A few performance ?'s

[ICEMAN707]

I have been out of the 3gee modding fever since I started my EG project last july of last year. I will get back to my 3gee as soon as I possibly can, but for now I'm really close to getting the EG back on the road again before paint, alarm, etc. I just need some opinions. So here's a couple of quick ?'s for you guys:



1) Here are my 16" tire choices. Which of the 3 you guys most prefer?:

Falken RT 615's (priciest - $400 set):

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/42000090/Images/1/Falken%20Azenis%20RT615%20Logo.jpg


Hankook Ventus R-S2's (mid-price - $350 set):

http://www.tireshack.net/hankook/RS21.jpg


Nitto NT 450's (cheapest - $300 set):

http://dtdoutlet.com/nithz3.ang.jpg



2) Is it ok to upgrade my injectors to dsm 450cc, stock, without a 255lph walbro pump and upgraded ECU? ...or should i wait till i can upgrade my ECU (air/fuel management) and get a walbro pump? Reason I ask this is I got a hold of a set of dsm 450cc injectors and was wondering if it was ok to put them in yet without messing anything up.

[LiTtLe xOx BitT]

im a fan of the hankooks.

[ICEMAN707]

yeah the hankook r-s2's are supposedly the direct competition of those falken rt 615's....hmmm.....but i wanted to know for sure before i drop this kind of cash on tires. as for the nitto, nitto is a great brand for tires and i don't mind getting those nt 450's for the price and excellent wet weather traction.

[Cheeseburger]

well i love my rt-215's one heck of a tire. but i don't use them for daily driving, are these tires going to be used for daily driving? the Azenis are known for a low life span. but if ur going to have another set of rims and tires i would go for the Azenis

[ICEMAN707]

well, the EG is my toy...just drive it on the streets for fun on my days off or take it to the track on sundays for some autocrossing. i have a daily driver for school and work. i take the car to school at UTi sometimes to work on it and do some of my part installations.

i built the EG mainly for performance handling. i currently have an asr rear subframe brace, eibach sportline springs, kyb agx adj. struts, omnipower billet aluminum lower control arms, jdm dc2 integra 23mm rear sway bar, obx front and rear upper strut bars, obx front and rear alignment kit, megan racing front 4-point subframe brace, energy suspension poly bushings kit, 16 inch nippon f2 wheels, and suspension techniques 1-inch front sway bar. also the transmission i swapped out for an Si transmission for the lower gear ratio. also added a 12 lb aluminum flywheel.

[Cheeseburger]

i would go with the Azenis then.

[ICEMAN707]

thanks man, it's been close to a year saving up and collecting all these parts, so i'm really excited. just need tires, upgraded clutch, and spark (MSD 6A kit) and fuel management (hondata s200, 450cc injectors, walbro pump). then she's ready for a nice coat of jet black paint and custom alarm system with shaved door handles and door popper kit. only aesthetic parts would be projector 6000k HID headlight kit and mugen style front lip...maybe oem-style Seibon carbon fiber hood also. pretty much upgrading the car up in the handling area...minus an engine swap...that would be another project in the future. the d-series mini-me swap with the rebuilt ported/polished vtec head should do for now...

[rjudgey]

Falkens out of those 3 are by far the best the nitto's don't even bother cheap brand budget crap, the Hankook not much better, personally i'd have gone for the Dunlop or Yokohama but the falkens are uneniably great value for money just don't use them in the wet!!

[Cheeseburger]

Falkens out of those 3 are by far the best the nitto's don't even bother cheap brand budget crap, the Hankook not much better, personally i'd have gone for the Dunlop or Yokohama but the falkens are uneniably great value for money just don't use them in the wet!!


well i had to use the Azenis while moderate rain and they performed the same. i thought i was going to be sliding all around but i wasn't.

[MessyHonda]

yeah my falkens 512 are not bad...even in rain...they still grip good....i would go with falken if you dont DD on them...

[shepherd79]

I wouldn't change the injectors untill you get a fuel pump.

[snoopyloopy]

how much are you getting the injectors for?

[ICEMAN707]

well i live in FL and we get alot of rain here, what would be the best tire for wet and dry traction without getting too expensive? something with 300 treadwear, AA traction, and AA temp...is there such thing?....I'm thinking BFG G-force T/A KDW's?


http://www.tirerack.com/images/tires/bfg/bfg_gforce_ta_kdw2_ci2_l.jpg

[Cheeseburger]

ur best bet them would be
Hankook Ventus R-S2's out of ur list

[ICEMAN707]

What do you think of the Kumho Ecsta Supra 712's? It has a high treadwear rating and lots of grip.

[MessyHonda]

the higher the thread rating the less sticky the tire will be.

[shepherd79]

look at tirerack.com
they rate tires on everything.
i love that website.

[ICEMAN707]

the higher the thread rating the less sticky the tire will be.

Usually that's where they make up for it in the thread pattern. That's why the Kumho 712's have such a high grip with high threadwear rating. Look at the threads on this thing:


http://www.wheelmax.com/_images/products/kumho712.gif

[Cheeseburger]

those are really nice

i would look at tire rack. they have all the info on each tire. and it will help u deiced on what to get

[ICEMAN707]

yeah but tirerack doesn't have all tires like toyo, falken, nitto, hankook, cooper, etc. ....either way i will end up paying around $400 shipped for these tires...just want the best for the price

...i might go for the falken azenis rt-615's ...but they don't have it in 40 series 16". the ziex ze-512 they have in 40 series though...i might go for that, but it's not like the azenis rt-615's in comparison:


http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/42000090/Images/1/Falken%20Ziex%20512%20Logo.jpg

i have these tires for the front on my 14" rims right now. so i have to say these are really good dd tires. cuts through heavy rain like a hot knife through butter. they just aren't as wide as the kumhos i have for the rear that are of the same size (195/55/14)....and i like tires that are wider than other brands of the same exact size. they look better/more aggressive and protect the rims.

here's an old pic of the EG on 14" rims last year right before i started the project:


http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/1/web/2401000-2401999/2401926_1_full.jpg

now months later, it will be a whole new different animal. i will have update pics in a couple months when it's ready for the road again.

[ghettogeddy]

i really like my toyo proxes 4's maybe toyo has something comparable to the falkan

[race12001]

i love my nittos

[ICEMAN707]

i think i finally decided on falken fk-452's.

$110 each with a utqg rating of 300-aa-a.

it's the best 215/40/16 tire for the price in www.1010tires.com in terms of handling, dry & wet traction, noise, and wear.

even surpasses the other more expensive high ranking tires: goodyear eagle f1 gs-d3, kumho spt-ku31, and toyo proxes t1-r

[race12001]

i think my nittos were 75 a pop

[ICEMAN707]

woohoo! i found the falken fk-452's for $76 each in 215/40/16 size at Edge Racing's website. $27 shipping to my house for all 4! i think i'm sold...:)

[Cheeseburger]

nice!

[MessyHonda]

Usually that's where they make up for it in the thread pattern. That's why the Kumho 712's have such a high grip with high threadwear rating. Look at the threads on this thing:

http://www.wheelmax.com/_images/products/kumho712.gif



thread ware varies from company to company....so a 320 from falken could be different from like a 320 tire from your local Big O tire shop.


you would get lucky if you get 30-40k on a set of performance tires.

[ICEMAN707]

yeah that's why i really think the falken fk-452's will be a better buy for street and autocross driving versus the falken rt-615's which mostly is a track tire.

[ICEMAN707]

will i need the resistor box for the dsm 450cc injectors if i put them in the EG?

[rjudgey]

Kumho are rubbish especially the 712's

[ICEMAN707]

i think kumhos are alright for a cheap performance tire alternative. i've had kumhos lasting longer than my BFG's. and BFG's aren't cheap tires. the best all-around performance kumho tire to get is the kumho spt-ku31. but it's not cheap and well in the price of other expensive performance tires.

[Hash_man_Se_i]

One of my friends ran those first falkens on his 240 and loved them, but they didn't last very long... Another friend is running 712's on his 240, and they seem to be a really good balance between grip and durability... especially with rain and such.

Also, are you going turbo or nitrous?... if not may I ask why you are upgrading your fuel pump and injectors?... On a d-series motor with just bolt ons I don't see much of a point in adding those fuel components unless going FI.

[ICEMAN707]

well i'm pretty much sticking with the mini-me conversion for awhile....then maybe turbo 5-6psi cus of the high compression just to get a few more power out of the d...hence the fuel pump, fuel management, fpr, and injectors.

mainly it's to install everything in preparation for my last project on this car which is an engine swap. since it's so easy with this car, it'd be the wise thing to do in terms of performance. i'm just putting all the parts in the car that i would otherwise keep (i.e. suspension, brake, fuel, spark, and intake upgrades). for when i do the engine swap with turbo, everything is installed, good and ready. the injectors, distributor, and throttle body can be switched over to the new engine. the p28 ecu can be reprogrammed to run a DOHC engine. i'm thinking boosted GSR swap....well GSR first, then build it, then boost it ;)

[Hash_man_Se_i]

Ah cool cool... sounds like a good plan. But ya I wouldn't put the injectors in until you get the fuel pump and are ready for a tune.

[ICEMAN707]

maybe i'll just stick with a FPR for now, as much as the stock fuel pump can handle. i'm trying to save $300 to get that MSD 6A external coil kit.

[A20A1]

hey how come the accord bumper is different in that pic with the civic?

[2oodoor]

Have you looked at the Sumitomas, I was looking at those at local Sears, they have closeouts here all the time, Tires for cheap.

I cant spell to good today so that may be wrong spelling