View Full Version : Should I buy this? (you guys are going to kill me)
carotman
10-25-2006, 02:13 AM
Well, I have the opportunity to buy this engine part:
http://carotman.no-ip.com:8888/personal_site/my_accord/2006/mugen_cover/mugen_cover.jpg
This is the actual MUGEN MF204 race engine valve cover. This engine is the race version of the B20A.
If you compare it to my stock B20A cover, you can see that the holes pretty much all line up.
http://carotman.no-ip.com:8888/personal_site/my_accord/2006/b20a_cover/b20a_cover_1.jpg
The only difference is the far right hole that sits higher than the other ones. I guess this could be solved by using a higher stud on that section.
Here's what bugs me out:
There is NO place to add oil on this cover. It could be added by the vent hole (which isn't in the same place as the stock one) but it would still be a pain to do so. I could use a really small funnel and add it through the dipstick too. Remember that this is a race car valve cover, they use a dry sump system so oil is added elsewhere on these badboys
Of course, the paint on it isn't that great, this can be taken care of. easily.
Considering it would cost around 100 bucks to get it, should I still buy it?
it looks kinda weird imho, but since its a rare part, get it :D as for oil, just take off the valve cover whenever you need to add some, its not as if its a thingy that needs to be done everytime you fill up on gas ;)
it also doesnt look like it has a timing belt cover thingy either
would you happen to have info or a link about this MF204? :)
Civic Accord Honda
10-25-2006, 02:27 AM
that whould be soo hot
mkymonkey
10-25-2006, 02:46 AM
do it dude, just buy a funnel that will fit the dipstick hole and youre set. the only problem with that is that it takes long as fucking time to feed it oil
but that valve cover would look soooo fucking killer painted just like the one you have now with grinded off lettering. by that i mean polished :thumbup:
carotman
10-25-2006, 02:51 AM
I will probably to repaint it to match this style:
http://www.crxchaos.co.uk/mugen-valve-cover.html
Maybe not as "beige". We'll see anyway.
Civic Accord Honda
10-25-2006, 02:55 AM
this would look hot it took me 1hr in photoshop so you beter like it
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7999/mugencovercopykf0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
OMG a hour? maybe you should photoshop heaps :P
but imho i think it would look better un-pinated :) maybe fix the little bubbles etc.. but not painted
nswst8
10-25-2006, 03:44 AM
I would buy it and have a oil filler hole machined in. That would resolve the pain in the ass oil changes.
3ghondaerodeck
10-25-2006, 05:31 AM
omg, I'm so boring, I'd do it like civicaccordhonda did it, only in flat black
Legend_master
10-25-2006, 05:58 AM
That little port is for oil to be blow out of the head (its do to crank case pressure, also know as blowback), not for oil to go into the head. You could drill holes and run then to a catch can as all the turbo guys do.
Here is a pic. they actually tapped them int he front of the valve cover on this shot. You can do it on the back.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid216/p851deccfc1e02918ba9348dcfaba296e/ecaa6386.jpg
MessyHonda
10-25-2006, 08:34 AM
if you get it you should repaint it.
Vanilla Sky
10-25-2006, 08:37 AM
honestly, man, if you don't i think we'd be pissed. buy it and take the car into a mechanic for an oil change. i'd love to see what they'd do about that.
Cheeseburger
10-25-2006, 08:39 AM
buy it!!!
Legend_master
10-25-2006, 08:40 AM
Ok I am an idiot, I thought you were talking about the PCV hole. You ment the whole to poor the oil in. To much school going on :violin: . Im an idiot.
Jasonf860
10-25-2006, 08:44 AM
Buy that thing! It's sweet!
mkymonkey
10-25-2006, 08:47 AM
so uh...have you decided to buy it yet?
88LXi68
10-25-2006, 08:52 AM
I would definitely buy it and worry about the rest later
MessyHonda
10-25-2006, 09:17 AM
I would definitely buy it and worry about the rest later
lol good advice:thumbup:
jonrichert
10-25-2006, 11:43 AM
For $100 it would be worth it even to buy it and hang it on your wall carot:thumbup: nice find
guaynabo89
10-25-2006, 11:43 AM
I would definitely buy it and worry about the rest later
agreed!
the rest will fall into place later
BITESIZE
10-25-2006, 11:44 AM
Buy It Carot!
thegreatdane
10-25-2006, 11:51 AM
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You BASTARD!! That is absolutely not fair. Where did you find that?
I found one for sale in the UK some time ago and i was extatic, but the seller never replied back to me :crying:
If you dont want I absolutely will!! I'd pay $2-300 for that one.
carotman
10-25-2006, 11:52 AM
I'll buy it and worry about the rest later. I'll have a spare B20A to test fit the cover on it.
I think the paint is so ugly, it will have to be repainted for sure. An oil filler hole could be machined on it but it might cost more than the cover itself haha. Maybe I could get the oil hole from a D15 engine and have it welded on the Mugen cover. It wouldn't be original anymore and would lose a bit of it's value.
If I ever take the car to a mechanic, I hope they don't do me a favor and try to change the oil. I'm sure the mechanic would drain the oil and then realise there's no way he can add new oil haha.
MessyHonda
10-25-2006, 12:01 PM
I'll buy it and worry about the rest later. I'll have a spare B20A to test fit the cover on it.
I think the paint is so ugly, it will have to be repainted for sure. An oil filler hole could be machined on it but it might cost more than the cover itself haha. Maybe I could get the oil hole from a D15 engine and have it welded on the Mugen cover. It wouldn't be original anymore and would lose a bit of it's value.
If I ever take the car to a mechanic, I hope they don't do me a favor and try to change the oil. I'm sure the mechanic would drain the oil and then realise there's no way he can add new oil haha.
add the oil by the crackcase....were the dip stick goes.
frantik
10-25-2006, 12:05 PM
i think it's kinda ugly actually lol.. i like the regular b20a cover
jonrichert
10-25-2006, 12:20 PM
i think it's kinda ugly actually lol.. i like the regular b20a cover
sometimes rare is better than beautiful, i think this is one of those times
Toneloc5145
10-25-2006, 02:18 PM
i think it's kinda ugly actually lol.. i like the regular b20a cover
I'm with you on this one. I like your current one better. If you get the Mugen one, at least paint it.
89l_x_i
10-25-2006, 02:31 PM
Buy it man. You have a once in a lifetime oppurtunity here and even if you dont like it or get tired of it later on youll easily get much more than what you paid for.
bobafett
10-25-2006, 03:15 PM
think of all the beer u could buy instead!!
i dont understand the mindset behind spending $$$$ on parts just cause they are rare. if they look better or perform even a little bit better, i can see, but not just because they are hard to come by.
no offense to anybody that DOES buy stuff for those reasons, to each his own of course. :D
Hash_man_Se_i
10-25-2006, 04:49 PM
I think you'd be absolutely nuts to pass up that deal... BUY IT!!
carotman
10-25-2006, 05:46 PM
Well, I do agree that it's a bit weird looking.
Maybe it's the fact that it's in poor condition visually
Here's what a brand new one should look like.
http://www.enginevoodoo.com/images/b20a-1.jpg
http://www.enginevoodoo.com/images/b20a-2.jpg
If I don't like it, I guess I can always re-sell it. These will fit a B18A/B and the B20B/Z. I'm sure some civic boy wil like it.
Legend_master
10-25-2006, 06:05 PM
Well, I do agree that it's a bit weird looking.
Maybe it's the fact that it's in poor condition visually
Here's what a brand new one should look like.
http://www.enginevoodoo.com/images/b20a-1.jpg
http://www.enginevoodoo.com/images/b20a-2.jpg
If I don't like it, I guess I can always re-sell it. These will fit a B18A/B and the B20B/Z. I'm sure some civic boy wil like it.
Wow that is the most beautifull engine I have ever seen (minus the max legend V8), were did you get those pics?
Hash_man_Se_i
10-25-2006, 06:42 PM
See I dunno, the fact that the valve cover was actually used in a race car is what makes it cool to me. Otherwise i'd personally rather do some cool paintjob on my own valve cover... but the sort of history behind that one, would make me want it.
mkymonkey
10-25-2006, 06:45 PM
holy mother of 3geesus i just jizzed....my boss aint going to be happy because its his desk lol
Cheeseburger
10-25-2006, 06:46 PM
ive seen those before looks hot though
RamThis
10-25-2006, 07:43 PM
Any good machine shop should be able to use your old cover to cut the threaded filler cap section out, and TIG weld it into the Mugen cover, then blend and smooth it and have it powdercoated like new. It would be HOT!!
Eh, I say go for it under ONE condition....
You sell me your motorized fogs.
Done deal. I knew you'd buy in. Thanks man.
I'll have the $1.34 sent to your paypal pronto.
Eh, I say go for it under ONE condition....
You sell me your motorized fogs.
Done deal. I knew you'd buy in. Thanks man.
I'll have the $1.34 sent to your paypal pronto.
:rofl: :bowrofl: :rofl: :bowrofl: :rofl: :bowrofl: :rofl: :bowrofl: :rofl: :bowrofl:
HondaBoy
10-25-2006, 11:50 PM
are you seriously not thinking of getting it? because that would be just crazy. if i got it, i'd get it acid dipped and refinished.
thegreatdane
10-26-2006, 04:05 AM
bump for post #22
And molesting it by making a threaded oil cap hole is a serious crime...
Sabz5150
10-26-2006, 04:34 AM
honestly, man, if you don't i think we'd be pissed. buy it and take the car into a mechanic for an oil change. i'd love to see what they'd do about that.
That would be a trip.
and put a couple cameras in the hood hehehehhee
Sabz5150
10-26-2006, 04:52 AM
and put a couple cameras in the hood hehehehhee
Naah, gotta be there, makes it even better.
I watched a mechanic spend five minutes trying to figure out how to unlock my doors. The shop supervisor and I were trying hard not to fall out laughing.
:rofl: :lol: lol what happend in the end?
Sabz5150
10-26-2006, 05:34 AM
:rofl: :lol: lol what happend in the end?
He took notice of the fob on the keychain.
Guy walked over to the car and went to stick the key into the doorlock, then stopped when he noticed that it wasn't there. I think he just stared blankly at it for a solid minute before looking for other places to stick that key. After that he looked at the key and found the fob, giving it this "Shit, I'm a dumbass!" look.
RamThis
10-26-2006, 07:07 AM
I like to put some Disturbed in the CD player, and crank it way up, and shut the car off. Then hand the key to the state inspector to do my inspection, and watch him get in and the stereo scare the shit out of him, and fumble to turn it down LOL.
Always gives me a chuckle.... :Owned:
MessyHonda
10-26-2006, 08:00 AM
I like to put some Disturbed in the CD player, and crank it way up, and shut the car off. Then hand the key to the state inspector to do my inspection, and watch him get in and the stereo scare the shit out of him, and fumble to turn it down LOL.
Always gives me a chuckle.... :Owned:
lol i got to try that..lol
MessyHonda
10-26-2006, 08:28 AM
ok carotman...back on topic....according to the 3rd gen prelude owners that engine is for them here are some more pics...quick some one save them to your hard drive.
http://mustardcat.brinkster.net/mugen/3.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/ludcifer/Mb20%2011.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/ludcifer/Mb20%2001.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/ludcifer/Mb20%2002.jpg
the engine was a spare for the mugen racing team....it pumped out 200hp it sold for 1,200USD
monkey your boss is not going to be happy when you jiz all over the room...lol
Legend_master
10-26-2006, 09:51 AM
That is such a badass looking motor, but how the hell do you fit it in the engine bay with that manifold on the ITBS :dunno: . It would be hard enough to fit with the ITB's alone.
carotman
10-26-2006, 10:25 AM
The airbox is put backwards on the pictures :p
This is indeed the cover for the B20A MF204. This engine is even featured in the 3rd gen Accord Mugen Catalog.
I remember seeing that particular engine on yahoo auctions in Japan. Too bad I can't understand a work of Japanese. That whing would have been awesome under my hood :p
gosse
10-26-2006, 01:07 PM
yes buy it, i have never seen such item before, as said, hang it on the wall...
BUT DONT DRILL HOLES OR OTHER STUFF IN IT...
i think there is a tupe on the back of the engine, make a pipe in that or make a new pipe going to the sump...
good luck
smufguy
10-26-2006, 01:21 PM
Jean, one word NO
thegreatdane
10-26-2006, 01:32 PM
Let me have it then. I'll buy it. Where did you find it?
gosse
10-26-2006, 01:53 PM
good luck nørby.. hope you get it...
haven't seen it before..
Hash_man_Se_i
10-26-2006, 01:53 PM
With that exhaust and intake manifold... I was under the impression the motor was used in some sort of open wheel race car or something. It would never fit in one of our cars.
Cheeseburger
10-26-2006, 02:05 PM
i would by that in a heart beat if i had a b20
MessyHonda
10-26-2006, 03:32 PM
did you buy it yet?
Civic Accord Honda
10-26-2006, 03:39 PM
Well, I do agree that it's a bit weird looking.
Maybe it's the fact that it's in poor condition visually
Here's what a brand new one should look like.
http://www.enginevoodoo.com/images/b20a-1.jpg
http://www.enginevoodoo.com/images/b20a-2.jpg
If I don't like it, I guess I can always re-sell it. These will fit a B18A/B and the B20B/Z. I'm sure some civic boy wil like it.
is that my X-mas gift yaaaaaaaaaaaaa thank you:welcome:
snoopyloopy
10-26-2006, 03:50 PM
get it. there's no room for error. aka BUY IT NOW!!!
bullard123
10-26-2006, 04:50 PM
Sell me your old one dude
TWOLOUDNPROUD
10-26-2006, 05:23 PM
Dam You But it a sweet find
2ndGenGuy
10-26-2006, 05:27 PM
Can't you just pour the oil in those 4 holes in the top? What else would they be for? :rofl:
MessyHonda
10-26-2006, 06:42 PM
Can't you just pour the oil in those 4 holes in the top? What else would they be for? :rofl:
sparkplugs...lol
Cheeseburger
10-26-2006, 06:51 PM
dude dont tell me ur still tinking of buying this...
mkymonkey
10-26-2006, 06:53 PM
i think that was sarcasm dude
MessyHonda
10-26-2006, 07:09 PM
like people are saying buy it and worry about the oil prob later.....just run syntetic so it lasts like 15000 miles....lol
Tomisimo
10-29-2006, 08:48 AM
Started maintaining MF204 engine for MUGEN F3000 racing car.
Finished all Japan F3 championship series in 3rd place. Attended Macau GPF3 as a maker supported racing team.
Tomisimo
10-29-2006, 08:48 AM
Started maintaining MF204 engine for MUGEN F3000 racing car.
Finished all Japan F3 championship series in 3rd place. Attended Macau GPF3 as a maker supported racing team.
carotman
10-29-2006, 08:25 PM
Well, I should receive it soon. I'll take pictures of this mofo on the engine.
Cheeseburger
10-29-2006, 10:20 PM
sweet!
mkymonkey
10-29-2006, 10:52 PM
cool you bought it, i was wondering when you were going to grow some balls
lol jk
Cheeseburger
10-29-2006, 10:52 PM
hahahahaha for reall though
MessyHonda
10-30-2006, 06:57 AM
Well, I should receive it soon. I'll take pictures of this mofo on the engine.
hope it look good on the car. :thumbup:
thegreatdane
10-30-2006, 08:59 AM
ok you can tell now, for the love of god where did you find it?
Nice Find Carotman!!!MUGEN POWER!!!
HondaBoy
10-30-2006, 01:51 PM
show us some pix of it when you get it, some if you restore it if needed, and installed! i'm excited to see it when you recieve it.
carotman
11-07-2006, 12:19 PM
Well, I got it yesterday!
I'll take pictures. It needs a bit of restoration but it's not too bad.
Can't wait to put it on!
MessyHonda
11-07-2006, 12:21 PM
Well, I got it yesterday!
I'll take pictures. It needs a bit of restoration but it's not too bad.
Can't wait to put it on!
ok start a new thread...this one is too long already....lol
carotman
11-07-2006, 01:42 PM
Yeah, so much stuff to install during the dead winter season. At least it'll keep the board alive :p
epic1400cs
11-12-2006, 08:10 AM
Wow, carot, thats a nice one I like that.
I thought MF204 is something in the past but on Mugen home page (http://www.mugen-power.com/motorsports/f3/index.html) it says they are still supplying MF204C to Toda Racing in Japan and Neal Brown Engineering in UK for F3 racing - obviously the powerunit is still in aciton but I dont know if these are the same unit as MF204 based on B20A.
In anyway, I would definately buy it if I have a B20A.
carotman
01-05-2007, 06:56 AM
I may have found a place to get it powder coated. This badboy will look good!
The MF204C is based on the newer B series engines. That's why TODA makes the Vtec Killer Cams. The F3 doesn't allow Variable valve timing.
bullard123
01-05-2007, 08:40 AM
That will look good powder coated. Have you figured out to fill it yet Carotman?
Cheeseburger
01-05-2007, 09:07 AM
sweet! cant wait to see it!
bigman652
01-05-2007, 09:44 AM
buy that ish it is tech sex!!!!
carotman
01-05-2007, 12:43 PM
Oh, I already bought it, don't worry. It's sitting on a table here, waiting to get powder coated :D
reanimator420
01-05-2007, 12:45 PM
so when will we see pics????:thumbup:
bullard123
01-07-2007, 04:02 PM
Hey Carotman are you selling your stock valve cover? What color is that gunmetal?
carotman
01-07-2007, 06:03 PM
Nah, I'll keep the stock cover for now.
I may sell a gol top cover soon but I'm not sure.
I know that wohdog had a couple of covers for sale
carotman
03-09-2007, 06:33 AM
Ok, It's back from the powdercoat. I tried to get the color as close as possible to the original Mugen.
http://carotman.no-ip.com:8888/personal_site/my_accord/Mugen/mugen_cover1.jpg
It gets a weird color with the flash
http://carotman.no-ip.com:8888/personal_site/my_accord/Mugen/mugen_cover2.jpg
http://carotman.no-ip.com:8888/personal_site/my_accord/Mugen/mugen_cover3.jpg
http://carotman.no-ip.com:8888/personal_site/my_accord/Mugen/mugen_cover4.jpg
http://carotman.no-ip.com:8888/personal_site/my_accord/Mugen/mugen_cover5.jpg
http://carotman.no-ip.com:8888/personal_site/my_accord/Mugen/mugen_cover6.jpg
I like the results so far.
88LXi68
03-09-2007, 07:00 AM
You should have painted it the same neon green that the sway bar is!!! :) lol
Are you going to polish up the lettering?
L3G10N
03-09-2007, 07:10 AM
i definitivly hate you! :bandance:
bullard123
03-09-2007, 08:12 AM
Its sad how some people think these parts are rice lol. Looks good Carotman
MessyHonda
03-09-2007, 08:55 AM
i want to see it on the car.
LX-incredible
03-09-2007, 09:03 AM
Cool. Is the hole for the breather threaded?
mkymonkey
03-09-2007, 09:35 AM
i say you polish the letters
Civic Accord Honda
03-09-2007, 11:18 AM
x2
Estimated Prophet
03-09-2007, 12:22 PM
That looks bad ass. Thumbs up.
mkymonkey
03-09-2007, 12:31 PM
Its sad how some people think these parts are rice lol. Looks good Carotman
ebay mugen stuff is rice....not uber rare valve covers :thumbup:
carotman
03-09-2007, 01:59 PM
I'm not sure if I'll sand down the letters. I'll see how it looks on the car 1st. I might try to find another one and see if I can powder it another color :D
Seriously, I need to get a fitting for the breather and a longer stud for the cambelt side bolt.
TWOLOUDNPROUD
03-09-2007, 07:17 PM
Hay carotman there no need to be sorry it was just a bad day lets just call it the past and move on:cheers:
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