Bar None What's the best 5sp Tranny???

[Toohardtohandle]

As some of you may know, I joined this site for a few basic bolt on mods, and now I find myself hooked...damn it (lol). Here's what I've done:
CAI
2.25 exhaust w/out the cat and high flow muffler
Colt Cam (stage 1)
Pacesetter Header
So here's my question. Who can tell me what 5sp gives the best performance and will fit into our cars (88 ex-i) with the least amount of trouble?

[ilikevtecs]

i'm pretty sure you can swap in 1st gen integra gears into the A20 boxes, their shorter=faster

[newaccorddriver]

how the hell do you pass air care without a cat?!

[ghettogeddy]

i'm pretty sure you can swap in 1st gen integra gears into the A20 boxes, their shorter=faster
he is correct but the only ones that bolt up are stock a20 trannys now there is a dif between efi and carb i thin carb is supposed to be better but nothing to noticeable

[Bglad420]

A2K5 Lude tranny is what I have in my 88 Lxi hatch

[87LXiR]

A2K5 Lude tranny is what I have in my 88 Lxi hatch
The first three gears are geared slightly closer than the accords right?
Did you see much of a drop in gas milage or is it berley even noticable cuz ive would like to swap out the gears in my tranny also if it doesnt affect my mpg to much. oh and what year prelude did you get the gears out of does it matter?

[Bglad420]

I don't know I hoss the piss out of my car almost on a daily basis. but I would guess I'm getting 20-30 mpg but it varies. I have a lead foot.

[Vanilla Sky]

Integra Hybrid. 1-4 from the Teg, and 5th from the Accord. Accord bellhousing, Teg trans housing.

This is what I hope to run.

[shepherd79]

if you want simple bolt on get 86-87 lude EFI tranny. it has higher gearing.
if you want hybrid, do what Vanilla said.

[ghettogeddy]

Integra Hybrid. 1-4 from the Teg, and 5th from the Accord. Accord bellhousing, Teg trans housing.
This is what I hope to run.i have an extra carb tranny wait for this upgrade i just have to find the teg tranny for cheap of the gears lol

[MessyHonda]

yeah shorter gears= faster but your MPG goes down.....the integra gears you will be doing 60mph @3000 rpm

[rjudgey]

Just buy a clutchnet flywheel and clutch, if you really want the best Teg gears into A20 tranny, and throw in some new bearings, and syncros while your there. Most gearbox's are quite worn and i wouldn't bother just chucking one in as you could soon discover it's got issues and have to take it out again!! Just my 2 Cents worth as you Americans say!!

[Estimated Prophet]

if you want simple bolt on get 86-87 lude EFI tranny. it has higher gearing.
if you want hybrid, do what Vanilla said.
It is really a simple bolt on swap? I have a few of those on the yard and my LX-i has no 5th.

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[shepherd79]

It is really a simple bolt on swap? I have a few of those on the yard and my LX-i has no 5th.
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yes it is. just make sure it is from EFi and not carbed one. if you get carbed one, you have to use flywheel and clutch from carbed lude.

[guaynabo89]

Im running the teg 1-4 gears and the accord 5th in the accord case. shorter gears = great for na Theres a big jump from the teg 4th to the accord 5th. if Im like at 4000 rpm in fourth and shift to fith my rpms drop down to like 2700 or so. big jump compared to the usual 700 rpm or do between gears.

when I got turbo im gonna put the stock accord gears in and just get like a sllightly taller tire for the higher gearing effect. (215/40/17)

oh the carbed trannies are geared longer than the fi models which is better for turbo and hih speed driving but kill your accelleration

[Toohardtohandle]

Why not just go with a 1st Gen Teg as the entire Trannie? What's the difference between the Teg's 5th and the Accords 5th? And is the Teg's trannie a straight bolt in?

[gp02a0083]

yeah shorter gears= faster but your MPG goes down.....the integra gears you will be doing 60mph @3000 rpm

my 87 lxi runs about 3k @ 65-70 mph its got the auto tranny tho is that right with the se-i rims??

[MessyHonda]

Why not just go with a 1st Gen Teg as the entire Trannie? What's the difference between the Teg's 5th and the Accords 5th? And is the Teg's trannie a straight bolt in?



you cant do that....they are totally different engines....only the gears are interchangeable.



my 87 lxi runs about 3k @ 65-70 mph its got the auto tranny tho is that right with the se-i rims??


what size tires you running? maybe your over drive does not work? or your speedo is off. sounds about right tho.....3K@70-75 for me. with a 89 lx-i 5 speed

[LiTtLe xOx BitT]

yeah shorter gears= faster but your MPG goes down.....the integra gears you will be doing 60mph @3000 rpm
I do 75mph at 3000 rmp in 5th gear. The way my tranny is geared is multiply the gear you in (5th) by 5 and then then multiply that by how many thousand rpm's your doing (so 3000 rpm's is 3) and you get your speed. So 5x5=25 and 25x3=75 so 75mph or if im in 1st gear at 6k rpms 1x5=5 5x6=30 so in 1st gear at 6000 rpm's im doing 30mph. It works like this in every gear, with every speed and at all rpm's. Pretty much i know the speed just by knowing what gear im in and the rpm im at or what rpm's im at if i look at the speed and know what gear im in. Is everyones like this? Or am i the only one who got bored to do the math, lol.

[MessyHonda]

I do 75mph at 3000 rmp in 5th gear. The way my tranny is geared is multiply the gear you in (5th) by 5 and then then multiply that by how many thousand rpm's your doing (so 3000 rpm's is 3) and you get your speed. So 5x5=25 and 25x3=75 so 75mph or if im in 1st gear at 6k rpms 1x5=5 5x6=30 so in 1st gear at 6000 rpm's im doing 30mph. It works like this in every gear, with every speed and at all rpm's. Pretty much i know the speed just by knowing what gear im in and the rpm im at or what rpm's im at if i look at the speed and know what gear im in. Is everyones like this? Or am i the only one who got bored to do the math, lol.


yeah but i was talking about the integra gears. and it does sound about right...cuz when i redline 1st gear im at like 35mph 2nd gear is like 70mph and 3rd is like 95

[LiTtLe xOx BitT]

Oh, im sorry i didnt answer your question at all. I would do what bglad said and just go with the lude tranny, it will be pretty much a dricet bolt on since it comes from 85-87 preludes that also have the A20 motor. As far as your mods go you should get a ADJ cam gear and blaster coil to finish your bolt-ons.

[Toohardtohandle]

Thanks Bit. I'm on the list for the Cam Gear and I'll have a look into the blaster coil. Do you actually make any gains with the coil? Excuse my ignorance, but what are your benefits of having a blaster coil?

[MessyHonda]

Thanks Bit. I'm on the list for the Cam Gear and I'll have a look into the blaster coil. Do you actually make any gains with the coil? Excuse my ignorance, but what are your benefits of having a blaster coil?


the coil just smooths your idle...and it gives you a nice spark all over the RPM range...

[buttaz1]

ok
time to bring back old as threads but
did we ever prove that you can stick the gears in the accord tranny from the teg? i think i can have my tranny rebuilt and all for 600 bucks
ill see if i can have them change out the gears
help me out thanks

[Vanilla Sky]

Yeah, we have at least 2 teg hybrid transmissions running around on the boards. Matter of fact, the Accord 5th gear is a popular mod for the integra guys.

[rjudgey]

Mine has the teg gears in the tranny!! I have two one for tall gear ratios the other for short. The taller one is Lude carbed box the other was a combo or Accord bellhousing and Integra box and internals.

Not sure about the flywheel i use the carbed lude flywheel and clutch kit for that model seems to work just fine the kit is acutally the same for the teggy as well.

1st 45mph @8k rpm
2nd 75mph @8k
3rd 105mph @8k
4th 135mph @8k
5th 145mph is the most at around 7k

Lude carbed box

1st 45mph @8k
2nd 75mph @8k
3rd 115mph @8k
4th 140mph @8k
5th 160mph @7k (couldn't tell but was slowly overtaking an M3 at the time which are limited to 155mph!! shame that!! Was going downhill a little bit too which helped)

All speeds are by the speedo with 205/50/15 tyres.

[MessyHonda]

Yeah, we have at least 2 teg hybrid transmissions running around on the boards. Matter of fact, the Accord 5th gear is a popular mod for the integra guys.


yeah....for NA....the teg gears are a must. im thinking about it but mine is a DD. so i will just make more power so it can still be quick with the current ratio set up.

[Toohardtohandle]

1st 45mph @8k rpm
2nd 75mph @8k
3rd 105mph @8k
4th 135mph @8k
5th 145mph is the most at around 7k

Lude carbed box

1st 45mph @8k
2nd 75mph @8k
3rd 115mph @8k
4th 140mph @8k
5th 160mph @7k

rjudgey

how do you get such high rpm without the engine "cut off" taking place. I think I've read that there is a fuel cut off after...is it 6700? Or am I completely miss reading your numbers?

[snoopyloopy]

i think he's running carbed and pretty well modified engines so he might not get fuel cut.

[cygnus x-1]

A rev limiter would only apply to fuel injection. No such thing on carbed cars.

C|

[MessyHonda]

A rev limiter would only apply to fuel injection. No such thing on carbed cars.

C|


yeah but only high modified engines have power in that range. our cars just drop off power around 5-6k

[rjudgey]

It was a carbed lude to begine with i don't think they ever had a rev limiter on them!! Besides that it has it's own Race fuel pumps and seperate wiring to them, and no your not miss reading those with a 285 duration camshaft with 10mm lift with a moddified big valve cylinder head thats the kinda rpm you'll be pulling but you'll need aftermarket rods and forged pistons for an engine like that to last anymore than 15k miles before it explodes unless you drive liek miss daisy then you'll be fine!! But idle on a 285 degree cam is definately lumpy and 275 is the best cam for road use can still get 7.5k rpm out of a well moddified engine and have lots a bottom and top end and a nice clean idle. Stock cams are uselss and jumping upto any stage one cam is a good benefit but it's something you do once you've improved the efficency of the engine pulling air in and out, the cam governs howmuch air is allowed in and out so if you try to increase without improving induction and exhaust you'll not gain anything somtimes it will make it less driveable and feel slower than stock. (extreme cases with higher duration cam) Also with a cam you need to moddifiy the fueling with a carb you make it run richer with FI you need a re-map or if running stock try bigger injectors, 4th gen map sensor and a adjustable fuel regulator and up it a few psi.
On a stock engine with good header and exhaust, CAI, some slight improvements to the TB, i'd expect a stage one cam to pull very nicely to 6.5k rpm and have excellent midrange and fair low end power with a nice idle, if you have the benenfits of larger TB then maybe the power band could reach as high as 7k rpm but with a stock inlet manifold and plenum style chamber i'd be surprised if you got anythign usefull after 7k with an ITB or twin weber setup i've had power upto 7.5k rpm on the same camshaft.

[teck]

I do 75mph at 3000 rmp in 5th gear. The way my tranny is geared is multiply the gear you in (5th) by 5 and then then multiply that by how many thousand rpm's your doing (so 3000 rpm's is 3) and you get your speed. So 5x5=25 and 25x3=75 so 75mph or if im in 1st gear at 6k rpms 1x5=5 5x6=30 so in 1st gear at 6000 rpm's im doing 30mph. It works like this in every gear, with every speed and at all rpm's. Pretty much i know the speed just by knowing what gear im in and the rpm im at or what rpm's im at if i look at the speed and know what gear im in. Is everyones like this? Or am i the only one who got bored to do the math, lol.
LMFAO your the only one

[Toohardtohandle]

So if I upgrade my TB, won't I have to follow up with an upgrade to the intake as well and subsequent heads? From what I can gather the A20's intake is brutal, but if I which to a b16, I'd be looking at a different TB anyway?

[LiTtLe xOx BitT]

Go with the B18 intake manifold, and yes you will be using whatever TB comes on the manifold. Heres a pic of the modded B18 http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/2825/engine4sk2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Estimated Prophet]

If I wanted to do the Integra hybrid build I need teg 1-4 gears, 3g 5th gear, 3g syncros, and 3g bearings correct? Where is the cheapest source for these?

[Vanilla Sky]

If the bearings and syncros are anything like the ones I pulled out of a tranny with an exploded diff, then you'll probably be able to get away with using your old syncros.

With the Teg hybrid, you need the Teg gearset, minus 5th gear, the Accord bellhousing, the Accord 5th gear, and the Teg gearhousing. The Teg's gearhousing solves a problem the Accord's gearhousing has. It has larger oiling passages. The small oiling passages are why so many Accord 5th gears burn out.

[Estimated Prophet]

Parts #1-6 here: http://www.acuraautomotiveparts.org/acura/jsp/mws/prddisplay.jsp?inputstate=5&catcgry1=INTEGRA&catcgry2=1987&catcgry3=3DR+LS&catcgry4=KA5MT&catcgry5=MT++++++COUNTERSHAFT&ListAll=All&vinsrch=no&systemcomp=List%20All&vinnoT=&trim=&trans=&view=normal

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[Vanilla Sky]

You need both the mainshaft and the countershaft from the Teg trans.

[Estimated Prophet]

Hmm, I'll have to hold off until I can get my hands on a used one then. If I just wanted to replace my 5th gear in my 3g do I just need the mainshaft gear?

[Toohardtohandle]

Thanks Bit for the insight:) I know this is going to be a stupid question...but what car does the B18 come from? Yeah, yeah...I know, I know...what a tard.

[MessyHonda]

Thanks Bit for the insight:) I know this is going to be a stupid question...but what car does the B18 come from? Yeah, yeah...I know, I know...what a tard.



its cool man....they came in 90-93 tegs.

[DDRaptor]

yeah shorter gears= faster but your MPG goes down.....the integra gears you will be doing 60mph @3000 rpm


err with my exhaust i get to 60 at around the first line after 2k thats 2,250??
thats in my 4th gear cause i have an :crying: auto.

[MessyHonda]

err with my exhaust i get to 60 at around the first line after 2k thats 2,250??
thats in my 4th gear cause i have an :crying: auto.



yeah you can use the 1-4 teg gears and then the accord 5th gear...im thinking about doing the swap my self since my tranny is about to go out.

[snoopyloopy]

hey, maybe i'm late to the party. but the teg tranny, will the a20 bellhousing bolt to it like the a20 bolts to the jdm b18a tranny?

[MessyHonda]

hey, maybe i'm late to the party. but the teg tranny, will the a20 bellhousing bolt to it like the a20 bolts to the jdm b18a tranny?



i would use the integra tranny since they have bigger passages for the oil.

[snoopyloopy]

yeah, but if it doesn't bolt to the a20 engine, you're kinda stuck unless you get the a20 bellhousing on the integra tranny. but does that work?

[MessyHonda]

yeah, but if it doesn't bolt to the a20 engine, you're kinda stuck unless you get the a20 bellhousing on the integra tranny. but does that work?


yup thats how i think its done...a20 bell housing and the integra gear housing.

[snoopyloopy]

yup thats how i think its done...a20 bell housing and the integra gear housing.
sweet. i was under the impression from the how-to that it's the teg gears in the accord housing. so this could make life even better. :)

[Estimated Prophet]

sweet. i was under the impression from the how-to that it's the teg gears in the accord housing. so this could make life even better. :)

It is

[AccordB20A]

yo snoopppy i think i found u a gearbox oi lol... if the guy txts me back about the car...... sadly its a b20a box not a b18 so yeah shipping it will be quite a fanny

[A20A1]

Worth a look if you're thinking of changing your gears.
http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58619

[snoopyloopy]

yo snoopppy i think i found u a gearbox oi lol... if the guy txts me back about the car...... sadly its a b20a box not a b18 so yeah shipping it will be quite a fanny
:rockon: doesn't matter to me so much. just stick it in the pile w/ the engine and axles. although isn't the passenger side axle the same? so then i really just need the d/s axle.