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mikes87lude
05-24-2007, 01:58 PM
Pics of my A20A3 turbo project
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s242/emarel76/DSC00401.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s242/emarel76/DSC00399.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s242/emarel76/DSC00394.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s242/emarel76/02-26-07_0056.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s242/emarel76/02-14-07_0807.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s242/emarel76/02-14-07_0809.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s242/emarel76/A20A3.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s242/emarel76/turbo.jpg


I also have an Accord. It's not fast though.....Yet!

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s242/emarel76/95AccordV6.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s242/emarel76/11-06-06_1741.jpg

Estimated Prophet
05-24-2007, 02:00 PM
Wow someone new who starts by posting pictures. I like you already. :thumbup:

Wrong section though, but a mod will move it for you.

2drSE-i
05-24-2007, 02:05 PM
so what have you done to the motor so far? have ideas for pistons and rods, etc? lots of guys on here for lots of help. Welcome to the board :-D

ahmad89
05-24-2007, 02:09 PM
make sure you get better suspensions before you do anything in that accord, trust i learned the hard way.

mikes87lude
05-24-2007, 02:14 PM
so what have you done to the motor so far?......

Just the head and intake work, Full Pacesetter exhaust, No cat, MegaSquirt ECU (assembled by me), Blaster 2 coil, 255cc injectors

Need FPR, 255 lph fuel pump, 370 cc injectors, Clutchnet 12 lb flywheel, Intercooler, and misc. piping and hoses. No fancy pistons or rods to start with just a fresh rebuild before boosting.

Estimated Prophet
05-24-2007, 02:15 PM
Cool, you can be our Megasquirt guy. The flywheels on Clutchnet weigh 9 lbs btw, the web site information is incorrect.

mikes87lude
05-24-2007, 02:16 PM
make sure you get better suspensions before you do anything in that accord, trust i learned the hard way.

The Accord is stock. The lude is not. Intrax drop springs, Sensatracks, new upper ball joints, new wheel bearings all around. Its a 20 year old lude after all. ;op

mikes87lude
05-24-2007, 02:17 PM
...The flywheels on Clutchnet weigh 9 lbs btw,....
Even better!!

2drSE-i
05-24-2007, 02:18 PM
let me throw some links at you right quick. BTW, Pacesetter headers arent the greatest, but it wont really matter if you do go turbo. Alot of people just go with DSM 450cc injectors for their turbo setups. Let me get links for rods and pistons, you might as well get those slapped in for your rebuild, save some time in the long run.

mikes87lude
05-24-2007, 02:22 PM
Pacesetter headers arent the greatest, but it wont really matter if you do go turbo.....Let me get links for rods and pistons....

Looking into getting a simple log manifold made. Rich from PP says rods from a LS motor will work with a little wrist pin modding. Easy way to get Titanium rods for an A20.

mikes87lude
05-24-2007, 02:23 PM
I like it here already. The boards are pretty busy!!

2drSE-i
05-24-2007, 02:30 PM
ok for fuel pumps you can run the walbro 255 lph fuel pump, http://www.machv.com/walhigflowfu.html

Rods, you can use b18a/b rods, but you will need to get your pistons machined to fit them, and pistons...well tons of places will make pistons for you. good luck with your setup, and again welcome to the board.

2drSE-i
05-24-2007, 02:31 PM
Looking into getting a simple log manifold made. Rich from PP says rods from a LS motor will work with a little wrist pin modding. Easy way to get Titanium rods for an A20.


yea thats what i just posted on. Eagle makes some pretty badass rods for the b18a/b. Remember they have to be from the b18a/b. C will not work.

mikes87lude
05-24-2007, 02:37 PM
I have a Paeco catalog. The stuff they have is pretty pricy, but they have it all. Stroker kits, Titanium rods/wrist pins, flywheels, custom machining, etc...

2drSE-i
05-24-2007, 02:39 PM
oh ok heres the deal, the b18 uses a 21mm wristpin and our a20s use 20mm ones. very minor machining to get these to work.

2drSE-i
05-24-2007, 02:40 PM
im pretty sure they dont make stuff for us anymore.

mikes87lude
05-24-2007, 02:43 PM
im pretty sure they dont make stuff for us anymore.
2006 catalog says different. I have it in PDF on my desktop at home, I'll copy it to my laptop and bring it to work with me tomorrow if you want a copy.

Legend_master
05-24-2007, 04:06 PM
im pretty sure they dont make stuff for us anymore.


They custom make anything for any car. :welcome: to the forum and good luck with your turbo project :thumbup: .

MessyHonda
05-24-2007, 05:33 PM
welcome buddy. nice turbo plans. i would not recommend a lighten flywheel on a turbo set up since it will spool down fast during shifting.

A20A1
05-24-2007, 08:14 PM
You did port work with everything still on the head? Aren't you making it harder to do a good job?

Hans
05-24-2007, 09:23 PM
Nice setup and great plans man. :welcome:

guaynabo89
05-25-2007, 04:46 AM
Pics of my A20A3 turbo project

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s242/emarel76/turbo.jpg


What car is that for, or are you just planning on using that and cuting of the flange and adding the a20 flange? It looks like a xs power kit.

good luck on the project and welcome.

mikes87lude
05-25-2007, 05:08 AM
What car is that for, or are you just planning on using that and cuting of the flange and adding the a20 flange? It looks like a xs power kit.
good luck on the project and welcome.

Its for a B18, yes it's an xs power kit, no I'm not using the manifold at all. The owner of HPS (honda performance specialists) says the company that makes their manifolds sucks. The ones that they have used end up breaking at the welds. But the T3 and doenpipe are fine.

mikes87lude
05-25-2007, 05:12 AM
You did port work with everything still on the head? Aren't you making it harder to do a good job?

I pulled the valves after I did the runners. Turns out you cant get to the bad bottleneck, and bowls without doing so. :) Its a DIY, some learning required.

mikes87lude
05-25-2007, 05:16 AM
welcome buddy. nice turbo plans. i would not recommend a lighten flywheel on a turbo set up since it will spool down fast during shifting.

Wouldn't the light flywheel help it to spool up on acceleration.
Thanks for the welcome. Is this your home away from PP? Rich finally talked me into joining 3geez, I like it so far.

2drSE-i
05-25-2007, 07:25 AM
Wouldn't the light flywheel help it to spool up on acceleration.
Thanks for the welcome. Is this your home away from PP? Rich finally talked me into joining 3geez, I like it so far.


ya the flywheel will make it spool up faster, but it will also make it spool down faster...too fast more than likely for a turbo application.

mikes87lude
05-25-2007, 09:39 AM
ya the flywheel will make it spool up faster, but it will also make it spool down faster...too fast more than likely for a turbo application.

OK. I'll put off the flywheel, it'll save me $275 by not buying it.

On a different note, kinda off subject, does anyone know where I can get a fifth gear for a 3g Accord? I hear that the gears from a 3g Accord are interchangeable with those in a 2g Prelude. I'd like the Accord 5th because it would be better for highway use. When I shift from 4th to 5th with my current gears the engine RPM only drops about 500. It sucks doing 80 mph and the engine screaming at about 4100 RPM.

Estimated Prophet
05-25-2007, 09:43 AM
http://www.hondapartsdeals.com - They're around $60-70 per shaft.

mikes87lude
05-25-2007, 09:50 AM
Thanks for the link (added it to my favorites list) $67 isn't bad, even after shipping shouldn't be more than about $80.

2drSE-i
05-25-2007, 01:06 PM
for a transmission, you can swap integra gears into our gearboxes. If you use integra gears 1-4 (their really close together) or 1-3 (some people like accord gear #4, just because its further apart, higher top speed) you can use that for a good hybrid tranny. Integra setup is definately better for acceleration.

Estimated Prophet
05-25-2007, 01:09 PM
For a turbo he'd probably want to keep the stock gears.

mikes87lude
05-25-2007, 02:23 PM
For a turbo he'd probably want to keep the stock gears.

I like the stock gears, except for fifth, they are close enough in ratio for me. Anything closer and I'd be doing 20 Mph shifting out of 3rd. (joke) Fifth I want to be more of an overdrive than it currently is. When you shift to 5th it seems as though there should be 1 more gear.

Mmmmm Ssiiixxx Sssppeeeedd
Wish it was possable, I start to drool everytime I think about it.

Sorry.
Anyway. yeah. Better fith gear ratio, gotta have it.

MessyHonda
05-25-2007, 11:36 PM
I like the stock gears, except for fifth, they are close enough in ratio for me. Anything closer and I'd be doing 20 Mph shifting out of 3rd. (joke) Fifth I want to be more of an overdrive than it currently is. When you shift to 5th it seems as though there should be 1 more gear.
Mmmmm Ssiiixxx Sssppeeeedd
Wish it was possable, I start to drool everytime I think about it.
Sorry.
Anyway. yeah. Better fith gear ratio, gotta have it.



lude gears are a bit shorter. if you want to spool up that turbo you might have to get a accord tranny.

AccordEpicenter
05-26-2007, 05:33 AM
yeah i wouldnt go any shorter than a lude tranny. That has shorter 3rd 4th and 5th. I personally have a carbed tranny (longest gears of all). Thumbs up to this thread!! finally a noob that knows somthing

2drSE-i
05-26-2007, 06:00 AM
im surprised with how much i actually knew and coul help him with. it sounds to me like he wants a longer 5th gear, so id say go carbed accord 5th gear.

mikes87lude
05-26-2007, 03:08 PM
...Thumbs up to this thread!! finally a noob that knows somthing...


....it sounds to me like he wants a longer 5th gear, so id say go carbed accord 5th gear.....

Thanks for the props, and the advice. Would an '87 carberated Accord 5th gear, in your opinion, be along the lines of what I'm looking for? I like to do what a lot of "Noobs" don't, that is RESEARCH. Also, this isnt the first car I've built. I've been a mechanic for 12 years. In the past it's been mostly V8s.

2drSE-i
05-27-2007, 01:38 AM
well the carbed gears are spaced further, and you said you wanted a longer 5th gear for the highway, so that should be the perfect match.

mikes87lude
05-27-2007, 05:54 AM
Good. Research complete, I'll wait until I pull the motor for rebuild and do the tranny at the same time. May as well get the parts now though. Thanks again for the link Prophet.
Mike

2drSE-i
05-27-2007, 09:41 AM
hahaha research complete my ass...youve got a long way to go, you just dont know it yet lol

mikes87lude
05-27-2007, 10:05 AM
hahaha research complete my ass...youve got a long way to go, you just dont know it yet lol

Well the 5th gear part of my research is complete. I'm always looking for better ways to do somthing.
Example: Just finished reading a thread where dude used a '86 tempo dizzy on his A20. I've been looking for ignition timing control that didn't involve using a BTM. MS can do ignition timing, I just don't have a dizzy that will allow it. Now I have a new direction to research on my ignition issues.

AccordEpicenter
05-27-2007, 03:49 PM
afaik, carbed and fi trannies are the same gears EXCEPT the final drive is longer in teh carbed tranny... I do know for a fact that a lude si tranny has shorter gears in 3rd 4th and 5th compared to fi and carbed accord trannies. If you want a longer 5th you should use a complete carbed accord tranny, which actually isnt soo bad because 1st and 2nd are a little longer than the fi tranny and lude tranny (i believe fi accord tranny and lude si tranny are the same 1st and 2nd gear and final drive possibly) and will help with traction. So a carbed tranny is probably your best bet if you want a longer 5th

2drSE-i
05-27-2007, 07:39 PM
shows what i know. I was just jackin with ya, didnt mean anything rude by it.

mikes87lude
05-28-2007, 11:18 AM
......If you want a longer 5th you should use a complete carbed accord tranny, which actually isnt soo bad because 1st and 2nd are a little longer than the fi tranny and lude tranny (i believe fi accord tranny and lude si tranny are the same 1st and 2nd gear and final drive possibly) and will help with traction. So a carbed tranny is probably your best bet if you want a longer 5th

The lude does spin the tire (right one only) all the way through first, and the first couple hundres RPM of second. So take off is also an issue. I've been searching for a Phantom Grip, or something similar, to resolve this problem. I'll look around and see what I can get a carbed tranny for. If I don't like first and second I can always put the lude gears back, and just use the accord fifth. Thanks.

MessyHonda
05-28-2007, 11:24 AM
yeah the carb trannies have the longest gears. good for high reeving and keeping the boost up between shits.

mikes87lude
05-29-2007, 06:42 PM
I found a carb tranny for $250, but I think I'll keep looking. I probably can find one cheaper. What about clutch and flywheel, are they the same, or will I need to buy a different flywheel, clutch, and pressure plate to go with the carb tranny?

2drSE-i
05-29-2007, 08:23 PM
it should work. just hit up a junkyard. Youll have to do alot of work yourself, but even if you get it rebuilt you should save some money.