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thegreatdane
05-17-2007, 07:15 AM
Iíve had my Aerodeck sitting in a garage ever since I got it, which is more than 2 years ago now, just waiting to get some attention. Short after I bought the Aerodeck I found and bought my 2.0i-16 sedan leaving the Aerodeck in neglect since the sedan was the car I really wanted in the first place.
Sitting for more than 2 years has caused some rust to develop but most of whatís there was already there when I got it, itís just worse than I thought.
Iím going to junk my prelude daily driver very soon so thatís why I have decided to give life to the Aerodeck. To be able to register it here in Denmark I have to pay tax of its value (decided by an instance of the public) because I bought the car in Germany and of course the car must be able to pass inspection. The car is born with an A20A3 engine but Iím going to swap in a B20A to be able to register it as B20A Accord.
Several things on the car are going to get addressed. The brakes are seized, both rear wheel well arches have some rust which was exposed when I removed the rubber lining, left side inner doorpanel rusted, and lots of surface rust on the rearmost underbody. Lots of small dents and scratches in the paint caused by the roof in the garage falling down on it in a storm lol.

So in the following time Iíll try to update with some pics of what Iím doing.

When I first got the car in 2004:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/e11b16b7f5hdl6s/aero11.jpg?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dhtw1mu2dxtd2yk/aero10.jpg?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/e7vg94z67njjjay/aero9.jpg?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gsodz0asjx5dz7f/aero6.jpg?raw=1

Rear suspension and fueltank removed to reveal the infected areas:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8piji3j8kg5sbty/IMGP1070.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fsszbpcvu3whri1/IMGP1063.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/waniplnkq5ijhl3/IMGP1064.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1do5tgfickci3bb/IMGP1069.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/xjq11d93549z55a/IMGP1071.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zqzsv8c8lv8ps6o/IMGP1073.JPG?raw=1

thegreatdane
05-17-2007, 07:17 AM
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y3ct79dsb0kcu5c/IMGP1065.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ab4t9qb4tvq7gw/IMGP1068.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bn2cez9jpnju09v/IMGP1074.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/yohby6w2tufo5o6/IMGP1067.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pb6qaqe4pk7haw2/IMGP1076.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/z6vzs15cyjuse4h/IMGP1078.JPG?raw=1

The rear crossmember is also suffering from a lot of surface rust:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/leowl0j3istg6cr/IMGP1075.JPG?raw=1

Getting ready to sandblast in a suit thatís a bit too short :D

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cwlte8clq42ja4m/IMGP1079.JPG?raw=1

After sandblasting:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t365a4d8ol5aolt/IMGP1088.JPG?raw=1

thegreatdane
05-17-2007, 07:17 AM
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1h9mz6h3x5fvfo4/IMGP1089.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/c64ilwk3757a287/IMGP1090.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/w875qukfyca9nhr/IMGP1091.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i237hmbdlmhwi7k/IMGP1092.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9k04yh35s4ao8ww/IMGP1093.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3xdbnhqy5mi36e5/IMGP1094.JPG?raw=1

Getting ready to cut away the old:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xyu5mx0ekh2v0w4/IMGP1097.JPG?raw=1

In the process of chipping a P28 with the moates chipping kit:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qucuwal6uayqd5o/IMGP1062.JPG?raw=1

mkymonkey
05-17-2007, 07:58 AM
wow, i didnt know you had an aerodeck! i say swap the enigne in your sedan into that! :D

MessyHonda
05-17-2007, 08:01 AM
wow nice.....good thing you got rid of the rust because it made it look ugly

MECM
05-17-2007, 08:06 AM
I still think that I am really lucky that my car was and is in the shape it is now. Its crazy how much these can rust. Project is coming along well. are you planning on sand blasting the whole car or just under the car?

carotman
05-17-2007, 08:16 AM
I love the suit man!!

I have to do the same thing to my Accord hatch. The only difference is that I don't have access to a car lift :(

What kind of air compressor do you have? YOu sandblasted a good part of the underbody. It looks great now!

You should treat it with an anti-rust paint (like POR-15 or something similar in Denmark)

guaynabo89
05-17-2007, 09:32 AM
definately

some sealer and undercoating would do nice.

Is that your garage?

Progress looks good, along with the pictures.

looks like the drivers side is pretty bad. its amazing how much surface rust the underbody had. good thing you are taking care of it cause if not it would have eaten the car away lol.

2ndGenGuy
05-17-2007, 09:49 AM
Holy rusted metal, Batman! Nice work you've got going there! I was also going to ask if that was your garage, because it's one hell of a nice setup!

Keep up the good work! I think it will look as sharp as your sedan. :thumbup:

Hans
05-17-2007, 10:00 AM
Nice, it's looking really good man. What are the two circles in the metal above the rear cross member?

carotman
05-17-2007, 12:54 PM
Nice, it's looking really good man. What are the two circles in the metal above the rear cross member?
These are the access holes for the fuel pump and the Fuel sender unit.

thegreatdane
05-17-2007, 01:27 PM
Thanks guys :)


I love the suit man!!
I have to do the same thing to my Accord hatch. The only difference is that I don't have access to a car lift :(
What kind of air compressor do you have? YOu sandblasted a good part of the underbody. It looks great now!
You should treat it with an anti-rust paint (like POR-15 or something similar in Denmark)

THanks, for a reasonable amount I might consider selling you the suit lol
I dont know what air compressor it is, some kind of industrial compressor I guess, but it's capable of delivering a lot of air flow and pressure continuesly which is what you need to do some decent sandblasting. I painted it with an antirust/primer paint which is the red paint you can see in one of the last pics. I'm going to paint it with regular paint on top of that and in the end it will be treated with an oil/wax treatment.

thegreatdane
05-18-2007, 04:25 AM
wow, i didnt know you had an aerodeck! i say swap the enigne in your sedan into that! :D

It wont be getting the sedan engine. For now.. But it will be getting a stock B20A engine to start off with.


I still think that I am really lucky that my car was and is in the shape it is now. Its crazy how much these can rust. Project is coming along well. are you planning on sand blasting the whole car or just under the car?

Mainly just the rear portion of the underbody. The rest of the car doesnt have any rust except from a few spots.


definately

some sealer and undercoating would do nice.

Is that your garage?

Progress looks good, along with the pictures.

looks like the drivers side is pretty bad. its amazing how much surface rust the underbody had. good thing you are taking care of it cause if not it would have eaten the car away lol.

It's not my garage, I stole a corner of the shop I work at.
Yea the rust areas I'm taking care of now are the weakest points of the 3rd gens, and will usually always be the areas you need to start loking for rust in first in a 3g.


I have to do the same thing to my Accord hatch. The only difference is that I don't have access to a car lift

Sandblasting is messy as hell and you need a crap load of sand. I used approximately 60kg for this lol.

A18A
05-18-2007, 04:44 AM
Sandblasting is messy as hell and you need a crap load of sand. I used approximately 60kg for this lol.
is that garage near a beach? :naughty: hehe

epic1400cs
05-19-2007, 01:46 PM
Nice project! Great thread for us Aerodeck owners - funny most of the aerodeck I know, include mine, have bad rust on the left rear arch rather than right. Seems like you have managed to get hold of rear arch repair panel. Will you replace the side sill as well? Good luck and look forward the great finish. I like the 5 spoke wheel by the way.

thegreatdane
05-20-2007, 10:47 AM
Thank you. Yes I bought patch panels for both rear arches and also a new fuel tank and fuel filler neck. (not oem honda). For the left side I will be replacing a long part of the inner side sill, a small part of the outer side sill(doorpanel), lower part of the panel that holds the fuel filler neck and a big part of the inner wheel arch. I will have to handmake all of those panel parts except from the outer patch panel ofcourse.
I dont fancy those 5 spoke alloys all that much myself to be honest, but I figure they can make for a good set of winter wheels.

Btw. let me know when you hear anything about that spoiler :)



is that garage near a beach? :naughty: hehe

not according to my definition of near lol. But the sand you use must be clean and properly sized, so beach sand right off the beach wouldnt be recommendable.

thegreatdane
06-07-2007, 11:56 AM
picture update..

cutting it to shreds:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vp28bqaaueuo78f/Billede%20001.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gj3atujoonfjbty/Billede%20002.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vkxq318um55mkl4/Billede%20004.jpg?raw=1

Stitching it back together:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ns4oouy5ufi3mak/Billede%20006.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vpbp1b93m3hyx3g/Billede%20007.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p8z2s1shdbh2861/Billede%20009.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/z8u36gvpg2x51k7/Billede%20017.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qfhpf2k5v7a5ury/Billede%20013.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/trp3kczi69f193i/Billede%20014.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rglwiorl8synjtd/Billede%20015.jpg?raw=1

thegreatdane
06-07-2007, 11:56 AM
https://www.dropbox.com/s/apsmlcd6lgcl40i/Billede%20010.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gjhbl73ttr9tf1r/Billede%20016.jpg?raw=1



It's taking a while getting properly rid of that rust. I'm putting on a new left side doorpanel afterall. The old one wasnt worth it to put back on.

guaynabo89
06-07-2007, 12:34 PM
looking good

about how long until you are done patching it up?

Is this gona get special attention in the looks and engine dept? :)

Legend_master
06-07-2007, 01:29 PM
I dont know how I missed this thread, but it looks like you project is coming along nicely. Good job :thumbup: .

MessyHonda
06-07-2007, 10:49 PM
nice man. its almost a new car

Hazwan
06-07-2007, 11:01 PM
Nice work.

I've been wondering for a while though, will the properly welded panel last for a long time? I've seen many half assed work starting to rust again after few years.

Ichiban
06-07-2007, 11:32 PM
Hey, I don't know if you've seen these threads or not but check 'em out:

http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51210

and,

http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57373

We've done a lot of similar work, unfortunately a bunch of pics are on my phone, and I can't seem to get them off.

Enjoy.

thegreatdane
06-08-2007, 03:31 AM
looking good
about how long until you are done patching it up?
Is this gona get special attention in the looks and engine dept? :)

I figure at least about 2 weeks more from now to get the rest of the rust sorted out. Then there's a bunch of other things I want to get done after that. Engine wise it's starting out on a stock B20A running OBD1 with crome, and later on it's going to get some more N/A power :) Regarding the looks I'm not sure yet how much I want to do, but I can promise that there wont be any toofasttoofurious rice styling if I can help it. It's getting a new paintjob obviously, I have no idea yet what color to paint it though. Any suggestions anyone?


I dont know how I missed this thread, but it looks like you project is coming along nicely. Good job :thumbup: .

Yea how could you! lol Thanks though!


nice man. its almost a new car

thanks it will be


Nice work.

I've been wondering for a while though, will the properly welded panel last for a long time? I've seen many half assed work starting to rust again after few years.

It all depends on the thoroughness of the job being done. You need to make sure that you remove all of the rust and dont cut any corners (not litterally speaking ofcourse lol). You also need to make sure that the weld is sealed off properly afterwards. You can never make a 100% perfect weld with a mig/mag welder, there's always going to be tiny tiny holes in the weld. So if the weld isnt sealed off properly before the paint is applied, then moist will be able to penetrate from the other side of the panel through these tiny holes and make it rust again.
To seal it off you can use either a filler intended for this or you can apply tin (Stannum) to the welds which is in my opinion is by far the best option and is probably what I will get done to mine but I cant do it myself.
It's also important to treat the inside of the panels with an anti rust oil product afterwards. This will seal the inside of the welds.



Hey, I don't know if you've seen these threads or not but check 'em out:

http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51210

and,

http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57373

We've done a lot of similar work, unfortunately a bunch of pics are on my phone, and I can't seem to get them off.

Enjoy.

I've seen your welding thread, and it definately looks like some nice work. Something you dont see much of on this board, the body repairs on here are often being performed with fiberglass instead lol which I -no offence- dont consider a repair. The other thread I havent seen. It looks like we enjoy doing the same kind of work.

carotman
06-08-2007, 07:30 AM
Nice job!

Looks time consuming tough.... This scares me a bit for my next project

Ichiban
06-09-2007, 03:28 AM
We have a product marketed by Pro-form that is basically a greasy wax which is perfect for treating the backsides of the panels, but how do you apply tin? Is it like body lead or solder?

guaynabo89
06-09-2007, 05:31 AM
sounds good.

keep them pics coming

what about that styleauto kit?

that be real nice :)

thegreatdane
06-09-2007, 05:32 AM
Yes it's basically like solder. Body lead might be what you call it though? Our body tin used to contain lead, but since lead is forbidden to use now, it's been replaced by something else.

To apply it you first treat the panel with a fluid we call flus that let's the tin attach to the metal and then you smear on the tin. and you need to heat up the panel with a torch first ofcourse to melt the tin.

reanimator420
06-09-2007, 05:42 AM
nice work. its nice to see that there is still plenty of love for these cars.

thegreatdane
06-09-2007, 05:43 AM
sounds good.
keep them pics coming
what about that styleauto kit?
that be real nice :)

I might get a styleauto rear bumper, and maybe see If something can be done with that and some fiberglass but I'm not sure. I'm not all that crazy about the entire styleauto kit.

Tomisimo
06-09-2007, 07:22 AM
I figure at least about 2 weeks more from now to get the rest of the rust sorted out. Then there's a bunch of other things I want to get done after that. Engine wise it's starting out on a stock B20A running OBD1 with crome, and later on it's going to get some more N/A power Regarding the looks I'm not sure yet how much I want to do, but I can promise that there wont be any toofasttoofurious rice styling if I can help it. It's getting a new paintjob obviously, I have no idea yet what color to paint it though. Any suggestions anyone?

Yeah...
Arctic White. Like thet Subaru
http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k313/Tomisimo/20904web.jpg

Tomisimo
06-09-2007, 07:28 AM
Do You know anything about Standox arenge paint leasons in Denmark?

thegreatdane
06-09-2007, 12:25 PM
No I havent heard anything about something like that, I'm just going to leave the painting to the pro's.

I always wanted to get it painted white with pearl but now I'm not so sure anymore. That white looks good though. I've been thinking about something like the Integra championship white color too.

epic1400cs
06-09-2007, 12:53 PM
I can promise that there wont be any toofasttoofurious rice styling if I can help it. It's getting a new paintjob obviously, I have no idea yet what color to paint it though. Any suggestions anyone?
I like the idea. I think aerodeck already has nice styling without any neon light or lambo door. (it has lambo rear hatch anyway!)
For colour, how about this - this is the most original JDM aerodeck colour and used in advert and catalogues extensively. I had this colour on my previous aerodeck and I love it very much.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/783000-783999/783843_202_full.jpg

or top black and bottom gun metalic - below is an image from Mugen advert in Japan at that time.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/783000-783999/783843_203_full.jpg

or I would stick with that original full black colour - I believe that is part of being Special Edition.
But after extensive panel jobs, black might be a bit tricky because the reflection will be very clear so the smoothness of the body is very demanding.

Hazwan
06-09-2007, 02:54 PM
Alright, how do you protect the backside of the welded panel in hard to reach areas?

Ichiban
06-09-2007, 03:45 PM
With this:http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=1119&itemType=PRODUCT&RS=1&keyword=heavy+duty+anti+rust

thegreatdane
06-10-2007, 10:53 AM
I like the idea. I think aerodeck already has nice styling without any neon light or lambo door. (it has lambo rear hatch anyway!)
For colour, how about this - this is the most original JDM aerodeck colour and used in advert and catalogues extensively. I had this colour on my previous aerodeck and I love it very much.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/783000-783999/783843_202_full.jpg

or top black and bottom gun metalic - below is an image from Mugen advert in Japan at that time.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/783000-783999/783843_203_full.jpg

or I would stick with that original full black colour - I believe that is part of being Special Edition.
But after extensive panel jobs, black might be a bit tricky because the reflection will be very clear so the smoothness of the body is very demanding.


Must have roof spoiler!!! :) I havent seen any mugen aerodeck pictures before, do you have any more of those?

My number one choice to approve the looks would be to get the 87-88 type rear and front bumper and then add a front and a rear lip. But getting one of those rear bumpers is most likely very impossible.

I've always been more fond of the 1 color paint scheme for the aerodeck instead of the typical 2 color JDM scheme. If it were to be black again it would have to be some sort of special black, but I think black is too "quiet" in the long run.

epic1400cs
06-10-2007, 11:21 AM
Must have roof spoiler!!! :) I havent seen any mugen aerodeck pictures before, do you have any more of those?

My number one choice to approve the looks would be to get the 87-88 type rear and front bumper and then add a front and a rear lip. But getting one of those rear bumpers is most likely very impossible.

I've always been more fond of the 1 color paint scheme for the aerodeck instead of the typical 2 color JDM scheme. If it were to be black again it would have to be some sort of special black, but I think black is too "quiet" in the long run. This is the only one pic from Mugen. I will ask my mentor in Japan if he has anyother stock.
87-88 rear bumper is very hard to come by - even in Japan, aerodeck is very rare in junk yard.
Ofcourse, you can buy brand new but it will be phenomenally expensive.

Ok, so you like mono tone.
How about it - it is gun metal mono tone I think.
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/783000-783999/783843_204_full.jpg

Other contemporary colour might be interesting but honestly speaking I dont have good sense for colour:violin:

thegreatdane
06-10-2007, 11:38 AM
And I'm very difficult to please lol. I was actually just looking at a charcoal grey color, and it doesnt look too shabby.

epic1400cs
06-11-2007, 07:39 AM
And I'm very difficult to please lol. I was actually just looking at a charcoal grey color, and it doesnt look too shabby.
Normally I am not into flashy colouring but this one is well finished.
http://www.vcv.lt/garazas/Nerka/Honda%20accord%20aerodeck.jpg

thegreatdane
06-13-2007, 11:04 AM
That does look pretty good and that's a nice lip/bodykit this person has managed to photoshop. I dont think I would ever get a car painted like that although it looks good, it's not "me" if you know what I mean.

I would seriuosly consider bying that kit though if it was made, at least the sideskirts, I really like those.

A18A
06-13-2007, 04:20 PM
that is seriously a good photoshop :D

kubior
06-20-2007, 12:33 AM
Is there any progress??

thegreatdane
06-21-2007, 02:30 PM
Well yes, a little progress.

Finished welding in the panels. It takes a very long time making all those spotwelds, making sure that the panels keep cool so they dont stretch and warp.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cstbdzrahhpk7mn/Billede%20019.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/j9qro17b3lfruul/Billede%20021.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fxj2bkpte9rel93/Billede%20020.jpg?raw=1

After grinding down the welds. Now this side is finished.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8d3uijnx9wjvvwg/Billede%20022.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/t57r5fyspzqx7ph/Billede%20023.jpg?raw=1

The right wheel arch is in much better shape. A lot less work is required here.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rvkqq6nviy1dn0y/Billede%20024.jpg?raw=1



I might be getting another set of red Koni dampers so I have a set to put on the aerodeck. I found a person who has got a used set.

I think I'm going to remove the keyhole for the trunk hatch. I'm also removing the round sidemarkers (europe thing) in the fenders like I did with my sedan.

epic1400cs
06-21-2007, 07:14 PM
Thats seriously time consuming butterfly joint you did.
Thats the best way to joint the panel.
Did you use MIG or TIG?
If that is MIG, it is amazing that you have very little warp there.
Excellent job!

thegreatdane
06-22-2007, 03:08 AM
Thanks, it's very very time consuming. I used a MIG welder for this. We call it edge to edge welding. Butterfly joint must be the term for that?

Hazwan
06-22-2007, 03:38 AM
Thats sweet man. I wish I can weld :(

epic1400cs
06-22-2007, 02:14 PM
Thanks, it's very very time consuming. I used a MIG welder for this. We call it edge to edge welding. Butterfly joint must be the term for that? Yeah, I can imagine it is time consuming to wait each spot to cool down every time!
Yes, they call it butterfly or butt joint (at least in England if I understand correctly) because it is like jointing two plate or sheets edge to edge with no overlap like buttefly's two wings.

Do you mind if I ask how will you treat the back of the welding seam - will you treat with wax type unti-rust chemicals or will you paint with long nossle or something?
When I treat wax to the rear wing from cabin after removing the rear trim, I could see the inside of rear fender but couldn't see the wheel arch (where inner and outer meet together) because the space is very narrow.
I sprayed the wax as much as I could but if I repair this seciton like you do, I will want to spray zinc paint or something so there is little possibility of rust in the future.
I might be doing this near future so I am very curious.

Great job :rockon:

thegreatdane
06-23-2007, 01:03 PM
First a very thin penetrating anti rust product that seeps through even the smallest joints will be sprayed in there using a thin long hard tube with a nozzle with a large spraypattern at the end. It lets you get in everywhere in the panels if you just drill a few holes here and there. After that you spray a thicker substance in there to seal it up. This product may be some sort of a wax substance or a substance that's more like a thick oil.

It's impossible to paint the backside of the welds or at least to do it properly. But you're right, antirust primer paint with zinc is good to protect against rust. But should still be treated with anti rust products if painted.
So are you planning on taking on the rust repair yourself or let someone else do it?

epic1400cs
06-23-2007, 01:43 PM
Ah, so you use thin spray first and then thick one. Thats sounds excellent idea. Thanks for your input!

I am not sure if I do it my self or ask shop to do it for me - depend on how much time/money/garage space I can have.
I wish to have a lot of time to enjoy working on the body work over the summer.

kubior
07-18-2007, 11:51 AM
How is the work going

thegreatdane
08-24-2007, 10:27 AM
slow lol. Still need to get some rust work done. here's the latest thing I worked on:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/473l4qpbcmdyzcl/IMGP1416.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xkm9ilctca3dk52/IMGP1417.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jnwh0jnw36zqvvq/IMGP1418.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rx5lb2p3f8j3m4z/IMGP1421.JPG?raw=1

Legend_master
08-24-2007, 10:32 AM
That is awsome, I might think about doing that with my battery

A18A
08-24-2007, 04:33 PM
yeah thats pretty cool

Tomisimo
08-25-2007, 02:38 AM
Nice Relocate and looks innovative , but would it be beater for weight distribution if You mount it in the rear?

edit: Those drawings I've send You!! What do You think about them.
Just for the record. i Only You have seeing those...

mushroom_toy
08-25-2007, 07:06 AM
I would hate to get into an impact in that area. Not only is there a heavier object to do more damage....but you're battery would be fucked too.

A18A
08-25-2007, 07:55 AM
the battery would probably 1 of the minor problems if he crashed it bad enough to harm it?

thegreatdane
08-25-2007, 11:32 AM
Thanks guys! I used a fairly small battery, the smallest one we had in stock anyway. The battery frame just barely fits behind the inner fender/bumper. I removed the horn bracket to be able to move the battery far enough towards the front of the car. The battery frame is also only bolted to the car, nothing is welded on, so it's easy to remove again. To remove the battery you just have to undo the front part of the plastic inner fender. I'll be placing some sort of battery positive terminal inside the engine bay so I'll be able to use jumpstart cables and disconnect the battery easily. I just need to find a suited terminal for that. Tips are welcome!



Nice Relocate and looks innovative , but would it be beater for weight distribution if You mount it in the rear?

edit: Those drawings I've send You!! What do You think about them.
Just for the record. i Only You have seeing those...


Thanks! Regarding the weight distribution I would really rather keep the battery in the front since it's a FWD car, but the difference it makes being in the front or the back is so insignificant that I dont care about it anyways. I just dont like the idea of clogging up the trunk space with a battery and having a hella long battery positive wire running through the car. And where it's located now is the same place as where it used to be, it's just at a lower point which is even better if you take the gravity center point into consideration, but again the difference is insignificant.

Sorry about your pm, I was in a hurry when I read it so I forgot to reply to you. will get back to it now.


I would hate to get into an impact in that area. Not only is there a heavier object to do more damage....but you're battery would be fucked too.

As A18A points out, the battery would be the least of my worries if that happens. And a battery doesnt cost a lot either.

kubior
09-19-2007, 10:08 AM
And now? Any progres? We are keeping fingers crossed in poland;)

thegreatdane
09-20-2007, 01:43 PM
I'm sandblasting and painting some suspension stuff and crossmembers. It's pretty expencive in paint.. I use hammerite smooth paint. replaced the small panels underneath the taillights und repaired some other various rust spots in the rear. I'm also in the process of replacing and repairing the crossmember underneath the radiator. The rust had also infected that area. all in all theres a LOOOOOT of work to be done still.

epic1400cs
09-20-2007, 01:49 PM
Good to hear that the project is still on!
Hammerite is old but very good rust proof paint.
Actually it is also my dream to repaint all the under chasis with Hammerite so that I dont have to worry about it next 10 years!

thegreatdane
09-20-2007, 01:57 PM
the project has never been off lol, there's just so many things to take care of when your as thourough as I am. -which is really annoying because it draws out everything lol.
I'm actually painting probably the rear half of the underbody with hammerite smooth also. I just need to get another rubbercoat/sealant that's thicker than what I have now to spray inside the fenders and such before I paint it.

Oh and I also bought an old '91 ford sierra to replace my prelude lol. A Sierra is just a hiddeous car haha but it drives and it's RWD :p

epic1400cs
09-21-2007, 12:59 AM
The difference between you and me is that you do it thoroughly where as I think thoroughly and I forget to do it :violin:

What a amazing choice - from Prelude to Sierra!?
Like McLaren F1 to Tractor with 5 seats j/k
No, sierra is great car with racing back ground, I have read that it is popular among UK car builders as parts donor car.

knarg
09-21-2007, 01:28 AM
where is your CAI going to go!?!??! O_O

MessyHonda
09-21-2007, 01:42 AM
Oh and I also bought an old '91 ford sierra to replace my prelude lol. A Sierra is just a hiddeous car haha but it drives and it's RWD :p



man poor lude...so you didnt get around to fix it?

thegreatdane
09-21-2007, 04:17 AM
The difference between you and me is that you do it thoroughly where as I think thoroughly and I forget to do it :violin:

What a amazing choice - from Prelude to Sierra!?
Like McLaren F1 to Tractor with 5 seats j/k
No, sierra is great car with racing back ground, I have read that it is popular among UK car builders as parts donor car.


lol thats a quite precise comparison really :) it certainly handles like a tractor, hmm perhaps maybe even worse hehe.



knarg, what CAI are you referring to?

Messy, after I damaged the lude I fixed it enough to be driveable and drove it until now. But now it needs to go get it's 2 years safety inspection, and It's really not suited to pass that and it's not worth it either so after I've removed the engine I'm junking it.

MessyHonda
09-21-2007, 09:15 AM
Messy, after I damaged the lude I fixed it enough to be driveable and drove it until now. But now it needs to go get it's 2 years safety inspection, and It's really not suited to pass that and it's not worth it either so after I've removed the engine I'm junking it.


ok good keep that b20....i remember seeing it over at prelude power.

Tomisimo
09-21-2007, 12:01 PM
hehe.. Sierra is a nice choice ))) loved to drive my friends one, full Cosworth styling and wide body as well. LoL... Now you'll need a Cossie 2L ;) They are awesome engines, DualCarb = 200/250HP. QuadCarb = 500HP hehe, But its pane in the ass to get them synchronized.

Gemini2003
09-21-2007, 10:40 PM
Wow that body works looks great... I know what your going thru :-) Except it looks like you know what your doing and I'm a learner!

Looks awesome.

thegreatdane
09-28-2007, 06:21 AM
hehe.. Sierra is a nice choice ))) loved to drive my friends one, full Cosworth styling and wide body as well. LoL... Now you'll need a Cossie 2L ;) They are awesome engines, DualCarb = 200/250HP. QuadCarb = 500HP hehe, But its pane in the ass to get them synchronized.


pimping out a sierra is the last thing I would do on this earth lol :D



Wow that body works looks great... I know what your going thru :-) Except it looks like you know what your doing and I'm a learner!

Looks awesome.

thanks! You may be a learner but you've done a lot of nice work yourself! Now lets suffer together from the mental stress of our projects :)

thegreatdane
09-28-2007, 06:45 AM
Aight, heres some new aerodeck pictures

Sealed, rubber coated and painted:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p5semvd5s3ikh8f/IMGP1435.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dbf7gv2zpgpvu5h/IMGP1436.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vjc6i5ddylep6l5/IMGP1437.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/62bl9aoqnshka9d/IMGP1438.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4p1nx0dg4sqxm59/IMGP1439.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zn39n6yuzjbf602/IMGP1442.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3t8szwobd25a2us/IMGP1447.JPG?raw=1

some rustwork in the rear end and new panels under the taillights

https://www.dropbox.com/s/36xcz8z1lrlziqh/IMGP1446.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fp6piunq2c5fbv4/IMGP1440.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qtb3me2vpvdk3m1/IMGP1441.JPG?raw=1

thegreatdane
09-28-2007, 06:53 AM
New door. the other was filled with massive amounts of bondo and underneath the bondo was? yep thats right, lots of creepy rust

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jrz4kmmfkwhoi07/IMGP1443.JPG?raw=1

more stupid rust. Here in the front crossmember. you can see the new one from honda in the top of the last picture.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/v70q2q0e7rk0q4r/IMGP1445.JPG?raw=1

enginebay stripped

https://www.dropbox.com/s/f22syrf7tn20b89/IMGP1444.JPG?raw=1

Tomisimo
09-28-2007, 07:25 AM
NiiiiCe...
The Great Work. I have suggestion to U my friend... LoL
Why dont You shave side moldings while you at it with a body. or You want to keep it stock? all round.?


http://thegreatdane.homepage.dk/aerodeck/58.jpg

carotman
09-28-2007, 10:24 AM
That's awesome work!!

This is a really nice restauration project! I know that front lower radiator support can rust to pieces. Mist have been a pain to drill all those spot welds.

Oh, don't forget to make that square hole in the back for the bumper support. You only have the bottom one now since you rewelded new sheets of metal.

guaynabo89
09-28-2007, 12:51 PM
looking great.

how log do you think its gonna take u to completely finish?

A18A
09-28-2007, 05:28 PM
that is just so damn awesome!!!!

2oodoor
09-28-2007, 05:58 PM
that is just so damn awesome!!!!

speechless, so ^^^^ ditto

well said A18A

Hazwan
09-28-2007, 07:59 PM
that is just so damn awesome!!!!

x2!

Can't wait to see its done!!

Cheeseburger
09-29-2007, 03:08 AM
looking good!

thegreatdane
09-29-2007, 03:40 AM
Thanks alot guys!


NiiiiCe...
The Great Work. I have suggestion to U my friend... LoL
Why dont You shave side moldings while you at it with a body. or You want to keep it stock? all round.?

I dont want to keep it stock, but I'm not going to shave the sidemouldings. It's a huge task to weld them shut and I'm afraid I wouldnt be able to make both sides symmetric.


That's awesome work!!

This is a really nice restauration project! I know that front lower radiator support can rust to pieces. Mist have been a pain to drill all those spot welds.

Oh, don't forget to make that square hole in the back for the bumper support. You only have the bottom one now since you rewelded new sheets of metal.

Thats a very sharp observation :) I didnt make them yet because I couldnt decide if I should trust my measurements of where it should be or wait untill I can line it up together with the bumper. But I think it's mostly because I was lazy.. I've marked up where the holes are supposed to be according to my measurements though.
Yea those spotwelds takes a while to drill out.


looking great.

how log do you think its gonna take u to completely finish?

I would like to get it done this year, but it wouldnt surprise me if it takes longer.

Tomisimo
09-29-2007, 08:01 AM
I dont want to keep it stock, but I'm not going to shave the sidemouldings. It's a huge task to weld them shut and I'm afraid I wouldnt be able to make both sides symmetric.


I agree with You on this one, not least those panels are wary thin, like 0.6 mm if not less than that. I'll probably gona remake mine. dnt really satisfied with my work.
About the engine, did You rebuild it at the same time as You work on the body or? I bet it going to look like ShowItem. all shiny and new.
Well. Keep on doing so You'll get it on the road this year :D

Civic Accord Honda
09-29-2007, 10:52 AM
wow looks really great

thegreatdane
09-29-2007, 12:02 PM
I agree with You on this one, not least those panels are wary thin, like 0.6 mm if not less than that. I'll probably gona remake mine. dnt really satisfied with my work.
About the engine, did You rebuild it at the same time as You work on the body or? I bet it going to look like ShowItem. all shiny and new.
Well. Keep on doing so You'll get it on the road this year :D

Hopefully :) but not likely hehe. Yes that's right I even forgot about the thin panels, you run a risk of warping the panels horribly, which then will require loads of bondo to make them straight again, and I dont like bondo... :)
Did you weld yours?

The old A20A3 engine wont be going back in. I plan on just installing one of my B20A's, which will get cleaned up and maybe get some new gaskets, but I'm not planning on any serious bling on the engine this first time around. but we'll see what happens, maybe I change my mind.

Tomisimo
09-29-2007, 01:14 PM
Hopefully :) but not likely hehe. Yes that's right I even forgot about the thin panels, you run a risk of warping the panels horribly, which then will require loads of bondo to make them straight again, and I dont like bondo... :)
Did you weld yours?

The old A20A3 engine wont be going back in. I plan on just installing one of my B20A's, which will get cleaned up and maybe get some new gaskets, but I'm not planning on any serious bling on the engine this first time around. but we'll see what happens, maybe I change my mind.

Yup, and not least while You weld, metal have tendency to wobble as well. Ouh, You mentioned it. LoL...
No i didn't weld mine thats why I will redo those, I just used FiberGlass Filler. Its strong substance, but if anything happen's at the maul for instance, someone bump in to me, it will crack. So now I'm looking for a garage and a parts car... But its least of my problems, I just noticed that cancer spread on passenger side, under rear wheel arch, so I need to do this as well.
I have a request for You. If you can find part number for me on that black box, that goes behind digidash, I'll might find, by part,nr. in Japan. Can you do it for me?
Thanks :D

thegreatdane
09-30-2007, 12:40 PM
Yup, and not least while You weld, metal have tendency to wobble as well. Ouh, You mentioned it. LoL...
No i didn't weld mine thats why I will redo those, I just used FiberGlass Filler. Its strong substance, but if anything happen's at the maul for instance, someone bump in to me, it will crack. So now I'm looking for a garage and a parts car... But its least of my problems, I just noticed that cancer spread on passenger side, under rear wheel arch, so I need to do this as well.
I have a request for You. If you can find part number for me on that black box, that goes behind digidash, I'll might find, by part,nr. in Japan. Can you do it for me?
Thanks :D

I can look it up for you when I get time to intall my JDM EPC, but I very much doubt you can get it new from honda. I've requested other parts of that setup from honda, and nothing was available.
If anyone reeaaly wants a digi dash I suggest looking into an s2k cluster instead. they are much more simple. I helped out a friend install one in his '91 civic and that was a breeze, compared to my own digi dash.

Tomisimo
09-30-2007, 09:58 PM
I can look it up for you when I get time to intall my JDM EPC, but I very much doubt you can get it new from honda. I've requested other parts of that setup from honda, and nothing was available.
If anyone reeaaly wants a digi dash I suggest looking into an s2k cluster instead. they are much more simple. I helped out a friend install one in his '91 civic and that was a breeze, compared to my own digi dash.

I was in to that idea actually :)) but wiring is my worst nightmare :( I need someone to guide me there. But I dont give up. It might just happened... Thanks m8 ;)

thegreatdane
10-01-2007, 10:34 AM
New goodridge brakelines with stainless fittings and TUV approval. One kit for each accord. paid £173 GBP ( ~$350 US) for everything. Seems like a very nice kit.

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1553/imgp1451vf7.jpg

thegreatdane
10-11-2007, 11:30 AM
https://www.dropbox.com/s/21mjd5ltn2meld1/IMGP1463.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xeblueoxh9gz39m/IMGP1452.JPG?raw=1

Can You figure out how it works?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/czm2clo9klqndbt/IMGP1453.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p0yh4d7a2h8m98w/IMGP1455.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/w8a4tb4x6h49q3a/IMGP1465.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bvpd14kbhrjvlbk/IMGP1464.JPG?raw=1


OMG!! where's it's face??!! OMG

https://www.dropbox.com/s/w5qwxc1jedv5vx2/IMGP1460.JPG?raw=1

Screw it, I'm replacing the entire rad support I decided. I didnt like all the rust spots it had everywhere. Here's the new one, which isnt from Honda so it wasnt so expencive.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/b01svngruxuxhkt/IMGP1461.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ctx07i7vyvkyojf/IMGP1462.JPG?raw=1

epic1400cs
10-11-2007, 12:01 PM
Screw it, I'm replacing the entire rad support I decided. I didnt like all the rust spots it had everywhere. Here's the new one, which isnt from Honda so it wasnt so expencive.

http://thegreatdane.homepage.dk/aerodeck/68.JPG


:omg: but :thumbup:

Hazwan
10-11-2007, 01:05 PM
hope the rad support fits right!

thegreatdane
10-11-2007, 01:07 PM
It does. Better than I had thought actually. Not perfect of course but close.

MessyHonda
10-11-2007, 02:00 PM
man you are build a 3gee all over again.

Tomisimo
10-11-2007, 11:18 PM
Screw it, I'm replacing the entire rad support I decided. I didnt like all the rust spots it had everywhere. Here's the new one, which isnt from Honda so it wasnt so expencive.


So what is it from? I was looking at mine a while ago, and was a bit disappointed.

thegreatdane
10-12-2007, 07:23 AM
It's from a company here in Denmark called NOR : http://www.nor-as.dk/
I think you have "Mekonomen" in Norway, right? They sell the parts from NOR.

Tomisimo
10-12-2007, 07:41 AM
It's from a company here in Denmark called NOR : http://www.nor-as.dk/
I think you have "Mekonomen" in Norway, right? They sell the parts from NOR.

This is correct, this is where my rockers/channels came from. only drawback is that they are not precut/fab. need to adjust, and cut where needed. How much did you spend on that front end?

thegreatdane
10-12-2007, 09:25 AM
I payed 2000 DKK but that was with a 31% discount.

guaynabo89
10-12-2007, 03:59 PM
looking good man keep it up.

A18A
10-12-2007, 04:21 PM
that fuse box relocation is amazing, the front of the car looks nice too :bow:

thegreatdane
10-13-2007, 01:19 AM
lol. The fusebox relocation is finished I just need to add the battery cables and wrap all the wires back up. I like where I placed the fusebox, since theres still room for the glovecompartment and the black plastic cover that sits above your feet to cover up the blower and the heater duct.

I made the glovecompartment so that it functions normally and when I need to acces the fusebox I just pull up the tab on each side of the glovebox, and then it opens up enough to allow access to the fusebox -as illustrated on the pics. And the glovebox light will provide the lighting needed to see what your doing when you need to replace a fuse. It's as if the fusebox was meant to sit there :) I cant access the lower main fuses though but I think I'll be alright.

Civic Accord Honda
10-13-2007, 07:03 PM
coolio

edit: w0oOo0t i got post 100 in this thread

1ajs
10-15-2007, 08:48 PM
nice you going to put a protective sheething over the cables? like the old harnes had?

A18A
10-15-2007, 09:14 PM
this is a future AOY :)

1ajs
10-16-2007, 06:04 PM
this is a future AOY :)

you can say that again :P

A18A
10-23-2007, 03:21 AM
this is a future AOY :)


but damn when i look at this car i wanna cry cause i wish i could do this to mine lo;

thegreatdane
10-23-2007, 12:06 PM
I wouldnt mind that :D

Yea, the harness will look just like stock when I'm done wrapping it up again.

Cheeseburger
10-27-2007, 01:24 AM
looking good bro!

kubior
11-04-2007, 06:41 AM
??

thegreatdane
11-04-2007, 11:42 AM
Been busy with my sedan lately but should see some progress the next 2 weeks.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/neoi1t4byjtucvs/IMGP1496.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/swflrtlfumrnjas/IMGP1498.JPG?raw=1

epic1400cs
11-04-2007, 11:54 AM
I admire your white 5 spoke wheels.
Looks like deep dish.
Can you educate me which make are they?

MessyHonda
11-04-2007, 07:11 PM
nice...i want more pics

Hazwan
11-04-2007, 07:29 PM
Yeah more pics!

A18A
11-04-2007, 07:37 PM
wow in a show room even :thumbup: :thumbup:

thegreatdane
11-10-2007, 10:52 AM
Sorry I havent got anymore pics from there. Maybe I can find some more online.


I admire your white 5 spoke wheels.
Looks like deep dish.
Can you educate me which make are they?

Thanks Yasu, the rims are made by Rota. The model is called JSPL. I bought them from rarerims in UK.

thegreatdane
11-10-2007, 11:46 AM
Might as well do some work in the enginebay while there's room to work on.
You can see how the wiring harness is wrapped up again. The enginebay ends of the harnesses wont get finalized before the car is getting put back together.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xo1ygbux5hxj9xp/IMGP1499.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p13rz1yfmvz3t4m/IMGP1500.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vxumww2bbc98z5i/IMGP1501.JPG?raw=1

Hauntd ca3
11-10-2007, 01:04 PM
your sedan looks shmick mate
fn awesome
hope mine looks that good wen finished
the areodeck looks like its comin along real well

A18A
11-10-2007, 04:08 PM
hey are you relocating the brake line prop valve thing?

thegreatdane
11-11-2007, 09:55 AM
your sedan looks shmick mate
fn awesome
hope mine looks that good wen finished
the areodeck looks like its comin along real well

thank you


hey are you relocating the brake line prop valve thing?

:wave: yeah, I am. I think the stock location is a bit silly.

A18A
11-11-2007, 03:44 PM
thats cool, i been wanting to do the same too, did you just bend the hard lines till you got it where you wanted? and the welded up holes look so nice, lol i wish i could do that ahha

thegreatdane
11-12-2007, 01:09 PM
Yes I managed to bend the old lines without getting any kinks or anything on them, but you have to be careful when you change the bends on steel lines. If I hadnt been able to get the old lines how I wanted I would have made my own lines, but the old ones had just the right length to reach where I wanted them to go.

I finished welding up the other side of the enginebay tonight. I'm probably going to start doing some rough bondo work in the enginebay tomorrow with fiberglass putty.

I've also relocated the powersteering reservoir.

thegreatdane
11-15-2007, 10:51 AM
First layer of bondo. Is supposed to close up the weldings. I'm most likely going to let the paintshop give it the finishing layer of bondo.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4nnsa6m0wc5g5j6/IMGP1502.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tg0fp6ygwkrds4y/IMGP1503.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/pv9bph2d9wd1atq/IMGP1505.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/oqlhi7hc4kbyk7s/IMGP1512.JPG?raw=1

carotman
11-15-2007, 01:03 PM
This car is going to be awesome. Was there any rust in that part of the car?

thegreatdane
11-15-2007, 02:33 PM
Only in the lower rad support. And inside the front wheel wells there's some small tabs that are used for holding the plastic inner fender in place. The lower one in each side was rusted away. And on the left side I replaced a small piece where the wheel well meets the kicker panel, it's where a plastic grommet used for holding the splash guards has it's place.

But no serious rust in the front end, only what was in the old rad support. Other than that it's just some very minor rust spots.

How's the hatch treating you?

A18A
11-15-2007, 06:23 PM
perfect!! :bow: :bow:

Civic Accord Honda
11-15-2007, 11:18 PM
Sexy

Hauntd ca3
11-15-2007, 11:28 PM
dont understand why you're doin the bondo in the engine bay eh dude
i like to think that we should do up our cars in a way that old man honda would approve of
we all know he was a mad keen racer
and with exception of the exterior appearance, the cars shoud tend toward the race car side of things.
dont get me wrong, i like a car to look good
i just dont see the point of doin show cars which it seems to me, you are doin.
but i spose we are entitled to our own interpretations eh

epic1400cs
11-16-2007, 06:50 AM
dont understand why you're doin the bondo in the engine bay eh dude
i like to think that we should do up our cars in a way that old man honda would approve of
we all know he was a mad keen racer
and with exception of the exterior appearance, the cars shoud tend toward the race car side of things.
dont get me wrong, i like a car to look good
i just dont see the point of doin show cars which it seems to me, you are doin.
but i spose we are entitled to our own interpretations eh
yeah, actually I was thinking of my aerodeck stripping out all the paint and undercoat in chemical bath, seam weld the mono coque(?), put roll cage in, replace all the wishbone with aluminium pipe, install MF204 formula engine plus safety tank to please Mr Soichiro Honda.


But I am still in doubt if that is really good idea cos I need to carry my son to kinder garden everyday :D

thegreatdane
11-16-2007, 10:45 AM
Baah, you'll like it when it's done, trust me :) But you may not see the big picture yet. Lot's of race cars have a clean enginebay. But it's always a question of compromises.

Epic1400cs, you'll have to give me a ride in that! :D And also sell me an extra copy of that aluminium suspension.

Hauntd ca3
11-16-2007, 11:18 AM
yeah, actually I was thinking of my aerodeck stripping out all the paint and undercoat in chemical bath, seam weld the mono coque(?), put roll cage in, replace all the wishbone with aluminium pipe, install MF204 formula engine plus safety tank to please Mr Soichiro Honda.


But I am still in doubt if that is really good idea cos I need to carry my son to kinder garden everyday :D

call me traditional but sochiro was a mad petrol head and racer far years.
the only company to be in f1 longer is ferrari.
i like to follow the same "race car" type of mods.
everything has a purpose and if it dont make the car work better, biff it.
but thats just my way of thinking.
and yes sem weld the monocoque
they only spotweld these bad boys together in the factory
you dont have to go nuts and weld every seam in the car.
the first one i did was just round the door frames.
my 3g is getting the full treatment
door frames, suspension towers, chassis rails etc
if i can get the mig at it, it'll ge welded
all in the never endeing quest of chassis stiffness.
toyig with the idea of a bolt in six point roll cage for doin sprints and hill climbs as well.
my 3g is my toy car tho
have the 5g h22a powered sir for my everyday car so it dont matter if its a bit of an arse to drive.

epic1400cs
11-16-2007, 01:05 PM
Baah, you'll like it when it's done, trust me :) But you may not see the big picture yet. Lot's of race cars have a clean enginebay. But it's always a question of compromises.

Epic1400cs, you'll have to give me a ride in that! :D And also sell me an extra copy of that aluminium suspension.
Haha, yes if I decided to go full on!

It is really the preference of the owner and there is nothing wrong with finishing the engine bay with skim of filler I think. If I make hardcore racing car then it doesn't matter if the bay looks full of patch but thegreatdane is making something custom for his preference.

Haunted, that is quite straight way of being motor sports man. I don't have any problem with that. I am looking forward to see your fully reinforced body with roll cage in. By the way, are you going to strip the entire undercoat or paint on the body in the chemical bath? Or your seam weld may not be good due to lots of sealant in between the seam of the panels. I have learned thats how they prepare competition cars.

By the way, Soichiro Honda was genius engineer who loved speed and motor sports but I haven't heard that he was a racer (correct me if I am wrong - which race was he in? cos before he started Suzuka, there was no racing circuit in Japan) He was very enthusiastic to pursue how far the motor bikes or cars he design and produced can cope with well established competitors.

Hauntd ca3
11-23-2007, 01:20 AM
rumour has it that old man honda was a bike racer first.
think he actually started in the bussiness baby sitting for the toyota family at the factory.
after ww2 he started a business making piston rings for toyota funnily enuff.
then started making motor bikes and like most manufacturers saw racing as the best advertising.
wasnt till the sixties that they got into f1 with i think was an air cooled v12 engine.
not terribly succesful that one.
like many maqnufacturers the only racing worth worrying about was in europe
suzuka was built as a test track same as the nurburgring was.
to most japanese manufacturers, the european market was the most important so thats where the company spent the time and money.
you willprob find that the states were one of the last markets to be entered into.
but back to the subject.
i'm only expresing my own opinion, i'm a bit of a purist .
if you are going to build a show car ,cool, make it look smooth as a babies arse if thats what you want
if you are going to build a car you can race, dont waste time,money and weight on smoothing out the engine bay,
spend it onmaking the car go as wel as it can.
i like what the great dane has done, it looks real good
dont get me wrong.
am sure it'll look good.
am not going to strip the car right back, dont have the cash for all that.
most comp teams will buy a shell from the factory and have no probs with all sealers that we have to put up with.
the only place you would run into sealers is round the roof and fire wall seams
not going o worry bout getting stupid bout welding round the rear guards etc.
just round the dor and window frames,chassis rails and susp pick up points.

the cage wont be a weld in job, just bolt in six pointwilth diagonal and side intrusion.

kubior
12-13-2007, 01:37 AM
Hello. Whole world is waiting;)

A18A
12-13-2007, 02:38 AM
^^sure is :)

thegreatdane
12-13-2007, 12:35 PM
I'm not dead yet :) Might snap a couple of new pics next week. Hopefully next week some perhaps more interesting progress will happen too.

I'm having a big issue finding a solution for my bumpers. It's impossible to get anything shipped over from the US it seems.

carotman
12-13-2007, 12:43 PM
It's impossible to get anything shipped over from the US it seems.

Why?

High Costs or just an hidden embargo? :D

I can ship you some stuff you need.

thegreatdane
12-13-2007, 02:46 PM
Thanks carotman. I suspect the hidden embargo lol.
I've emailed a couple of places about a certain bodykit but no respond.
I need an 88-89 front bumper as well, but I've only found one place willing to ship it and the shipping was ridiculous.
I also need a lot of small honda parts like bolts and clips, but none of the online honda parts dealers ships internationally. Parts from Honda are usually 50% cheaper in the US than here, so I could save a few bucks, but it looks like I*ll just have to pay up.

I would imagine that bumpers and a load of oem honda parts would be too much for you to handle carotman?
Tomorrow I'll talk to my local Honda dealer to see how many banks I would have to rob to order bumpers home from japan.

forrest89sei
12-13-2007, 10:14 PM
Thanks carotman. I suspect the hidden embargo lol.
I've emailed a couple of places about a certain bodykit but no respond.
I need an 88-89 front bumper as well, but I've only found one place willing to ship it and the shipping was ridiculous.
I also need a lot of small honda parts like bolts and clips, but none of the online honda parts dealers ships internationally. Parts from Honda are usually 50% cheaper in the US than here, so I could save a few bucks, but it looks like I*ll just have to pay up.

I would imagine that bumpers and a load of oem honda parts would be too much for you to handle carotman?
Tomorrow I'll talk to my local Honda dealer to see how many banks I would have to rob to order bumpers home from japan.

If you make a part list and pay in advance, I'd be willing help with shipping some new small oem parts if you want?

carotman
12-15-2007, 09:36 AM
I would imagine that bumpers and a load of oem honda parts would be too much for you to handle carotman?
Tomorrow I'll talk to my local Honda dealer to see how many banks I would have to rob to order bumpers home from japan.

No, not at all. I'm always willing to help someone as dedicated to the 3rd gen community as you.

Like forrest89sei, with parts list and money, we can do everything.

The only thing we won't be able to get the the facelift rear bumper for the Aerodeck

kubior
12-16-2007, 04:38 AM
http://moto.allegro.pl/18181_iii_1985_1989_.html?order=t&view=gtext You can search something here. If you decide to buy something I can help you.
kubakaczor@op.pl

thegreatdane
12-16-2007, 01:14 PM
If you make a part list and pay in advance, I'd be willing help with shipping some new small oem parts if you want?

Thank you for your offer. I'll keep it in mind. First off I'll try to work something out with carotman, so far I've only done great business with him.



http://moto.allegro.pl/18181_iii_1985_1989_.html?order=t&view=gtext You can search something here. If you decide to buy something I can help you.
kubakaczor@op.pl

Thanks! So far I mainly need new spareparts though, but I'll keep an eye on it if I come in need of something specific.


No, not at all. I'm always willing to help someone as dedicated to the 3rd gen community as you.

Like forrest89sei, with parts list and money, we can do everything.

The only thing we won't be able to get the the facelift rear bumper for the Aerodeck

Well, all I can say is thanks a lot Jean and likewise! I'll try to compile a list of the parts I need when I get time and I'll send you a PM once I've done that. I'm currently waiting for my Honda dealer to find out whether it's possible or not to order bumpers home from Japan. That would be the only possible way to get the rear bumper (new).

-Rotu-
12-27-2007, 01:10 PM
That's some awesome work you're doing. I own a Black '89 Aerodeck too and I hope that your Aero would also stay Black. :)

epic1400cs
12-27-2007, 01:19 PM
Another aerodeck on 3geez! Welcome! Is yours German special edition?

-Rotu-
12-28-2007, 08:55 AM
Another aerodeck on 3geez! Welcome! Is yours German special edition?

If you ment me, then I'm not sure, what edition it is. And I'm also not sure, if my Aero would be good enough to make a new topic here.:)

kubior
01-03-2008, 08:50 AM
What is going on Sir?

thegreatdane
01-03-2008, 09:24 AM
Well, tommorrow I'm heading off to Italy, going snowboarding for 10 days :)

Other than that, not much. I've been waiting for a body shop getting ready to take my car in, to put tin in all the welds and straightening out a couple of dents. I hate bondo, so this should drastically reduce the amount of bondo needed to make everything flush.
I had hoped they would get time to take my car before christmas but that didnt happen and I'm still waiting.

I ordered new gas struts from honda for the rear hatch, the old ones were shot. Ordered a new cable from Honda for the belt feeder at the drivers seat, the old one was broken.
Also ordered a new '88-'89 JDM/USDM front bumper from Honda, ordered home from japan. Expected cost around $400US which is cheaper than buying the EDM bumper lol. I also wanted the aerodeck facelift 88-89 rear bumper but it's not available anymore, so that was a big dissapointment. If they were still available it would still have been cheaper than buying the EDM rear bumper.

carotman
01-03-2008, 09:46 PM
You could just buy a used rear bumper from Japan or NZ I guess. Make sure you get the facelift side moldings too. They will match the bumper better.

thegreatdane
01-13-2008, 11:42 AM
After a lot of consideration I have come to the conclusion that I like the 86-87 moldings better, they have more of a flush fit.

I would get a used bumper if it was possible and not too expencive, but I think that's a tough one.

epic1400cs
01-13-2008, 12:24 PM
I think that is wise decision - even in Japan late model bumper is extremely difficult to get hold of and Honda doesn't have stock either.

We are the early type bumper club, yey!
:cheers:

thegreatdane
01-13-2008, 12:36 PM
Hehe, well for now at least :)
I should still be getting the front bumper.

thegreatdane
01-15-2008, 11:06 AM
Today I recieved my brand new 88-89 front bumper ordered from honda japan. Came out to only about $300 US. Very cheap, I'm happy.

$300 alone wouldnt even cover shipping costs for getting a front bumper from the US shipped over here.

I'm hoping that maybe next week the car is going to the bodyshop.

Cheeseburger
01-15-2008, 12:00 PM
pics pics pics!!!!

forrest89sei
01-15-2008, 12:53 PM
Today I recieved my brand new 88-89 front bumper ordered from honda japan. Came out to only about $300 US. Very cheap, I'm happy.

$300 alone wouldnt even cover shipping costs for getting a front bumper from the US shipped over here.

I'm hoping that maybe next week the car is going to the bodyshop.


Hey do you have a link to a online Honda Japan Dealer? or did you have to order it from a Denmark dealer?

AccordB20A
01-15-2008, 01:49 PM
Cool. a brand new bumper. thats pretty good. Cars coming along good. wheres the updated pics? lol I did that digi dash fuel sender thing for ya hope it helps. it in my thread...

thegreatdane
01-16-2008, 10:29 AM
Hey do you have a link to a online Honda Japan Dealer? or did you have to order it from a Denmark dealer?

I ordered it through a danish Honda dealer. The jdm partnumbers is usually not in their local parts catalogue system but they can get the numbers and prices through the honda parts central in sweden.
Did anyone ever try making an american honda dealer order jdm parts home from japan?


Cool. a brand new bumper. thats pretty good. Cars coming along good. wheres the updated pics? lol I did that digi dash fuel sender thing for ya hope it helps. it in my thread...

Thanks and hey yea thanks for your help with that!

thegreatdane
01-28-2008, 11:40 AM
I dropped the car of at the bodyshop last friday. There were some interesting cars at the shop when I was there -a 911 Turbo, two stingray's, a Ferrari and an Aston Martin. I think the aerodeck is in good company.

Some pics from right before I drove it off:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ugnjbtiijoftmoc/IMGP1662.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3cgffbg4kbps4s4/IMGP1664.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/39bxd7l8f592onm/IMGP1665.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/17y1hoc1gqqw3y9/IMGP1667.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6evgagrd9sd5ks0/IMGP1668.JPG?raw=1



For now most of the suspension is put together with old and rusty temporary parts.

Civic Accord Honda
01-28-2008, 02:17 PM
w00t

thegreatdane
01-31-2008, 11:08 AM
Got it back yesterday. looks much better now. Here's a couple of pics:

This part here on the lower quarter was pretty wobbly before from a big dent the car had when I got it. Looks straight now.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vv1phdsyuyplrhk/IMGP1710.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/v2c1bt70mjv4l0w/IMGP1711.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9z9929ivf5wgun7/IMGP1712.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/d7e9q5ccwzd6bu7/IMGP1713.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ip810yt7p9x28sg/IMGP1715.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6ho78rpxlw5b9it/IMGP1716.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bv0xm6mkd2fc5q6/IMGP1719.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9n4q3tb6n9disen/IMGP1720.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5aq1uamzhovew6i/IMGP1721.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/d0lsazdp612dh92/IMGP1725.JPG?raw=1

thegreatdane
01-31-2008, 11:08 AM
My box with the 88-89 bumper from japan. useless picture lol.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6iw9300ezuahyoo/IMGP1728.JPG?raw=1

I just made a request for a lot of exterior moldings and trim from honda, some of it will have to be from Honda japan so I hope they still have the parts. It would be neat to have all new trim. And expencive probably. :nervous:

86nlife2go
01-31-2008, 11:20 AM
what can we say, other than...holy shat! That thing is clean! kudos to you man.

87roach
01-31-2008, 11:43 AM
Looking great man, its going to be brand new when your done!! :D

thegreatdane
01-31-2008, 12:16 PM
Thanks, brand new is what I'm aiming for :D

b20a86lude
02-05-2008, 09:21 AM
dude lovn the restor . major props .can anyone help me out with honda japan i need a couple things

thegreatdane
02-07-2008, 12:54 PM
Unfortunately half of the stuff I just ordered friday last week from Honda is not available any more. I ordered 26 parts but only 12 of those were available, 9 of those 12 are on backorder and the 3 rest I have recieved today. So for alot of the exterior trim parts I wil probably either have to do with what I've got or find better used parts. They are all unique aerodeck parts so there's no help to find in the US.

Here are some various new honda parts I have. Doesnt look like much but there's actually a good bit of money in there. New jdm sidemarkers are friggin expencive, about $162 US each..
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mn6jaxfijxq2xxz/IMGP1732.JPG?raw=1

thegreatdane
02-07-2008, 12:56 PM
dude lovn the restor . major props .can anyone help me out with honda japan i need a couple things

Try asking your honda dealer if they can order parts for you from japan.

MessyHonda
02-07-2008, 01:46 PM
wow stuff looks nice.

BITESIZE
02-07-2008, 01:52 PM
I Take It This Is Going To Be A Show Car? Damn Nice Work!

carotman
02-07-2008, 05:03 PM
This ca is just going to be awesome.

If you get new side trims, make sure they're from an 88-89. They will match the bumper trims better. The 87-87 are flat while the 88-89 have an indentation.

AccordB20A
02-07-2008, 07:55 PM
wow stuff looks nice.
Agree's

I Take It This Is Going To Be A Show Car? Damn Nice Work!
it seems like its gona look good when done :D:D.

This ca is just going to be awesome.

If you get new side trims, make sure they're from an 88-89. They will match the bumper trims better. The 86-87 are flat while the 88-89 have an indentation.

fixed it

Hash_man_Se_i
02-07-2008, 08:29 PM
OK dang, I haven't checked in on this thread in a long time, and wow it looks damn good! be sure to primer up that bare metal or something before it starts to oxidize or rust.

Can't wait to see further progress, I only wish I had the time and funds to undertake a project like that.

thegreatdane
02-10-2008, 11:31 AM
Thanks guys.

I pulled some sedan power door locks today that I want to put in the aerodeck. I want to put a rear left passenger door motor in the drivers door along with the lock/unlock sender so that if I want it I'll be able to use a remote controlled alarm system without adding a crappy aftermarket door lock actuator. The aerodeck doors need to get modified a bit to make room for the motors though.


I Take It This Is Going To Be A Show Car? Damn Nice Work!

It was supposed to be a daily driver lol but we'll see.



This ca is just going to be awesome.

If you get new side trims, make sure they're from an 88-89. They will match the bumper trims better. The 87-87 are flat while the 88-89 have an indentation.

I actually ordered the 88-89 ones just for the sake of it. But I can only get them for the right side of the car it seems.. When I get them I will see how I like them compared to the flat 86-87 ones that I was gonna go with originally. If I like the 88-89 ones better I will look for some used ones for the left side.




fixed it

huh? Now we're at it, you wouldnt happen to know of any aerodecks in the junkyard with good left side '88-'89 side trims?

A18A
03-01-2008, 01:16 AM
meeeeeeaaaannnnn

AccordB20A
03-01-2008, 01:33 PM
i dont think so its an 86 i think.

and dont your drivers door locks have an actuator on them?

thegreatdane
03-03-2008, 02:19 PM
No there's only a lock/unlock switch in the sedan drivers door (since we dont have an inside lock/unlock switch in the european models), which also fits perfectly in the aerodeck drivers door. But if I want to use a remote door lock I will have to find a way to add an actuator to the drivers door.
Too bad about the aerodeck. Not many of those around in NZ?

AccordB20A
03-03-2008, 02:55 PM
dont really see many aye.

using a back door lock can you still use the key or would you do what i did and install rear door handles aswell to be completely keyless?

coope
03-03-2008, 09:26 PM
show us the bumber out the box

kubior
04-12-2008, 05:24 AM
Is project dead??

thegreatdane
04-12-2008, 11:02 AM
No it's still going, but very slow. Lots and lots of bills to pay lately so not much left for the aerodeck.

I've concluded that it's impossible to mount a sedan door lock motor in the aerodeck drivers door. So reluctantly I had to install an aftermarket one instead.

thegreatdane
04-15-2008, 01:46 PM
Taking out the windshield. It wasnt cracked but it was a bit scratched. I guess from some bad wiper blades. And we dont like scratches.. so that's getting replaced.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xl1bexnadk182qe/IMGP1745.JPG?raw=1

Out. Cracked in all sorts of ways now...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/olfwknjxpb8ughy/IMGP1747.JPG?raw=1

Got one of the rear quarter glass'es out as well. There's a trim molding attached to it that wont come off without removing the glass, so in order to get it painted underneath that trim the glass needs to come off.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/g274tmek593uucn/IMGP1748.JPG?raw=1

It was a real bitch to cut that window out because you need to be careful not damaging any of the trim that's attached to it and also be carefull not to break the glass. obtained a few cuts in teh process.. And there's the other quarter glass I need to remove tomorrow. You can see the trim molding that's in the way.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rkb23iqjmbckiih/IMGP1751.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6fmpdtzridbonk4/IMGP1752.JPG?raw=1

More or less gutted. The roof lining goes out as well and the sunroof unit. Look at those stock pos rear speakers lol.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n7ginf00q7lp26a/IMGP1756.JPG?raw=1

I hacked up my EDM bumper support and adapted it to the 88-89 bumper cover. The EDM bumper support weighs one hell of a lot less than the usdm bumper support since the EDM one is basically just a flat bar and there's no foam guts inside the bumper either. (maybe it's the same with the 86-87 USDM bumper support as well?)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/b9i7mz7m0y7tiko/IMGP1758.JPG?raw=1

Civic Accord Honda
04-15-2008, 02:31 PM
nioce :D

imjdoggie
04-17-2008, 10:55 AM
Wow, you have your work cut out for you man. Best of Luck.

A18A
04-17-2008, 05:54 PM
that bumper looks sexy :)

gp02a0083
04-17-2008, 09:21 PM
[QUOTE} (maybe it's the same with the 86-87 USDM bumper support as well?)

[/QUOTE]

eh when i installed the fog lights on mine i took the bumper off on my 87 hatch, its got the foam in there as well as the big bumper support, but the EDM one sounds alot better as far as weight

nice seeing more progress on this aerodeck

Nafs Asdf
04-17-2008, 09:44 PM
I want your skills... Looking good :)

thegreatdane
04-20-2008, 12:39 PM
Thanks


[QUOTE} (maybe it's the same with the 86-87 USDM bumper support as well?)



eh when i installed the fog lights on mine i took the bumper off on my 87 hatch, its got the foam in there as well as the big bumper support, but the EDM one sounds alot better as far as weight

nice seeing more progress on this aerodeck[/QUOTE]

Gay. The USDM ones got owned on that one. Unless you plan on bumping into stuff alot lol

race12001
04-20-2008, 05:13 PM
that thing is gonna look good as hell when you get done with it when is it gonna get paint

A18A
05-13-2008, 07:12 AM
Gay. The USDM ones got owned on that one. Unless you plan on bumping into stuff alot lol

i suppose they weren't called bumpers for nothing :ugh:

kubior
06-01-2008, 09:42 AM
progress??

thegreatdane
06-02-2008, 12:18 PM
nothing much really :rolleyes:

A18A
07-07-2008, 10:55 PM
okay

AccordB20A
07-07-2008, 11:32 PM
haha. oh well good things take time

i dont suppose you have any ideas about whether accord sedan brake lines are the same as aerodeck ones????

How easy are they to swap as there is an aerodeck i am interested in but all the brake lines are chopped at the prop valve.

A18A
07-07-2008, 11:35 PM
geez what kinda nut sack would go and do that?

AccordB20A
07-08-2008, 12:06 AM
i reckon!!!!!!!!

thegreatdane
07-10-2008, 02:50 PM
The brake lines are the same, but they are a bitch to replace. You need to pull everything behind the dash and half the interior to get them out.

It would be much easier to just install brake line joints on the remains of the old lines and use copper lines where the old ones have been cut off.

1ajs
07-13-2008, 08:59 AM
dam lots happend since i last checked looking good

on a random bit i found that C is for cooks record in your avitar in the closit of records here the other day lol

thegreatdane
07-15-2008, 12:51 PM
lol that's cool, didnt think anyone actually owned that record haha

thegreatdane
08-15-2008, 02:13 PM
My JDM front lip project. Thanks to Steve_Si for getting me the lip!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/skdcthh9g8dpauv/lip1.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/f3o3fqzetp158oz/lip2.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/etk3k1fe1jiqf9o/lip3.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/f4e8ua5vfl97vby/lip4.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/p8psjbctooomd81/lip5.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4w9nmugcjwohar4/lip6.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ri08kzpkcmgxr86/lip7.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dgbyg0micwghrb1/lip8.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/eetoq9p863vvr8v/lip9.JPG?raw=1

I need to get hold of a paintgun that will spray higher viscousity filler to get on with the lip.

thegreatdane
08-15-2008, 02:13 PM
Modifying the left side wiring for OBD1 and wiretuck. Because there was only 1 slot open for an extra pin in the existing connectors and I needed to add 5 extra wires I swapped out the small engine wire harness connector for a large one so there's now 2 large connectors. I'm using shielded wire for the extra sensor of course.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6v52eokmv4g6j1e/IMGP1759.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n4fb2b3ho6j6gfu/IMGP1760.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3ewx9vppwpj6wma/IMGP1761.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dvwgwzeurovbck3/IMGP1762.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0lugv611cfcq7z7/IMGP1763.JPG?raw=1

Repaired some rust here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4f03hdhsbiotmxu/IMGP1764.JPG?raw=1

The sunroof opening was rusted here in the joint where I've replaced the sheetmetal. Unfortunately the rust has attacked the roof panel from the underside in this area as well, and I could easily see that causing the paint starting to bubble within a couple of years if not attended to. So I'm in deep with that one since you dont just start cutting and welding in the roof panel. It will woble like hell and the panel shape is very hard to copy and has to be very precise at the same time. So I'm just delaying that job until I figure something out.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zu9dtsxve8zmvhl/IMGP1765.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0jdekzp9d7wpgpp/IMGP1766.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fww64kg8vfxyeua/IMGP1767.JPG?raw=1

87roach
08-15-2008, 03:14 PM
It's comming along man, great to see some progress. Props on the lip :cheers:

A18A
08-15-2008, 03:22 PM
oh reall coool, yay for progress :)

thegreatdane
08-16-2008, 02:54 AM
Here's the mount supports for my gas hood struts. The hood has been cut up and reinforced from the inside. I used a civic ED9 hood lifter kit which is very far from being able to fit, but if you want to avoid drilling an extra hole in your fenders for easier mounting you will need very long gas struts, which I dont think would look very good.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9nk3dkxc93nwmdq/IMGP1768.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/egk3p1vwmh2xwpf/IMGP1769.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/tlhbavf21f1ep6v/IMGP1770.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5y97px2ok7xtuif/IMGP1771.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/lkv96ahdwvtj9bq/IMGP1772.JPG?raw=1

Here the turn signal holes in the fenders have been welded shut.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/so6kfr00bplyma6/IMGP1773.JPG?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jgpwwihcp0eelm7/IMGP1774.JPG?raw=1


I've removed all the wiring harness from the car and getting ready to remove the brake lines as well. The hatch door has been disassembled with both windows cut out -that was a major pain..

thegreatdane
08-16-2008, 03:04 AM
Thanks guys, my internet crashed yesterday while posting so my last post got delayed a bit.

A18A
08-16-2008, 03:06 AM
that looks titties, really cool!!

Civic Accord Honda
08-16-2008, 10:30 AM
loooks very good!

thegreatdane
08-16-2008, 12:22 PM
Thx!

And with the incredible help of Yasu (epic1400cs) and his japanese friend, I have now recieved from japan the matching '88-'89 sidemolding for the left side along with a couple of other parts. So a big thanks to both of them!

AccordB20A
08-16-2008, 02:29 PM
overnight parts from japan ftw!!!

carotman
08-18-2008, 05:25 AM
The project is comming along!

I know how long it is to take care of all the small details.

thegreatdane
08-22-2008, 02:26 AM
overnight parts from japan ftw!!!

Not excactly overnight lol, that would have cost an arm and a leg.


The project is comming along!

I know how long it is to take care of all the small details.

Indeed. And I have about a gazillion loose ends at the moment. Best not to think about it lol

thegreatdane
08-22-2008, 02:57 AM
I forgot my camera so very sorry about these pics ...they are cellphones

First two are old ones from when I was repairing some of the roof. As you can see that shit is rusted, and the bit I've already cut away lies on the roof -next to the new piece- quite rusted as well.

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/4811/billede009us5.jpg

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/9803/billede010cg6.jpg



And here's what kept me awake until 6 in the morning today. It's not completely finished but it's close. I have left to add some reinforcements for the mount points and for the radius rod mounts. The two short bars are angled downwards to add both horizontal and vertical strenght. As there is no engine installed I cant make the engine mount now and I need to get a hold of a rubber bushing for it as well.


http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/6178/billede019to2.jpg

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/4535/billede020xy0.jpg

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/697/billede021xg1.jpg

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/661/billede022xz6.jpg

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/7444/billede023io6.jpg

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/434/billede024ia1.jpg

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/6404/billede026kv0.jpg

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/5980/billede027hi0.jpg

carotman
08-22-2008, 06:41 AM
Nice work! I'm sure this reinforcement will give a better handling and allow for a better front mount.

You need to get shorter bolts now :D

Now for the sunroof.

Honda used to sell a replacement sunroof opening to repair rusted ones. I have one here with the installation instructions.

The part number is 62100-SE3-305ZZ. I don't know if it's still available through the dealer but I think it's worth a try. I got mine when the local dealer decided to get rid of it's old parts that were gathering dust.

I scanned the instructions just in case you would want to see them.

Sunroof Replacement Instructions (http://carotman.no-ip.com:8888/3geez/sunroof_replacement.pdf)

And here's what the actual part looks like:

http://carotman.no-ip.com:8888/album/rwx_gallery/thumbs/sunroof_top.jpg (http://carotman.no-ip.com:8888/album/rwx_gallery/sunroof_top.jpg)

http://carotman.no-ip.com:8888/album/rwx_gallery/thumbs/sunroof_bottom.jpg (http://carotman.no-ip.com:8888/album/rwx_gallery/sunroof_bottom.jpg)

thegreatdane
08-22-2008, 08:08 AM
Lol dammit I was hoping no one would notice the bolts :)

Man, that roof patch panel looks excactly like what I need! Thanks alot for taking pics of it and scanning the instructions.
I cant access the .pdf file from your server though :(

I will ask Honda if they can get that panel. Would be sweet if I can get it.
The p/n doesnt appear in my own parts catalogue, but I'm crossing my fingers.

Any chance you can fix the .pdf file?

Edit:
ok it's working now. That's a comprehensive manual :)
It mentions something about a spot sealer, is that something that's included with the panel?

AccordB20A
08-22-2008, 11:48 AM
man thats hard out,. but nice work. Its going to be a brand new car when your done

carotman
08-22-2008, 03:21 PM
The sealer is just regular seam sealer for cars. Just like that whitish sealer you see all around the car. It's not included with the panel

thegreatdane
09-01-2008, 01:43 AM
The sealer is just regular seam sealer for cars. Just like that whitish sealer you see all around the car. It's not included with the panel

Yea that's just regular sealer, but if you look in that manual they also mention something called spot sealer to be applied in the actual places where you will be making the spot welds. I'm not familar with such a product, so if anyone knows what that is?

thegreatdane
09-01-2008, 01:49 AM
I've just ordered the roof repair panel from Honda along with a 88-89 rear bumper for my sedan. Both were in stock in Japan.
But ouch, they are going to hurt my wallet!
In USD the roof piece is $624 and the rear bumper is $480.
The front bumper was much cheaper, almost half of that...

But thanks for the tip carotman!

Nafs Asdf
09-01-2008, 02:21 AM
Ouch, that's some pricey stuff. But I bet the car's gonna be like brand new when you get it done :)

thegreatdane
09-11-2008, 01:31 PM
GODDAMN IT ALL TO HELL!!!


:mad: I currently have a big hole in my roof and a roof patch panel that doesnt fit. :mad:

2oodoor
09-11-2008, 01:54 PM
this sounds like trip to the scrap yard with a cordless sawsall, that is what I would do. I dont know how available parts cars are in your region though.

thegreatdane
09-11-2008, 02:18 PM
Apparantly there's a difference between sedan and aerodeck roofs. (I assume my patch panel was meant for a sedan)
My patch panel is slightly wider than my aerodeck roof in the rear portion of the patch.
The antenna was in the right side also, which is wierd, since its the same partnumber as carotmans panel with the left side antenna.
Doesnt matter about the antenna though, that would have been easy to weld shut if that was the only problem.

Dont know what I'm going to do now as I can not seem to find any other patch panels (the one I have now doesnt even show up in any parts lists).
Maybe I'll end up having to replace the entire roof. That is if the roof is still available from honda. An entire roof will be even more expencive than the patch panel, and unfortunately I cannot return the patch panel as it was ordered home from japan. sigh....

My roof hole :hmph:


https://www.dropbox.com/s/w2t6c2m1exdqwov/IMGP2100.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zdt44bmfpq2mve0/IMGP2101.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p8rzq40oai5tn2g/IMGP2102.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tlbib5poh2cgcnw/IMGP2103.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/czc2pvxw6lvlg84/IMGP2104.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/orduge18vv27oof/IMGP2105.JPG?raw=1


Better pics of the new crossmember:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/aw5k8aojzidkbba/IMGP2106.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/f38yvp55sis1nbp/IMGP2107.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4swbfrq6cceilpv/IMGP2108.JPG?raw=1

thegreatdane
09-11-2008, 02:23 PM
this sounds like trip to the scrap yard with a cordless sawsall, that is what I would do. I dont know how available parts cars are in your region though.

sadly the aerodeck is very rare here, no car wreckers have any and those that exist on the road here are more than likely to be having the very same roof problem as I'm trying to repair. my roof was one of the good looking ones lol..

A18A
09-11-2008, 02:32 PM
that sucks about the roof :( the engine bay looks nice though

thegreatdane
09-11-2008, 02:59 PM
a nice looking engine bay doesnt do much good without a roof -depressed lol-

A18A
09-11-2008, 03:41 PM
i agree, you should chop out the engine bay and send it to me :thumbup:

Civic Accord Honda
09-11-2008, 04:43 PM
make a new roof out of some sheet metal (y)

carotman
09-11-2008, 05:12 PM
Hmm, maybe the part you have is bad or something.

The one I have is exactly 42 inches wide in the back and 43ľ in the front. It's like a little shorter than 24 inches long.

I took my measures on the outer lip. I can take pictures if you want.

I can also measure the SE-i roof (sedan) I have here if you want. Maybe the replacement roof I have is for an Aerodeck or something. The instructions came in like 5 different language and could be an international part.

If you have a sedan roof and I have an Aerodeck/coupe roof. We can make an exchange for free :D

epic1400cs
09-12-2008, 12:09 AM
Ouch it is a pain after doing all the prep work.
I looked up JDM parts list.
Although it is JDM version of roof (means antenna is on the right), the whole roof was •36400 (about €250) about a couple of years ago.
This is the price in Japan by the way.
I wish you can get the right one for EUDM.

thegreatdane
09-12-2008, 03:45 AM
Hmm, maybe the part you have is bad or something.

The one I have is exactly 42 inches wide in the back and 43ľ in the front. It's like a little shorter than 24 inches long.

I took my measures on the outer lip. I can take pictures if you want.

I can also measure the SE-i roof (sedan) I have here if you want. Maybe the replacement roof I have is for an Aerodeck or something. The instructions came in like 5 different language and could be an international part.

If you have a sedan roof and I have an Aerodeck/coupe roof. We can make an exchange for free :D

That would have been sweet, but my panel is the same width :(




i agree, you should chop out the engine bay and send it to me :thumbup:

you bastard, having a good time at my expence eh, lol :)





make a new roof out of some sheet metal (y)

:nuts:



Ouch it is a pain after doing all the prep work.
I looked up JDM parts list.
Although it is JDM version of roof (means antenna is on the right), the whole roof was •36400 (about Ä250) about a couple of years ago.
This is the price in Japan by the way.
I wish you can get the right one for EUDM.


Thanks. The patch panel was about Ä420 euro so i'd expect an entire roof to be bout 600 euro. It says 460 euro in my parts catalogue though.
Do you know what happened to Lings?
Just yesterday I could find a lot of partnumbers but today there's almost none in their parts database.

Tomisimo
09-12-2008, 08:45 AM
Wow.. that is sucks.. You say that there in Denmark Aerodeck is rare? well try your luck at Norwegian JY
here is the link to central database to all that exist in Norway, maybe you get lucky?
http://www.finndel.no/
You come so far!! why give up now??

carotman
09-12-2008, 01:06 PM
Hmm How wide is the Aerodeck Roof?

epic1400cs
09-12-2008, 08:01 PM
Thanks. The patch panel was about Ä420 euro so i'd expect an entire roof to be bout 600 euro. It says 460 euro in my parts catalogue though.
Do you know what happened to Lings?
Just yesterday I could find a lot of partnumbers but today there's almost none in their parts database.
I am not sure what happened, may be they were doing maintenance during business hours? lol Thats typical in UK hahaha.

Here you go,

62100SE1G01ZZ £392.26 (F, G, S, W, X - means continent EU, I believe)
62100SE1G31ZZ £392.26 (F, G, S, W, X, with sunroof maybe?)

62100SE1J31ZZ £392.26 (E=UK)
62100SE1310ZZ Ring Us (E=UK, with sunroof maybe?)

Means, there is no roof for UK car with sunroof, shxt!

thegreatdane
09-14-2008, 11:03 AM
Wow.. that is sucks.. You say that there in Denmark Aerodeck is rare? well try your luck at Norwegian JY
here is the link to central database to all that exist in Norway, maybe you get lucky?
http://www.finndel.no/
You come so far!! why give up now??

No worries, I'm not giving up. Still have some options, would prefer not having to cut out an old roof though since they are usually all rusted to some extend.
It does seem like a kick in the nuts feeling close to finishing and then getting a setback like this.


Hmm How wide is the Aerodeck Roof?

I would guestimate the aerodeck roof to be about 3/4" (2cm) narrower at the rear portion of the patch panel. I should get an answer tomorrow if there's an entire roof available and what the price is.


I am not sure what happened, may be they were doing maintenance during business hours? lol Thats typical in UK hahaha.

Here you go,

62100SE1G01ZZ £392.26 (F, G, S, W, X - means continent EU, I believe)
62100SE1G31ZZ £392.26 (F, G, S, W, X, with sunroof maybe?)

62100SE1J31ZZ £392.26 (E=UK)
62100SE1310ZZ Ring Us (E=UK, with sunroof maybe?)

Means, there is no roof for UK car with sunroof, shxt!

Thanks, it's working again for me too. The last part number in your list is a hatchback roof. The second last is a UK aerodeck roof with sunroof, so you can get one as well :D

Can you find the patchpanel on the japanese honda website? then maybe you can see if there's an aerodeck patch panel as well? the sedan patchpanel has partnumber 62100se3305zz.
Lings seem to have all or most japanese part numbers in stock or in their database. But it's hard to find something on Lings if you dont know the part number.

epic1400cs
09-14-2008, 09:10 PM
Can you find the patchpanel on the japanese honda website? then maybe you can see if there's an aerodeck patch panel as well? the sedan patchpanel has partnumber 62100se3305zz.
Lings seem to have all or most japanese part numbers in stock or in their database. But it's hard to find something on Lings if you dont know the part number.
I have checked the JDM EPC however, there is no description about this type of patch panel at all.
As the car is so old (especially in Japan) it might be difficult to find a panel without parts number from database.
Also I asked my aerodeck friends in Japan but they have never heard of this type of panel....
Let me ask a Honda mechanic in Japan as well as ex Honda mechanic who owns CA3 by himself.


Thanks for pointing out about the UK spec roof by the way!

guaynabo89
09-15-2008, 03:03 PM
Sorry to hear man.

Take a 3 day weekend have some fun and then come back to it. Your mind will be so cleared you'll see the answer right away! :D

thegreatdane
09-16-2008, 09:36 AM
^^I'll need at least a month lol


just found this: http://www.depo.com.tw/depo_pro_qry_brand_front.asp?category=Replacement&pageno=1&B1=Query&brand=honda&make=

looks like depo are the ones making most of the pretty lights available for 3rd gens.

carotman
09-16-2008, 10:47 AM
Nice link.

They make the JDM bumper lights but they don't list a part number.

thegreatdane
09-16-2008, 11:49 AM
You mean the smoked ones right? Those were catching my interest as well :)
They do seem to have a DEPO part number but no OEM number.
They also list a darker and a brighter 88-89 eyebrow molding, what's that about? the OEM part numbers doesnt seem to exist.
They also carry the '88-'89 jdm corners along with edm/jdm taillights.

forrest89sei
09-16-2008, 11:52 AM
^^I'll need at least a month lol


just found this: http://www.depo.com.tw/depo_pro_qry_brand_front.asp?category=Replacement&pageno=1&B1=Query&brand=honda&make=

looks like depo are the ones making most of the pretty lights available for 3rd gens.

Sweet :D !

A18A
09-16-2008, 12:00 PM
wow cool! 1st gen parts even!!!

AccordB20A
09-16-2008, 12:08 PM
probably shitty quality like the taiwanese replacement ones you get lol

thegreatdane
09-16-2008, 12:18 PM
nah, DEPO are actually well known replacement parts.

carotman
09-16-2008, 03:07 PM
You mean the smoked ones right? Those were catching my interest as well :)
They do seem to have a DEPO part number but no OEM number.
They also list a darker and a brighter 88-89 eyebrow molding, what's that about? the OEM part numbers doesnt seem to exist.
They also carry the '88-'89 jdm corners along with edm/jdm taillights.

Yup, I was looking at the smoked bumper lights. Those are just like the JDM ones.

I guess the darker eyebrows are there to match the JDM corners.

epic1400cs
09-21-2008, 11:59 PM
I have received replies from two guys in Japan but unfortunately there is not good news.
Both of them have checked the Honda Parts database in Japan plus asked Honda Parts dpt. with no luck.

One of them said there were repair panel exist in the past but they are all gone. Even the full EU roof might be low in stock so he recommended to buy the full roof as soon as possible, if you choose to replace full roof. However, he also said, after looking through this thread, with your level of skill most probably you can alter the sedan repair panel - he believes Japanese body shop would do that no doubt.

I am sorry I couldn't help you out this time.

thegreatdane
09-22-2008, 11:22 AM
Thanks alot for your efforts and the help from your friends Yasu!
I think I've worked it out now though :)
I was just at my honda dealer today to pay for the new complete roof I just received (ordered it friday last week. pretty quick!). Dont think I'll be able to take a look at it before sometime later this week though. I imagine it's going to be quite a job taking on the whole roof.
As your friend pointed out, modifying the sedan repair panel by making it narrower was also one of my backup plans. Im happier with the complete roof though. Should elimate any chances of having weird things happening with the roof in the future caused by a repair panel welded into the old roof.
Maybe someday I will need the sedan repair panel for my sedans roof, so unless someones interested in buying that patch panel I guess I'll just be keeping it.

epic1400cs
09-22-2008, 12:01 PM
No problem. I think your decision is the right one. Especially if you use filler on the roof, it will be sad if you see the slight unevenness after sometime.

I also know some of the aerodeck owners in Japan has reported that there is a water leak from the seam on the roof (where the rear windows are, there is a seam btw quarter panel and roof covered by thin black cover) and ended up re-do the seam to stop the leak. So I believe, in the long run, it will be very good idea to kill all the risk of water leak from the roof by replace it and renew the seal completely.

Please also remember that many aerodeck owners in Japan know your project by now and they all respect your hard work.

thegreatdane
09-22-2008, 12:27 PM
Good to know about the water leak!
I just remembered that when I cut out the rear quarter windows I was a bit surprised to find out that one of the windows had received such a small amount of window sealer on one of the vertical sides of the glass so that the sealer had loosened and there was perhaps a 1-2 mm gap between the body and the glass..
Might want to keep that in mind if looking for leaks back there!

Thanks to the guys from Japan who looks at this thread! :)

Civic Accord Honda
09-22-2008, 12:59 PM
^^I'll need at least a month lol


just found this: http://www.depo.com.tw/depo_pro_qry_brand_front.asp?category=Replacement&pageno=1&B1=Query&brand=honda&make=

looks like depo are the ones making most of the pretty lights available for 3rd gens.
sweet i must check to see if the have preface jdm corners :D

edit sweet they have them :D now how do u order from them?

thegreatdane
09-25-2008, 03:14 PM
:nervous:
what could this be

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3jp3o0d1sqmbn57/IMGP2110.JPG?raw=1



New roof!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7ap1b0pvfmsikoq/IMGP2111.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vvwk9jxhowm8w8o/IMGP2112.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ce3wi1qr5jdeyyt/IMGP2113.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8mjp4ge3j158bjo/IMGP2115.JPG?raw=1


Being able to take off the top is always nice on a sunny day.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1oe7sro7opdqbxb/IMGP2118.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hlf518wbvlsf3yo/IMGP2119.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0x9op4gh8qfzemj/IMGP2124.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mye2a5qct65dsnq/IMGP2131.JPG?raw=1

thegreatdane
09-25-2008, 03:15 PM
Test fitting the new roof. It fit perfectly right out of the box.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/b9xvau9421w2nrw/IMGP2133.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uqfkgviq535k9zj/IMGP2134.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qbwdtd95aobje41/IMGP2136.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/11mzmpu104wy2f4/IMGP2138.JPG?raw=1


May you be melted in to something not so rusty

https://www.dropbox.com/s/y2nkziyny7itkkj/IMGP2142.JPG?raw=1


It wont be coming off again now. I still need to add a couple of spot welds and grind the welds down. And it needs to get new sealer in all the joints.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4612ky83deb3sst/IMGP2148.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/x5wn384852pzleh/IMGP2149.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/iq4b8ak65sk9gnt/IMGP2151.JPG?raw=1

carotman
09-25-2008, 03:17 PM
Hahaha

At least now you'll have a brand new roof that will not rust :D

thegreatdane
09-26-2008, 04:17 AM
Yep, no need to worry about the roof in the future. And I'll be soaking everything inside the roof with anti corrosive oil before the headliner gets back in some day.

2oodoor
09-26-2008, 04:31 AM
Ive never heard of that in automotive restorations, but I dont see it all. I would think that dusting some zinc chormeate on the those would be sufficient.
Seems like the oil would permiate the metal and make it difficult when you start painting or welding. I would be interested in exactly what product that is you are using.

thegreatdane
09-26-2008, 05:10 AM
It's simply a wax/oil based substance that prevents rust. Look in Canada, I bet they're using it alot up there.

If you're going to treat areas that you intend to paint you are going to have to wait until the area has been painted before you apply the oil.