ST sway bar is rubbing

[Legend_master]

Does anybody with the ST sway bars have this problem. It is doing it on both sides. The sway bar rubs against one of the lower control arms. Here is a picture of where it is rubbing.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/Touching.jpg

Was it suppose to be adjusted some how, cause I cannot figure it out.

[HostileJava]

I was under the impression that it didn't fit right with the SE-i rear brakes and that you could either have one or the other? I could be way off on that, and I don't know how one would really affect the other, but I thought Steve had posted about it earlier.

[ZackieDarko]

hmmm maybe somebody *caugh* justin *cuagh* should design some new LCA's so these things work right ;) ;)

[Busted_Blue]

hmmm maybe somebody *caugh* justin *cuagh* should design some new LCA's so these things work right ;) ;)
mine rub like that too. Ehh, think of it as a brace when you corner harder. :P

[Legend_master]

I was under the impression that it didn't fit right with the SE-i rear brakes and that you could either have one or the other? I could be way off on that, and I don't know how one would really affect the other, but I thought Steve had posted about it earlier.


That can't be, I am running 86 LX-i lower control arms and LX-i whatever the arm is called that connects to the sway bar.


mine rub like that too. Ehh, think of it as a brace when you corner harder. :P


I wouldn't mind, but every time I hit a bump it makes a rattling noise. It really should not make a difference, but I am kinda anal about my car. I guess I might just Mod the lower control arm.

[MessyHonda]

is your car lowered?

[HostileJava]

Messy, look at his sig!

[Legend_master]

Messy, look at his sig!


That is photochopped :) , but yes I am lowered.

[paso100]

No rubbing on mine...
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e186/paso100/100_2022-1.jpg

[HostileJava]

That is photochopped :) , but yes I am lowered.

Actually I was reffering to the link to your mods:)

[Legend_master]

Actually I was reffering to the link to your mods:)


:lol: I see, that would be the best way to tell.


No rubbing on mine...

What control arms and hubs are you running?

[88LXi68]

I was under the impression that it didn't fit right with the SE-i rear brakes and that you could either have one or the other? I could be way off on that, and I don't know how one would really affect the other, but I thought Steve had posted about it earlier.

That was the Addco rear sway bar.



Legend Master:
I think it just matters how low your car is.

[mkymonkey]

would it depend on your shocks and stuff? arent you running like a civic shock or something? im just throwing it out there :D

[Legend_master]

would it depend on your shocks and stuff? arent you running like a civic shock or something? im just throwing it out there :D


Nope KYB accord struts in the rear.


That was the Addco rear sway bar.



Legend Master:
I think it just matters how low your car is.

That was my first thought, but wouldn't you think that would have been thought of when they designed the bar. I mean this item is suppose to be used to stiffen the body roll and that kinda goes along with upgraded suspension. I think I might call them and bitch, if that is the case.

[guaynabo89]

no rubbing here and I'm lowered about 2.25-2.5 with the st bars.

[paso100]

What control arms and hubs are you running?
Stock arms, stock drums.
If the rubbing is that bothersome, how about just filing the arm a bit where it's making contact, or take it to a muffler shop and they can knick off a tiny bit w/ a torch. I don't believe a small amount removed would affect the integrity of the arm. I would first remove the ST bar and see if it can be repositioned a bit. Or can you add a washer or two for more space?

[mkymonkey]

i agree...i was gong to ask you why dont you just file/grind down just a tiny bit of material so they dont rub?

[Legend_master]

That is what I am planning next. I just want it to work

[88LXi68]

That was my first thought, but wouldn't you think that would have been thought of when they designed the bar. I mean this item is suppose to be used to stiffen the body roll and that kinda goes along with upgraded suspension. I think I might call them and bitch, if that is the case.


Are you really surprised that they probably didnt think of it? So many of these aftermarket companys rush to produce parts and dont really road test them for extended periods of time.
Calling and bitching about a part they probably dont even make anymore is just going to get you even more angry.

[jonrichert]

any possibility that it's bent or installed incorrectly? or maybe wrong bushings...

[bobafett]

my front ST bar rubbed on my floor, but we 'zeph modded' my floor with a hammer and it doesnt hit anymore. my rear bar is fine. :)

[ICEMAN707]

Comparing your pic with paso's, it looks like your endlink is shorter than his. Or maybe you bolted it in the wrong hole perhaps? Is there a hole lower than the hole you current have it thru?

Also, looks like your lower control arm is installed backwards, you need to flip it over facing the other way. The curved side facing back. That curved side is probably what's hitting the sway bar.

[88Accord-DX]

Is that sway bar link not long enough or what?

[88Accord-DX]

Well, since there is no answer. I suggest you take a die grinder & grind out some metal on that rear control arm above the sway bar. (just enough for it to not hit)

[Legend_master]

Is that sway bar link not long enough or what?


Its not that it is to short, it is the angel that it sets the bar to. To much towards the control arm.

[SQ is the SQUAD]

any update on this before i order me some bard

[thegreatdane]

I just ordered ST bars from summit, they're on backorder and it's going to be more than 2 months before they can get me a set.
That's a long wait! :rant:

[Legend_master]

I just ordered ST bars from summit, they're on backorder and it's going to be more than 2 months before they can get me a set.
That's a long wait! :rant:

Holycrap 2 months! That seems like a sign that they will not be making them much longer. I did manage to get one side to quit rubbing, by loosening the bolts and using a pry bar to pull the bar down a little. I will do the other side when I install the new suspension.

[thegreatdane]

Yes, I fear so too. Someone should buy the last ones and make a killing of selling them on ebay lol

[Cheeseburger]

i should look into getting some soon :(

[carotman]

I'm glad I got mine then.

I should get the front one sooner than expected I guess.

[Estimated Prophet]

*cough* vigor rear sway *cough*

[Accordtheory]

legend, just drop the motherfucker down..extend the link a little.
yeah I'm crunk right now, I don't care. Yeayuh!
Why did you chose the ST over the addco? What should I get? Did you look into the vigor bar?

Another thing, I know I shold probably PM you about this instead, but what kind of gas mileage do you get? I'm really pissed that my b series gets worse than my a20. A lot worse. I can watch my gas gauge move, wtf. there's nothing wrong with my motor, I built that piece of shit myself.
Anoher thing, I improved my wheelhop problem a lot too, did I tell about about that? Softer mounts + repositioning=good..
Sorry to be off topic and shit, I'll post up on h-t about the mpg thing, I was just wondering.
I also wonder what 1600cc injectors and a t4 twin scroll gt35r will do..lol

[Legend_master]

legend, just drop the motherfucker down..extend the link a little.
yeah I'm crunk right now, I don't care. Yeayuh!
Why did you chose the ST over the addco? What should I get? Did you look into the vigor bar?
Another thing, I know I shold probably PM you about this instead, but what kind of gas mileage do you get? I'm really pissed that my b series gets worse than my a20. A lot worse. I can watch my gas gauge move, wtf. there's nothing wrong with my motor, I built that piece of shit myself.
Anoher thing, I improved my wheelhop problem a lot too, did I tell about about that? Softer mounts + repositioning=good..
Sorry to be off topic and shit, I'll post up on h-t about the mpg thing, I was just wondering.
I also wonder what 1600cc injectors and a t4 twin scroll gt35r will do..lol

LOL, you must be blitzed. I will fix it when I install my full bodied coilovers. I went with the ST cause they are larger then stock, they come with poly bushings, and they are reasonably priced, also addco was/is not available. I haven't checked into the vigor bar. As for the gas milage, I have a very low thermostat and the car runs rich. In the winter I get 22-24, and in the summer I get 25-26. Sounds like you need a tune :thumbup: . I'm glad you got the wheel hop shit figured out, that gets incredibly annoying after a few launches.



I also wonder what 1600cc injectors and a t4 twin scroll gt35r will do

REALLY REALLY shitty gas mileage, but fast car :violin: .

Drink one for me :cheers:

[2drSE-i]

you were right tho antares, mine is no where near that close to the c-arm. are the se-i brackets different?? im going to the yard tomorrow ill do some comparing.

[Legend_master]

you were right tho antares, mine is no where near that close to the c-arm. are the se-i brackets different?? im going to the yard tomorrow ill do some comparing.


I would check out the 86 LX-i sway bar bracket, it is a more similar setup then the se-i bracket.

[Oldblueaccord]

http://www.preludepower.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260017
maybe this would help? might be self defeating not sure really.
wp

[thegreatdane]

http://www.preludepower.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260017
maybe this would help? might be self defeating not sure really.
wp

Performance endlinks? lol.. I dont see the point of those as far as performance goes, only if your swaybar is hitting something, and in that case I'd rather mock something up myself.

[88LXi68]

There is another option for rear sway bars that I will be posting in the coming days...

[86AccordLxi]

Vigor rear bar!

Alex

[thegreatdane]

A big fat I-beam perhaps :p

[Legend_master]

A big fat I-beam perhaps :p

Lets just weld a bar from the bottom strut mount to the other bottom strut mount :thumbup: .

[2drSE-i]

solid rear suspension lmao

[thegreatdane]

Let's sell it on ebay as a DIY kit lol :)

[Accordtheory]

As for the gas milage, I have a very low thermostat and the car runs rich. In the winter I get 22-24, and in the summer I get 25-26.
So it never goes into closed loop?
I would always run the stock thermostat, or close to it, for the reason that the engine is built (clearance wise) with that temperature in mind. A cooler block will decrease your piston/cylinder wall clearance, for example.

I guess I'll get the st bars, I don't know. I'll still look into it more, like maybe an st front and vigor rear bar (?) but I know the rubbing problem would be an easy fix regardless..

[Estimated Prophet]

I put the Vigor bar on my hatch with little effort. You have to shave the bushings a bit to get that huge sucker to bolt up but other than that no problems.

[ZackieDarko]

but will the vigor bar work with rear discs?

[Estimated Prophet]

I have drums :banned:

[Legend_master]

but will the vigor bar work with rear discs?


Im sure it will, the bars all bolt on the same between drums and disks.

[Legend_master]

So it never goes into closed loop?
I would always run the stock thermostat, or close to it, for the reason that the engine is built (clearance wise) with that temperature in mind. A cooler block will decrease your piston/cylinder wall clearance, for example.
I guess I'll get the st bars, I don't know. I'll still look into it more, like maybe an st front and vigor rear bar (?) but I know the rubbing problem would be an easy fix regardless..


it gets warm enough to go into open loop, but just barely. I will get a stock one when this one needs to be replaced. I am on 10K with this motor and it's still running strong, so I think everything is good for now.

[Accordtheory]

I put the Vigor bar on my hatch with little effort. You have to shave the bushings a bit to get that huge sucker to bolt up but other than that no problems.
Is it bigger than the st bar? I know, search, but I'm too lazy. + I'd rather hear it from someone who actually did it anyway. Do you have the st front bar? How does your car handle at the limit?

[ZackieDarko]

virgor bar is larger then the ST bar

[Legend_master]

virgor bar is larger then the ST bar


Has that been proven by someone measuring it or by someone comparing them visually?

[Estimated Prophet]

Not the best but here is a picture I took:

http://images.andale.com/f2/105/104/25056747/2007/4/4/DSCF0886.JPG

[ZackieDarko]

Has that been proven by someone measuring it or by someone comparing them visually?


its what i have gatherd from people's posts


*edit* from that picture, although its hard to tell from the flash, the vigor bar looks to be 1 1/2" thick

[MessyHonda]

its what i have gatherd from people's posts
*edit* from that picture, although its hard to tell from the flash, the vigor bar looks to be 1 1/2" thick



do you know how to read a measuring tape?....its more like 3/4ths of an inch

[Legend_master]

do you know how to read a measuring tape?....its more like 3/4ths of an inch


:lol: Yeah, I will have to go out and measure my ST bar. I think the vigor might actually be thicker.

[Estimated Prophet]

I'll get a better one tomorrow, it helps when I don't hold it sideways like that. :D

I haven't seen an ST bar but the Vigor bar made my stock 88 LX-i look very very puny. As far as how it improves handling I can't really say since I installed it about a week after I bought the car and I still have hella shitty worn out OEM struts.

[ZackieDarko]

:rolleyes: my bad the dark colors threw me off

sorry for making such a huge mistake

[paso100]

It looks like Suspension Techniques merged w/ some other company and changed the look of their products. Same stuff, just GREEN.
Here's a link to their website. And they still have anti-sway bars and springs for the 3g! The rear bar is 5/8" dia. according to their applications list.
http://www.stsuspensions.com/
.
Here's some blurb from their site:
Green means GO on a new era at ST Suspensions
The recent integration of ST into the KW automotive group has greatly expanded our manufacturing capabilities. Both our American and European based manufacturing facilities are equipped with contemporary CNC operated machines and computer supported production and assembly lines to ensure that rigorous quality standards are upheld.
On last years SEMA show in Las Vegas, ST introduced it's new style to the public.

[Accordtheory]

ok, so what, we need a pic of someone holding a dial caliper (I have one) or whatever you call the stupid thing on both bars? Damn, it's so hard to get straight info on here!

The last thing I want is to get my gc coilovers, swap my swaybars, and then have my car be totally spin happy. I'll test it out in a big parking lot. But at least now we have a couple options as far as the rear bar..

[86AccordLxi]

I'm 99.9% sure that the vigor bar is indeed bigger than the addco or s/t rear bars. A friend picked one up locally for $10 too! By far the best bang-for-the-buck suspension mod.

Alex

[Legend_master]

Here is the 86 LX-i VS the ST sway bar.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v667/Legend_Master/dd1d1c2c.jpg

[MessyHonda]

I'm 99.9% sure that the vigor bar is indeed bigger than the addco or s/t rear bars. A friend picked one up locally for $10 too! By far the best bang-for-the-buck suspension mod.

Alex


ok im going to the junkyard and see if i can locate one.

[carotman]

The bat might be bigger but the difference in materials is something we must consider. A smaller bar can be stiffer.

[86AccordLxi]

Yeah, but when you're comparing solid rear bars I'd think the material difference is negligible.

Alex

[Legend_master]

I adjusted the sway bar while working on my rear suspension tonight. After a little bit of adjustment, I got the bar to stop touching the LCA :rockon: .

[thegreatdane]

Yay :) And I will be recieving mine tomorrow. Fedex express

[2drSE-i]

awesome man youll love them. Except for the color...

[thegreatdane]

They're not grey anymore?

[Legend_master]

They're not grey anymore?

Mine were grey, but his were neon lime green :thumbdn: .

[thegreatdane]

Mine were grey, but his were neon lime green :thumbdn: .

lol okay, I didnt think they would be painting any of our old ass honda bars with their new color. I dont think it will bother me much if it's green.

[2drSE-i]

no they arent green, they are ugly ass lime green. Youll wanna paint them when you see them.

[thegreatdane]

Haha, that bad huh. Well I recieved them today, and luckily for me, they are the old design with grey bars and red bushings :) What color are your bushings?

[2drSE-i]

lucky bastard... my bushings were red too

[87lxiaccord]

what year vigor can I get the rear bar from? There is one of the 1992-1994 vigors at the jy. Is that the correct year?

[2drSE-i]

i believe thats right, some1 correct me if im wrong though.