor is OEM Honda baby w00t lol

[frantik]

w00t rear vigor sway bar and front ST sway bar installed.. i can take pretty much any curve on main freeways at 90+ lol and even off ramps and whatnot are a breeze. before my car was stiff but i had some body roll especially when banking hard but now it's like i'm on rails. course now i feel the road even better lol. if i had bigger rims my teeth might rattle out of my head

http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2918/p1010023ab0.jpg
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/645/p1010027te5.jpg

now i need to install my front prelude arms to adjust my camber cause my front wheels are wearing unevenly.. but i need to get ball joints for it first. i also have a 4th gen rear lower tie bar which some day will get installed

and just a lil refresher:

Front:
Koni red shocks
Sportline springs
Justin's strut tower bar
ST sway bar

Rear:
Tokico blue shocks
Sportline springs
Justin's strut tower bar
Acura Vigor sway bar

:)

[knarg]

looking awesome frantik, i want that front ST bar!

[Pico]

We should of cleaned the bar before you took the pic.
time for you to do some autocross driving..

[frantik]

u guys said the dirt was 'dericing' the neon bar :kekeke:

[84Accord]

:rofl::lol:

[MessyHonda]

i love my st bar too...time for the pico shop to help me do the rear one

[nswst8]

Question guys>

What year Vigor sway bar fits the 3rd gen accord?

[nswst8]

I think I just found my own answer.

92-94 Acura Vigor

[frantik]

only one generation of vigors in the US ;)

when you install it you have to put the bushings which attach to the body as close to the inside curve as possible.. the vigor attachments to the body are slightly farther apart but it fits perfectly at the wheel.. we didnt remove the 3gee end links because they were the same :)