California State Referee Inspection 7.19.2007

[maxoutracer]

some of ya might know back last month i was pull over for bs...
aka street racer, lol...
entering the freeway at 45mph, the police said i was trying to race the other cars...
how is that even possible when there no one to challege :?
pop the hood, inspected my car... gave me ticket cause i didn't have a carb sticker on the ss 4-1 header :?
cost factor:
$158 brand new cat w/flange
$26 o2 sensor
$30 state referee inspection
$8 state referee certificate
court date on tuesday, dunno if it's $10 fix or stupid fine.
thanks to california for wasting my time and tax money...
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[maxoutracer]

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[2oodoor]

Im glad you posted the pics , I never saw a Honda Integra before.
The decals on the windsheild would be illegal here, except on the visor strip.

[snoopyloopy]

lmao at the officer writing it up as a honda integra. does it say that on registration too? and yeah, stupid cops. racing on an onramp (especially if it's one-lane)? :dunno:

[Cheeseburger]

ouch! i have to get my exhaust checked for "loud"ness too haha stupid fixit tickets

[Blkblurr]

In most countries over seas the Acura badge does not exist. They are Hondas. I'm glad they got rid of that testing in Ohio. It was determined to be impossible to administer correctly. Too easy to cheat on it. In the 5 years it was in force, the average air quality did not get better.

[mushroom_toy]

Im glad you posted the pics , I never saw a Honda Integra before.
The decals on the windsheild would be illegal here, except on the visor strip.
Really? I've been in Ga my entire life and didn't know lol. In gainesville at least no one gets pulled over unless a vinyl or sticker is blocking view of the driver or rear windshield.

[evil88accordLX]

isnt the whole point of an on ramp to be able to get your car up to speed so you can safely merge into traffic? if you merge here doing 45 you are more than likely gonna get run over by some big ass lifted truck with huge 45" mudders.

[Legend_master]

Honestly if you live in Texas you could get that ticket dropped. All you have to do is prove that the car is not a Honda and the judge would have to drop the ticket. It doesnt matter if you changed the badges or not the officer is suppose to ask you.

[2ndGenGuy]

Solution to visual inspection: Factory heat shield over header. :D

And did they check your horsepower while you were on that dyno? :lol:

[frantik]

wait.. i thought the officer let you go w/o a ticket :dunno: i guess not

[snoopyloopy]

wait.. i thought the officer let you go w/o a ticket :dunno: i guess not
he did escape a ticket since he didn't get a ticket (or worse!) for "street racing" on the onramp.

[frantik]

i guess this was a different time?


police: what should i do not sending you to the state ref?

me: i got work at 5:30pm and it's 5:10pm...

police: just get out of here! :twisted:

so before he let me go, i ask if i can take a picture with you so i can post it on myspace, he doesn't wtf is it, haha...

this one super koo police officer! 8)

NO TICKET!!! HE JUST LET ME OFF THE HOOK!

EVEN THO I HAVE AFTERMARKET HEADER AND EXHAUST, HEHE...

OH YEAH, IM JUST MESSING AROUND WITH YA WITH THE STATE REF.. HEHE..

http://www.3geez.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60044&highlight=pull+over

if so you must get pulled over a lot :(

[blh1983]

That's complete BS. You should fight it. First of all that officer had no reasonable cause to pull you over if you were accelerating to meet the flow of traffic. According to that ticket he didn't tag you for speeding. Since you weren't speeding he had no reasonable cause to pull you over. The icing that adds to this cake is he took it a step further and inspected your vehicle just for the hell of it. You should call a lawyer and see if that officer was following the law or if he overstepped his authority. If he was in the wrong, sue that department. And second of all, In some states a single mistake on the ticket would be a case dismissed. Fight it stating you don't have a Honda Integra, they don't even have those in the states do they? If there is one it was imported and your car wasn't was it? Still sucks. That other member was right. You are supposed to get up to speed on the onramp so that you don't cut off the flow of traffic. To not speed up on the onramp is dangerous to the other drivers. If I'm doing 65 MPH and you merge into my lane at 45 MPH and I have to hit my brakes then I have to rely on the guy behind me to do the same; I'd be pissed. When you add more and more cars to the mix there bound to be failure somewhere down the line.

Here's what I do. I watch the police on the roads. If they do something wrong I write down there license plate and post my complaint on http://platewire.com. Yeah I could call dispatch and complain, but what good will that do. There needs to be legislation passed that makes the first traffic offense either a warning or a fixit ticket; rather than giving the officer a choice. Police are biased and out of control picking and choosing who they will just warn or write up depending on what time of the month it is for them. I have little respect for police on traffic duty. They aren't doing it to keep us safe. And they sure as F*k aren't doing it to fix the F*ing potholes. I hope you choose to fight back! Good luck!

[2ndGenGuy]

That's complete BS. You should fight it. First of all that officer had no reasonable cause to pull you over if you were accelerating to meet the flow of traffic. According to that ticket he didn't tag you for speeding. Since you weren't speeding he had no reasonable cause to pull you over. The icing that adds to this cake is he took it a step further and inspected your vehicle just for the hell of it. You should call a lawyer and see if that officer was following the law or if he overstepped his authority. If he was in the wrong, sue that department. And second of all, In some states a single mistake on the ticket would be a case dismissed. Fight it stating you don't have a Honda Integra, they don't even have those in the states do they? If there is one it was imported and your car wasn't was it? Still sucks. That other member was right. You are supposed to get up to speed on the onramp so that you don't cut off the flow of traffic. To not speed up on the onramp is dangerous to the other drivers. If I'm doing 65 MPH and you merge into my lane at 45 MPH and I have to hit my brakes then I have to rely on the guy behind me to do the same; I'd be pissed. When you add more and more cars to the mix there bound to be failure somewhere down the line.
Here's what I do. I watch the police on the roads. If they do something wrong I write down there license plate and post my complaint on http://platewire.com. Yeah I could call dispatch and complain, but what good will that do. There needs to be legislation passed that makes the first traffic offense either a warning or a fixit ticket; rather than giving the officer a choice. Police are biased and out of control picking and choosing who they will just warn or write up depending on what time of the month it is for them. I have little respect for police on traffic duty. They aren't doing it to keep us safe. And they sure as F*k aren't doing it to fix the F*ing potholes. I hope you choose to fight back! Good luck!


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[frantik]

According to that ticket he didn't tag you for speeding. Since you weren't speeding he had no reasonable cause to pull you over.
An officer can pull you over for something and then not cite you for it.. and apparently is wasn't for speeding but for "racing". I'm sure what really happened is that he got profiled, and as long as it's not racial profiling, it's legal. The panda definitely looks like it's got some mods under the hood, and suprise suprise it does. Cop sees this and pulls out one of his many BS excuses to light you up and blam next thing you know he's checking your engine bay


You should call a lawyer and see if that officer was following the law or if he overstepped his authority
ok well 1st of all even talking to a lawyer will cost more than the cost of making the car stock again... and 2nd of all it's his word against the cops. it sucks but you gotta pick your battles.. a fix-it ticket, even an expensive one, isn't really worth fighting.. hell you know when you put on the illegal mods that you're running the risk of getting a ticket. it's just another cost of modding your car :dunno:

[blh1983]

Speeding and racing. I chose the wrong word sorry for the confusion. None the less he pulled him over for one reason didn't cite him for it; decided to inspect the car to see if there was something else he could write him up for. That is BS. And if it's not illegal it should be. Police officers need to be regulated and they aren't. They pick and choose who they write up based on how they are feeling. There is no consistency, and I am bitter torwards police for good reason. I have directly witnessed them not following the laws they enforce. When my car was broken (glass broken and all) they would only take a report over the phone. My fiance was only verbally warned for going 76 in a 55. And ironically I did the exact same speed in a 55 and I got a ticket; both of us had clean records. So yes I have very little respect for law enforcement on traffic duty. But this thread isn't mine it belongs to maxoutracer so if you wanna defend a broken down system you can PM me directly; with all do respect.

Oh and there are lawyers out there that will work for a cut of the money they win from a lawsuit if they think that the case is open and shut.

An officer can pull you over for something and then not cite you for it.. and apparently is wasn't for speeding but for "racing"



ok well 1st of all even talking to a lawyer will cost more than the cost of making the car stock again... and 2nd of all it's his word against the cops

it sucks but you gotta pick your battles.. a fix-it ticket, even an expensive one, isn't really worth fighting.. hell you know when you put on the illegal mods that you're running the risk of getting a ticket. it's just another cost of modding your car

[snoopyloopy]

what i do want to know is how the engine compartment factors in in a police stop. i know police can only search whatever is in "plain view." aka you don't have to pop the trunk unless they have a warrant or your back seat is down. but the engine compartment, is it under the same rules? aka they have to have a warrant to search it?

[russiankid]

what i do want to know is how the engine compartment factors in in a police stop. i know police can only search whatever is in "plain view." aka you don't have to pop the trunk unless they have a warrant or your back seat is down. but the engine compartment, is it under the same rules? aka they have to have a warrant to search it?
Plus a header doesn't add so much power that you will go race...

[blh1983]

I thought the law worked like this: They can ask to search your trunk. And if you say yes they don't need a warrant. But if you say no, then they have reasonable cause to get a warrant because you are implying that you have something to hide. Either way if they ask to search it's gonna happen whether you want it to or not. The engine compartment is probably not covered by this rule only because it's not used for storage. But then again it might be.
what i do want to know is how the engine compartment factors in in a police stop. i know police can only search whatever is in "plain view." aka you don't have to pop the trunk unless they have a warrant or your back seat is down. but the engine compartment, is it under the same rules? aka they have to have a warrant to search it?

[snoopyloopy]

Plus a header doesn't add so much power that you will go race...
but beyond that, they won't know you have a header unless you pop the hood (or you just run without one). my question is can you refuse to pop the hood if they don't have a warrant like you can refuse to pop the trunk if they don't have a warrant?

[blh1983]

This might need to be moved to a thread of it's own, hopefully they don't delete this 'cause these are good questions. As I said before the system is broken so that crooked biased cops can do whatever they want. He could have refused to open his hood. But if he had refused he probably would have gotten a ticket for racing, and they would have made him wait until they got a warrant tying up his time and resulting in a ticket for all of it in the end.
but beyond that, they won't know you have a header unless you pop the hood (or you just run without one). my question is can you refuse to pop the hood if they don't have a warrant like you can refuse to pop the trunk if they don't have a warrant?

[frantik]

I am bitter torwards police for good reason. I have directly witnessed them not following the laws they enforce.

everybody's a hypocrite.. yeah cops should hold themselves to a higher standard but the fact is they don't. :sad2:

and actually i was thinking, the stop would be illegal if he pulled you over for one thing and then doesn't pursue it and only focuses on other things. but he pulled him over for 'racing', and i gotta believe it's not hard to convince a judge or jury that looking under the hood is related to racing.

i'm not trying to defend the cop if he just saw a nice but obviously modded car and was like hmm easy pickings. I'm not saying it doesn't suck ass either, i'm just trying to say it's not worth even thinking about a lawyer for. :dunno:

Sorry to hear bout it though Jesse :thumbdn:

[frantik]

But if you say no, then they have reasonable cause to get a warrant because you are implying that you have something to hide.
no, refusing a search is not grounds for a search. but trust me, cops are VERY good at getting you to consent to a search. I've had my hands cuffed behind my back with a cop yelling in my face because i didnt let him search.. Eventually I gave in, though it was worth it to see the look on the cops face when the 'crack pipe' i had turned out to be a flashlight on my keychain :Owned: the reason i was stopped: riding my bike on the sidewalk.

[blh1983]

I agree with you to a point. He pulled him over for racing, and asked to look under the hood. Had he cited him for racing it would have been within his authority to look over the engine. But it doesn't state that he pulled him over for racing on the ticket. So based on that, what grounds does he have to search the engine compartment? I think if he fights this ticket himself that the case will be dismissed. Yes it's the cop word against his but because the cop didn't document racing there is no case to support the officer. Innocent until proven guilty. The officer will lose!
everybody's a hypocrite.. yeah cops should hold themselves to a higher standard but the fact is they don't. :sad2:

and actually i was thinking, the stop would be illegal if he pulled you over for one thing and then doesn't pursue it and only focuses on other things. but he pulled him over for 'racing', and i gotta believe it's not hard to convince a judge or jury that looking under the hood is related to racing.

i'm not trying to defend the cop if he just saw a nice but obviously modded car and was like hmm easy pickings. I'm not saying it doesn't suck ass either, i'm just trying to say it's not worth even thinking about a lawyer for. :dunno:

Sorry to hear bout it though Jesse :thumbdn:

[frantik]

Had he cited him for racing it would have been within his authority to look over the engine. But it doesn't state that he pulled him over for racing on the ticket. So based on that, what grounds does he have to search the engine compartment?

Like i said, the cop doesn't have to cite you for the reason he pulled you over. If it somehow went to court, all the cop has to do is say I pulled him over for such and such reason. Usually cops will make notes for each stop too so he might have a record of it as well.

[blh1983]

Still he was going 45MPH on an onramp; that's hardly racing. And an honerable judge will know that. And if the officer doesn't have to cite you for the reason he pulled you over and can cite you for a different reason, then our laws are failing us. There should have at least been a documented warning issued to support the justification (justice is hidden within that word) of citing him for an emissions violation. And what the cop says (unless it's documented) is his word against the defendant. The defendant is innocent until proven guilty. The officer had no right to search the engine compartment if he didn't document the original reason for pulling over maxoutracer. Say what you want, what's right and wrong is what matters in the end whether he wins or loses. I for one believe that both were in the wrong. Maxoutracer should have had the carb sticker for his header, and that officer should have at least issued a warning for the racing to justify his claim to write him up for an emissions violation. I think if he fights the ticket he has a good chance of winning. Primarily because the VIN won't match the make. Since he wasn't racing Honda Integra, the ticket for emission is invalid.
Like i said, the cop doesn't have to cite you for the reason he pulled you over. If it somehow went to court, all the cop has to do is say I pulled him over for such and such reason. Usually cops will make notes for each stop too so he might have a record of it as well.

[snoopyloopy]

no, refusing a search is not grounds for a search. but trust me, cops are VERY good at getting you to consent to a search. I've had my hands cuffed behind my back with a cop yelling in my face because i didnt let him search.. Eventually I gave in, though it was worth it to see the look on the cops face when the 'crack pipe' i had turned out to be a flashlight on my keychain :Owned: the reason i was stopped: riding my bike on the sidewalk.
you should sue. seriously.

[frantik]

yeah i should have at least made a complaint or something but I was pretty shaken up by the time they let me go so i didn't think to get their badge #s or anything

[MessyHonda]

yeah i should have at least made a complaint or something but I was pretty shaken up by the time they let me go so i didn't think to get their badge #s or anything



yeah i hate that....you think after not during....i remember i was shaking and my mom was with me..lol damn cop.

[xvok]

LOL that sucks at least you got it taken care of for not to much $ i hope. The fact of the matter is that police can pull you over for any reason the most common bs line is rutine trafic stop. once they pull you over they can cite you for secconday offinces illegal mods, noise, poor restringht (sp) systems. if any of you get a speeding tickit allways set up a court date to contest it try to find you local laws and change the date at the last muite and usaly the cop has requested time off to testify and cant change to the new date. no wittness agenst you your off the hook this will work like 75% of the time trust me ive been pulled over 17times for speeding and still have a clean driving record but ya no emissions here :)

[blh1983]

Can you change the date, in every state? LOL that rhymes. But I didn't know you could change your court date. I think I might just put Acura & Integra emblems on my car. I'd more than likely get out of it, especially since in my area they'll put a badge on anybody with a GED. By the way I am a GED grad. And I don't have anything against GED grads, just grads with badges.
LOL that sucks at least you got it taken care of for not to much $ i hope. The fact of the matter is that police can pull you over for any reason the most common bs line is rutine trafic stop. once they pull you over they can cite you for secconday offinces illegal mods, noise, poor restringht (sp) systems. if any of you get a speeding tickit allways set up a court date to contest it try to find you local laws and change the date at the last muite and usaly the cop has requested time off to testify and cant change to the new date. no wittness agenst you your off the hook this will work like 75% of the time trust me ive been pulled over 17times for speeding and still have a clean driving record but ya no emissions here :)

[Acid X]

Okay so wait a minute here, you got your car reffed, and kept the SS header on without the carb number and they gave you the OK?

O_O

[xvok]

as far as i know ie friends from out of state did the same thing otherwise ya change your emblems and get off on a technacality fuck the system up:rant: