not starting up .. major problem!

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so i get back from vaction and decide to put on my new vaccum advance nto my dizzy. I do and everything is peicing together wayyy to well. the retainer clip that holds it on i cant find and i have a feeling it might be inside hte dizzy , i ripped the thing apart and cant find it. i put it all toghther and start her , and she sounds like shes trying to start .. theres some puttering , but it dosent turn over and sometimes just clicks... ohh ya for some reason there was some blue dst on my ignition wire ends that stick into the dizzy cap. when starting hte car it lights up the oil thing and the batt. thing on hte dashboard ....


IM VERY LOST ... and my parents are uber mad at me!

please help

[LX-incredible]

If the wire ends are corroded, the wires and cap should be replaced.


If you have the tec this is what it should look like at TDC:
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You should have movement in both directions. On some remanufactured cardone dizzys there isn't enough travel to get to 15 degrees BTDC. You may have to remove the E-clip and turn the vacuum advance rod to gain more travel. It also helps to have someone else cranking the car while you slowly rotate the distributor.

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so cleaning the cap real good isnt good enough ... what else is going on with the car

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bumpage

[russiankid]

You say it doesn't turn over? Try tapping on the starter and make sure all the wires are connected. That is what i read when you cant start it, it just clicks.

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it tries to start then does some then clicks

[LX-incredible]

Did you run the battery down when trying to start? It will click rapidly when the battery is low.

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i have a feeling i might have .. tommorrow my dad and i are gonna hookup his battery charger thingymajobby to the battery and try it .... please say ma car is gonna be ok

[88Accord-DX]

If it's just clicks, that is the starter solenoid not having enough juice.

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gahh ... it tries to start ... it really does , then crapps out

[russiankid]

gahh ... it tries to start ... it really does , then crapps out
Yea check the battery before tearing anything apart.

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ok so the general thought is that i didnt skrew anything up that its the battery ..

[russiankid]

ok so the general thought is that i didnt skrew anything up that its the battery ..
That is what i am thinking.

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pre- breakfast bump!

[shepherd79]

did you put wires back in right order?

[2oodoor]

sounds like you would not be wasting money putting a battery in either way

don't be upset, this kind of thing happens to even seasoned mechanics from time to time.
Check everything in the area you may have contacted, to see if something came unplugged. Check coil wire from the dist to coil on both ends for corrosion or breakage.
make sure you didnt break or pinch a small wire inside under the dist cap, this is easy to do since the heat can make things brittle on these old cars.

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ivve gone thru everything a million times .. i used the chiltons repair manual ...


my dad and i are gonna test the battery tonight ..


and shepard ... ive been to hagerstown ... it was the sketchyist place i swear ive ever been


but thanks for the help

[2oodoor]

what does sketchyist mean?

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like i never wanna have to go back to hagerstown ever ever again ..

and hte wires went back in the right order

[LX-incredible]

and hte wires went back in the right order
Just like your letters?

[Tomisimo]

Yup... its batery alright... spetualy in the heat, batery drains realy fast...

[AccordEpicenter]

make sure you connected all of the dizzy wires and they are in all the way, then check your wires, make sure they are in the correct order

[2oodoor]

Just like your letters?
:kekeke: touche
cliche:three out of four aint bad,,,

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ok wires are in the right order ... and its not the battery ...we tried the that ...

so now i start ripping shit apart .. or should i call for backup

[LX-incredible]

ok wires are in the right order ... and its not the battery ...we tried the that ...
so now i start ripping shit apart .. or should i call for backup
Tried what, charging the battery? How long did you charge for? When the engine is at TDC, everything should line up just like that in the picture I posted. When a new vacuum advance is installed, its shaft needs to be rotated so that the pickup plate and reluctor are lined up. THEY DO NOT COME PRESET.

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well i got it used from mushroom toy .. aka luke

[LX-incredible]

The reluctor teeth and the pickup plate still need to line up at TDC ("T" mark on our flywheels). If they don't line up, it won't be anywhere close to in time, and you will have problems starting. To get to TDC, rotate the crank pulley counterclockwise until the pointer is on "T". Check that the rotor shaft is positioned EXACTLY like in the picture, if it isn't, rotate the crank CCW once more, and lineup the pointer with "T". The teeth and plate should now line up, if they don't, rotate the vacuum advance rod in or out until they do.

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The reluctor teeth and the pickup plate still need to line up at TDC ("T" mark on our flywheels). If they don't line up, it won't be anywhere close to in time, and you will have problems starting. To get to TDC, rotate the crank pulley counterclockwise until the pointer is on "T". Check that the rotor shaft is positioned EXACTLY like in the picture, if it isn't, rotate the crank CCW once more, and lineup the pointer with "T". The teeth and plate should now line up, if they don't, rotate the vacuum advance rod in or out until they do.


sounds good ..

umm so i ripped the entire thing apart and found that the old retaining clip for the vaccum advance was attached to the goldenish metal plate inside hte dizzy... i hooked all my junk back up and tried to start it


it sounds closer to starting and the clicking is gone when the bettery charger is on it , but now it makes a popping noise ... to me i think the timing is off , cause last time the timing was off it made a popping noise

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pre dinner bump

[LX-incredible]

Is everything aligned properly at TDC? Rotating the vacuum advance is the only way that you could have changed timing without removing the distributor. The mechanical advance may have grenaded, causing timing to be off. Did you find any metal shavings or rust powder inside? How far did you disassemble it when looking for the E-clip? Are you getting spark to all 4 cylinders? Does the exhaust smell like you are getting fuel? Answer all of these so we can start narrowing it down.

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umm so far no exhaust .. its not starting! , umm i disassembeled it all the way down to the copperish plate inside the distributer , i have no idea if theres spark , i doubt the vaccum advance is rotated

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yes i do smell gas

[LX-incredible]

To check for spark remove one wire from its plug and insert a metal object. Grab the wire by the boot and hold the metal object about 1/8" or so from a ground. When the engine is cranked there should be a spark. Repeat for each cylinder. By the copper plate, do you mean the one that the vacuum advance rod attaches to? Believe me it is VERY easy to screw up the timing by rotating that rod when installing that advance. Before you do anything else, set the engine at TDC #1 and make sure that everything lines up like in the picture. I will not offer any other suggestions until you check that.

[88Accord-DX]

I use them adjustable gap spark plug testers. Lets you know if the coil is putting out what it should be putting out. Other than that, if you checking spark, just pull the plug out, put it in the boot & hold it around the boot while you touch the bottom of the plug to ground. Look for spark while someone is cranking the engine over.

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it looks exactly like it does in the picture

[LX-incredible]

Cool, do you have spark to all cylinders?

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ok so with inpecting of the distriuter we found that the bearing were shot to hell .. so my buddy and i went to chester feild auto parts ( local junker) and got anew distributer for 25! OFF OF AN SEi! and next to it i found A K&N air filter that i got for 2 bux!


not bad for a days work ...

ohh ya the car runs great now!

[MessyHonda]

ok so with inpecting of the distriuter we found that the bearing were shot to hell .. so my buddy and i went to chester feild auto parts ( local junker) and got anew distributer for 25! OFF OF AN SEi! and next to it i found A K&N air filter that i got for 2 bux!
not bad for a days work ...
ohh ya the car runs great now!


nice find

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mmmmm K&N!!!! for 2 bux!