My B20a Pics!

[bullard123]

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/3429/img0074lr2.jpg
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/8954/img0075hh6.jpg
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/5396/img0076et3.jpg

[TWOLOUDNPROUD]

Sweet

[A18A]

yay :)

the b20a club ftw :D

[2ndGenGuy]

Man that is some 80's Honda Pr0n if I've ever seen it.

[89T]

is it in yet?

[bullard123]

is it in yet?
Nope. Im taking it in to Matt tomorrow

[Cheeseburger]

sweet!

[MessyHonda]

wash it up b4 you put it in.

[snoopyloopy]

Man that is some 80's Honda Pr0n if I've ever seen it.
hahaha

looking good. i can't wait to see the pix of it going in

[rjudgey]

You got the box and mounts to go with it?
I'd highly recommend changing all the gaskets before you put it in as there all going to be nearly 20 years old so wouldn't surprise me if it would spring a few leaks, also could give the head and inlet manifold a bit of a flow job increase the CR by skimming the head a little too. But thats just me maybe you'll be happy with 160bhp!!

[bullard123]

Yeah Im going to go up there early to hand wipe it with some engine cleaner. And im not going to put int in , its at a performance shop right now. And Rjudgey 160bhp is a great start for me. Thanks for the advice!

[bullard123]

Had a lil bad luck today at the shop. I just found out that they sent me the wrong tranmission Anyone have any pics of a B20a five speed transmission?

[TWOLOUDNPROUD]

http://www.3geez.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1364&d=1031474885
Had a lil bad luck today at the shop. I just found out that they sent me the wrong tranmission Anyone have any pics of a B20a five speed transmission?

[TWOLOUDNPROUD]

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/483000-483999/483190_58_full.jpg

[bullard123]

Thanks Tommy. I have to take some pictures of mine to compare them

[89T]

matt as in zcspeed matt?

[bullard123]

Man that looks awfully close to the B20A5 tranmission
http://www.japaneseengineswarehouse.com/eBay/TrannyPics/b20a_5spd_1.jpg

B20a transmission
http://www.3geez.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1364&d=1031474885

[89T]

looks like one is a cable style the other is hydrolic. those two arent even remotley the same look at the starter holes and bell housing.

[EX-ileAccord]

Looks good man. Good luck with the install

[Shin87LXI]

Woot!

[forrest89sei]

Very nice

:thumbup:

[MessyHonda]

sucks about the tranny

[MessyHonda]

dp

[TWOLOUDNPROUD]

:welcome:





:wave:

[rjudgey]

Are you going to be able to get another tranny? If you get stuck i'll start looking around you got more of a chance of finding one in U.K. but shipping will suck big time price isn't too bad around £50-100 depending on yard knowing what there doing off!!

[bullard123]

Are you going to be able to get another tranny? If you get stuck i'll start looking around you got more of a chance of finding one in U.K. but shipping will suck big time price isn't too bad around £50-100 depending on yard knowing what there doing off!!
I hope so. The company I bought it from is a major importer of Jdm engines and transmissions. They weere closed for the weekend though. I'll have to call them frst thing Monday morning. Other than that everything went well. My stage 1 clutch from the A20 fit the B20a perfect if someone else is thinking about trying it. Also my B20a clutch is for sale if someone needs one.

[bullard123]

And Jerry Yes it was Matt from Revolutions Tuning. They got started on my car the minute it hit the bay. It was suppost to be ready in two days but while its in there I might as well get those gaskets from tooloudnproud. Whats your paypal address Tommy?

[89T]

right on bro.
i know like 3 different matt's with shops. that is why i was asking.
how's the tranny problem comming.
you should get a base run on the dyno while it's there.

[bullard123]

right on bro.
i know like 3 different matt's with shops. that is why i was asking.
how's the tranny problem comming.
you should get a base run on the dyno while it's there.
Im hoping they send me the right one this time. Yeah Matt is a cool guy. Yeah I saw a Evo and a MazdaSpeed6 get Dynoed while I was there yesterday. The stock Mazdaspeed6 dynoed at 194 hp and the Boosted Evo dynoed at 341hp.

[89T]

Im hoping they send me the right one this time. Yeah Matt is a cool guy. Yeah I say a Evo and a MazdaSpeed6 get Dynoed while I was there yesterday. The stock Mazdaspeed6 dynoed at 194 hp and the Boosted Evo dynoed at 341hp.
you should have seen the 1150hp mustang. that was sick.

[rjudgey]

So the A20 clutches do fit the B20A flywheel!!! Yay at last honda not customizing everything for each individual car!! Seems weird that they would have so many different clutches, the Early 2G accords, MK1 CRX, Mk1 Teggy and 2G carbed ludes they all share the same clutch, so makes sense that the later 3G accord, 2G SI lude and B20A SI have the same clutch. Wonder howmuch power a stock clutch would take considering a B20A has 160bhp adn A20 only has 125bhp at least the A20 guy's have less to worry about upgrading from stock!! Hmmm quite fancy trying out a Clutchnet A20 clutch now!!

[TWOLOUDNPROUD]

Shipping from the UK with fedex or UPS is about 900.00 for the trany and that to Nor Cail:wtf: I looked in not to long ago.

[bullard123]

you should have seen the 1150hp mustang. that was sick.
If its blue I have some pics of it. I seen one car in there with a GIGANTIC turbo on it. Ill upload the pics later tonight

[bullard123]

So the A20 clutches do fit the B20A flywheel!!! Yay at last honda not customizing everything for each individual car!! Seems weird that they would have so many different clutches, the Early 2G accords, MK1 CRX, Mk1 Teggy and 2G carbed ludes they all share the same clutch, so makes sense that the later 3G accord, 2G SI lude and B20A SI have the same clutch. Wonder howmuch power a stock clutch would take considering a B20A has 160bhp adn A20 only has 125bhp at least the A20 guy's have less to worry about upgrading from stock!! Hmmm quite fancy trying out a Clutchnet A20 clutch now!!
Yeah thats some good news! The B20a clutch is a good upgrade from the stock A20 clutch since it is rated to handle 160hp. Woot!

[bullard123]

Shipping from the UK with fedex or UPS is about 900.00 for the trany and that to Nor Cail:wtf: I looked in not to long ago.
Wow that a little outrageous. The company I bought the transmission should have the right one in stock. I will just have to carefully explain to them what I'm looking for lol.

[89T]

the one i am talking about has twins unless they changed it.i'll look for the dyno vid tonight.

[bullard123]

the one i am talking about has twins unless they changed it.i'll look for the dyno vid tonight.
Ok cool

[ilikevtecs]

good luck man!

[bullard123]

good luck man!
Thanks dude. It sucks I had to repay for the right transmission cause they shipped me the wrong one. They sent me the prelude b20a tranny instead of the accord. But I think SuperSovietSolider is going to buy it from me. Now its just waiting on the right tranny to get here.

[89T]

heres the vid for that mustang.
http://premium1.uploadit.org/scubasteve//Dannys-Mustang.wmv

http://www.revolutionstuning.com/dannyhi.wmv
look how close the rear tire got to the diamond plate on the dyno!
http://www.revolutionstuning.com/tireshape.wmv

[bullard123]

Yeah thats the one I took pics of. Man that thing is a beast!! Over 1000 horses Wow

[teck]

awsome B20.
on a side note. thats a BADASS mustang!

[BITESIZE]

Just wait till you put that gunmetal powdercoated valve cover on!

[A18A]

that mustang is cool! what was that thing that flew off by the front wheel in the 2nd vid @ 52 secs?

[89T]

that was a make shift getto catch can while on the dyno.

[hotdoghogie]

im proud of u bullard... i like how u did what u said u were gonna do...

[bullard123]

Just wait till you put that gunmetal powdercoated valve cover on!
I know I can't wait!

[TWOLOUDNPROUD]

bullard123 did you find the right trany yet?

[bullard123]

bullard123 did you find the right trany yet?
Yeah they sent me the right one this time. The guy promised me. It should be here today.

[carotman]

take pictures of it when ou reveice it.

[bullard123]

take pictures of it when ou reveice it.
Ok will do

[SQ is the SQUAD]

damn, this summer 3geez is going ot have alot of beast driving around!

[TWOLOUDNPROUD]

Well did you get your trany yesterday? if so where the PIC'S:wave:

[bullard123]

Well did you get your trany yesterday? if so where the PIC'S:wave:
No I didn't get it. The people at the company didn't ship it out until Wednesday. But its suppose to be here Monday. How much are those gaskets you are selling? Im going to need some.

[TWOLOUDNPROUD]

No I didn't get it. The people at the company didn't ship it out until Wednesday. But its suppose to be here Monday. How much are those gaskets you are selling? Im going to need some.
160.00+6.00 for shipping by UPS

[bullard123]

160.00+6.00 for shipping by UPS
They are full gasket sets right? And whats your paypal address?

[TWOLOUDNPROUD]

They are full gasket sets right? And whats your paypal address?
Yes it a ket

[TWOLOUDNPROUD]

bullard123 you have a PM

[bullard123]

bullard123 you have a PM
Ok I got your Pm. I will contact you if I need them. And they sent the wrong transmission again:thumbdn: These freakin people don't pay attention. They are going to have to reimburse me for my time:rant:

[A18A]

damn that really really really really sucks :( does that mean YOU have to pay AGAIN for their mistakes?

[bullard123]

damn that really really really really sucks :( does that mean YOU have to pay AGAIN for their mistakes?
Nope. Not this time. I sent them some pics of it today and demanded that I wanted shipped by next day service. This is really starting to give me a headache.

[MessyHonda]

that blows.....

[snoopyloopy]

Nope. Not this time. I sent them some pics of it today and demanded that I wanted shipped by next day service. This is really starting to give me a headache.
good for you. don't you just love educating people who're supposed to know more about something than you?

[bullard123]

good for you. don't you just love educating people who're supposed to know more about something than you?
Yeah they are suppose to be a major jdm engine importer but they don't even know their own products that they sell. Thats pretty sad.

[TWOLOUDNPROUD]

bullard123 i gave them a call the only thing i can say How in the hell are thay still in business ? ok yesterday and today i sent out about 40 fax's to importers about the tranmission so far no call back yet:rant: At this point you might think about making a adapter plate to a newer tranmission that what i am going to do after i put my turbo in.That would be the best thing sins the B20a tranmission is so hard find.:thumbdn:

[A18A]

bullard123 i gave them a call only i can say How in the hell are thay still in business ? ok yesterday and today i sent out about 40 fax's to importers about the tranmission so far no call back yet:rant: At this point you might think about making a adapter plate to a newer tranmission that what i am going to do after i put my turbo in.That would be the best thing sins the B20a tranmission is so hard find.:thumbdn:
damn awesome idea, i wish the a-series trannies would bolt on

[bullard123]

bullard123 i gave them a call the only thing i can say How in the hell are thay still in business ? ok yesterday and today i sent out about 40 fax's to importers about the tranmission so far no call back yet:rant: At this point you might think about making a adapter plate to a newer tranmission that what i am going to do after i put my turbo in.That would be the best thing sins the B20a tranmission is so hard find.:thumbdn:
Thanks dude I appreciate it. The guy keeps telling me that they have one in stock. I gave him the B2K5 serial number and he told me he was positive that they had one. I also posted a thread on preludepower to see if those guys would have one laying around. I'm, too far into this B20a project to give up now. I will have to do some more research myself.

[carotman]

I'll try to hit the local importers next week again. I might be lucky and find another Manual B20A. It seems that Sunrise Engines get those from time to time.

[MessyHonda]

man that sucks....lets hope these guys come thru

[Cheeseburger]

man it must blow! good luck bullard

[bullard123]

The saga continues... Im still waiting for my transmission because this crazy company wants to wait till they receive the wrong transmission they sent me before they claim to be "positive" about sending the right one out this time. It should be here next week. They told me that they confirmed the right serial #'s this time. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

[89T]

you should have them take pic's of the one there going to send you.

[carotman]

you can always ask them if it has a cable or rod shifter. The one yu need has a rod while the one they keep sending uses cables.

[bullard123]

you should have them take pic's of the one there going to send you.
Yeah I should have now that I think about it. If they send the wrong one this time I'll just get my money back.

[bullard123]

you can always ask them if it has a cable or rod shifter. The one yu need has a rod while the one they keep sending uses cables.
Ok i'll keep that in mind

[3geeandEF]

wouldnt a YS1 tranny from a b18a1 fit on there? its a bseries. put one of them on there or a cable S1 tranny. then put some ITR gears in that tranny and boost it!

[A18A]

its a 1st gen b20a, they are different to all other b-series

[A18A]

so... hows it coming along now? :)

[bullard123]

Well after I finally got the 5 speed tranny from Tommy, I realizied that I needed a new clutch and flywheel from a 89 prelude Si and a auto starter. I hope this is all of the surprises I run into lol.

[89T]

did you get it put in?

[buttaz1]

wow you gone through hell dude
atleast you know that its worth it lol
how much did you spend on the engine and what company is ti ?

[bullard123]

did you get it put in?
Nope but they are going to be working on it first thing next week

[bullard123]

wow you gone through hell dude
atleast you know that its worth it lol
how much did you spend on the engine and what company is ti ?
Yeah I've been through a lot.I've waited a year alone just for a 5 speed tranny. Word of advice, never buy a incomplete B20a. Its just too much of a hassle. But I'm glad its almost over. I bought the engine from a guy on preludepower.com.

[bullard123]

Ok I got some updated pics. The shop is busy now so I got a chance to pretty her up a little. On to the pics!
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7208/img0200qc0.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9739/img0201bm1.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/258/img0202nh9.jpg

[BITESIZE]

Gosh, I guess I'll start on your valve cover seeing how your almost done. It should look like Carotmans when I'm done.

[snoopyloopy]

hot hot hot

[forrest89sei]

Ok I got some updated pics. The shop is busy now so I got a chance to pretty her up a little. On to the pics!
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7208/img0200qc0.jpg
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9739/img0201bm1.jpg
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/258/img0202nh9.jpg


Woo Hoo!

Looks GREAT :thumbup:

[Steve_Si]

looks mint!

[A18A]

oo, now i wanna go paint mine!!

[TWOLOUDNPROUD]

wouldnt a YS1 tranny from a b18a1 fit on there? its a bseries. put one of them on there or a cable S1 tranny. then put some ITR gears in that tranny and boost it!

USDM 5 speed manula transmission
http://i3.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/86/7d/4a8e_1.JPG
JDM 85-89 B18a or B20a 5 speed manula transmission
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n80/TwoLoudNproud/DSCN6275.jpg?t=1189295734

[A18A]

they actually look quite close

[89T]

not bad bullard not bad at all . whens it going in?

damb! i thought it was cleaned not painted.
i was going to pay him to clean mine when it came out. lol.

btw those tannys don't even look close to matching.

[MessyHonda]

damn bullard...that engine is going to look sweet in your show car.

[bullard123]

not bad bullard not bad at all . whens it going in?

damb! i thought it was cleaned not painted.
i was going to pay him to clean mine when it came out. lol.

btw those tannys don't even look close to matching.

Hopefully Monday Jerry. I was up there all weekend and they were pretty busy. Thanks everyone for the comments!

[TWOLOUDNPROUD]

bullard123 did you get your wiring figure out for your B20a yet?

[bullard123]

bullard123 did you get your wiring figure out for your B20a yet?

You mean for the wiring harness?

[TWOLOUDNPROUD]

You mean for the wiring harness?

Yes.

[bullard123]

Not yet. They are suppose to be putting it in Monday. I got my stock one from the A20 that I'm gonna use

[carotman]

The wiring is very wasy on the B20A... only need to add 2 wires for the dizzy and use some other for the external ignitor.

[bullard123]

Ok I might as well make this my B20A update thread. The shop is backed up right now so my car won't be ready till around the 26th of September. ( A bunch of Subaru rally car's are getting worked on for a big race later this month) I figured while I'm waiting I might as well ask questions about some more smaller things. Does the B20A use the same radiator/powersteering hoses as the A20?

[AccordB20A]

Ok I might as well make this my B20A update thread. The shop is backed up right now so my car won't be ready till around the 26th of September. ( A bunch of Subaru rally car's are getting worked on for a big race later this month) I figured while I'm waiting I might as well ask questions about some more smaller things. Does the B20A use the same radiator/powersteering hoses as the A20?

yes the hoses are the same cause i have used a a20a when my b20a was out of order

[snoopyloopy]

good to know for future reference...

[bullard123]

yes the hoses are the same cause i have used a a20a when my b20a was out of order

Cool Thanks Wohdog. Finally something thats fully interchangeable from the A20 to the B20

[bullard123]

good to know for future reference...
Yeah my threads are going to answer all of your B20a questions you may have lol. I think they should be made stickies

[BITESIZE]

Well, I'm almost done with your valve cover. I used a textured gunmetal paint, so it will look more stock. I decided to do another a20 valve cover while doing his.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/379000-379999/379742_632_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/379000-379999/379742_630_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/379000-379999/379742_631_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/379000-379999/379742_633_full.jpg

[bullard123]

That looks hot! Are you going to sell the A20 valvecover? Im sure someone hear will buy it.

[BITESIZE]

That looks hot! Are yoiu going to sell the A20 valvecover? Im sure someone hear will buy it.

Yah, I guess I'll sell it the price is right. lol It's going to be pimp with all the lettering and lines sanded off and all shiny.

[rjudgey]

whats with the B20A5 valve cover?

[bullard123]

whats with the B20A5 valve cover?

Yeah I know. I just realized it when I looked with the picture. It should work with the B20a right? The only difference I see is the spot where the breather filter goes

[BITESIZE]

:wtf:I'm going to smack you if it doesn't fit!!

[Civic Accord Honda]

:wtf:I'm going to smack you if it doesn't fit!!
ahahahahahahaha ROFL
hey how much u want for the a20 valve cover

[BITESIZE]

ahahahahahahaha ROFL
hey how much u want for the a20 valve cover

I made a new thread to not whore up bullards...http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62070

[bullard123]

:wtf:I'm going to smack you if it doesn't fit!!

Ha ha ha. It will fit. All B series valve covers are the same. The breather part is just in a different location

[Civic Accord Honda]

are u sure cux i herd that only the jdm b20a ones fit anyway good luck

[bullard123]

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/258/img0202nh9.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/379000-379999/379742_630_full.jpg
The oil fill location is different too but it still should fit. Carotman's mugen valve cover had a different oil fill spot too

[BITESIZE]

Sanded the lettering and clear coated

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/379000-379999/379742_638_full.jpg

[ZackieDarko]

are u sure cux i herd that only the jdm b20a ones fit anyway good luck

you heard wrong

[A18A]

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[ig]http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/7/web/379000-379999/379742_630_full.jpg[/img]
The oil fill location is different too but it still should fit. Carotman's mugen valve cover had a different oil fill spot too

i think carotmans mugen one didnt even havea oil fill hole

[MessyHonda]

yeah i remember 2loud was running like a 90-93 teg valve cover.

[carotman]

The B20A5 cover will fit but will look odd because of the angle the stock engine mounts. The cover is higher in the rear and "might" hit the hood.

You'll need a dummy PCV valve for that cover too.


BTW, my Mugne cover doesn't have an oil filler cap :)

[bullard123]

Yeah thats right yours didn't have a oil fill. I have a 90-93 integra valve cover here too.

[bullard123]

The good news
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/9311/img0204ls3.jpg
The bad news. Engine is no good. Pistons are rusted engine won't even turn over! Internals are damaged.

[thegreatdane]

did you tear it down to take a look at the internals? as long as you didnt violate it to make it turn, it's likely just a matter of getting the cylinders honed and getting new piston rings. unless you want to go all out.

[bullard123]

did you tear it down to take a look at the internals? as long as you didnt violate it to make it turn, it's likely just a matter of getting the cylinders honed and getting new piston rings. unless you want to go all out.

No I didn't tear it down its gonna cost me to have the shop look at it but I saw the rust the pistons had on them. I don't know if it will even be worth it. We tried putting a ratchet on one of the pulleys but we couldn't get the engine to move at all.

[xvok]

man I can relate to the fealing this happend to me. do like everyone says just take the engine apart and get it honed and new pistons and rings and have the crankshaft checked at the same time might as whell you should be looking at 30-60$ for the hone and bore maby 120$-200 for pistons depends if you go for stock or preformance maby like 200$ for misc parts / polishing and then you can have no worys about the engine and reving it up high.

[A18A]

No I didn't tear it down its gonna cost me to have the shop look at it but I saw the rust the pistons had on them. I don't know if it will even be worth it. We tried putting a ratchet on one of the pulleys but we couldn't get the engine to move at all.

oh man this really really really sucks :( you have had probably the worst luck with a b20a that i have seen on here :thumbdn: really sorry about that

[bullard123]

oh man this really really really sucks :( you have had probably the worst luck with a b20a that i have seen on here :thumbdn: really sorry about that

Yeah I know. I don't know if I want to tear this one apart or just go with another block and head. I have all new engine parts and a 5 speed tranny so its still worth keeping. Do you have a spare goldtop laying around? Im getting a refund from the person I bought it from too

[A18A]

nope, only have black tops, but the gold top & black top block & heads are the same i think (though i remember reading something about different compression?), oh and b20a5 internals also work in these blocks. not sure about the head though, but all you might need is to get a bare block & head. correct me if i'm wrong

[bullard123]

nope, only have black tops, but the gold top & black top block & heads are the same i think (though i remember reading something about different compression?), oh and b20a5 internals also work in these blocks. not sure about the head though, but all you might need is to get a bare block & head. correct me if i'm wrong

Yeah thats exactly what I need. I was hoping to find another goldtop one but if the B20a5 internals work it will be easier. Once I get it towed back to my house I'm goiing to take the head off and have 89accordturboed come and see how bad the damage is. I have a spare prelude crank here at the house. I hope its not as bad as I think it is:)

[MessyHonda]

well build it then...so then you will have a new b20...talk to tommy and see if he can get you parts for the build.

[thegreatdane]

Im sure it's not too bad. Just pray that the crank shaft journals are ok :)

[snoopyloopy]

you can use b16a pistons as well. nice compression bump there. that's what i was gonna do w/ mine. rebuild it w/ b16a pistons, lightened pulleys, and adj. cam gears then get some cams reground at delta or cold and put those in it. then b16a lsd in the tranny for kicks. should be around 200 hp conservatively w/ obd-1 conversion and breathing mods, no?

[bullard123]

you can use b16a pistons as well. nice compression bump there. that's what i was gonna do w/ mine. rebuild it w/ b16a pistons, lightened pulleys, and adj. cam gears then get some cams reground at delta or cold and put those in it. then b16a lsd in the tranny for kicks. should be around 200 hp conservatively w/ obd-1 conversion and breathing mods, no?

Yeah that sounds like a good setup:)

[snoopyloopy]

yeah. but only in my dreams. i'd have a hell of a time getting that by here in cali. but i think i'll put in a stock b20a, get it'd bar'd, then get another b20a and build it and swap them over later, like tommy. :) then sell the stock one to some unsuspecting kid w/ a beater.

[bullard123]

yeah. but only in my dreams. i'd have a hell of a time getting that by here in cali. but i think i'll put in a stock b20a, get it'd bar'd, then get another b20a and build it and swap them over later, like tommy. :) then sell the stock one to some unsuspecting kid w/ a beater.

Yeah you could or you can sell the spare stock one on here too

[bullard123]

Still haven't heard back from Wohdog yet

[guaynabo89]

wow man hat sucks!


Will they replace the engine for you? Does it at least have a start up warranty?


Depending on what you decide to do, you should really think abut freshning up the motor before you put it in our car.

A completed head job with seals, hot tanking, valve seats, and valves should only run you about 200 if everythign is good.

As far as the block if the internals are fine and the bores arent to far gone you can just get a hone and rehuild it. probably like 500 dolars or so depending on how much machinig etc it needs.

If these people give you the money back maybe you could use that to rebuild.

[89T]

you can use b16a pistons as well. nice compression bump there. that's what i was gonna do w/ mine. rebuild it w/ b16a pistons, lightened pulleys, and adj. cam gears then get some cams reground at delta or cold and put those in it. then b16a lsd in the tranny for kicks. should be around 200 hp conservatively w/ obd-1 conversion and breathing mods, no?
i was just telling bullard that revolutions is running a deal for like $1400
for e85 conversion with neptune with injectors. let me dig it up.

this is the add from another fourm.

Kits include Neptune Engine management system, chipping for your stock ecu, RC Engineering 750 or 1000cc injectors, injector clips, Walbro 255 LPH HP fuel pump, Installation and dyno tuning

$1400, tax included.

We are also getting all the paperwork together for you guys to allow you to claim the state and federal Alternative Fuel Vehicle Conversion tax credit and have Uncle Sam help pay for your speed habit.

Remember, it's not a race car- it's a flex fuel vehicle. http://forums.coloradoracing.net/html/emoticons/smile.gif

i belive the gov. will pay 80% of the conversion.


i know this is alittle off topic but it's an easy way to get management.

[bullard123]

wow man hat sucks!


Will they replace the engine for you? Does it at least have a start up warranty?


Depending on what you decide to do, you should really think abut freshning up the motor before you put it in our car.

A completed head job with seals, hot tanking, valve seats, and valves should only run you about 200 if everythign is good.

As far as the block if the internals are fine and the bores arent to far gone you can just get a hone and rehuild it. probably like 500 dolars or so depending on how much machinig etc it needs.

If these people give you the money back maybe you could use that to rebuild.
Yeah it sucks. It doesn't have a warranty because I bought it off of a member of of preludepower.com and its taken me well over a year to get all of the parts I need to get it running. I haven't even torn it apart yet to dsee how bad the damage is yet. But my plans are to send this engine to snoppyloppy and get the B20A snoppyloppy has from Wohdog since he plans to rebuild his anyway. The good part is once the B20A gets here from Wohdog its just a matter of switching everthing over and dropping it in.

[TWOLOUDNPROUD]

bullard123 is there any updates on your B20a? have you fixed it yet? Let us Know.

[bullard123]

bullard123 is there any updates on your B20a? have you fixed it yet? Let us Know.

Yes I have a update. I got snoppyloppy's(black top) B20A from Wohdog. When mine is up and running Im going to sell him my (goldtop) B20A cause he wants to do a rebuild. Wohdog shipped it out Monday so it should be here soon. I'll keep everyone updated

[TWOLOUDNPROUD]

Yes I have a update. I got snoppyloppy's(black top) B20A from Wohdog. When mine is up and running Im going to sell him my (goldtop) B20A cause he wants to do a rebuild. Wohdog shipped it out Monday so it should be here soon. I'll keep everyone updated

how much did the shipping cost from NZ to the US let me know.

[bullard123]

For the block with a few accessories, and part of the exhaust it cost $630 minus the tranny

[snoopyloopy]

so the tranny is still in the land of the kiwi?

[bullard123]

so the tranny is still in the land of the kiwi?

Yeah Wohdog said that he couldn't find one before he shipped the engine out:(

[snoopyloopy]

ook. no biggie. i'll tell him to keep an eye out and see if he can just shove it in a tv box or something and ship it to me later...

[bullard123]

Today I took the valve cover off of the B20A and painted it. Everything looked good but I didn't tear anything apart and look into the cylinders
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/2228/img0246xp5.jpg
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/9595/img0247ko0.jpg
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/783/img0248zw5.jpg
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/5584/img0249za1.jpg

[bullard123]

Oh and just to confirm the 90-93 integra valve covers and the B20A valve cover is TOTALLY different. The B20A valvecover has 2 studs on the end of it that the black plastic cover goes over then screws down
http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/9595/img0247ko0.jpg
The 90-93 valve cover has no studs and the valve cover and plastic cover is all one piece as you can see in the pic
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8895/img0252ua1.jpg

[AccordB20A]

Interesting. I wonder how speedy that engine is going to get over to you. I havent recived the bill to pay the shipping yet.

Man snoopyloopy will be getting a minter engine, iyts clean but needs a rebuild. Mint

and snoopy im lookin 4 a bocks when ur ready and have ur b20a rebuild and ready to go in u can pay for me to ship it if i can find one

[A18A]

rocker cover looks niiice now :)

[itzdave]

that 'bucket and the butter' popcorn looks pretty good too. sorry :bong:

[bullard123]

Interesting. I wonder how speedy that engine is going to get over to you. I havent recived the bill to pay the shipping yet.

Man snoopyloopy will be getting a minter engine, iyts clean but needs a rebuild. Mint

and snoopy im lookin 4 a bocks when ur ready and have ur b20a rebuild and ready to go in u can pay for me to ship it if i can find one

Yeah I havn't heard anything yet but I have a gut feeling that it will be here tomorrow. Its no rush though because we celebrate Thanksgiving over here Thursday and everything will be shut down. Yeah I was suprised to see the B20A so clean when I took the vavlecover off. No sign of any rust so far. But the cylinders still could be rusted

[bullard123]

that 'bucket and the butter' popcorn looks pretty good too. sorry :bong:

Ha ha yeah its time for a movie now:)

[A18A]

i really do hope all goes well with getting a b20 running in this hatch, been such a long time!!

[bullard123]

i really do hope all goes well with getting a b20 running in this hatch, been such a long time!!
x 1,000,000

[bullard123]

Well I got the valvecover back on today. What do you guys think?
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/6097/img0249os9.jpg
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/5779/img0247fe3.jpg
But found this
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/7246/img0248ag4.jpg

[snoopyloopy]

Well I got the valvecover back on today. What do you guys think?
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/6097/img0249os9.jpg
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/5779/img0247fe3.jpg
hothothot


But found this
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/7246/img0248ag4.jpg
notnotnot

[bullard123]

Ha ha Yeah Snoppyloppy she is definately going to need some rebuildiing. The valves look fine though

[AccordB20A]

engine looks mint from the outside.

[carotman]

the valve cover looks nice!

[bullard123]

Here is a pic of the intake and breather Im going to be using
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/1539/5227r11410a015ec8.jpg

[snoopyloopy]

Ha ha Yeah Snoppyloppy she is definately going to need some rebuildiing. The valves look fine though

hmm. i'll get it rebuilt, get it running, get it swapped in, then get a second one and do an all-out build with bigger valves and rjudgey-style headwork and high cr and swap that in after awhile. :)

[AccordB20A]

hmm. i'll get it rebuilt, get it running, get it swapped in, then get a second one and do an all-out build with bigger valves and rjudgey-style headwork and high cr and swap that in after awhile. :)

lol rjudgey-style ftw

[AccordB20A]

oh man this really really really sucks :( you have had probably the worst luck with a b20a that i have seen on here :thumbdn: really sorry about that


when my b20a arrives hes gunna be omgomgwtfman omg cool fast omgomg

[bullard123]

when my b20a arrives hes gunna be omgomgwtfman omg cool fast omgomg

Yeah I can't wait to feel the difference!

[bullard123]

Still waiting :( Hopefully I get it this week

[TWOLOUDNPROUD]

Any update's

[lilhatchbesmokinU]

This is a quite depressing story, but it will be worth it in the end

[bullard123]

Yes its been quite a wait. Wohdog is checking with the shipping company to see what happened. He told me that the engine is here in the U.S. somewhere. Im hoping it ddin't get caught up in customs or something

[2oodoor]

What is it that I am supposed to be seeing bad in this picture? I am missing it, if it is the little water settling rust, that is no big deal? What is the latest news?

[bullard123]

Alright guys I know a lot of people have been asking me about updates on my B20A so here we go! I received Wohdog's B20A back in Feburary. It actually got there in one month but it sat in a warehouse for 2 months before anyone got a hold of me! Definately was not Wohdog's fault Here is a pic of Wohdog's B20a (blacktop)
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3093/img0291ii2.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5716/img0292cf8.jpg
Here is a pic of the car with the old B20A
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/968/img0290hv9.jpg
Gettting ready to take the ole B20A out
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/397/img0293fe1.jpg
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/9803/img0295eo4.jpg
Out she goes!
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/3724/img0296pk7.jpg
Had to grind my A20A3 exhaust to get the B20A headers to fit. This allos you to keep the A20 exhaust and not have to buy the B20A5 exhaust
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/9073/img0303zw0.jpg
Here is how the finished result looks
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/5906/img0304ug6.jpg
Cleaned Wohdog's B20A up
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/4148/img0297kg1.jpg
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/7049/img0298am1.jpg

[bullard123]

Had to switch all the parts over to Wohdog's B20A
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/2743/img0305wg6.jpg
Dropped Wohdog's B20A in
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/761/img0307av3.jpg

[A18A]

mint stuff!! is she going yet?

you're welcome to clean my b20's up any time :)

[bullard123]

mint stuff!! is she going yet?

you're welcome to clean my b20's up any time :)

Nope not yet:(. Ran into a few small issues. The headers on Wohdog's B20a only have one O2 sensor and I need two. Plus I got to get another passenger side axle for the driver's side and figure out how to do the intermediate shaft trick with the prelude shaft. I think I might end up having to go to the prelude exhaust also because the A20 exhaust doesn't have a place to hook up the intermediate shaft. Ok you have a deal send me your B20a and I'll clean it:rockon:

[Cheeseburger]

I would clean up that cross member, looks like its starting to rust a bit. other then that looks good

[2oodoor]

whew, I am glad you posted !
progress! looking good

You have a header or are you using the cast manifold "header"? That is one of the things holding me up, I really want a tuned header but how much actual difference is there in the 3rd gen prelude header, in other words what exactly needs to be done to make them work?
I should have put mine in this past week but I just had too many other chores to do in order to get to the point I can focus strickly on this. I just got to drive the A20 in the LX this week after doing a bunch to it, it seems weird to take out a great running non leaking motor.. lol

[89T]

Nope not yet:(. Ran into a few small issues. The headers on Wohdog's B20a only have one O2 sensor and I need two.
you could use a universal bosh 3 wire 02 sensor. All you need to do is ground the black wire and run the other two to the stock wires.

[bullard123]

you could use a universal bosh 3 wire 02 sensor. All you need to do is ground the black wire and run the other two to the stock wires.
Really?? Can I get this from Autozone or something?? I know that having that one O2 sensor will give me a check engine light when I get it running

[bullard123]

whew, I am glad you posted !
progress! looking good

You have a header or are you using the cast manifold "header"? That is one of the things holding me up, I really want a tuned header but how much actual difference is there in the 3rd gen prelude header, in other words what exactly needs to be done to make them work?
I should have put mine in this past week but I just had too many other chores to do in order to get to the point I can focus strickly on this. I just got to drive the A20 in the LX this week after doing a bunch to it, it seems weird to take out a great running non leaking motor.. lol
Im using the cast iron exhaust manifold that came with Wohdog's B20A. The prelude exhaust manifold will work too but you will have to drill a extra hole in it to get it to work

[MessyHonda]

wow great update

[89T]

Really?? Can I get this from Autozone or something?? I know that having that one O2 sensor will give me a check engine light when I get it running
az or checker. your pick.

[bullard123]

az or checker. your pick.

Alright cool. I'll be heading to A1 today also get a few parts

[bullard123]

What is it that I am supposed to be seeing bad in this picture? I am missing it, if it is the little water settling rust, that is no big deal? What is the latest news?
Nah it was more than just that. The whole engine is locked up. I had a mechanic double check it to make sure

I would clean up that cross member, looks like its starting to rust a bit. other then that looks good
Yeah you're right. I took a wire brush to that whole area and painted it all black. It turned out pretty good

wow great update
Thanks. I know its been a long while but Im making progress. Hopefully the next update will be a vid of this thing runnin!

[A18A]

vids ftw!

[89T]

Nah it was more than just that. The whole engine is locked up. I had a mechanic double check it to make sure

Yeah you're right. I took a wire brush to that whole area and painted it all black. It turned out pretty good

Thanks. I know its been a long while but Im making progress. Hopefully the next update will be a vid of this thing runnin!
is it running?

[bullard123]

is it running?

Nope. Just found out that Im gonna need the halfshaft support to make the intermediate shaft work

[snoopyloopy]

sweet, looking real good. my interest is definitely peaked. i'm really getting excited now to see it running. really makes me wanna get one now... :lol:

[2oodoor]

sweet, looking real good. my interest is definitely peaked. i'm really getting excited now to see it running. really makes me wanna get one now... :lol:

I thought you had one? you playin around

any manual bell housings showing up yet?

[BITESIZE]

Keepn the dream alive!!! Way to go!

[bullard123]

Bumpity...Wow its been a while since I updated this thread. Anyway got my ported and polished Intake Manifold in today! cant wait to install it. Here is a pic
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w102/SovietSuperSoldier/Picture011-6.jpg

[Rendon LX-i]

O do i see boost in the future? i see a greddy type of flange for a BOV

[MessyHonda]

we still need some base dyno numbers...but looks sweet...remember to pick up a bisi gasket

[Civic Accord Honda]

polish the outside too

[AccordB20A]

good to see mods are still happening

[bullard123]

O do i see boost in the future? i see a greddy type of flange for a BOVHmmm I might be stashing some parts away for a turbo :thumbup:....Boost owns me


we still need some base dyno numbers...but looks sweet...remember to pick up a bisi gasketYes good point..where can I find them?


polish the outside too Yep gotta make sure she's nice and shiney before it goes in:)


good to see mods are still happeningYes pretty slowly though lol. I still want some nice headers and some aftermarket cam gears...And yes its overdue for a dyno lol

[MessyHonda]

http://bisimoto.net/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3_39&products_id=511

[accordlxibseries]

hey i got a few questions to ask if ya dont mind. im throwing a b20a in my 87 lxi. i need to know which motor mounts were customized and where they go? im a noob at this keep in mind. i have a mechanic that i pretty much stuporvise while hes working tryin to learn something lol. but he moved and now i have to do it myself. i have the 90 prelude si axels, the stock b20a headers, i have everything but the ecu and wiring harness. i just need to figure out the mounting system before i even try it. i have the stock a20a3 in it now.

[bullard123]

hey i got a few questions to ask if ya dont mind. im throwing a b20a in my 87 lxi. i need to know which motor mounts were customized and where they go? im a noob at this keep in mind. i have a mechanic that i pretty much stuporvise while hes working tryin to learn something lol. but he moved and now i have to do it myself. i have the 90 prelude si axels, the stock b20a headers, i have everything but the ecu and wiring harness. i just need to figure out the mounting system before i even try it. i have the stock a20a3 in it now.

Man sorry I coudnt get back to you sooner....Did you ever get it installed??

[defiance]

Man sorry I coudnt get back to you sooner....Did you ever get it installed??

Hey man did you ever get the B20A running ?

[bullard123]

Hey man did you ever get the B20A running ?

Yes I did. It was worth all that I went through to get it running, The motor is one agressive beast! Im still in the process of finding some headers for it and I will be getting it dynoed here shortly

[AccordB20A]

still rocking my old engine?

[bullard123]

still rocking my old engine?Yep!! She still runs nice and strong. One question for you Aaron. How many miles did you put on it before you sold it to me? I feel she may be due for a timing belt change soon

[MessyHonda]

Yes I did. It was worth all that I went through to get it running, The motor is one agressive beast! Im still in the process of finding some headers for it and I will be getting it dynoed here shortly

you dont need headers. i got a turbo manifold for you...lol

[AccordB20A]

Yep!! She still runs nice and strong. One question for you Aaron. How many miles did you put on it before you sold it to me? I feel she may be due for a timing belt change soon

i didnt drive it anywhere. just did some fat skids then pulled it out lol

[bullard123]

you dont need headers. i got a turbo manifold for you...lol

Hmmm now you got me very tempted Messy:) What other B20A parts do you still have?

[bullard123]

i didnt drive it anywhere. just did some fat skids then pulled it out lol

Oh yeah I remember that video of it...She sounded very mean. Did you find it in a junkyard? Or did Alex have a spare B20A?

[bullard123]

Wonder where Snoppyloppy is? I still got my goldtop Im going to sell to him for cheap

[gfrg88]

Wonder where Snoppyloppy is? I still got my goldtop Im going to sell to him for cheap

I thought he was like parting out his car a long time ago :dunno:

[MessyHonda]

Hmmm now you got me very tempted Messy:) What other B20A parts do you still have?
i have lots of stuff that i wont use. my deal is 500 bucks for everything b20 i have


Wonder where Snoppyloppy is? I still got my goldtop Im going to sell to him for cheap

yeah snoopy has a bmw now

[AccordB20A]

i bought that motor in the car i got my digital dash out of :)

[bullard123]

i have lots of stuff that i wont use. my deal is 500 bucks for everything b20 i have



yeah snoopy has a bmw now

Ok cool good to see he has came up...Ok cool pm me a list of what you have